Hi need help..Im planning to pursue dentistry but im stuck between 2 choices...Studyin either in india or indonesia..Indonesias university offers much cheaper course compared to indias universities..but i do not hope to jeopardise the quality of my degree cert just to save a few ten thousands ringgit..

ya i will..but my family doesnt think that paying more than 100k is worth it to study before even working..so i need to convince that i shouldnt jeopardise the quality of d degree being offered

go for India.One of the top rated education provider in the worl.

i have a friend who study medic in indonesia..dunno which one..didnt ask lol..
she is hardworking type..1st year ok...2nd year she notice her frenz didnt study at all
but score higher than her..after a few investigation, she found out that these students
buy final exam paper from the lecturer..so what for she study that hard if final exam paper
can be bought like that..now she happily continue medic in local university(she quit the indonesia uni)

i suggest u go for india one..i heard their quality is the best since they plenty of body to research for..

Studying in India isn't going to be cheap. Here is an example of a twinning dental program done in Penang and India:

http://www.pidc.edu.my/

Browse through that.

Go for India instead,but I heard from my teacher that not all the india universities're recognised by the Malaysia,so better check it first before go there
Btw,it wasn't that bad also if you want to study in Indo,considering the course you're taking is dentistry,and most of the top Indo universities're specialised in pharmacy,so just go for india......

heard that india is better than indonesia..

Well I'm also like you and I do intensive research in many countries. I could safely say India is one of the best medical college in the world. It might not be as good as UK but its the best in a 3rd world country. Try going to SMC or MMC to get the list of the college recognized as there is 250 med school there.

why not try AIMST? fees at RM210000, and ptptn will loan you RM100000....means you only have to pay that much balance...plus your lecturers will be a mix of brits and indian nationals...

exactly wat's the diff between india n indo in termsa of fee n duration? my fren studying at india, dentistry oso.. 5 years duration.. so looong... spent few hundred k too.. so i juz wanna noe the diff..

its not the place, its the school of medicine itself.
go to the right uni

when it comes to critical courses like this, many doesn't care which uni.......as long as it's cheap and will accept them......

in any case, the good unis......majority of mere msians cannot afford............

Yeah that's true limeuu. If you got the money, you got the seat for most cases. So if got MMC recognition with a good place of living and fee, go for it.

the shortest course for dentistry is 5years worldwide..and now many change to 6years already...so if u really into this course, just prepare ur time and ur money...im now in indonesia, n i got fren in india, UK, ireland, iran, jordan, ukraine and russia. about buying the paper, u can get this both in india and indonesia...some of the uni in india dont allow the student to touch the patient, but still, u get lot of stock of cadaver..u can even buy one and keep it under your bed

the 1st msian dental faculty in um used to conduct a 4 year course........it's now 5 years, just like their mbbs......

I wonder why the government extends the duration. If I'm not mistaken, the internship eh? Has been extended from a year to 2 years.

oh memphis,so which Uni you're studying in??How's the environment there??My friend's planning to go there for medic

why not consider Russia to do medic ? I heard it is cheap to do medic there too.

do u mean compulsory government service, of three years?

i got some friend doing medicine in russia too. it is cheap but might not be for some ppl. couple of my friends are in ukraine too.

kaanaasaaiiii
rm100000 loan wan to pay off when just start to work
reli die lor

Not to mention the loan interest somemore...

cost of living in bandung, indonesia is not so diffrent from M'sia. myb if in medan or sulawesi can be cheaper.tuition fee for medic here i think just the same as in russia..depend on Uni tho...

thanks for alot for sharing your views..im having financial problem and getting a loan (bank loan),will oni leave me with a repayment of rm2000 per month once ive graduated..im wondering,will i be able to repay tis hefty sum each month as a freshly graduated dentist working at a gov hospital?

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Added on April 1, 2009, 10:38 pmbtw,if i were to study dentistry in indonesia,which university is recommended?

