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post Mar 26 2009, 03:47 PM


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UKM historians have long studied the history of keris making. What continues to baffle them is the dark origins of the wavy blade.

According to several prominent historians, the blade is made wavy so they cut through the body like butter. This is 100% bullshit! Keris is made wavy not to cut better, but to ward off evil! If ukm historians were more rigorous in their research, they would have learnt that dark magic is rife during the early period of Melaka rule.


(to be continued...)
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post Mar 26 2009, 03:48 PM


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Ward of evil? Hantu also ketawa tgk the keris...
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just use machine gun lah
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post Mar 26 2009, 03:48 PM


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Its a local design to be different from the standard straight blade.
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wavy cos that time no ruler.... so the blades cannot be forged like modern straight blades.

Also, rumour has it that it was forged by gay men
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post Mar 26 2009, 03:49 PM


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its wavy so that if i stab you with keris and pull it out, your intestines will come out with it
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it's wavy nature has good fengshui
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post Mar 26 2009, 03:49 PM


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Keris is wavy so the opponent cannot pull it out so easily if get stab
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post Mar 26 2009, 03:50 PM


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I always thought it was wavy because it's nicer to stab into your enemy's guts.
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QUOTE(firedauz @ Mar 26 2009, 03:48 PM)
Its a local design to be different from the standard straight blade.
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post Mar 26 2009, 03:50 PM


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sumore keris is dagger class. use by rogues. one hit kill type. kenot fight with the mighty iban sword.
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Mar 26 2009, 03:48 PM)
just use machine gun lah
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post Mar 26 2009, 03:51 PM


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QUOTE(Squidward @ Mar 26 2009, 03:47 PM)
UKM historians have long studied the history of keris making. What continues to baffle them is the dark origins of the wavy blade.

According to several prominent historians, the blade is made wavy so they cut through the body like butter. This is 100% bullshit! Keris is made wavy not to cut better, but to ward off evil! If ukm historians were more rigorous in their research, they would have learnt that dark magic is rife during the early period of Melaka rule.
(to be continued...)
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i heard of a story that the maker is recklesss and donno how to make the blade straight as the usual sword and rapier. that's why they came out wavy and pendek sweat.gif

another story is they purposely make it so the wound inflicted is more peril than typical straight sword and sabre. imagine you stab and pull it out, with the wavy blade pull out the flesh along sweat.gif


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post Mar 26 2009, 03:51 PM


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it's wavy shape is to inflict more damage
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post Mar 26 2009, 03:51 PM


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QUOTE(edwardstevens @ Mar 26 2009, 03:49 PM)
its wavy so that if i stab you with keris and pull it out, your intestines will come out with it
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true, the wavy design is to maximise the damage of the person stabbed.
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post Mar 26 2009, 03:52 PM


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Keris look like a gun to me in a way maybe there is a hidden mechanism and trigger within the keris.

Just in case, silat people lose to enemy they use the pistol-keris as their defense mechanism.

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i heard about this before /..
the wavvy design of the kris is useful when u strike an opponent at the abdomen..
the wavvy design will cause a wound so big tat it destroys the enlignment of the muscle tissue .. causing the would to bleed heavily so that the victim will die in case the victim manage to escape..
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Imagine a keris is stab into your stomach and twisted real hard before it was pulled hard.
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post Mar 26 2009, 03:54 PM


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*wave keris*
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post Mar 26 2009, 03:54 PM


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QUOTE(Squidward @ Mar 26 2009, 03:47 PM)
UKM historians have long studied the history of keris making. What continues to baffle them is the dark origins of the wavy blade.

According to several prominent historians, the blade is made wavy so they cut through the body like butter. This is 100% bullshit! Keris is made wavy not to cut better, but to ward off evil! If ukm historians were more rigorous in their research, they would have learnt that dark magic is rife during the early period of Melaka rule.
(to be continued...)
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QUOTE(AngelOfDestruction @ Mar 26 2009, 03:54 PM)
aiya .. terus ambil lembing impale that fella better laa.. laugh.gif .. *juz for the laughs *
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post Mar 26 2009, 04:02 PM


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its actually a gunblade..just like Squall use it tongue.gif
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post Mar 26 2009, 04:02 PM


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Keris are made WAVY so that the owner can WAVE it.

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post Mar 26 2009, 04:03 PM


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QUOTE(HHH816 @ Mar 26 2009, 03:49 PM)
Keris is wavy so the opponent cannot pull it out so easily if get stab
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Plus the wavy thing to make i pierce more hard & pain,let see if got 16 wavy at the keris,u get 16 pain's...lulz.
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Means Sultan does maximum damage on enemy yo.
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According to History channel, the wave design makes it easier to pull it out from slain bodies, otherwise, straight ones is harder to do that....
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post Mar 26 2009, 04:04 PM


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they even attach kriss at spear .... imagine they use it to stab you, you died immediately...

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i heard the story for samurai to kill it's opponent, they soak their katana with shit and piss to cultivate tetanus, if struck at the enemy, the enemy will be immobilized and drag his comrade along. i wonder if the silat master will do the same to keris to soak it with germs to breed tetanus sweat.gif
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Imagine a keris is stab into your stomach and twisted real hard before it was pulled hard.




thats why dota dont have this item! sweat.gif
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QUOTE(riph @ Mar 26 2009, 04:02 PM)
its actually a gunblade..just like Squall use it  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(pipi_6988 @ Mar 26 2009, 04:04 PM)
thats why dota dont have this item! sweat.gif
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lolz.They should implemented 1.

Dmg >9000
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well

a straight keris = 94 damage
a wavy keris = 94 damage + 6 bonus damage
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post Mar 26 2009, 04:06 PM


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if it's not wavy, this thread won't be created. that's why
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It's used as a vibrator/stimulator lar...like that also dunno meh...

But of course, can only use 1 time. After that ur dead...LOL.
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in b4 keris pawns bruce lee
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this question is like...why normal kite is diamond shape...while our malaysian "Wau" is round...then next? why japanese kite looks like a fish?
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QUOTE(bilabong @ Mar 26 2009, 04:04 PM)
they even attach kriss at spear .... imagine they use it to stab you, you died immediately...

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i heard the story for samurai to kill it's opponent, they soak their katana with shit and piss to cultivate tetanus, if struck at the enemy, the enemy will be immobilized and drag his comrade along. i wonder if the silat master will do the same to keris to soak it with germs to breed tetanus sweat.gif
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Tetanus is from rust, and takes a long time to take effect, part of which is lock jaw.
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Keris is an INDIAN WEAPON .. existing in MAJAPAHIT era

keris came from the javaness word "Ngiris" means to STAB .. as to the shape of the hilt (kayu grip) .. is specially made for the CUCUK (belakang)

this weapon comes from very long history ....
it was meant to assassinate, as the dagger serves as a quick kill
which latter being replaced by katars ... for better concealments

the shape of "WAVY" is designed like a SNAKE
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QUOTE(icyfawkes @ Mar 26 2009, 04:07 PM)
this question is like...why normal kite is diamond shape...while our malaysian "Wau" is round...then next? why japanese kite looks like a fish?
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QUOTE(bilabong @ Mar 26 2009, 04:04 PM)
they even attach kriss at spear .... imagine they use it to stab you, you died immediately...

