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Predatorazor84
post Mar 31 2009, 11:53 AM


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Hi all,

When driving non-stop (usually on highway), the Kancil's temperature is about 1/3 or 1/4.

However, when it stops or slows down at traffic lights or at heavy traffic roads, the temperature goes up to half.

If stuck in prolong traffic jams, goes up to almost 2/3). When the fan kicks to cool down the engine, the temp increase more just b4 Hot zone, but after few minutes it cool to 1/3 back. The cycle continue untill i drive on higway or non busy road.

Checked with the workshop - Alredy service the radiator and check the fan aka thermostat. Seems ok. In workshop, The temp not even reach half b4 the fan works. But the problem not fixed.

The worse part is while using front lights, aircond and continous braking in jams(WTF!!!) the temperature slightly increase. Esp using all of them sometime at night prolong jam the temp rise up more than regular day 'problem'.

I'm not using coolant coz the mechanic said coolant is just reservour or backup and not really necessary and i think it's not coolant problem since it's related with lights and brakes. What possibly cause it?

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any drop in water level?
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post Mar 31 2009, 01:25 PM


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any drop in water level?
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nop.... smile.gif

The water seems not need top up since i bought it. I tot it's sumbat at 1st time but ady service and got free paint from mechanic. laugh.gif Looks like new and no need top up as well.

But the problem still not solve. sad.gif

OVERHEATING!!

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QUOTE(Predatorazor84 @ Mar 31 2009, 11:53 AM)
Hi all,

When driving non-stop (usually on highway), the Kancil's temperature is about 1/3 or 1/4.

However, when it stops or slows down at traffic lights or at heavy traffic roads, the temperature goes up to half.

If stuck in prolong traffic jams, goes up to almost 2/3). When the fan kicks to cool down the engine, the temp increase more just b4 Hot zone, but after few minutes it cool to 1/3 back. The cycle continue untill i drive on higway or non busy road.

Checked with the workshop - Alredy service the radiator and check the fan aka thermostat. Seems ok. In workshop, The temp not even reach half b4 the fan works. But the problem not fixed.

The worse part is while using front lights, aircond and continous braking in jams(WTF!!!) the temperature slightly increase. Esp using all of them sometime at night prolong jam the temp rise up more than regular day 'problem'.

I'm not using coolant coz the mechanic said coolant is just reservour or backup and not really necessary and i think it's not coolant problem since it's related with lights and brakes. What possibly cause it?
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confirm ur radiator not tersumbat??... thermostat working well??... fan is not a thermostat... temperature sensor is not thermostat... water pump confirm working??...

u should use coolant in radiator...
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post Mar 31 2009, 11:16 PM


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happened to me before.. my kancil's symptom definately similar as urs.
almost 2 years cant figure out why even tho i'd already service the radiator, changed the thermostat, and ask mehanic to set the fan to "always on"...many2 times..still the same..

but in the end, when i sent it to another mechanic, the problem solved! after 2 darn years i was "cheated" by the 1st mechanic.. now i changed mechanic ady, and all he did was servicing the radiator, again.. the last mech told me that there is a problem with the radiator.. tersumbat! (even tho my 1st mech told me tat he ady fixed tat)..

So my suggestion, if it keep happening again and again even tho u ady sent it to the same mech 2-3 times... try look for other mech.. the radiator needs to be service properly. my mech told me the problem is very common wit kancil.

Oh ya, i dun use coolant oso since now my engine temp rarely pass 1/3 even tho in the hot sunny afternoon.. but i think coolant is good to protect ur radiator from rusts.
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Doing a radiator flush(proper one with proper machine) should adequately fix the problem. Most mechanic are not skilled or have no proper equipment of doing it.

Sometimes the culprit could be a faulty fan. It may spin but then it does not spin as fast as it use to be probably due to faulty bearing.

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post Apr 1 2009, 02:24 PM


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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Mar 31 2009, 03:28 PM)
confirm ur radiator not tersumbat??... thermostat working well??... fan is not a thermostat... temperature sensor is not thermostat... water pump confirm working??...

u should use coolant in radiator...
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i write fan aka(and) thermostat, i know they're diff thing doh.gif
i think fan works well and thermostat is good oso if not the fan not spin rite?
water pump?? where the hell is that? hmm.gif


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QUOTE(kord @ Mar 31 2009, 11:16 PM)
happened to me before.. my kancil's symptom definately similar as urs.
almost 2 years cant figure out why even tho i'd already service the radiator, changed the thermostat, and ask mehanic to set the fan to "always on"...many2 times..still the same..

but in the end, when i sent it to another mechanic, the problem solved! after 2 darn years i was "cheated" by the 1st mechanic.. now i changed mechanic ady, and all he did was servicing the radiator, again.. the last mech told me that there is a problem with the radiator.. tersumbat! (even tho my 1st mech told me tat he ady fixed tat)..