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Added on April 1, 2009, 10:41 pmi have another question here,how does one accertain the quality of a university for dentistry? is it based on the technology they have? or is it based on the year established? or is it based on location? how can we "see" the quality that one university has?i mean usually universities would write good things about their university at their webpage..so how do we exactly know whats real or whats not?

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Added on April 1, 2009, 11:12 pmCybersetan,my first choice was pidc,but the cost is a staggering rm200k..my family thinks that why would one spend as much as the cost of a house to just study..so ive found alternatives..which is between indonesia and india..i could save more than rm30k compared to twinning..but still stucked between those two countries..

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Added on April 1, 2009, 11:13 pmmemphis are you studying dentistry at indonesia?

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Added on April 1, 2009, 11:16 pmyea..sky high interest..especially bank loans that i can only searched for..agrobank is the best compared to cimb and bank rakyat in terms of delaying the repayment and the maximum amount of loan but the interest...will be killing me..2.0+BLR!

This post has been edited by tayy60: Apr 1 2009, 11:16 PM

yup studying in UNPAD, bandung indonesia rite now..so far, for dentistry in indonesia, UNPAD is the second best Uni after UI (universitas indonesia) which is almost impossible to enter. U can imagine, even for indonesian, the entrance exm is done in a stadium, coz too many candidates, and they even dont have time to cheats!!!!huhu...2nd best doesnt meant no problem tho..but the facilities here are even far more better than UM..myb the lecture hall is so small, but the dental unit is so new...compared to UM which ages for 100years....huhu...all manual...the DR n prof, even sumtimes they hav attitude prob but they are very skillfull...n i respect their skill to the max..FYI, in dentistry, brain only will not help U...u must have art oso...the first day in orientation, u will be asked to carve a die of tooth from a soap...hehe..we use PBL ( problem based learning ) system, so u will learn in cases...u must find and learn all by ur selves...the DR will only guide U...the exam consist of SOCA (oral exm) , MDE (MCQ - around 300Q), OSCE and practical (filling, making denture), and oso Mini-Cex (ur competency with and behind the patient)...in UNPAD, foreign student will enter international class which have tons of privillages...trust me!!!
ive been the student leader here from 2006/2007. so i already met the student from surabaya, makassar, medan, trisakti (jakarta) and bali. so i really sure that here is still the best..best meant after compare to their facilities, sylabus sytem, exam system, learning system and number and degree of research and journal per year...

woa..never aware of that fact..woa! hmm,so this UNPAD how much will be the overall courses? and also expected cost of living per annum? have you gone through an agent to study there? does UNPAD do researches on their own and is PBL,is it a new thing in indonesia cause i dont see that listed in india's courses..what are the passing rate there? im just worried that all the loan-ed money will be wasted and i wont have any extra money to spare in case i need to resit my exams..by the way,does UNPAD students handle real patients during their third year or so?so does the quality level to those of UM then?thanks for sharing..

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Added on April 2, 2009, 12:23 amBTW ive checked UNPAD's webpage,its all in indonesian language..do they conduct the course fully in eng?their lectures are mostly locals?

This post has been edited by tayy60: Apr 2 2009, 12:23 AM

i dont know the fees now, heard that its increases every year..for cost of living, its all depend on ur lifestyle tho...depend on what type of hostel rent, what type of food u eat, transport n oso if u a shoppaholic or not..huhu...for average low profile student, u need atleast arounf rm600 monthly excluding hostel and utility bils...my agent is Nugrahan...i still think that it is the best agent...FYI, U need to pay your fees tru them annually...u can pay it directly but very hectic n fussy...most of other agent will let u off after the 1st year...

i don't understand why even tuition fees needs to be paid through agents, and why it should be 'fussy' to pay direct to the uni.......

that suggests to me the agent continues to take a cut of the fees in subsequent years.......

the PBL sytem already applied in UNPAD for 6years..UGM for 5years..they use a slightly different version of PBL...i think local uni oso now applying this system....so student dont need to learn by subject but by cases..so they can indirectly apply what they need to learn...sumting like that...huhu...if u do pre-med here..the passing mark is 3.95...u can do remedial if u failed the paper...most of the patient do...huhu...but then if u still fail after remedial, then u need to resit...but still very rare...unless u doesnt study or cant handle medicine...u will handle real patient starting on 2nd year in OSCE exm, but fully handling the patient in clinical (4th year)...u will regret taking this course...haha...so hectic!!!!