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i heard the story for samurai to kill it's opponent, they soak their katana with shit and piss to cultivate tetanus, if struck at the enemy, the enemy will be immobilized and drag his comrade along. i wonder if the silat master will do the same to keris to soak it with germs to breed tetanus sweat.gif
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to maintain the keris, owner always soak it with arsenic.. flex.gif
correct me if im wrong notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(bilabong @ Mar 26 2009, 04:04 PM)
they even attach kriss at spear .... imagine they use it to stab you, you died immediately...

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i heard the story for samurai to kill it's opponent, they soak their katana with shit and piss to cultivate tetanus, if struck at the enemy, the enemy will be immobilized and drag his comrade along. i wonder if the silat master will do the same to keris to soak it with germs to breed tetanus sweat.gif
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lol biological warfare
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Solid Snake should use keris than a nromal knife.

It have over 9000 damage on all enemies.
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I'VE GOT THE ANSWER!!!!!


Its made wavy to increase total stab surface area with less material usage! Them old farts are scientists and economists at the same time!

Twice the total stab width at half the price!
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my theory is the dumbfaqs tat made tat useless weapon are some serious dimwitted monkey brained sapien who cant forged anything
straight... were then, still are.
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BFG 40k > keris
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QUOTE(Squidward @ Mar 26 2009, 03:47 PM)
UKM historians have long studied the history of keris making. What continues to baffle them is the dark origins of the wavy blade.

According to several prominent historians, the blade is made wavy so they cut through the body like butter. This is 100% bullshit! Keris is made wavy not to cut better, but to ward off evil! If ukm historians were more rigorous in their research, they would have learnt that dark magic is rife during the early period of Melaka rule.
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there's this movie i remember watching, Face/Off, Nicolas Cage and Travolta, Cage gave his daughter a knife with wavy edges, the idea was that you stab and then twist the blade(while inside the meat) to inflict maximum damage. The wavy edges "maximise cutting surface" , so to speak.

Besides , in the pendekar movies you always see them using it to stab and thrust, not slice.
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QUOTE(babyrabies @ Mar 26 2009, 04:13 PM)
my theory is the dumbfaqs tat made tat useless weapon are some serious dimwitted monkey brained sapien who cant forged anything
straight... were then, still are.
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which keris u talkign abt brows.gif
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This thread needs pics of keris(mudin)

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no , its simple , since the keris will always be edp ( echant deadly poison ) so when u stab someone , its harder to remove it thus giving more times for the poison to be spread inside the body of the victim.....
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^ graphical differences in damages inflicted from a normal blade (top) and a keris (bottom).
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This thread needs pics of keris
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QUOTE(joe_star @ Mar 26 2009, 04:15 PM)
This thread needs pics of keris(mudin)
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Code : W002
Type : Antique Weapon - Keris Naga
Status : Ready
Price : $829 (Include delivery)

Payment can only use cheque. No Credit Cards, No Paypall.
Only cheque!!

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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Mar 26 2009, 04:18 PM)
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that's not a keris ... the blade is straight /jk

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QUOTE(icyfawkes @ Mar 26 2009, 05:18 PM)
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Code : W002
Type : Antique Weapon - Keris Naga
Status : Ready
Price : $829 (Include delivery)

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looks like dildos mate, seriously.... laugh.gif

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QUOTE(icyfawkes @ Mar 26 2009, 04:18 PM)
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Code : W002
Type : Antique Weapon - Keris Naga
Status : Ready
Price : $829 (Include delivery)

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the blood and bits of internals will be hard to wash off the dragon scales.
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Keris Kecil Cacing Kanil......

Sekedar pengetahuan buat rekan2, keris kecil ini kami tarik langsung secara gaib dari tempat keramat Buni Wangi....keris ini memiliki yoni aura wibawa dan karisma yang sangat tinggi...


Kiarjuna.

http://paranormalmalaysia.forumup.com/abou...almalaysia.html
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i have one wavy question ... why is pubic hair wavy?
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who said Keris is wavy?

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QUOTE(looqsonline @ Mar 26 2009, 05:22 PM)
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i have one wavy question ... why is pubic hair wavy?
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keris being wavy and all is one thing but to take it that wavy way to how they build roads here in Malaysia?
utterly shameful!!!
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Looks like they are mocking the keris. I saw one of them is grinning.
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dont insult the malays. the Malays of the old days are MUCH smarter than what you think.
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he did not insult .... as the matter of fact Kris is an Indian weapon made to STAB opponents ...

it doesnt matter which place it stabs .. whether it's the heart, skull, throat, or the ass

we DO know Malays days are much older ... everyone's race is OLD
and malays are quick to COPY the indian weapon

same like SILAT

remember HISTORY, dude
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ermm..why is Chinese blade elastic? like those use by the monks...u can see the blade all wiggling and wobbly like jelly...ohh..should i make a new thread abt this? hmm.gif

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hahaaha. keris an indian weapon?? who are you? a keris evaluator. you are not. I AM.
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pic or you know the drill...
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ermm..why is Chinese blade elastic? like those use by the monks...u can see the blade all wiggling and wobbly like jelly...ohh..should i make a new thread abt this? hmm.gif
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chinese blades have lotsa varieties...that was only one type...
1.lighter
2.got sound cool weh~!
3.can slash with light strokes
4.wont break easily

for the lulz la... laugh.gif
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i am a keris collector for 50 years already. i know more. you dont.
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pic?plz write on a paper your nick and put it with your keris...and take pic and post up for proof...if not...your words are pointless ya know...
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i am a keris collector for 50 years already. i know more. you dont.
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Come on man, you don't have to ask us to drill you. Post the pics.
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ermm..why is Chinese blade elastic? like those use by the monks...u can see the blade all wiggling and wobbly like jelly...ohh..should i make a new thread abt this? hmm.gif
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because it's fake

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i am a keris collector for 50 years already. i know more. you dont.
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if you are so malay, name five famous malay warrior?
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i am a keris collector for 50 years already. i know more. you dont.
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ok my words are pointless.
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use wiki,u phailed

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keris

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QUOTE(peinsama @ Mar 26 2009, 03:48 PM)
Ward of evil? Hantu also ketawa tgk the keris...
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For one on one battle maybe good ,if group troublesome after stab hard to take out and other enemy got chance to stab you on back.

Of they can design new model,stab in then press one button it explode with the enemy.
kamikaze style.