So my suggestion, if it keep happening again and again even tho u ady sent it to the same mech 2-3 times... try look for other mech.. the radiator needs to be service properly. my mech told me the problem is very common wit kancil.

Oh ya, i dun use coolant oso since now my engine temp rarely pass 1/3 even tho in the hot sunny afternoon.. but i think coolant is good to protect ur radiator from rusts.
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how to know it's sumbat or not after it's already service? I saw he flush and all the mess came out. Could it be the hose also sumbat? Never check that. Don't want to waste more time and money to check there and that but eventually the problem not solve. I must know what's the exact problem.

Btw who the mech u mention? How to know the good mech? wink.gif


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QUOTE(779364 @ Apr 1 2009, 12:04 AM)
Doing a radiator flush(proper one with proper machine) should adequately fix the problem. Most mechanic are not skilled or have no proper equipment of doing it.

Sometimes the culprit could be a faulty fan. It may spin but then it does not spin as fast as it use to be probably due to faulty bearing.
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if it's not spin fast, my air cond not cool oso. But my aircond is good as heaven even the first speed only. rclxms.gif

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post Apr 2 2009, 01:47 AM


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Cooling system - Common problem

Based on the symptom you have mentioned.
- Check if any fault code from scan tools

Car is overcooling when running condition
- Thermostat (struck to open position)
- Electrical cooling fan (always on)
- Thermal / coolant temperature sensor

Car is overheating when idling condtion
- Electrical cooling fan (defective)
- Thermal / coolant temperature sensor

If all of the above components have no problem, you may need to inspect
- Engine Control Unit Internal Fault
- A/C refrigerant overcharging, does your A/C still work when the car overeating in traffic jam?
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QUOTE(Predatorazor84 @ Apr 1 2009, 02:24 PM)
i write fan aka(and) thermostat, i know they're diff thing  doh.gif
i think fan works well and thermostat is good oso if not the fan not spin rite?
water pump?? where the hell is that?  hmm.gif


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how to know it's sumbat or not after it's already service? I saw he flush and all the mess came out. Could it be the hose also sumbat? Never check that. Don't want to waste more time and money to check there and that but eventually the problem not solve. I must know what's the exact problem.

Btw who the mech u mention? How to know the good mech?  wink.gif


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if it's not spin fast, my air cond not cool oso. But my aircond is good as heaven even the first speed only.  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Predatorazor84 @ Apr 1 2009, 02:24 PM)
i write fan aka(and) thermostat, i know they're diff thing  doh.gif
i think fan works well and thermostat is good oso if not the fan not spin rite?
water pump?? where the hell is that?  hmm.gif
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aka also dunno what meaning... doh.gif

thermostat does not control the spinning of ur fan... temperature sensor controls the actuation of ur fan.... thermostat works as a valve, allowing water/coolant to flow through when temperature reaches certain degree...

water pump is located beside ur engine...

QUOTE(Predatorazor84 @ Apr 1 2009, 02:24 PM)
how to know it's sumbat or not after it's already service? I saw he flush and all the mess came out. Could it be the hose also sumbat? Never check that. Don't want to waste more time and money to check there and that but eventually the problem not solve. I must know what's the exact problem.
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inside the radiator is divided into many small tubings/linings... u see mess coming out doesnt mean all tubings are not tersumbat... mayb jz 1/4 of all the tubing is cleared while 3/4 of the radiator is still stuck...

if u dun check how u know where is the exact problem leh??...