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Added on April 2, 2009, 7:26 pmactually starting from last year, u need to pay it buy urself...but in UNPAD,u need to pay ur fees in american dolar...and u must pay it every year..cannot whole lumsum......so if u bank it in from M'sia, they will always been problem in exchange rate...so u might need to add more when u came back.....then u also need to confirm ur payment....and bla bla bla...so lucky me, my agent do it all for me....and got no problem with the exchange rate...theres also student here u dont came buy agent...but soon after land here, they got so many problem mostly in imigration...so then, they still need to find agent to help them...

This post has been edited by memphis: Apr 2 2009, 07:26 PM

why do they then, a sovereign country with their own currency, want to be paid in usd?........

i don't understand why even tuition fees needs to be paid through agents, and why it should be 'fussy' to pay direct to the uni.......

that suggests to me the agent continues to take a cut of the fees in subsequent years.......

actually u only pay the agent on the admission (nugrahan...i dont know the rest)..then on the subsequent years, they will help u 4 free ...i think all the money i paid to nugrahan are worthy...

memphis,what do you mean that i ll be regrettin to take this course? do you mean by studying medic in local u? btw how much is your agent fee with nugrahan? and how much do u pay per year? btw most india university will have their student do clinical practises in their 3rd year..but y UNPAD in the 4th year? how many cases do you handle each day compared to the number of patients that local university hospital handles?

Just ring up the medschool and talk to them. India for one is quite unresponsive on email. Agent could be helpful to newbie to foreign country but if it cost more than RM5k, better think twice.

Russia for example got agent with 'handling fee' of Rm10k.

i mean regretting taking medical in general...its so hectic...both study n work!!!im taking dentistry tho...but my brother-in-law taking medicine...so yes i know how hectic it is..he go out at 6am,return at 12am, then still need to do case report...then got on call, seminar, discussion...

i pay my agent only once...on the 1st year...then all only for tution fees...your fees will be differ from us tho...medicine in UNPAD consist of 6years course with 6month "housemanship"...

i dont know why differ..myb they want u to strengthen ur theories 1st...

the hospital is so full of patient...around 15000 patients per month...its all depend on u,how many u can handle, or how much u want...huhu...my in-law only deliver 3 babies, but all complex cases, n my other fren delivers 20babies a day!!!!for 6month!!!!I think she has psiko problem with pregnant woman tho!!!hahaha

All the country with very low currency value will normally use USD,since USD is a more stable currency their their decreasing currency !

Which agent did you go through?

Now, studying dentistry in UNPAD is 150k if I'm not mistaken.

i came with Nugrahan...hehe when in my time....just 97k...medic just 120k...

Welcome to the life of doctors!! I guess no one can blame you as many don't know how doctor do in their life. And in fact you are still in early stage, most doctor go >48 hours without sleeping and when you sleep the nurse will wake you up! But I think you will get used to it. Now you get it why people respect doctor more than other profession.

haha...n thats y i go into dentistry!!!doctor only for those who have passion...i just one same title, same pay (or more) and less working hour..hehe

This post has been edited by memphis: Apr 4 2009, 05:53 PM

hey dude...
let me tell u something bout Indonesia;

If you do have lots of money, i suggest u to live in a medium-rate place
for living. And get a higher pay for the education there...

I know a lot of my frens there are nice...
But u know, even we said nice,,, there must be a bad one also.
That's a fact in everywhere in the world, a black with a white. always.

Then i suggest u also have a best relationship with those people near with u, even near with ur place to stay...

by doing so,
u know, their relationship is more appreciated and more valuable and
what can i say... they highly-have a good personality when dealing with a real people...