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Haha.. keris wavy like ular... sebab ular kuat...
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QUOTE(bugijun @ Mar 26 2009, 04:35 PM)
ermm..why is Chinese blade elastic? like those use by the monks...u can see the blade all wiggling and wobbly like jelly...ohh..should i make a new thread abt this? hmm.gif
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well .. that's MOVIE MAGIC to you .. actually those director uses cheap imitation weapon to do the movies ... and it became a trend ...

actually .. Chinese is the first to find IRON, which at the time, those Romans still using Bronze (copper+tin)
due to the Warring states (3 Kingdom) , the weapon development grew so fast, that the Chinese actually developed STEEL, and the Romans still using Bronze

it may sound funny .. but actually Attila the Hun (barbarian) attacked Romans (and almost destroy Eastern Europe), actually using STEEL vs BRONZE
something like cutting through butter armors .. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(ismaktalaludin @ Mar 26 2009, 04:46 PM)
uncle is an old man already. uncle not tech savvy to do all that. uncle dah tua lah
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What's the sword that people, mostly the Europe people use? Thin one that is?
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QUOTE(Arkaine @ Mar 26 2009, 05:48 PM)
uncle yg tua sepatutnya tahu tentang sejarah melayu dan asal usulnya... doh.gif
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He's Wong Kok Chong, the last time I heard...
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QUOTE(ismaktalaludin @ Mar 26 2009, 04:45 PM)
according to wikipedia, is hang tuah hang jebat hang lekir hang lekiu hang kasturi hang mokhtar.
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QUOTE(ismaktalaludin @ Mar 26 2009, 04:46 PM)
uncle is an old man already. uncle not tech savvy to do all that. uncle dah tua lah
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alexander the great is actually a Malay. shows how powerful the Malay are once upon time.
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but he was gay?
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What's the sword that people, mostly the Europe people use? Thin one that is?
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rapier

not raper ah...

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alexander the great is actually a Malay. shows how powerful the Malay are once upon time.
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What pokok-kepondanan is it...
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rapier

not raper ah...
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Excalibur la...
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WHY NO ONE ANSWER MY QUESTION YET? WHY IS PUBIC HAIR CURLY???
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IT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T SIKAT TIAP-TIAP HARI MEH!! biggrin.gif

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WHY NO ONE ANSWER MY QUESTION YET? WHY IS PUBIC HAIR CURLY???
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DAM U ALLL AND UR STUPID ANSWERSS!!! I'M GOING TO WIKI IT !
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Excalibur la...
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Looks like Excalibur mate? shakehead.gif

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quote Wiki "it's curly so you can catch "crabs" with it"
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alexander the great is actually a Malay. shows how powerful the Malay are once upon time.
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Alexander the Great is a Malay?

you must be dreaming .. if you say he's an Arab, maybe we can believe it .. but MALAY? that time malays are nothing more than the Pirates of Selat Melaka

but no matter, Alexander was poisoned and murdered .. and his whole Roman Empire splits to 2 (which latter Atilla the Hun came to trash it)

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Looks like Excalibur mate? shakehead.gif

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It looks like, mate.
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QUOTE(Serpentarius @ Mar 26 2009, 04:57 PM)
Alexander the Great is a Malay?

you must be dreaming .. if you say he's an Arab, maybe we can believe it .. but MALAY? that time malays are nothing more than the Pirates of Selat Melaka

but no matter, Alexander was poisoned and murdered .. and his whole Roman Empire splits to 2 (which latter Atilla the Hun came to trash it)
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I thought CHow Yoon Fat(iz it him) is the Pirate of South East Asia?? (refer from POtC...lulz)


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Bila cucuk lagi sakit sbb keris berlekuk2 effect kesakitan tu lebih.
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QUOTE(peinsama @ Mar 26 2009, 05:59 PM)
It looks like, mate.
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Old folks Malay are fisherman lar last time i checked my Sejarah books...lulz.
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Malays are pirates? so who do the Malays steal from? Chinese businessman?
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I hope you'll get strike by lightning for if you were telling lies.... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ismaktalaludin @ Mar 26 2009, 05:00 PM)
Malays are pirates? so who do the Malays steal from? Chinese businessman?
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actually...Parameswara ran away from Majapahit in Indonesia...so technically Indon? i wonder what happened to the aborigines...?

p/s:Majapahit is from Thailand...

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QUOTE(icyfawkes @ Mar 26 2009, 05:04 PM)
actually...Parameswara ran away from Majapahit in Indonesia...so technically Indon? i wonder what happened to the aborigines...?

p/s:Majapahit is from Thailand...
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pihak pendatang masih tak puas hati ker? lolz
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The keris is a weapon used by the Melayu since the era of the Melayu Sultanates more than 800 years ago. It was used by the pendekars, armies and palace nobility. It was also revered as a ceremonial tool and a symbol of royalty.

Research has shown that the keris originated from the Majapahit empire which ruled in the 13th century. After the decline of the Majapahit, many of its blacksmiths migrated to other areas such as Jawa, the Sumatran islands, the Sulawesi islands and finally to the Melayu Peninsula. The keris developed as a weapon in the Melayu Peninsula up until the point it was occupied by the British. British law banned the wearing of the keris on the body or used as a weapon but only allowed its ceremonial role.

There are many different types of keris, however, the Keris melayu as used by the Melayu normally displays the features of the original Majapahit keris, which has the Jawa Demam hilt and a boat-shaped piece on the sheath.

http://silat-melayu.blogspot.com/2007/11/o...ris-melayu.html

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oi stop the arguement lar,damn forummer,s

Lets chat about Keris back!
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pihak pendatang masih tak puas hati ker? lolz
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QUOTE(Serpentarius @ Mar 26 2009, 04:57 PM)
Alexander the Great is a Malay?

you must be dreaming .. if you say he's an Arab, maybe we can believe it .. but MALAY? that time malays are nothing more than the Pirates of Selat Melaka

but no matter, Alexander was poisoned and murdered .. and his whole Roman Empire splits to 2 (which latter Atilla the Hun came to trash it)
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Alexander was a macedon, not a Roman. Alexander preceded the Roman Empire by nearly 200 years. Alexander did not found or lead the Roman Empire. His empire was carved up by his generals after his death, & they quickly lost power. The Roman Empire came up much later & the actual split between East & West wasnt because "alexander was poisoned". Sheesh, you're the 1 whos in dreamland.
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QUOTE(kliprift @ Mar 26 2009, 05:09 PM)
siape pendatang yang ko cakap nie ?
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saper2 yg terasa laaa...
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Knape Keris pendek?????? Tak cukup besi????

