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post Mar 31 2009, 03:02 PM


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Hi,

Im using 7jj 16" league rim.But the thing is i dont know the offset.

Soon,im going to install either Tein with EDFC or Airsuspension offered by Bitrade.com
So the thing is,i just wanted to know any sifu for myvi,what the best size of offset for myvi if im using 16"rim so that my rim could go inside the fender just like the VIP style.

Thus,can myvi rear axle chamber can changed to adjustable chamber.So i could negative up the chamber just like front and low my ride as the Bippu style.
Please help.

Thanks a million.
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post Mar 31 2009, 03:24 PM


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adjust camber doesnt mean u can lower ur car even more... if u wanna go for Bippu style, get air suspension instead of TEIN coilovers...
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post Mar 31 2009, 07:10 PM


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oh k.so if for myvi ,the rear chamber if we changed to adjustable chamber would make like this ? I MEAN THE REAR ONLY

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VIP style myvi?? blink.gif fast blinking signal lights..
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post Mar 31 2009, 08:09 PM


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btw, do myvi rear torsion beam allows camber variations at the first place??...
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Mar 31 2009, 08:09 PM)
btw, do myvi rear torsion beam allows camber variations at the first place??...
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No can do. Fixed camber on the rear for Myvi.
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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Mar 31 2009, 09:50 PM)
No can do. Fixed camber on the rear for Myvi.
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means yes or no??.. sorry my england vr bad... blush.gif
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Mar 31 2009, 10:14 PM)
means yes or no??.. sorry my england vr bad... blush.gif
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Hahaha.. I guess the negative (No) with ability (can do) confused you a bit there.

Idiom Definitions for 'No can do'
No can do means that the speaker can't do whatever it is that has been asked of him or her.

Translated to Manglish.. Kenot do lah..
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QUOTE(makaveli @ Mar 31 2009, 07:10 PM)
oh k.so if for myvi ,the rear chamber if we changed to adjustable chamber would make like this ?  I MEAN THE REAR ONLY

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if TS myvi really mod like this, his tyres inner thread will worn out faster than outer thread..
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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Mar 31 2009, 10:21 PM)
Hahaha.. I guess the negative (No) with ability (can do) confused you a bit there.

Idiom Definitions for 'No can do'
No can do means that the speaker can't do whatever it is that has been asked of him or her.

Translated to Manglish.. Kenot do lah..
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oh kenot do ah... aiya... use simple manglish i pro... icon_idea.gif

den why TS bother to kasi offset kao kao the rims so he can lower the car??... of camber neutral, it will hit the rear arch...


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if TS myvi really mod like this, his tyres inner thread will worn out faster than outer thread..
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TS rich mar... use half can throw away d.... bippu style is all about stance, not handling or performance... so, jz get any cheapo second hand tyres which suit the rim size can d...

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post Apr 1 2009, 01:41 PM


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dude,hahaha

the first thing make me laugh seeing this board.
Boss,if im wrong ,see this image and TELL ME IM CORRECT.

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Do you notice the left myvi with the negative chamber ??
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post Apr 1 2009, 03:00 PM


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u know the owner of dat myvi??.. did he do any serious modifications to his myvi rear arm to gain such negative camber??..

no, i have no idea whether myvi rear suspension has fixed or variable camber....
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QUOTE(makaveli @ Apr 1 2009, 01:41 PM)
dude,hahaha

the first thing make me laugh seeing this board.
Boss,if im wrong ,see this image and TELL ME IM CORRECT.

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Do you notice the left myvi with the negative chamber ??
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That can be done with a welding torch, not camber screws. You cannot adjust with normal method. You'd have to 'operate' to get it done. Anyway, from that pic, it's hard to see. It looks like negative camber but without a straight shot, it's hard to tell.

Like we all said, you can't adjust the rear, not in a tyre shop anyway. So you can continue laughing but at yourself.
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post Apr 1 2009, 09:58 PM


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sleepwalker.

yeh,im still laughing dude..
Let see,"Anyway, from that pic, it's hard to see. It looks like negative camber but without a straight shot, it's hard to tell.

You mean this picture is not in straight shot ? Buppsss,that why the owner has made i good comparision between to ride.
The left is modded and the right is stock.
I can see from my rough blinded eyes boss.


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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Apr 1 2009, 03:00 PM)
u know the owner of dat myvi??.. did he do any serious modifications to his myvi rear arm to gain such negative camber??..

no, i have no idea whether myvi rear suspension has fixed or variable camber....
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franky speaking,i only know him by Pistol_star.Try to google for "Vip style Myvi"
He's myvi mooded(i guess) in there...

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QUOTE(makaveli @ Apr 1 2009, 09:58 PM)
sleepwalker.

yeh,im still laughing dude..
Let see,"Anyway, from that pic, it's hard to see. It looks like negative camber but without a straight shot, it's hard to tell.

You mean this picture is not in straight shot ? Buppsss,that why the owner has made i good comparision between to ride.
The left is modded and the right is stock.
I can see from my rough blinded eyes boss.