QUOTE(Predatorazor84 @ Apr 1 2009, 02:24 PM)
if it's not spin fast, my air cond not cool oso. But my aircond is good as heaven even the first speed only.  rclxms.gif
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are u driving kancil??.. if not aircond fan and radiator fan is 2 separate fan running individually...
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post Apr 2 2009, 03:00 PM


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QUOTE(kjyong @ Apr 2 2009, 01:47 AM)
Cooling system - Common problem

Based on the symptom you have mentioned.
- Check if any fault code from scan tools

Car is overcooling when running condition
- Thermostat (struck to open position)
- Electrical cooling fan (always on)
- Thermal / coolant temperature sensor

Car is overheating when idling condtion
- Electrical cooling fan (defective)
- Thermal / coolant temperature sensor

If all of the above components have no problem, you may need to inspect
- Engine Control Unit Internal Fault
- A/C refrigerant overcharging, does your A/C still work when the car overeating in traffic jam?
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wa.... i no idea what u mention about laugh.gif quite a noob in cars....
A/C still good even car overheating, but if the temp almost reach the Hzone, i switch off the A/C, and the temp decrease but still more than half.


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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Apr 2 2009, 03:57 AM)
aka also dunno what meaning...  doh.gif

thermostat does not control the spinning of ur fan... temperature sensor controls the actuation of ur fan.... thermostat works as a valve, allowing water/coolant to flow through when temperature reaches certain degree...

water pump is located beside ur engine...
inside the radiator is divided into many small tubings/linings... u see mess coming out doesnt mean all tubings are not tersumbat... mayb jz 1/4 of all the tubing is cleared while 3/4 of the radiator is still stuck...

if u dun check how u know where is the exact problem leh??...
are u driving kancil??.. if not aircond fan and radiator fan is 2 separate fan running individually...
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kancil got one fan only..... nod.gif that's why when it's overheating i always switch off the a/c for not make it get worse. But i can't switch off the lights oso can i? tongue.gif

if check for free is ok la.... mostly when go to mechanic they check like crazy but eventually repair the part not related to the problem and waste money for nothing. If can claim warranty is ok la but service charge can't get refund rite? sweat.gif
Already kena while my car can't start sometime and some mech ask me to replace starter,alternator and battery for few hundreds but i refuse just pay the 'check' charge which is quite much. But in the end the problem was just a small wire call 'relay'. Remove that all fine. Luckily i refuse the previous mech. I don't want same thing happen. Got the picture?

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post Apr 2 2009, 03:49 PM


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QUOTE(Predatorazor84 @ Apr 1 2009, 02:24 PM)
how to know it's sumbat or not after it's already service? I saw he flush and all the mess came out. Could it be the hose also sumbat? Never check that. Don't want to waste more time and money to check there and that but eventually the problem not solve. I must know what's the exact problem.

Btw who the mech u mention? How to know the good mech?  wink.gif
Of cos, even if the radiator is sumbat, doesnt mean the water cannot flow out when u flush it. The are many tubes/capilary inside the radiator, small2 one.. so, if any/more of these tubes are jammed (usually by rusts-or in my case, some tiny metal chips), that oso can cos overheat cos not enuff waterflow to cool it down..
flushing the radiator is good once in a while, but when the radiator really is tersumbat, then u have to really take it out and check properly for these small2 culprits. oh ya, another thing is, flushing is not the same as servicing the radiator. anyone can do flushing himself, but to service, need to bring to mech cos he will clean (means poke the jammed holes inside the radiator if any), and clean the rusts/dirts inside..

ok, i donno if u know kajang area onot, but the workshop i went to is at hentian kajang. MADI Auto Garage. He's specialist in kancil engine.. oh ya, he can oso do engine transplant if u want to.. hehe. brows.gif

here the map to his w/shop:
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=2.9598789&lon=10...=18&l=0&m=a&v=2

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post Apr 2 2009, 11:31 PM


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QUOTE(kord @ Apr 2 2009, 03:49 PM)
Of cos, even if the radiator is sumbat, doesnt mean the water cannot flow out when u flush it. The are many tubes/capilary inside the radiator, small2 one.. so, if any/more of these tubes are jammed (usually by rusts-or in my case, some tiny metal chips), that oso can cos overheat cos not enuff waterflow to cool it down..
flushing the radiator is good once in a while, but when the radiator really is tersumbat, then u have to really take it out and check properly for these small2 culprits. oh ya, another thing is, flushing is not the same as servicing the radiator. anyone can do flushing himself, but to service, need to bring to mech cos he will clean (means poke the jammed holes inside the radiator if any), and clean the rusts/dirts inside..

ok, i donno if u know kajang area onot, but the workshop i went to is at hentian kajang. MADI Auto Garage. He's specialist in kancil engine.. oh ya, he can oso do engine transplant if u want to.. hehe.  brows.gif

here the map to his w/shop:
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=2.9598789&lon=10...=18&l=0&m=a&v=2
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i know flushing diff from servicing. What i told is i ady SERVICE it with mech in cheras. So i guess he check all those tube oso rite? Or not?? If not he's a scam?