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QUOTE(ismaktalaludin @ Mar 26 2009, 05:06 PM)
so are you saying Malays are the sons of Parameswara? where is your logic?. do you know the malays are great navigators? they have been in the peninsula long before the arrival of Parameswara.
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you didnt read my post properly LOL...thats why i said what happened to the aborigines? so you are trying to say the aborigines are malay instead of coming from the lineage of Parameswera?
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QUOTE(20thCentury @ Mar 26 2009, 05:12 PM)
Knape Keris pendek?????? Tak cukup besi????
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kenapa keris ko pendek? tak cukup zat???

lol..i'm done in this thread... tongue.gif

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saper2 yg terasa laaa...
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ku terasa nie ? ko cakap indon kan, kan kan ?
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QUOTE(20thCentury @ Mar 26 2009, 05:12 PM)
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Aiya,lazy ar u don wan read previous reply.


It was meant to be use by an assasin becaose its easy to wield & easy to stab people.



Aiyo dont be damn lazy lar
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you didnt read my post properly LOL...thats why i said what happened to the aborigines? so you are trying to say the aborigines are malay instead of coming from the lineage of Parameswera?
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QUOTE(Muhammad Syukri @ Mar 26 2009, 05:14 PM)
Aiya,lazy ar u don wan read previous reply.
It was meant to be use by an assasin becaose its easy to wield & easy to stab people.
Aiyo dont be damn lazy lar
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Lazy to filpin the pages lar... hahaha...

"It was meant to be use by an assasin becaose its easy to wield & easy to stab people."
But if the assassin meet with a warrior with long sword.. then the assassin got assassinated... LOL

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yah...stab him with straight keris....haha..waving coz want to do more damage lol...
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I found this keris....

Level: 60
Req Stats: STR50, DEX 100
Attack: 75 (71-80)
Speed: Fast
Job: Warrior, Thief
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Sold for: 250,000 mesos


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I found this keris....

Level: 60
Req Stats: STR50, DEX 100
Attack: 75 (71-80)
Speed: Fast
Job: Warrior, Thief
Effect: -
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i thought the keris had a wavy blade to cause more damage during entry and exit, enlarging the wound. a straight blade would go out cleanly, reducing the damage.

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Knape Keris pendek?????? Tak cukup besi????
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close quarter combat. lighter and easier to control weapon beats heavy bulky weapon. and not as tiring. can fight longer. use claymore leaves alot of weaknesses and openings during the long swing and follow through, not to mention endurance issues.





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QUOTE(20thCentury @ Mar 26 2009, 05:15 PM)
Lazy to filpin the pages lar... hahaha...

"It was meant to be use by an assasin becaose its easy to wield & easy to stab people."
But if the assassin meet with a warrior with long sword.. then the assassin got assassinated... LOL
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Aduh whaat a question,go read or play Assasin Creed lar.

Its based on the real Assasin at East.

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I found this keris....

Level: 60
Req Stats: STR50, DEX 100
Attack: 75 (71-80)
Speed: Fast
Job: Warrior, Thief
Effect: -
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Sold for: 250,000 mesos
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Mapletard...lulz
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QUOTE(Muhammad Syukri @ Mar 26 2009, 05:00 PM)
I thought CHow Yoon Fat(iz it him) is the Pirate of South East Asia?? (refer from POtC...lulz)
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that's what we call MOVIE MAGIC ... most of the histories arent the way they are in MOVIES ...
in fact, Malays are great sailors .. as well as pirates ..

even till now (from 3000 years ago) .. the Strait of Malacca is a still a One of the Most busiest Straits in the Whole World


QUOTE(ismaktalaludin @ Mar 26 2009, 05:00 PM)
Malays are pirates? so who do the Malays steal from? Chinese businessman?
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actually no. the first pirating actually documented .. is when the Malay attacked the Admiral Zhang He ... which later got slaughter (coz Chinese had very funky weapons called cannons) and the leader brought back to China to beheaded

the rest also documented a lot ... and Malay rob Gujerat (Islam) ship as well ... they do not choose whether you're Muslim or not

well ... there's Bugis, Orang Laut, Mingakabau, Javanese .. you name it .. since you're malay you should know more bout your histories than me

QUOTE(icyfawkes @ Mar 26 2009, 05:04 PM)
actually...Parameswara ran away from Majapahit in Indonesia...so technically Indon? i wonder what happened to the aborigines...?

p/s:Majapahit is from Thailand...
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well .. but Majapahit Empire is very large .....
Parameswara actually is smarter than others .. and with his Princely status ... he managed to crown himself king, which later became sultan after got influenced by those Muslim traders

aborigines? well .. they stayed in the forest ... not all malays are forest guys ... human population normally concentrated near the shores and rivers




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I found this keris....

Level: 60
Req Stats: STR50, DEX 100
Attack: 75 (71-80)
Speed: Fast
Job: Warrior, Thief
Effect: -
No. of upgrade available: 7
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Got weapon.. but useless without a martial art????
Silat vs Win Chun... which one win????? hmm.gif

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Got weapon.. but useless without a martial art????
Silat vs Win Chun... which one win?????  hmm.gif
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Bruce Lee die in the hand of Pendekar Indon...lulz
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great info Serpentarius!!! thumbup.gif
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Bruce Lee die in the hand of Pendekar Indon...lulz
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He died due to overdose drugs....
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Got weapon.. but useless without a martial art????
Silat vs Win Chun... which one win?????  hmm.gif
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如來神掌wins all.... No weapons required

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如來神掌wins all....
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Bruce Lee die in the hand of Pendekar Indon...lulz
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Silat is no match for one inch punch bro...hehe....
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For non Chinese can read Cakar Sakti to know more about 如來神掌.

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many claim damage more if wavy. u know thats just a myth?

the ular explanation is partially true. Bomoh last time control ular to patuk his victim to death. But if u carry a keris, the ular will be confused.


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i dunno lol...
maybe old ppl dun like str8 keris...
they like bengkok2 1
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straight sword if stab only 50 HP deducted

wavy keris if stab will inflict 80 HP deduction
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QUOTE(Error404 @ Mar 26 2009, 05:27 PM)
He died due to overdose drugs....
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nope. it was 'sawan' sweat.gif
btw, keris bengkok sebab dia x lurus weii laugh.gif
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For non Chinese can read Cakar Sakti to know more about 如來神掌.

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I dont read overexpensive comic book with only 16 pages.


Better i read e-book...haha what a failure.
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QUOTE(Squidward @ Mar 26 2009, 05:37 PM)
many claim damage more if wavy. u know thats just a myth?

the ular explanation is partially true. Bomoh last time control ular to patuk his victim to death. But if u carry a keris, the ular will be confused.
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its physics at work.
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many claim damage more if wavy. u know thats just a myth?

the ular explanation is partially true. Bomoh last time control ular to patuk his victim to death. But if u carry a keris, the ular will be confused.
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If Science prove this right,the wavy keris because when the keris put with poison,its hard to get rid off the poison from your body because the wound also wavy.


Check back Firedauz posted about this. tongue.gif
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Forget about those Keris thingy la..