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franky speaking,i only know him by Pistol_star.Try to google for "Vip style Myvi"
He's myvi mooded(i guess) in there...
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I thought you were talking about some major negative camber. My stock OEM negative rear camber is just as much as that without the need to adjust, so that picture didn't really mean much. I thought I was suppose to be looking out for some bling bling camber in that picture. Anyway, since you think it can be done, please do go ahead. You don't need to ask anymore. Just like people do not ask whether Proton Wira's camber can be adjusted or not because it can be done with a simple adjustable camber screw.
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post Apr 2 2009, 04:07 AM


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i dun think myvi torsion beam rear suspension can adjust camber setting...

unless hardcore style using welding torch...

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Apr 2 2009, 04:07 AM)
i dun think myvi torsion beam rear suspension can adjust camber setting...

unless hardcore style using welding torch...

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Interesting pic. Why would anybody want to put a strut bar on a torsion beam? That beam is like 20 times bigger than the strut bar. Sigh... I should start collecting mods like this and make it into a book and call it "Adventures of the Misinformed modders".
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lol.. UR tends to created bars where ever there's hole which they can fit the bars or place they think can be fitted with 1 sweat.gif
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i think thats an antiroll bar.like on iswara the beam actually 2 parts can twist in different direction so it's somewhat semi-independant rear suspension.antiroll bar supposed to limit that twisting hence less roll.im not sure its the same for myvi.cant see clearly in that pic
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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Apr 2 2009, 08:57 AM)
Interesting pic. Why would anybody want to put a strut bar on a torsion beam? That beam is like 20 times bigger than the strut bar. Sigh... I should start collecting mods like this and make it into a book and call it "Adventures of the Misinformed modders".
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torsion beams are not a piece of solid shit that make your tyre straight all the way. Torsion beam do flex and your rear tyre do act differently left and right.

Y torsion beams can flex? it's to prevent breaking the torsion beam. It's like an antiroll bar that control your left and right tyre. Additional antiroll bar can be added to decrease the different on your left and right tyre.

Most old school car have a very stiff torsion beam, but not on newer car. Do you know iswara/waga got ori antiroll bar built in?
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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Apr 2 2009, 09:57 AM)
Interesting pic. Why would anybody want to put a strut bar on a torsion beam? That beam is like 20 times bigger than the strut bar. Sigh... I should start collecting mods like this and make it into a book and call it "Adventures of the Misinformed modders".
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good idea,as i dunno y they make those bar for torsion beam for myvi,saga,honda city n toyota vios n claim cr more stabil which i couldn't feel it~ sweat.gif
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QUOTE(icyd @ Apr 2 2009, 11:48 AM)
i think thats an antiroll bar.like on iswara the beam actually 2 parts can twist in different direction so it's somewhat semi-independant rear suspension.antiroll bar supposed to limit that twisting hence less roll.im not sure its the same for myvi.cant see clearly in that pic
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you were correct. by using independant rear suspension, a torsion beam is somehow act like antiroll bar. Just that manufacture use bigger structure for it to improve the durability so that the torsion beam can last for many years without breaking itself while on uneven road. An antiroll bar is added on oem iswara/saga behind the torsion beam so usually people wont notice it. So to whose that say torsion beam no need antiroll bar, pls think twice. I still remember somebody do try to argue with me in my UR thread...But it's ok for discussions..
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camber press can be done on the torsion beam
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QUOTE(detomaso @ Apr 2 2009, 01:23 PM)
camber press can be done on the torsion beam
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another thing,is it legal?that considered kereta potong or not?
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QUOTE(howiechoo @ Apr 2 2009, 12:18 PM)
torsion beams are not a piece of solid shit that make your tyre straight all the way. Torsion beam do flex and your rear tyre do act differently left and right.

Y torsion beams can flex? it's to prevent breaking the torsion beam. It's like an antiroll bar that control your left and right tyre. Additional antiroll bar can be added to decrease the different on your left and right tyre.

Most old school car have a very stiff torsion beam, but not on newer car. Do you know iswara/waga got ori antiroll bar built in?
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yes...

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notice the additional bar attached horizontally to the main axle??...

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camber press can be done on the torsion beam
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any idea how??..

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another thing,is it legal?that considered kereta potong or not?
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if serious modification involving altering ur current suspension design, yes it is illegal... u'll need to get approval from puspakom... heck, even converting rear drum brakes to disc brake also need jpj clarifications...
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hey catacomb,u alway got pic to show relevant to any issue.u always go to chopshop to snap pic ke?
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GUYS

Its OTT... Did you view my topic ?
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QUOTE(icyd @ Apr 2 2009, 01:26 PM)
hey catacomb,u alway got pic to show relevant to any issue.u always go to chopshop to snap pic ke?
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nola... unker google helped me alot... smile.gif

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Its OTT... Did you view my topic ?
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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Apr 2 2009, 12:22 AM)
I thought you were talking about some major negative camber. My stock OEM negative rear camber is just as much as that without the need to adjust, so that picture didn't really mean much. I thought I was suppose to be looking out for some bling bling camber in that picture. Anyway, since you think it can be done, please do go ahead. You don't need to ask anymore. Just like people do not ask whether Proton Wira's camber can be adjusted or not because it can be done with a simple adjustable camber screw.
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Its OTT... Did you view my topic ?
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Your question has already been answered.Most ppl say torsion beam cant adjust camber without heavy modification unlike independant strut which has camber screws. If you think we're joking or blind, pls go ahead to your nearest bolehland workshop and get it done.

