Even IPTS that offers their own degrees are not yet accredited. Believe me don't fight with Azarimy on the education side of Architecture in Malaysia. I'd believe him if he says IPTS doesn't meet the minimum requirements for accreditation yet since he knows what are these requirements and are in the field. He's one of the most informed guy about education in the field around these parts.
No TU's architecture programme is not accredited by LAM and also why their graduates always go to continue to architecture schools overseas which are recognized for their second degree.

icic...haha..my bad then

hello there...you are totally going off sense.
let's put it this way...
let me give you scenarios...

your family is operating a restaurant biz...
i want to get food from your family's restaurant and you
straight away tell me that
"you should buy elsewhere..our food is not s tasty and as good as other restaurants out there!"
well you act potrays the example that i gave.

and when your family want to compete with outsider and expand the biz, you tell your mom..
'what a joke,do you think you are as good as the others??? who are you to compete with them??
your words potrays that. what do you think will happen to any country or organization which has all its members like you?
i'm sure any organization won't go anywhere if they have person like this within.

do you know that in Korea, when their national car was launch...
it's not as good as now of course...
but even then, for korean's locals who bought outsider's cars are consider betrayer by their own ppl.....
it's written on the newpapers..it's fact!

MIA stands for MALAYSIAN institute of accountants
not UK institutes of accountants...
of course it must be design to meet the local syllibus and the vice versa
if you study UK syllibus..of course you will be qualified for UK bodies!

and yes the overseas universities do accept UM degrees!
check the entry requirements for foreign universities....do survey...do research...
they prefer public uni's qualifications first and then...they will state......the qualifications of some of the private unis which bla3X

I can't seem to find on Oxbridge's websites stating that they deliver undergraduate or graduate programmes in Accountancy.

i understand your arguments, but do not expect me to share your viewpoint..

i do believe that criticizing the public university does not of itself make me any more of a betrayer to my own people...if it is true, then why a country needs an opposition? put it in this context, as parent you're supposed to support your child in their life, but does this means that you're not to criticize them whilst continue to sing praises of them even when they're wrong.. this mentality is what dragging our country down..party members of both divide blindly supporting their leaders regardless of the policies that are being discussed..(sorry, out of topic..lol)

Our Nation's public university were once the envy of the region..The university which we now called NUS was once UM... However, the intolerence to criticism and refusal to admit their mistake and improve is the reason why our public university starts to deteriorates.. each time they fall in ranking and people start to criticize them, they say the ranking are not fair...

hahaha, correct
i am an accounting and finance student...
i've googled and still wonder around if Oxford and Cambridge offer accountancy programmes??

my bad... esjudem generis; i meant those uni that are of the same league which have accountancy or programme like LSE..

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Added on November 28, 2010, 1:39 am

btw.. do u know, there is starting to be harmonisation of accounting standards where by 2012, malaysia will fully comply with IFRS; which mean studying degree in UK will be almost the same technical knowledge as here..the difference will be very minimal..

This post has been edited by Knight_2008: Nov 28 2010, 01:39 AM

technical knowledge might be the same. but the experiences shared by those top professors lecturing there, could never be gotten here.

agreed! but Violet imply that MIA should not recognised uni such as LSE as they ahve different syllabus which are imcompatible with local accounting standards.. i'm merely just pointing out that why MIA should also recognised foreign uni such as LSE as how they recognised UM..

nevertheless, I've heard that government is planning to take away public university's special privilege in that their graduates have to either sit for MIA qualifying exams or take professional accountancy bodies exam to gain entry into MIA in the future.. Government have remarked that they plan to make Malaysia a global accountancy service hub in that we export our services to foreign market.. (such as by attracting foreign investments by luring MNC to set up their accountancy function here)

there are two forms of accreditation: one by MQA, the other by the professional body.

MQA basically accredits that the degree offered complies to the international standard of awarding a degree. so u would know that cert u're holding is an actual degree, not a diploma or something lower. the professional accreditation, in this case by LAM, certifies that the degree complies to the professional standard of practice in the relevant industry. being accredited means u dont have to take any extra examinations and automatically qualifies u to become a professional right upon graduation.

IPTS always market themselves as being fully recognized. now, recognition and accreditation itself are two very different things. it's like driving a car. u may be able to drive, but u dont have a license. that translates to "the course is recognized, but not accredited".

these play of words are rampant in the marketing of IPTS. taylor's are one of those who practice a good standard, they dont try to play around with words. they would explain themselves clearly to prospective students, hence the diagram u posted in ur link.

but from that diagram, u would be able to deduce that they're not yet accredited. scroll down to the bottom four cells, right after graduation of masters, there's a professional examination. now, this is solid proof that they're not accredited. IPTA students can graduate and jump straight into practice without the need to go through the exam. IPTS students would have to take those exams first.

unfortunately, most IPTS graduates just jump straight into practice, illegally, despite being paid lower as there are risks involved.

there is too many different aspect from IPTA and IPTS .

....and its a bit unfair to just compare accounting and architecture alone...

icic..thanks for the info

yes..agree...
that's what i am trying to say, it depends...
here is no firm answer for this..
there too many aspects to consider...
but there are ppl who just look at one party and compare blindly.

there are enormous numbers of IPTS in this country...
simply firmly said that IPTS is better by only taking a small number of good IPTs for example is shallow.

i am an IPTS student btw...
but i'm seing things on both sides...

p/s: condemning and critisizing are two different things....

agreed..just to clarify; i was not comparing IPTS and IPTA in general..merely between top tier IPTA and top tier IPTS (as defined by the SETARA)

To add something, I dun think it's fair to put foreign branch universities in the same category as locally bred private universities.

should create a poll.. let everyone to vote.

since most members of LYN are from IPTS, i'm pretty sure the poll results will be lopsided .

IMHO
I come from IPTA and have been involved in accreditation business in my case for engineering as opposed to Azrimy for Architecture.

The difference between IPTA and IPTS is in the environmental setting of the institutions. The IPTA mainly have ppl who cannot afford to go to IPTS. Therefore the socioeconomic environment is different.

IPTS due to business reasons do not invest in education and facilities as much as IPTA. Therefore most facilities and infra of IPTS is inferior to IPTA, as also education syllabus and ppl.

However due to socioeconomic status of students in IPTS there is easier to make connections in business etc. Thus the student who in this line in IPTS will have better connections etc and will be more successful in this line of work as opposed the technical oriented architecture/engineering where due to their limited exposure (in IPTS) will make them fail or have to work harder then IPTA counterpart.

i agree.