Old age item..Long long time ago in the far far away

we should look into these


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it should be wavy type light saber...
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decorative. for a cutting/slashing/stabbing "close combat" weapon. it is only effective against another keris. again a sword or rapier the waves are decorative.
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Kalau keris dibuat hanya sebagai senjata, tidak mungkin ia dibuat seindah ini, kata Mohd. Noordin Ab. Hamid. Apakah keindahan yang dimaksudkan itu hanya bersifat fizikal semata-mata ?



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MOHD NOORDIN menganggap keris sebagai sahabat karibnya.



“WALAU ke mana pun saya pergi saya akan bawa sebilah keris bersama. Saya akan pakai pada badan atau letak di dalam kereta.

“Ia tak semestinya kelihatan pada mata orang ramai,” ujar pengumpul dan perunding keris dan senjata Melayu lama, Mohd. Noordin Ab. Hamid, 58.

Kenyataan ini bukan dilahirkan 50 tahun yang lampau mahupun pada era Laksamana Hang Tuah, tetapi sebaliknya baru-baru ini di pekarangan Muzium Negara di Kuala Lumpur. Katanya lagi, kalau tidak ada keris di sisi, hidupnya terasa sunyi.

“Keris ini sudah seperti keluarga kerana saya kenal dan selalu membelainya. Ia juga kenal saya. Bagi saya keris ialah kawan dan kami banyak ‘berinteraksi’,” kata Mohd. Noordin sambil menunjukkan keindahan kraf buatan tangan itu.

Menyedari kisah keris yang mudah mengundang pandangan negatif, terutama jika menyentuh tentang cara penjagaannya yang kelihatan seperti satu bentuk pemujaan, Mohd. Noordin pantas menjelaskan, keris diperbuat daripada besi yang mempunyai getaran sendiri, sama seperti unsur semula jadi lain iaitu tanah, air, api dan angin.

“Sudah terbukti secara saintifik bahawa unsur-unsur semula jadi ini mempunyai getaran yang kita sebut sebagai semangat.

“Kalau untuk keris semangat ini kita namakan myor. Keris-keris ini hidup, biarpun bukan bernyawa,” tambah anak jati Kelantan ini.



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CARA yang salah untuk memakai keris. Bahagian sampir dan ekor cicak sepatutnya berada pada arah sebaliknya.


Mohd Noordin pernah menjadi hakim bagi pertandingan keris cantik yang pernah dianjurkan bersama Persatuan Seni Purba dan Kraftangan Negeri Kelantan dan Selangor.

Tambahnya, dalam sesebuah pertempuran, keris mempunyai keupayaan untuk memelihara tuannya daripada tercedera. Mohd. Noordin merujuk pengalamannya melihat seorang rakannya yang cuba menembak sebelah lagi tangannya sendiri yang memegang keris.

Jelasnya: “Pistol itu tidak mahu meletup, sedangkan sebelum itu pistol itu dapat berfungsi dengan baik.”

Kata Noordin, yang mewarisi sebahagian besar koleksi senjata lama daripada bapanya yang merupakan seorang hulubalang, keris yang serasi dengan pemakai mempunyai getaran yang positif. Jika dipakai ketika bersosial, maka ramailah yang mudah mesra dengannya.

Jika ada musuh menghampiri, mudah juga orang itu menyerah kepadanya. Dek kerana getaran itu jugalah keris diberi peranan melebihi sebagai satu senjata.

“Ada juga kepercayaan bahawa keris yang mempunyai getaran yang positif (serasi) dapat membantu meningkatkan perniagaan, selain menyumbang kepada kesihatan si pemakai.

“Tetapi jika tidak serasi, sama seperti kita tersalah makan ubat, atau memakai kasut saiz yang salah, ia membawa mudarat atau makan tuan,” ujar bapa kepada empat orang anak ini.

Mungkin bersandarkan alasan itu jugalah golongan bomoh menjadikan senjata lama itu sebagai bahan dalam perawatan.

Setiap kali ditanyakan tentang kesyirikan, Mohd. Noordin menyeringai tersenyum.

“Beginilah. Saya jelaskan dengan lebih terperinci. Keris dijaga dengan membersihkannya dengan limau kerana asid di dalam jus limau dapat membuang karat,” katanya.


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HULU keris mewakili negeri dan negara tempat ia dihasilkan.



Keris yang sudah dimandikan tidak pula dijemur sebaliknya diperasapkan kerana karbon dalam asap daripada bara api dapat membantu mengawet matanya.

Tambahan pula bara api mempunyai hubungan yang rapat dengan mata keris kerana keris dibentuk menggunakan api.

“Memperasap dengan bau-bauan seperti kemenyan atau minyak atar mahupun aromaterapi pula hanyalah untuk memberi bau yang enak agar setiap kali keris dikeluarkan daripada sarungnya, ia berbau wangi dan menyenangkan – sesuai untuk dipakai ketika bersosial.

“Ada juga yang menggunakan minyak untuk memelihara mata keris daripada berkarat. Maklumlah, hinanya besi kerana karat,” jelasnya panjang lebar.

Sambung Mohd. Noordin, kesyirikan timbul apabila ada pihak yang melakukan proses pemeliharaan dengan hanya menurut secara membuta tuli.

Sedangkan setiap langkah yang diambil mempunyai penerangan yang bersifat saintifik.

“Ilmu keris itu penting. Jangan hanya tahu memiliki atau memakai keris. Biarlah ada ilmu yang menyeluruh tentangnya supaya tidak terbawa-bawa atau keterlaluan dalam mempercayai kelebihan satu-satu keris.

“Jangan sampai ia menjadi satu bentuk pemujaan,” pesannya yang pernah berguru dengan tujuh orang guru keris, kesemuanya di Kelantan.

Menyimpan lebih 280 bilah keris di rumah, jelas Mohd Noordin, pemakaian keris juga seperti memadankan baju dengan seluar untuk berlainan acara.

“Kalau untuk bersosial, berniaga, bertempur atau menghadiri majlis rasmi seperti pertabalan dan sebagainya, ada jenis-jenis kerisnya.

“Pilihan dibuat sama ada dengan merujuk jenis bahan dan bentuk atau potongan matanya. Keris untuk bertempur lazimnya lurus dan tidak berluk.

“Tetapi kalau pemakainya seorang lelaki yang budiman, dia akan tetap pakai yang berluk, seumpamanya masih mahu berunding dan tidak terus mahu bertempur,” jelas Mohd. Noordin.

“Ada antara pemimpin kita yang pergi ke majlis pertabalan tetapi kerisnya dipakai dengan cara yang salah. Ia hanya menunjukkan mereka tidak mempunyai ilmu tentang keris.

“Seorang raja atau sultan akan memakai keris dengan hulunya menghadap ke luar kerana ia melambangkan kedaulatannya.