(That is if you think its worth it to spend money on the modification and unevenly wearing out your tyres just to look cool)
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i think i got this thing done ...

front changed all to adjustable chamber nut 4 peice.
Rear have to do modification to the Axle.hmm
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QUOTE(makaveli @ Apr 16 2009, 09:27 PM)
i think i got this thing done ...

front changed all to adjustable chamber nut 4 peice.
Rear have to do modification to the Axle.hmm
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care to share some pics after ur modifications??..
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QUOTE(makaveli @ Apr 16 2009, 10:27 PM)
i think i got this thing done ...

front changed all to adjustable chamber nut 4 peice.
Rear have to do modification to the Axle.hmm
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y do u need 4 wen u jus need 2? ? doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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If i setup rear as negative like this, i think i have to replace the rear tyre every 10k km sweat.gif sweat.gif


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If i setup rear as negative like this, i think i have to replace the rear tyre every 10k km, inner tread worn faster sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(cheeann @ Apr 17 2009, 12:18 AM)
y do u need 4 wen u jus need 2? ?    doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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he wanna make the rear tyres kangkang as well mar... doh.gif
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Is this modification mainly for looks?? hmm.gif Or mYVi oversteer is so bad..?
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Apr 17 2009, 01:01 PM)
he wanna make the rear tyres kangkang as well mar... doh.gif
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his rear kangkang? ?
if i'm not mistaken he stated his front wanna sumbat 4pcs of camber wor
n not mistaken also he's driving a myvi so how 2 put camber nut? ?
y do u like 2 try flame me so much wen u dun read his post properly cuz i put u on table b4? ?
or u jus period issit?? ? shakehead.gif shakehead.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(cheeann @ Apr 17 2009, 01:08 PM)
his rear kangkang? ?
if i'm not mistaken he stated his front wanna sumbat 4pcs of camber wor
n not mistaken also he's driving a myvi so how 2 put camber nut? ?
y do u like 2 try flame me so much wen u dun read his post properly cuz i put u on table b4? ?
or u jus period issit??  ?  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  whistling.gif
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ya i saja wanna shoot u... next time read earlier post mar... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Apr 17 2009, 02:50 PM)
ya i saja wanna shoot u... next time read earlier post mar... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(cheeann @ Apr 17 2009, 12:18 AM)
y do u need 4 wen u jus need 2? ?    doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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per side myvi has 2 chamber nut.I change the both 2...


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care to share some pics after ur modifications??..
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yes bro.will update you all.. flex.gif

QUOTE(ralf @ Apr 17 2009, 12:54 PM)
Is this modification mainly for looks??  hmm.gif Or mYVi oversteer is so bad..?
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its for look. blush.gif

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QUOTE(makaveli @ Apr 17 2009, 05:13 PM)
per side myvi has 2 chamber nut.I change the both 2...


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its for look. blush.gif
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u jus need 1 on 1 side~
changing both side n will make those tire shop pl laugh at u wen u do tat cuz normally then only change d top camber nut only~
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QUOTE(makaveli @ Apr 17 2009, 04:13 PM)
per side myvi has 2 chamber nut.I change the both 2...
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doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

there's 2 bolt at the bottom of ur absorber strut which holds ur wheel knuckle... u only need either one as a camber bolt to adjust the camber angle... u dont need 2... doh.gif

QUOTE(cheeann @ Apr 17 2009, 05:22 PM)
u jus need 1 on 1 side~
changing both side n will make those tire shop pl laugh at u wen u do tat cuz normally then only change d top camber nut only~
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QUOTE(cheeann @ Apr 17 2009, 05:22 PM)
u jus need 1 on 1 side~
changing both side n will make those tire shop pl laugh at u wen u do tat cuz normally then only change d top camber nut only~
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cheeann...maybe ts dunno ur shop...& dunno what u doing as well~~~ sweat.gif sweat.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(howiechoo @ Apr 2 2009, 12:18 PM)
torsion beams are not a piece of solid shit that make your tyre straight all the way. Torsion beam do flex and your rear tyre do act differently left and right.

Y torsion beams can flex? it's to prevent breaking the torsion beam. It's like an antiroll bar that control your left and right tyre. Additional antiroll bar can be added to decrease the different on your left and right tyre.

Most old school car have a very stiff torsion beam, but not on newer car. Do you know iswara/waga got ori antiroll bar built in?
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Yeap, i can't agree more, last time I also thought the torsion beam is solid and won't flex easily, I was wrong, the torsion beam is actually very flexible, don't believe me? wait until you guys remove rear wheels , shocks and springs, ask your friend to hold the trailing arm on one side and you try to move the arm on the other side, it is very easy to flex. remember, torsion beam is actually not a cylinder tube, it is half cylinder or 'C' shape, that's why it's easily to flex.
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post May 23 2009, 10:04 AM


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thanks for your comment guys.Appreciate it.
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