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post Apr 3 2009, 01:22 PM


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QUOTE(Predatorazor84 @ Apr 2 2009, 11:31 PM)
i know flushing diff from servicing. What i told is i ady SERVICE  it with mech in cheras. So i guess he check all those tube oso rite? Or not?? If not he's a scam?
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yup.. i guess maybe he didnt check it thoroughly.. maybe not scam, just that he didnt properly unclog/clean ur radiator cos there are quite alot of those small tubes/capilary inside and hard to check one-by one if he's not expert enuff. better u try send to other mech for other opinions. IMO, not all mech are good in everything, some are good in engine, some in mechanical/wiring etc.. so, need to find one that's really good in servicing the radiator only. wink.gif

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Basically how to check wether it's not properly clean or not. The water within the radiator must flowing is it? Coz mine it's static and the amount seems not reduce over time. Is that normal? OR..... the problem nothing to do with radiator? Coz after radiator fankick in, it's doing their job fine, cooling the engine. But after a period it's overheating again an the cycle continue. Furthermore, what's up with the lights and break? rclxub.gif IF think how the system works fundamentally, still confuse it's related with light's and break. IS it just the thermostat problem? Is it possible being 'short' while light's is on and the hydraulics on?
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QUOTE(Predatorazor84 @ Apr 6 2009, 09:34 AM)
Basically how to check wether it's not properly clean or not. The water within the radiator must flowing is it? Coz mine it's static and the amount seems not reduce over time. Is that normal? OR..... the problem nothing to do with radiator? Coz after radiator fankick in, it's doing their job fine, cooling the engine. But after a period it's overheating again an the cycle continue. Furthermore, what's up with the lights and break?  rclxub.gif  IF think how the system works fundamentally, still confuse it's related with light's and break. IS it just the thermostat problem? Is it possible being 'short' while light's is on and the hydraulics on?
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Wohoo.. u meant that even tho ur engine is overheating, the reservoir tank still retains water inside? that's abit odd i think.. hmm.gif cos in my case, when the engine overheats, the tank will be drained out to cool out the engine/radiator, and at some point, the water even boiled inside the reservoir tank..
Could it be ur temp gauge faulty? hmm.gif have u tried opening the hood when ur engine overheat and see if its really hot (got water boiling inside the reservoir onot).. cos chances are, that ur engine is not really overheats at all, perhaps ur gauge/sensor/thermostat is faulty..
sorry i cant really help u in this.. notworthy.gif best is like i said, try to consult other mechanics for 2nd opinion. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Predatorazor84 @ Apr 6 2009, 09:34 AM)
Basically how to check wether it's not properly clean or not. The water within the radiator must flowing is it? Coz mine it's static and the amount seems not reduce over time. Is that normal? OR..... the problem nothing to do with radiator? Coz after radiator fankick in, it's doing their job fine, cooling the engine. But after a period it's overheating again an the cycle continue. Furthermore, what's up with the lights and break?  rclxub.gif  IF think how the system works fundamentally, still confuse it's related with light's and break. IS it just the thermostat problem? Is it possible being 'short' while light's is on and the hydraulics on?
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try switch on engine and idle for 15mins... open ur radiator cap... fill up till full... if after 15mins u can see water circulating inside ur radiator means it is not 100% sumbat and ur water pump is working well... if it is not circulating and water temperature continue to rise even radiator fan has kicked in, ur radiator could be tersumbat or water pump KO adi....

there is no way of checking if ur radiator is 100% clean unless u open it up....
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post Apr 8 2009, 09:32 AM


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I adytry once, accidentally though open the radiator cap after go somewhere(subang to cheras with slightly more than half temperature) and the water just little splashing and hot, make my hand hurt a bit. But second later it calm and level. Never leave it open for 15 min, will do it after this. Thanks for the suggestion, at least they're something i can do instead of direct contact with mech. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Predatorazor84 @ Apr 8 2009, 09:32 AM)
I adytry once, accidentally though open the radiator cap after go somewhere(subang to cheras with slightly more than half temperature) and the water just little splashing and hot, make my hand hurt a bit. But second later it calm and level. Never leave it open for 15 min, will do it after this. Thanks for the suggestion, at least they're something i can do instead of direct contact with mech.  tongue.gif
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good... means ur water pump is working well... smile.gif
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Apr 8 2009, 10:45 AM)
good... means ur water pump is working well... smile.gif
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Err i ady let it start for 20mins but nothing happened. Maybe coz of the temperature still 1/4. What suppose to happened if the radiator running? The water level at radiator cap flowing? The reservour is the white tank rite? Is it water in it suppose to boil while over heating?