“Sedangkan seorang yang pergi menghadap sultan perlu memusingkan hulunya agar menghala ke dalam.

“Bagaimanapun, bagi pengantin lelaki, hulunya sepatutnya dihalakan keluar kerana pada hari itu dialah raja,” kata Mohd. Noordin sambil menunjukkan beberapa cara keris dipakai secara salah.

“Kalau hendak bertempur, bahagian ekor cicak (pada ganja) sepatutnya menghala keluar kerana jika musuh menepis keris itu, ekor cicak itu dapat mencederakan musuh dan mungkin juga dapat mematahkan serangan musuh.

“Tambahan pula dalam ilmu persilatan, jari kel1ngking merupakan titik kelemahan dan ekor cicak dapat memelihara titik itu,” sambungnya yang menjelaskan hulu keris boleh dipusing kerana dipasang longgar.

Tujuan ia dibiar longgar adalah supaya ia dapat dicabut daripada puting untuk membolehkan kerja pembersihan dilakukan dengan baik tanpa merosakkan hulunya.


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one of my collection. it tastes orang puteh blood before. depends on design lah, wavy or not

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Muzium Sejarah Kuala Selangor, Bukit Melawati (Selangor)




Bukit Melawati


Berdasarkan sejarah, Kuala Selangor telah wujud seawal abad ke 16 lagi. Kawasan lain seperi Jeram, 10 meter dari Permatang di sebelah bertentangan Sungai Selangor juga telah wujud . Kawasan-kawasan ini adalah di bawah pemerintahan Empayar Melaka dan selepas itu pula di bawah pentadbiran Empayar Johor.

Sejarah kubu ini bermula semasa kejatuhan Syarikat India Timur Belanda selepas perang ke-4 Belanda-Inggeris (1780-1784). Apabila pengaruh Belanda sudah hilang, Selangor telah kembali diperintah oleh Johor dan Riau telah menyerang Melaka yang juga di bawah pemerintahan Belanda tetapi gagal. Belanda kemudian menyerang Selangor dan menawan Kuala Selangor pada Julai 1784.

Semasa serangan, Kubu Melawati telah musnah tetapi dibina kembali dan diberi nama sebagai Kubu Altingsburg mengambil nama Jenderal Gabenor Belanda.Setahun selepas itu, iaitu pada 28 Jun 1785, Sultan Ibrahim dengan pertolongan abangnya, Dato’ Penggawa Permatang Mahabijaya (Penggawa Tua) dan Bendahara Abdul Majid dari Pahang menewaskan Belanda dalam satu serangan pada waktu malam. Serangan yang bermula selepas waktu Isyak itu telah berjaya menyelamatkan Bukit Melawati sebelum matahari terbit..Sejak dari hari itu, sehinggalah British mengambil alih kuasa pada tahun 1874, kota ini telah menjadi saksi kepada banyak peristiwa perang.




Senjata dan Baju Zirah Bugis




Keris Jawa



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Keris Sundang



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Pedang



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the ismak guy who claim to kept keris for 50 years and a keris lover is also a skateboarder.. wow!

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=977029&hl=

u are a shame for malays dude!


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its wave cause last time break dancing was happening and the wave was 'the" move. wuahahahha

its wavy because it causes more damage
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how many malays keep keris at home ar.. i think u guys should keep 1... it is deep within ur culture... when show other ppl, at least got something to talk about
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deep within the culture, but nobody makes them anymore. in japan they still have a guild/association for katana makers/forgers, got yearly forging competition to promote the art also.

over here? most popular weapon is the helmet laugh.gif
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I hear it is for easy withdrawal after u cucuk.

The question that u should ask, why so short. The answer lies on secret of thunder cat
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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Mar 26 2009, 07:38 PM)
how many malays keep keris at home ar.. i think u guys should keep 1... it is deep within ur culture... when show other ppl, at least got something to talk about
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You must carry a keris to attend a meeting like an UMNO fella once did.
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QUOTE(edwardstevens @ Mar 26 2009, 06:45 PM)
one of my collection. it tastes orang puteh blood before. depends on design lah, wavy or not

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you never take care of it properly dry.gif

besides keris = CRITICAL HIT!!!!!
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I know why it's wavy.One naked amoi was sleeping infront of the forger,while he was forgin the keris brows.gif
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but tetanus does not take seconds to poison the body.....
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This thread very informative. Never known so much about keris after 19 years living in Malaysia. Thanks to all the ppl who replied to this thread with information and facts!

Truth is...there are a lot of sayings as how things last time used to be. Such as the origins of Malay. They shared many similarities with cultures around this archapilego. So, there is no single definitive answer to the questions we ask...let's just continue sharing smile.gif
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i just know that mental were that powerful to create weapon.. doh.gif
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this is the outcome of studying dwibahasa ...mind fvked

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fizik.physics, sains sciences etc

hence, english in science and math is correct one
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my theory :

they used to be straight..until the europeans came and fought with them...until every keris bend until so wavy by multiple hits...because keris buatan malaysia(cap ayam)...so from that day onwards...the blacksmiths are lazy to make the keris straight and instead make it wavy...
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about the rusty ...asides the tetanus.

it on the other hand reflected the skill/technolgy of malay blacksmith back then...

european, chinese, japanese were making strong, multi-layers, shinning and stainless swords ..

and malays were making stained short swords
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QUOTE(wilsonjay @ Mar 26 2009, 10:58 PM)
my theory :

they used to be straight..until the europeans came and fought with them...until every keris bend until so wavy by multiple hits...because keris buatan malaysia(cap ayam)...so from that day onwards...the blacksmiths are lazy to make the keris straight and instead make it wavy...
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Aiyo go study back Sejarah.

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QUOTE(wilsonjay @ Mar 26 2009, 10:58 PM)
my theory :

they used to be straight..until the europeans came and fought with them...until every keris bend until so wavy by multiple hits...because keris buatan malaysia(cap ayam)...so from that day onwards...the blacksmiths are lazy to make the keris straight and instead make it wavy...
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rusty metal/keris is not flexible ...it will crack/break if u try to bend it ...
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*wave keris*
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most keris u seen rusty is becoz they are fukin old... old katanas and broadsword aren't shiny either
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QUOTE(mhzm @ Mar 26 2009, 11:12 PM)
most keris u seen rusty is becoz they are fukin old... old katanas and broadsword aren't shiny either
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any keris that older than this ??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_of_Goujian

completely oxidation/rust is not same as not shinning ...
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^that's one awesome rare sword....

here some good quality ancient keris.... love the bling...
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the 2nd and 3rd freaking prettay. though the scabbards doesn't really measure up to the keris themselves.
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QUOTE(Muhammad Syukri @ Mar 26 2009, 11:03 PM)
wow u really failed in Sejarah,the Portugis fella come after many generation of Sultan lar.
Aiyo go study back Sejarah.

