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TSmadmoz
post Mar 25 2009, 10:07 PM, updated 17y ago

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Saving football from itself

Fans of American sports have long argued that what the rest of the world calls football could do a lot worse than take a long hard look itself before adopting some of the rules and that govern North American sports.

Well, it finally it looks like someone has been listening to that sage counsel.

The Financial Times reports that a delegation of no doubt very serious looking, suit-wearing types from UEFA were recently in the US on a fact finding mission where they held talks with Major League Baseball on the advantages of their so-called ''luxury tax'' and how a similar scheme could be introduced in European football.

In short the premise would see European football's richest clubs effectively subsidising smaller, less affluent sides by having a tax levied against them for paying exorbitant wages to star players.

UEFA would hope that as well as seeing the riches of elite level football trickle down to smaller clubs, the idea would also encourage clubs to curb their spending, thus resisting the temptation to borrow beyond their means and become saddled with dangerous levels of debt.

As part of MLB's collective bargaining agreement between the players' union and the team owners, a pay threshold is set for total annual player salaries ($155m for 2008).

Under the terms of the CBA, if a franchise exceeds the agreed level they must pay a tax of 40% on what they spend over the threshold. The monies are then pooled and redistributed through the MLB's Industry Growth Fund, which helps support and promote the sport.

In a UEFA variant, any limit on wages would presumably be agreed between UEFA itself and the European Club Association (the body which represents 137 clubs, including giants like Manchester United and Real Madrid) and all pooled monies would be redistributed to smaller teams.

How a team would qualify for the subsidy and exactly how much each team would receive from the pool are just some of the problems the luxury tax could expect to face in any future consultation, and that's before considering such thorny matters as the total salary limit itself, or what the taxable percentage would be.

It cannot be argued that UEFA president Michel Platini has not tried to address the financial concerns threatening the game since taking office in 2006, and one can sympathise with the resistance he and Europe's governing body have come up against.

However, while the often suggested salary cap has never come close to introduction because of issues with the European Union (which would effectively render any cap illegal because it could be argued that it restricts free movement of trade), a luxury tax could circumvent legal pitfalls because, although it would see the introduction of a salary cap, the crucial caveat would be that clubs would be allowed to exceed it.

Another idea under discussion at UEFA headquarters, and similarly aimed at protecting the clubs from themselves, could see squads limited to a maximum of 25 players. The rationale being that by restricting the size of their squads, teams would be able to cut wage costs accordingly.

While no-one could take against UEFA's basic objective, which is to ensure the health and wealth of all football at all levels, the problems lie in both the governing body's methods, which thus far have all been open to criticism, and, just as importantly, reluctance amongst clubs to accept criticism or adopt change, all of which they regard as autocratic and overbearing interference on UEFA's behalf.


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Sounds like a pretty decent idea?

This post has been edited by madmoz: Mar 25 2009, 10:22 PM
bitzboy
post Mar 25 2009, 11:31 PM

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Great idea smile.gif ...but like the article says, how does one justify which team should receive more money from the pool?...And what if the club is able to afford exceeding the salary cap as well as pay the taxes charged? True, the smaller,less richer teams receives support from the pool, but it might make the truly rich teams,..better? unsure.gif

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post Mar 26 2009, 05:59 AM

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QUOTE(bitzboy @ Mar 25 2009, 11:31 PM)
Great idea  smile.gif ...but like the article says, how does one justify which team should receive more money from the pool?...And what if the club is able to afford exceeding the salary cap as well as pay the taxes charged? True, the smaller,less richer teams receives support from the pool, but it might make the truly rich teams,..better?  unsure.gif
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As opposed to? Having this tax would directly increase rich clubs' wage bill by 40%. Maybe they would be more mindful before offering 100k PW contracts knowing that it would actually cost them 140 instead. The only worry is that rich club with a rich fanbase (Chelsea, Man U, etc.) would counter this by increasing their ticket and merchandise prices. At the end of the day, the ones that suffer might be the not so well off fans (ME!!!).
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post Mar 26 2009, 07:39 AM

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Its workable if its applied in a homogeneous region such as North America under one single body such as the NHL, NBA, NFL & MLB where they are dictated purely by the finite revenue stream and everescalating players wages.