Wah! so calculative OO?haha....

This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Apr 4 2009, 06:38 PM

confirm ma...that will be my future...for what i do for next 30years of my life...than wanna be lotus eater...haha

HEy but PIDc not recognized yet by JPA..rite ??
is it safe to go to indonesia??? my fren old me.. that they are changing their system??? is it true?

I am actually interested in dentistry.. currently finding uni

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Added on April 5, 2009, 1:00 amoh ya... how about eagle something.... dont know wat agent la..
kinda worried about the entrance exam though....

PIDC dont need entrance exam*smile* more relaxed.. HEHE

This post has been edited by pettybimbo: Apr 5 2009, 01:00 AM

There is also AIMST.

hmm if u find agent to indonesia....for me better Nugrahan....not promoting...but i got fren from eagle eye and medic prolink...n the service is not that got...later when u came here u will know...

I dont know which system U meant but from what i know, All uni here will change their system from lecturer-student oriented to problem based oriented...then i oso heard that JPA will stop sending all medical and dental student to indonesia...its still on discussion tho..but every month JPA people will meet the student and people from U to check if the got any improvement.....the problem now is there are many of "super senior" who still not graduated...and they blame the Uni for it...

Huh? WHat's super-senior and their problem?

Indonesia got a good med school and also a bad one just like in Malaysia, Russia or even India. I think MMC really should check the good ones only. Seem like too many send our student there without careful inspection. Somehow, I think AIMST is better than most of them.

the super senior here came before JPA send student here...so they are mostly the rich spoilt kid which parent forcing them what they cant do..so when they came here, they only go shopping, loitering..as know one can scold them as at home..got one of them whose almost already 10 years here....

exaggerately stupid!

Ya,I heard about that from my agent as well I'm really upset when someone just don't appreciate the chance given to them
(I'm sad to say that some of us here don't even have the opportunity to study in overseas and they just simply throw it away;mainly financial problems)
According to my agent,some of the spoilt kids even quit their studies in the half way,they don't even try to finish it off:shakehead:

Yaya! They really terrible! Simply throw their parents money into the sea! Haiz......

India is good for dentistry.

the uni will shoulder a major part of the blame for this situation......for NOT selecting their students in the proper manner........and NOT daring to expel these students who do not perform.......

Haha, never thought they are 10 years med student there. Themost I heard is from my father who said there are rich Arab studying medicine in Pakistan sponsor entirely by Saudi government and he repeated 3 to 4 years because always partying.

but 10 yearare too much. I think the money spend is equivalent to Ireland 1 million tuition fee. Give me that money!

that's the purpose of having entrance exam and interviews before the intake........btw,as far as I know,they do have entrance exam every year for some of the good universities in INDO(not all) especially for medic and dentistry courses
No comment on the issue matter of expelling the students who do not perform well(I'm not been there yet)

WOW.. 10 years!!!! must be very rich...

oh ya i phoned MOHE.. they said.. that indo is under KIV... and the MDC adviced me not to go to indo for dentistry... So... thinking of going to PIDc twinning with vinayaka.. but its also not recognized..because its still new.. =.="

you sure?? I just called MOHE(they asked me to call JPA), and JPA ...they told me that there're a few Universities that recognised by them as well including dentistry if that the course you intend to take

MOHE won't know about the qualification of the universities in overseas,if you want to know more about it please call the JPA........thats what they told me just now...

BTW,if I were you,I won't dare to take the risk to study in some not recognised uni to be their first batch student.....

about the uni in indo thing...i admit that all uni in indo under probation by JPA...last JPA meeting (2weeks ago) conclude that all student batch 2007 and below should take some exam from JPA, MMC and MDC...they still dont explain what type of exm, myb will be include in next meeting...im already in clinical now...so hard to get news as the other campus is so far away...so cannot join the meeting...

i dont know la.. but i know MOHe also got some connection de lor.. agents need MOHE's approval de..before they send us overseas. SEriously... indonesia is not recognized by malaysia medical council edi.. under KIV.. something about the studying hours/credit hours.. dont know la.. but u better make sure u check properly before u go to indo.. my frens in padjajaran also advice me not to go there...