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wavy blade can oso trap other blades and disarm the opponents, if you know how ....

it's is said he best kriss in the word - taming sari keris (which i think displayed in museum right now) has many waves, you know ... the more waves the keris, the more terrer it is smile.gif
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QUOTE(Muhammad Syukri @ Mar 26 2009, 11:03 PM)
wow u really failed in Sejarah,the Portugis fella come after many generation of Sultan lar.
Aiyo go study back Sejarah.

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i think the reason why they make it wavy is because the steel they use last time is of lousy grade.. so if it is straight it will bengkok after hitting hard objects... only a few countries at that time have good quality steel...
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I think it's because the olden days Malay know their sinusoidal graphs and decide to demonstrate their mathematical prowess on their blades.

Also, they got their sine wave quite accurately. +1 workmanship though someone been skimping on other precious metal.
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QUOTE(lovely_named @ Mar 27 2009, 12:02 AM)
I think it's because the olden days Malay know their sinusoidal graphs and decide to demonstrate their mathematical prowess on their blades.

Also, they got their sine wave quite accurately. +1 workmanship though someone been skimping on other precious metal.
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Keris is wavy because .. [go read whatever other people have said above, I'm too late!]
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mana boleh ...nowadays nobody wears this turban already(besides sultans) ...all wear songkok and pizza hat  ..
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Actually makes no difference if Stab with a wavy or straight keris, if punctured internal veins any form of blade weapon still does the job.

The way I figure it, the way ppl answer in this thread is just about showing off their E-Cock and Jaga Muka. Correct?
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wow.... how come such a thread can last for 10 pages wan?
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Actually makes no difference if Stab with a wavy or straight keris, if punctured internal veins any form of blade weapon still does the job.

The way I figure it, the way ppl answer in this thread is just about showing off their E-Cock and Jaga Muka. Correct?
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it takes longer for the wound to heal (and leaves a very deep scar) if you stab someone with a wavy knife and then twist the blade 180 degrees (while still in the meat).
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they say that with the wavy blade, it enhances the aerodynamic of a keris, thus you can draw and swing and stab faster with it compare to pisau or wakizashi in short sword family smile.gif
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wow.... how come such a thread can last for 10 pages wan?
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Simple.

Low quality metal + Low tech blacksmithing = Twisted piece of metal trash.
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QUOTE(Squidward @ Mar 26 2009, 04:47 PM)
UKM historians have long studied the history of keris making. What continues to baffle them is the dark origins of the wavy blade.

According to several prominent historians, the blade is made wavy so they cut through the body like butter. This is 100% bullshit! Keris is made wavy not to cut better, but to ward off evil! If ukm historians were more rigorous in their research, they would have learnt that dark magic is rife during the early period of Melaka rule.
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obviously you don't know anything about history. Ancient people make things that reflects their culture / things that they see everyday.

We chinese swords are long, sharp and pointed. The european broad sword are longer, big and heavy. While the keris is short and wavy.

That represent the size, shape of the men's kuku jiao.

Chinese are long sharp and precise, thats why our kids are educated, clever and highly refined.
European's are obviously big and hairy, as what you can see from the outcome of their instrument.
While the malay, their wavy apparatus comes out with mat rempit, that doesn't know how to ride in straight line, and their maggie mee hair is just as curvy as the keris.


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keris is wavy becos it is always being waved in the air, everytime got assembly.
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it takes longer for the wound to heal (and leaves a very deep scar) if you stab someone with a wavy knife and then twist the blade 180 degrees (while still in the meat).
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to my understanding, the power of a wavy keris thrusted into an object is not properly distributed hence the damage is usually not deep let alone twisting it. Unless the twisting will cause the keris to break inside which inflict more internal damage. +1 dmg if the keris was forged with poison attribute biggrin.gif

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post Apr 3 2009, 10:59 AM


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keris is used to stab not cut..
but the european pawned them with gunpowder..
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Ayooo, see told u all to read more books, u all play dotard.

Keris is wavy due to copyrights matter lar. Becos almost all sizes and dimension have been pattern and copyright. So no choice have to make a wavy sword lar. Haizz.
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Surprising find at Okinawa temple



BY DEVID RAJAH



OKINAWA: An ancient blade of a keris found recently at the royal Enkakuji Temple grounds near the 15th century Shurijo Castle might unravel the ties the Malay world had with these southwestern islands of Japan.

As the war-ravaged Enkakuji Temple was being restored, construction workers stumbled upon a protruding porcelain pot handle at a spot where offerings were made to the gods.

The ensuing archaeological dig unearthed nine other items, including the wavy blade of a keris, foreign to this part of the world.


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SOMETHING DIFFERENT: A staff member of the Okinawa Prefecture Archaeological Centre showing the blade of the keris found at the Enkakuji Temple grounds.


Historians believe the keris could be from either Malacca or Java as Okinawa and the its surrounding islands under the old Kingdom of Ryukyus had diplomatic and trade ties with ancient cities and ports in Asia, including Malacca, before it became a part of Japan in 1879.

The blade measuring 22.1cm from the tip to hilt was found without the handle and sheath, as the wooden parts had been destroyed.

According to the Okinawa Prefecture Archaeological Centre officials the blade was found buried along with other items, including a clay plate with carvings of a dragon shaped boat, a glazed pot, a gold-plated door hinge and a metal door skirting.

The castle restoration work started in 1989 and the Shurijo Park was opened to public in 1992 while restoration work at the temple is still ongoing.

Prof Dr Kurayoshi Takara a historian from the University of The Ryukyus said the discovery had not been publicised much and is unknown to people outside Okinawa and Japan.

He believes the discovery of the blade of a keris would spark international interest among historians and archaeologists to determine its origin.

“I personally believe it could have been from Malacca because the Ryukyus Kingdom had started trading with Malacca in the 15th century,” said Prof Takara, who has been to Malaysia and Malacca to carry out research on the ancient ties the Kingdom of Ryukyus had with Southeast Asian kingdoms.

From historical records, Prof Takara said, the Ryukyus had started trading with Siam (Thailand), between 1425 and 1570, Malacca (1463-1511), Patani (Southern Thailand) (1490-1543) and several other areas in Indonesia (Palembang, Java and Sumatra) and Cambodia.

“Records also indicate Ryukyuan junks went to Malacca every year for 49 years and carried out trade with local merchants, Arabs and Indians.

“They would bring gold, silver, copper, tin, and Chinese ceramic from mainland Japan and China and trade them for ivory and wine,” he said, adding that there were also correspondence between the rulers of Malacca and Ryuyukus.

Malacca was also known for its high quality wine (believed to be nipah wine), but later years Ryukyuans started buying it from Thailand when Malacca stopped making it.

Okinawa now has its own rice wine known as awamori and there are about 40 factories producing them.