Theres no way it gonna happen (chicken will groweth teeth before it happen) in Europe because of regional economic, political and social disparities. The rich European countries with large cash cows (EPL to wit) will not give up their economic model just to satisfy the football purist. Their incline is to beggar their neighbours and to continue their winning ways.


Added on March 26, 2009, 7:55 amTo make it workable theres only one solution. Restrict teams to fielding teams comprising of local players i.e EPL to English players, a drastic and draconian measure.

Its not gonna happen, workers from poorer regions flock to richer euro regions. Its just like saying you ensure polish auto workers in poland get the same as germans. Au-contraire to the notion of workers free movement European Union in the first place.

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TSmadmoz
post Mar 26 2009, 09:18 AM

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Player restrictions are a definite no go when it comes to the EU. As the article mentions, this is by no means a foolproof/perfect measure, but it is one that will legally be workable in the EU itself.
The only worry i have on this is that it will (in the first few seasons of implementation at least) benefit the elite clubs - clubs like the big 4 that can spend with impunity, for whom the 40% doesn't mean much. They will continue to spend and get stronger, while the clubs immediately below them (like Aston Villa, Everton etc) who are probably too large to qualify for the handout but at the same time not financially secure enough to take the 40% hit, will be left in the dust.
I for one would like to see UEFA imposing this in the major leagues by having the national FA's taxing and redistributing the wealth within their own national league structure. As mentioned by niuchin, it would be impossible to implement this homogeneously accross the EU.
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post Mar 26 2009, 09:33 AM

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I've always advocated that measures should be in place to curb the spending of football clubs. Not long ago there was a thread asking if we thought footballers were overpaid and I agreed they were. The average wage of footballers inflate like in no other industry. Niuchin was quick to point out a flaw in this system but nonetheless it's good to see that serious thought is being given to this issue. I may be a fan of Liverpool, amongst the richest clubs in the world but as a football fan, I don't like the way big clubs seem to be widening their gap at the top of the table. Average clubs can only cross their fingers and hope for some rich middle eastern Sheikh looking for a hobby to come along. How often has any club outside of the top four finished amongst them since the Premiership was introduced. How often has Barcelona and Real Madrid finished lower than fourth? Will anyone ever break the dominance of Ajax, PSV and to a lesser extent, Feyenoord? Will we see the likes of Hull challenge for the Premiership next season as Blackburn did a year after being promoted back in the day?

Even in F1, measures were put in place to level the playing field after Ferrari dominated for almost a decade. I don't know about the idea of luxury tax as I think the imposition of salary caps is the way to go.
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post Mar 26 2009, 10:28 AM

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I like the idea personally. Never been a fan of salary caps but this seems like a good compromise. But as someone pointed out what's there to stop clubs from passing on the extra expense on to the consumers ie the fans. Obviously there are still things to work out but at least this is a step in the right direction.
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QUOTE(verx @ Mar 26 2009, 10:28 AM)
I like the idea personally. Never been a fan of salary caps but this seems like a good compromise. But as someone pointed out what's there to stop clubs from passing on the extra expense on to the consumers ie the fans. Obviously there are still things to work out but at least this is a step in the right direction.
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I think they've considered this, I mean as it is clubs are facing a drop in attendance due to the current economic climate and are dropping ticket prices. At some point, fans will stop buying tickets and merchandise.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 26 2009, 11:04 AM)
I think they've considered this, I mean as it is clubs are facing a drop in attendance due to the current economic climate and are dropping ticket prices. At some point, fans will stop buying tickets and merchandise.
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Not the really rich ones. The demand is wayyy above supply for these clubs. Which kinda defeats the purpose of this tax if these clubs don't feel the pinch.

 

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