NOt first batch la.. if i go into PIDC i would be the 7th batch.. The first batch would graduate in 2 years time i think..

I have a news here! Today,I try to call MMC and MOHE! They tell me Indonesia medical and dental school is under observation,they advise me don't go to indonesia first because the risk is high!


It is not de-recognized pettybimbo but observation!!! The risk is there,so I will go KSMU(kursk state medical university),russia!

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Added on April 7, 2009, 11:08 amNow who plan to study in indonesia or russia will dream off of getting loan from jpa ! I call jpa this morning,then they tell me russia and indonesia are currently not offered loan by jpa!

This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Apr 7 2009, 11:08 AM

never know that JPA offers loan to the students to study in Russia and Indonesia at the first place......
I always thought that JPA only offers scholarships.....

owh taught that u know...for indo and russia, u need to the 1st years fees by ur self..then u can apply ur loan by the 1st year result..so do your best..1st year always the easiest one..can get 4.0 if u struggle enough..the requirement is at least 3.5..i think....dont know if they increase or decrease it...for indo, the 1st year is more than twice the fees for each subsequent years...

oh.... thanks for the info,memphis
so,you do apply JPA loan for your studies as well??
Btw,for my fees according to my agent,I need to pay around 40K for the 1st year so it's quite true to say that the 1st year is more than twice the fees for the fees of the following years....
So,any news from the JPA?I'm just hoping that they can solve the matter ASAP before my SEPT intake........

why is it so?......usually, the preclinical years are cheaper than the clinics......

Perhaps the first payment includes the agent's fee.

the agent usually take max rm2k..i oso apply JPA loan...n lucky me, when i apply, we still can apply the moment we got the offer later...coz now, its a bit hard to get the loan already...unless u get perfect score with letter of recomendation by the student body or Uni....about the problem, i think they will announce it just before the next intake..they still fixing it..JPA cant do anything..they can only give suggestion..its up to the Uni and the Indonesian medical association to apply it or not..theres also problem with imigration..FYI, in bandung only, the M'sian population is already near 1k...so the local people demanding the local gov to limit msian...especially when some paper writing sumting like 'jakarta in KL"...huhu...thats really giving us (student body) problem...they are saying we are now building "KL in Bandung"....huhu...n the more problem with Indonesian in msia, more problem will be put to us...

Did they "ganyang" Malaysian students there yet?

i not a stereotyping person, instead, malays always say that im 'orang sana' coz i always supporting non-malay...but most student problem here comes from indians..especially males...they always drinking at night and creating problem with locals...they also start fighting..sumtime hosting very loud party..so now, its very hard to find hostel for indian..i really pity the junior...most of them, especially those come with JPA scholar really want to study...but labeled the same as their seniors...

go for malaysia. support local product. hehe

last year i think, when their referee in msia got punched, that time, we are conducting orientation here,...we even hired polices to secure us..got riot targetting mostly indian, as they can easily recognized as msian...n coincidently, its on their independent day, and one of the bloody hell senior got drunk and burn their flag!!!!luckily he get caught by the police as the local want to KILL him...u must know that they are very patriotic and nationalism...very differ from msian people...even which party they are (they have more then 80parties!!!!!)...when talk about their country, they are very proud of it...so please my dear junior..watch your mouth...got one incident, one chinese student said "INDON" in a restaurant, then the owner dont let any msian eat there anymore...and the restaurant is one of the most CHEAP and CLEAN one...very important for us...haiyah...lucky me, i cook for my self...

hmm. Indonesia or India? I actually got two friends going to Mansoura University in Egypt to study medicine. The standard of medicine studies there is higher than the one in Malaysia and Indonesia, this is what I heard. Besides, it only costs around RM150,000 for the studies fees for 5-6 years. The syllabus would be in English. So yea, you guys that wanna be a doctor at a cheaper cost can check out this uni. =)

http://www.mans.edu.eg/english/

ive found an agent which is klc placement and they told me theres a dental university in chennai which cost 130k with free food and accomodation for 5 years..i couldnt believed what ive heard,but then their agent fee is rm16k! btw i couldnt contact the university by email or phone..darn..its meenakshi ammal dental college..any1 heard of it?