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QUOTE(779364 @ Apr 1 2009, 12:04 AM)
Doing a radiator flush(proper one with proper machine) should adequately fix the problem. Most mechanic are not skilled or have no proper equipment of doing it.

Sometimes the culprit could be a faulty fan. It may spin but then it does not spin as fast as it use to be probably due to faulty bearing.
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I drive a Kancil and I agree with 779364. Do a proper radiator service. (only from radiator specialist)
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seems like ur wiring need more ground..
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post Apr 10 2009, 09:18 AM


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QUOTE(detomaso @ Apr 10 2009, 12:40 AM)
seems like ur wiring need more ground..
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Err..... what's that suppose to mean? Just wiring problem?


Added on May 3, 2009, 7:20 amBack, new update. Overheating seem always happened in night drive. Errr.... short circuit? Is it possible thermostat problem so it's short circut all along electrical system? Coz using lights at idle speed, the temp rising. Rising more if the fan kicks in. rclxub.gif

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Hi guys...i could use some help with my Kancil overheating problem..

About 1 months ago i sent my kancil (ten year car) for service - change engine oil, add coolant, oil filter change, etc (nothing major). But now my kancil seems to be overheating...

Initial i suspect the engine oil is not good because after the change my car rpm drop (usually at 2 but now at 1), can this cause overheating?

The overheating happen when I drive above rpm 3...when i check my tank reservoir, it is suddenly be full (like back flow- is this normal?) I sent to the mechanic once for this and he says he doesn't see any leakage. The fan seems to be turning (got air flow when i put my hand behind the radiator).

What might cause the overheating?
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QUOTE(flamefireon @ May 7 2011, 03:50 PM)
Hi guys...i could use some help with my Kancil overheating problem..

About 1 months ago i sent my kancil (ten year car) for service - change engine oil, add coolant, oil filter change, etc (nothing major). But now my kancil seems to be overheating...

Initial i suspect the engine oil is not good because after the change my car rpm drop (usually at 2 but now at 1), can this cause overheating?

The overheating happen when I drive above rpm 3...when i check my tank reservoir, it is suddenly be full (like back flow- is this normal?) I sent to the mechanic once for this and he says he doesn't see any leakage. The fan seems to be turning (got air flow when i put my hand behind the radiator).

What might cause the overheating?
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did ur head gasket burn?
radiator cap?
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haiz ask ur porman check the water temp sensor and rad dap 1st
since you servise ur rad and replaced the thermostate


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QUOTE(kjyong @ Apr 2 2009, 01:47 AM)
Cooling system - Common problem

Based on the symptom you have mentioned.
- Check if any fault code from scan tools

Car is overcooling when running condition
- Thermostat (struck to open position)
- Electrical cooling fan (always on)
- Thermal / coolant temperature sensor

Car is overheating when idling condtion
- Electrical cooling fan (defective)
- Thermal / coolant temperature sensor

If all of the above components have no problem, you may need to inspect
- Engine Control Unit Internal Fault
- A/C refrigerant overcharging, does your A/C still work when the car overeating in traffic jam?
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kancil where got scan tool
run on carb only ma
even efi is basic ecu
not merceder or beemer la
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QUOTE(sinister_sid @ May 7 2011, 05:58 PM)
haiz ask ur porman check the water temp sensor and  rad dap 1st
since you servise ur rad and replaced the thermostate


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kancil where got scan tool
run on carb only ma
even efi is basic ecu
not merceder or beemer la
doh.gif
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hehehe... i believed it thermostat... what the temperature for kancil thermostat? anyone knows? 4g91,4g93 82 degC, 4g92 76.5degC... buy the correct temperature thermostat.. sometimes.. sparepart and foreman also stupid.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(kord @ Apr 1 2009, 12:16 AM)
happened to me before.. my kancil's symptom definately similar as urs.
almost 2 years cant figure out why even tho i'd already service the radiator, changed the thermostat, and ask mehanic to set the fan to "always on"...many2 times..still the same..

but in the end, when i sent it to another mechanic, the problem solved! after 2 darn years i was "cheated" by the 1st mechanic.. now i changed mechanic ady, and all he did was servicing the radiator, again.. the last mech told me that there is a problem with the radiator.. tersumbat! (even tho my 1st mech told me tat he ady fixed tat)..

