really o? thanks for ur info!
anyway..all chat at here only about the quality of education..
other than that? haha~

ya lo..also dont dare put my future there..
maybe i will take diploma and see the changes between both U 1st..
if not..continuos messy like dis,my future gone

maybe uniten also..since so many ppl recommend it..haha

local uni can in meh = =
not taking stpm wor..
sumr take adi stpm not 100% can choose the course

matric 90% for bumi's..have to compete with people to get it..and my financial prob not so serious..better left for the ppl who really needs it..
STPM , hard ==! im kinda lazy,go in sure die..

i took STPM~ seriously, in my humble opinion, university studies is tougher than STPM if I factor in the time allocated~ approximately 1 1/2 years for 4 subjects vs. 18 subjects in the same amount of time in the university~ besides, although coursework in the university can be a helping factor, the marking of the STPM is fair and just~ for my year, almost everyone got their second choice and the rest, they got their first choice for public uni~

/off topic
What do you mean by "what are those lecturers doing..  "? FYI they (lecturers) do help the students out; the problem resides at the students themselves. After all, it is the students themselves who answer/copy whatever they submit (exams/assignments/tutorials/reports/etc). What i'm trying to say is, the situation here might be a bit messy, but i don't think it's proper to say that it is caused by high failure rates.

haha
1st
    UTAR has cheaper fee? MMU fees is higher but you can get a loan what. MMU loan can up to 48K for engineering student!!
   

2nd
      MMU don have good reputation this year but MMU is always better then UTAR so far. you know UTAR engineering not   
      recognized by BEM and MQA????????MMU doesn't have this kind of problem.
         
3rd 
    MMU or UTAR student can easy get the PTPTN .

4th
    UTAR got Kampar so what? you know you are actually need a car or motor if you study in Kampar because student need to
    walk almost 1KM from entrance to the campus????? Kampar have less shoping centre thats mean Kampar are less 
    developing????Kampar food is really cheap and sedap if you don't mind to travel 1KM from school to food stalk.haha
           

5th
    MMU got many lenglui. This one i sure!!!

  so...........................................................
                                                                MMU

hahaha.. bro.. if the students are damn lazy and play online games n skipping class what to do?
the lecturers in mmu are great.. but not all.. mostly...
been studyin there for 3 years...
i had a friend failed every subject in a semester..
u know y?
games, chick, lazy, sleepyhead, lepak..


hehe... sorry berceramah bro..
thats what i see in mmu..
so many rich students there dont appreciate their parents money..
haha!
hehehe.. btw choose MMU!
haha

transformer movie car pulak~
if like dis,not study adi..
is compete how rich among the student
and compete how many gf's they able to get at 1 time
haha

Quality tat i meant are lecturer's teaching, examination questions, some of the UTAR's lecturer were lazy teaching, n juz giving off tips for their students during finals, dont even care bout their student ability. Their students tend to rely on tips n become lazier ti study n juz hope for tips ==

But according to my fren who's studying in mmu, their lecturer r hardworking enuff, good in teaching, everything r clear, unlike UTAR's lecturer, teach as to faster finish class, sometime students dun even clear wat thy were taught.

anyone know UTAR in kampar good or not??
facilities like sport complex,gym,swimming pool..
near with food court and supermarket ?

Yes we do, but the lecturers oso shouldn't be too cincai de ma.

But I think enviroment will be MMU. Kampar is too ulu, maybe its still consider new.

from kampar to ipoh i think we have to spend almost 45 minutes because i lcome from ipoh. They have to travel almost 30++km to go ipoh.

lenglui is a factor of choosing college for guys?

cyberjaya ( MMU ) vs kampar (UTAR) which more ulu ? haha