Indon is generally a very uncivilised country, it can be clearly shown by the anti chinese Riots, Jakarta in 1998

one should always try to avoid indon if given the chance to study elsewhere, even he/she has to sacrifice the ambition being a doctor/dentist.

I do ask an agent before,he say egypt medical school is only reserved for islamic bumi!


Don't compare malaysia medical school with egyptian medical school!
Click and see the comments from egyptian medical students:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=519933

This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Apr 8 2009, 10:03 AM

Aimst costs more than going to india...

all the 3rd world countries suffers from one basic intrinsic defect.....that is, a propensity to corruption........and this extends to education in general, and particularly dangerous in medical education.......

we have all seen comments about the buying of 'passes' at exams......that appears to occur in the countries people commonly go for medical education, ie russia, india, indonesia, now egypt.......

yes, it happens in msia too........except it is not so much buying them, as being 'given' to sections of the student population........finals questions being given in mock exams (conducted for selected groups of students), extra marks being given so fails can be made passes etc.......this all happens at ipta........

and any university selecting students based on religion and ethincity should be banned and boycotted......and guess what?........we have at least one such here in msia........

india it is:)

Hv you decided which country/ Uni you're going?

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Added on April 8, 2009, 1:40 pmIs it? I thought AIMST is the cheapest place to do medicine? Hmmm.

This post has been edited by chingwooi: Apr 8 2009, 01:40 PM

the cheapest place to do medicine is any of the ipta's.........fees only rm3k+/year..............no need go beg for scholarships........

huh? Rm3k? I thought you need RM300k for that.

ipta lah..........awam.......

But to get into IPTA ur results must be Perfect!!!And also........ well.. u guys know la.. everything has quotas...its Very tough.. esp with matriks student who can score 4 flat easily compared to STPM...

Indo should be out la.. since now the MMC and MDC also not advice us to go there,,

penang international dental college(twinning with india) is an option i guess.. its not that expensive like IMU...

Any one here who goes to PIDC wan more details about this college.

T_T

i think india is better

i may not be a pidc student but ive made alot calls to them.its a 5 year course..you will be flying to india to vinaya mission university straightaway for 2 years..when you pass the test then you are able to continue your clinical 3rd year -5th year at penang..in a few years more the campus in penang will be completed and they will be equipped with a few hundred state of the art dental chair.BTW tuition fees and other miscellaneous fees can be obtained from their webpage..basically there wont be any hidden cost..living cost is approx rm700 per month in india..you may only apply for ptptn loan in your 3rd year..only at a maximum rm60k..but they are trying hard to get rm80 k max..hope these info helps..for more info call up their recruiment councellors,they are very helpful indeed.

hmm. i wonder if got ppl study chinese medicine or not. got this kinda degree?

Do India got any malay student? I only heard Indian student there.

Chinese medicine is quite unpopular. I only heard Chinese University offer the course. Don't know how the course will get you good pathway after graduation unless planing to open a shop.

This kind of degree is readily available in malaysia or china or singapore(NTU) But this thread seems not to discussing chinese medicine degree because India or Indo,I think have any uni offer this degree!

i had contact the JPA observer here and he told me that there might be no problem for the next batch..for the super senior, they must follow the regulation here...about the system here, they may be changing the dentistry course from 5years to 6years...i dont know about medicine tho..

If you tell me earlier,I will not stop my application! Now,Im half way of the student of Moscow Medical Academy(MMA)! From some senior,if really put in a lot of effort and serious your studies and also behave yourself properly especially learning attitude actually russia is not a bad choice! As I tell some of my junior who wish to do medicine,if they don't have a good self-discipline and correct learning attitude better don't go russia and don't try medicine! Hopefully,everything gonna to be alright!