So my suggestion, if it keep happening again and again even tho u ady sent it to the same mech 2-3 times... try look for other mech.. the radiator needs to be service properly. my mech told me the problem is very common wit kancil.

Oh ya, i dun use coolant oso since now my engine temp rarely pass 1/3 even tho in the hot sunny afternoon.. but i think coolant is good to protect ur radiator from rusts.
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but i thought coolant suppose to harm the radiator unless your radiator is a normal radiator not the aluminium radiator. I heard tht from my mech.correct me if i'm wrong
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Hi,
I try to get myself clear on the following facts: -

1. Radiator fan will only operates/runs when it reached a certain degrees/heat via termostate?
2. Radiator fan will ALSO operates/runs when air/cond is switched ON regardless the temperature degree?
3. If neither of the above (#1 & 2) or the fan does not operate at all: -
3a. The fan is faulty.
3b. the fan relay is faulty (where is the relay?)

Therefore, i humbly seek confirmation from you all on these. Thank you.
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QUOTE(ParkDude @ Jun 9 2011, 10:40 PM)
Hi,
I try to get myself clear on the following facts: -

1. Radiator fan will only operates/runs when it reached a certain degrees/heat via termostate?
2. Radiator fan will ALSO operates/runs when air/cond is switched ON regardless the temperature degree?
3. If neither of the above (#1 & 2) or the fan does not operate at all: -
3a. The fan is faulty.
3b. the fan relay is faulty (where is the relay?)

Therefore, i humbly seek confirmation from you all on these. Thank you.
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Hi there,

Yes, it depend on car actually. Small car normally have 2 fans, one for radiator and one for aircond. The radiator fan only operates when the engine is hot, thus it control by thermostat. The aircond fan operates as u mention above. However, for small car, if aircond on, the fan always spinning.

If the fan is not operates at high temperature, it could be the thermostat switch problem or relay problem. Relay is the small black box with wire in and out(there are few relays at the engine bay ask mech to determine the fan relay)
If the fan not operate at all regardless aircond switch on or not, it could be the motor of the fan kong already. Replace it for rm150 - 200 icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(ParkDude @ Jun 9 2011, 10:40 PM)
Hi,
I try to get myself clear on the following facts: -

1. Radiator fan will only operates/runs when it reached a certain degrees/heat via termostate? not thermostate.. thermostate is to control the engine operating temp
2. Radiator fan will ALSO operates/runs when air/cond is switched ON regardless the temperature degree? normally yes
3. If neither of the above (#1 & 2) or the fan does not operate at all: -
3a. The fan is faulty. normally fan switch faulty , located below ur radiator
3b. the fan relay is faulty (where is the relay?)
your fuse box, white colour round thing

Therefore, i humbly seek confirmation from you all on these. Thank you.
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QUOTE(ParkDude @ Jun 9 2011, 10:40 PM)
Hi,
I try to get myself clear on the following facts: -

1. Radiator fan will only operates/runs when it reached a certain degrees/heat via termostate?
2. Radiator fan will ALSO operates/runs when air/cond is switched ON regardless the temperature degree?
3. If neither of the above (#1 & 2) or the fan does not operate at all: -
3a. The fan is faulty.
3b. the fan relay is faulty (where is the relay?)

Therefore, i humbly seek confirmation from you all on these. Thank you.
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1. radiator fan is control by a fan switch... some sort like a temperature switch which is normally plugged under ur radiator....
2. radiator fan and aircond fan runs on separate circuit and has no relation to each other... aircond fan runs whenever u switch on ur aircond... while radiator fan only kicks in when it detects a signal from fan switch...
3. check fan switch... check fan motor... check relay (at ur fuse box)....
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great responses....
thank you guys, it is crystal now.
i understood the needs & found those components except heat/temp sensor that kicks the fan.
again, rombo nandri... aka TQ
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