Prof Takara said the Japan-Asean Exchange Year 2003 is the best opportunity to get students in Asean countries and Japan to carry out research work in understanding the different cultures and history.

He said the printing on fabric, locally known as bingata, is similar to batik printing in Malaysia and Indonesia, but no records had been discovered to show bingata originated from Southeast Asia.

A visit to a rice wine factory located at the foothill of the Shurijo Park revealed that drinking awamori has become an Okinawa tradition.

A awamori factory owner Takeshi Sakumoto said the consumption of the beverage had become part of local culture, with people buying and storing away a bottle or jug of awamori every time a child was born and drink it when the child reached adulthood at 21.


- The Star -


Sources : http://hulubalang-lagenda.tripod.com/keris.html
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Well the answer is Darwin's theory(natural selection). Unlike country in the west where war are fought in vast grassland or deserts, our war usually happen in dense monsoon jungle. In the west they have huge log blades and long spears as their main weapon because the use of chariots and Calvary. The keris mostly use in hand to hand battle which happen frequently here. The keris are not meant to cut or decapitate their enemy but to be used in soft tissue area such as the abdomen, arm pit, etc. The silat was an art to kill fast in warfare. Its simple efficient and fast. other martial art like the chinese kung fu, Capoeira are more exhibitionist in nature. Their moves are elaborate and over the top but not very practical in warfare. Modern martial arts are more street fighting than anything else because we have guns now. Exp the Brazilian jujitsu, very lethal in one on one situation but imagine if you to grapple someone one the battlefield.. You would be stab in an instant

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The Tekpi - 'Raja Senjata'




04 January 2008



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For the past several months, my constant companions have been two battle-ready Malaysian Tekpis - expertly forged by the hand of guru Jamaludin Shahadan - president of Pertubuhan Seni Silat Sendeng Malaysia.


One of the most interesting aspects of this pair is that they are not identical. While one is more or less standard for Malaysian tekpi, the heavier of them could accurately be described as a “Buginese War Tekpi” having a unique belimbing (“Star Fruit”) shape to the blade. More descriptive photos will follow later. Guru Jamal renders it in English as the "Rapier Tekpi".

Following are some questions that Western pesilat ask regarding this weapon. Answers are from Brother Nadzrin:


" Is it used individually or two ? Is it used against specific weapons as a defensive tool ? "


In Silat Melayu, the tekpi has mostly followed the temperament and ideals of the art, so much so that even while the origins of the tekpi is still hotly debated, the technique employed in Silat Melayu is not, since it is accepted as mostly (if not purely) Melayu in thought and action.

The tekpi is used both as a singular and a double weapon. As a singular weapon, it is used paired with another bladed weapon. In Silat Melayu, the tekpi takes the place of the cumbersome shield in other cultures that don't employ it this way. Therefore, the dominant hand would hold a keris or a parang (I've been told) or in the case of Silat Kuntau Sendeng, a Pedang and a tekpi (this I've seen personally).

In cases where the tekpi is used as twin weapons, one tekpi held in the submissive hand, will act as the defensive (shield) while the other held in the dominant hand will act as the offensive.
In Silat terminology, this is termed Jantan (offensive position) and Betina (defensive position).

In these positions, the Betina will be held in the reverse grip, parrying (not blocking) all incoming attacks, while the Jantan will be held in the outstretched grip as a stabbing and pukulan weapon. In some cases, the Betina will be slightly heavier and the Jantan slightly lighter. It's not even a perceptive problem since most of us have 'softer' left hands than our dominant 'hard' right.

The difference in weight is to balance out the abilities of the two hands, strengthen the left. However, this is an exception and very few silat arts employ this concept anymore. Most
arts use the Jantan and Betina positions interchangeably as in the case of Silat Kuntau Tekpi and Silat Kuntau Sendeng. Therefore, when one is defending, the other is attacking.

This quick change is an extension of the hands' ability to slip between offence and defence, unlike the Keris which depends on the different parts of the weapon to facilitate a defensive or offensive mode.

In very Chinese influenced arts such as the Yunnanese-originated Lian Padukan (there's a great site on it at http://lianpadukan.com please do check it out), the tekpi is held in Jantan-Jantan position, rarely if ever receding to the Betina position. The weapons form is similar to the butterfly knife forms I've seen in Wing Chun (because they're both Southern Chinese styles).

The tekpi is flexible enough to defend against any bladed or blunt weapon. However, its speed and versatility depends largely on the user himself.


Is it used offensively ?


Yes, it is used offensively. The main methods used are Tumbuk (punch), Titik (whipstrike), Pukul (strike), Tikam (thrust), Sebat (whip), Tangkap (trap), Kunci (lock), Patah (break), Hentak (slam), Parang (slash) and so on.

According to my Silat Kuntau Sendeng teacher, guru Jamaludin Shahadan, the Bugis people used to modify their tekpi for war, sharpening the tip of the centre prong to a cone-like shape the length of one jengkal, while the rest of the tekpi remained an octagon shape.

In other cases, the last jengkal on the tekpi actually recedes into a proper blade. Both of these variations are used together with a leather armguard worn on the tekpi hand. Although he has never shown me a sample of this, a couple of years back (it's still around, I can probably get a picture of it to you) we discovered an old tekpi that had this conical shape.

It was a small pair (even I could barely use it, couldn't execute a couple of moves), which seemed strange to me because Bugis are huge-built people. This can only mean that this idea wasn't isolated to Bugis warriors, or there actually was a mini-Bugis warrior running around.


" Are the techniques similar to the use of a golok ? "


I wouldn't know if Malaysian golok techniques are similar to Indonesian style golok techniques since as I understand it, only the Jawa use the golok. Malaysian styles generally resemble Sumatran in technique and temperament.

Most Golok techniques in Malaysia conform to Arabic sword techniques. In Malay they're called Rencong Mengkuang (45 degree uppercut slash), Perpang Gantang (45 degree downward slash), Belah Pinang (a downward centre cut) and Baling Lembing (the thrust). I could be mistaken since most silat use this, but there could also be those that I haven't seen.

Additionally, guru Jamaludin also mentioned that the Madura (very hot-tempered Melayu from Madura) have very high skills in the cabang. I read that the late Donn F Draeger once commented on the Indonesian cabang skill (I don't remember which clan he was referring to) surpassed those of Japanese origin. From the way my teacher tells it, I would suspect it surpasses Malaysian skill as well.



Sources : http://silat-melayu.blogspot.com



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keris is for the lulz
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wavy=more surface=more stab area to enemy= WIN ?
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according to my chinese ancestor, malay sword builder is wack, even taking months of lesson from chinese sifu still cannot make a straight sharp sword.
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QUOTE(foxhound @ Apr 7 2009, 06:38 PM)
according to my chinese ancestor, malay sword builder is wack, even taking months of lesson from chinese sifu still cannot make a straight sharp sword.
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