Hey MBBS, you are going to Russia? I thought you going to Indonesia?

I have stop indo ! Because last time some obstacles is restricting me from going there! So,I have registered for MMA,russia! I don't want to change my decision again.Just go ahead ! everything gonna to be smooth I think! MMA is not a bad medical school depends on how you learn but some russian uni the system really corrupted! From my senior experiences,if really want to go russia please go MMA or RUMS!

OK. Hopefully all well to you. Better get a thick clothes, it frinkin cold there. maybe if my luck grows thin, I might find you there!

hopefully not to see u there! The medical graduates from russian is being labelled in most hospital because of some rich spoiled kid go to playing around there then become incompetent just because they buy to pass!haizzzzzzzzz! fortunately,the system is still not totally corrupted because still have some good student there!

Aiya, I'm not rich spoiled kid looo....

Really trying hard to get my result to enter Medicine. I work like hell in STPM so could enter med school.

So, what's the entrance exam like huh? Not question like 'Where is your brain' right?

Im not implying you are the one but just ask you to think twice before you go! I have no choice because financial problem but you different! If you really want to go make sure you can"tahan" the discrimination of russian medical graduates! I don't go Indo entrance exam! Not yet start! Russia no entrance exam!

This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Apr 14 2009, 05:29 PM

Siang,
you really change your mind very often. My advice for you is still the same, go for AIMST. You might be studying hard in Russia but the examination system is quite inadequate, and it's easy to pass. According to some bloggers and friends i have heard from, there's only viva for every exam, whereas in Malaysia we have to go through bed side (long case and short case), written and OSCE, which is much tougher if compared to the Russian examination system.

Russian medical schools are indeed good, but not for their English programme. I would strongly advice you to think twice before applying.
In addition, by the time you graduate, Malaysia might be saturated with doctors. If that time comes, employment by government hospital might be given to medical graduates from better known medical schools. You might be out of job, as the reputation of the Russian medical grads is really bad.

I have no personal grudge against Russian medical schools or their graduates, but i am just concerned as they have been labeled and feared (in a wrong way) in every other hospitals in Malaysia.

Just my 2 cents. Peace.

im so sorry about the late info...too busy with clinics now..and its just a coincident that i met the JPA observer...

about the russian graduate, my father-in-law (head of hospital) told me that most of them doesnt know a single thing..n the DR most teach them from scratch...so myb i can agree with u about the spoilt rich kid..and oso the discrimination...sometimes, even the nurses would scold u...

I understand you are good to tell me all this!Thousand times of thank you hyper senior

As you say,I change my decision too often! But not I like to always change it but really have some obstacles restricting me from going to china or indo! China is because the recognition problems,so I don't dare to take the risk! Indonesia is really a better choice than russia but last time when I call MMC and MOHE they tell me don,t go first because the risk of de-recognition is high! Then,I stop the application with Medic Ed and change to Russian Uni!

I really don't have much choices because of my financial problems! AIMST is really good but after I calculate the total fees for 6 years(included 1 year foundation) is also too high to me,even can get the loan also not enough! Dad ask me to choose the cheaper one otherwise I have to give up my dreams!
Maybe russian Uni is not a good choice but I don't think it is a bad choice! The only choice left for me is russia,so dear senior please pray for me.

Hopefully,my hardworking will lead me to be a competent doctor.I also believe I can because of my determination and hard work! Maybe I will have a tough period after graduate but I will try my all best to be a good doctor! God bless us!

This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Apr 14 2009, 08:03 PM

OK! Let's chill...

Do you thinking of just applying for IMU or AIMST by telephone them about your result and if they have available seat? I think you could just called them just like you called China embassy. Doesn't kill to call right?

Either way, good luck!

Sorry! None of a local private uni I have enough fund to study medicine especially IMU!

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Added on April 14, 2009, 8:05 pmIts ok! Im not try to blame you So,no worries

This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Apr 14 2009, 08:05 PM