Just want to compare which 1 better..
compare everything here..study enviroment,facilities,fees,reputation..
anything u can say

erm, there is a similar thread just below your thread. why do you wanna make a new one.

Also, please state your choice of course.

This post has been edited by jasperng: Mar 24 2009, 12:14 PM

use the search button

tat one specific for engineering = =!
here talk everything..haha
for me..i'm persue-ing information system engineering course..
just wait the offer letter

which university are you waiting for their offer ?

TARC and UTAR..MMU i got it already..
so,thinking and comparing..

tarc is out of the question.. utar and mmu... these are ur choices... however since utar is rather new... i would suggest mmu, but it would cost more.

yup , exclude TARC. MMU is reputable for IT and electronic enginering. You should go for that.

but i get MMU is foundation cannot loan o = =

Foundation in MMU can get PTPTN loan, and also YTM loan. When you enter degree, you'll need to apply again.

i think MMU should be better..

really o? thanks for ur info!


anyway..all chat at here only about the quality of education..
other than that? haha~

haha, when choosing uni, other than the quality of education, i also emphasize on campus life lo..
campus life is important since you are going to live there for 3 to 4 years..

Multimedia University thread



do u even see any MMU advertisement in The Star newspaper? i see none, this is how serious the admin of MMu has become~

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Added on March 22, 2009, 10:56 pmLaw faculty started for an estimated 3 years, it's best that you call MMu to ask~ by the way, also bear in mind that MMu has not been providing information regarding policy change that may be a valid reason for accreditation termination~

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Added on March 22, 2009, 10:58 pmshould be around 44k

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Added on March 22, 2009, 11:03 pm2nd year students amounting to 50% had failed their Fluid Mechanics and the appeal to have a class to avoid prolonging graduation has been replied with 3 words -> "not enough manpower" pls look at the earlier link regarding the abolishment of W model issue for the answer to your question regarding the new administration after Prof Ghauth went to UM, 1 dean and 2 lecturers went over to UTAR

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Added on March 22, 2009, 11:06 pmthere has been rumours on TM giving out MMU tender but no one accepted~ if this were to be true, is it a case of TM selling MMu? could it be linked to the lack of advertisements and sudden increase of failure rates if all these are true? just food for thought

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Added on March 22, 2009, 11:10 pmi believe that enquiring is good only if u get answers~ here, take a look, u be the judge~ President's "Foreword" page, "Coming Soon" even when the President is here for almost a year

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Added on March 22, 2009, 11:12 pmit's true that Ghauth is no more in MMu and that lecturers and even a Dean of FOE has went to UTAR, are the new policies which are implemented even in the exam unit and the bell curve from the new president?
I'd strongly recommend that u stay away from mechanical as the failure rate is very high, u can check the failure rates by downloading the list of students who failed in the bulletin board -> bulletin.mmu.edu.my

i happen to have a downloaded file, sem1 of 2008/2009 (change the extention from .doc to .xls as .xls is not allowed in LYN), i counted 83 students failing fluid mechanics, total students were 160, that's 50%

well, from my opinion, i don't see why MMu don't wanna earn more if they can~ i think u can check from bulletin board that one of the SRC had put on a thread on starting a class, poor fella~ my advice is that u check the bulletin board for the last semester and then talk directly to him and ask, he's still in SRC after all

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Added on March 23, 2009, 12:08 amstandard depends on many factors, supply and demand being one, the government & money being another and nearer to student, it's the professional bodies and in-campus politics~ let me tell u, CPA reported last month that they were not aware of the policy change of MMu, they didn't know about the W model~ so account students, take note~ when a new president comes in with new policies, can u say no to it, i wonder~ will a Dean say no? everyone is working for a payslip at the end of the month and dare u say no to the boss?

as for the W model, it has been implemented and will not be changed from what I've read in the SRC blog

i'm in social university aka working, fortunately~ my sis is in MMu~

the word "engineering" means "the process of making"~ most of the time, in profession, the word refers to physical and tangible objects and therefore, we get electrical and electronics engineerings (circuit board), mechanical engineering (engine), robotics engineering (automation) but when it comes to software engineering, u'll be making softwares through building computer codes and then compiling them to become programs~

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Added on March 23, 2009, 8:07 pmu're right, it's not fair to say that high failure rates makes a university bad~ in my opinion, asking "why would high failure rate happen in the first place?" would be a better question~ thanks for your post and lets have a look. here are some possible opinions to why there are high failure rates :
- One of Utar's professor who is an associate dean mentioned that there are measures that ensure that failure rates as high as 50% would not happen (logic : there may be a thorough discussion prior to a policy and not just implementing)

- who will be responsible when students fail? (logic : 1) the intake policy, 2) lecturers' final questions relating to what he/she has taught 3) the quality of the education from the aforementioned lecturer, 4) policies which does not have space for any adjustments in case of human error like the abolished W model, 5) the students' studies) even if it is the students who are at fault here, it wouldn't be as logic as the aforementioned logic 1 - 4, i wonder "which student doesn't want to pass?" by the way, do u know that if u get just a credit in science and maths, you can be admitted to MMu in the year I enrolled?

- quality of MMu declining before the abolishment of W model? any proof on this one? (logic : I've seen with my own eyes the past year question papers available from the library and I advice u to have a look as well)

- pls be aware that there has been pre-requisites in all courses in MMu at this moment~ any failure of most of the subjects, i estimate 90% of the subjects, would mean that a student has to extend at least 1 year in order to graduate if he/she doesn't want to squeeze that particular subject into the already packed university schedule (logic : an estimated 95% of the subjects offered will only be offered in 1 specified semester and none other, if a person fails a subject, he/she has to wait 1 academic year in order to retake it) will the future students of MMu have to grad with 4 - 6years as opposed to other university students? we're here to learn, not only here to be forced to waste time and be graded~

full PhD academic staff... I'll vote u as student representative, my friend~ but not as a president~ no pain no gain~ full PhD academic staff would burn a hole in every student's wallet, as well as having low efficiency for those PhD staffs because they are the only ones who can provide Masters~ if they are going to provide Masters, these students have to choose between part-time or full-time~ If part-time Masters pursuers are not allowed to be lecturers, the cost of maintaining the academic staff would be tremendous and then the square one question arises, why not let Masters qualified PhD pursuers be part-time lecturers to save cost? I guess that shed some light~

thanks for your questions, I think u helped a lot in clearing doubts~

a bit worry to MMU le = =
so many this kinda rumour and feedback

these are truth and they are facts :
- MMu abolished W model aka bell curve
- 83 students failed one subject in sem1 of 08/09 (roughly 50%, u are free to refer to the file or check MMu's bulletin)
- near 4,000 students failed in sem1 of 08/09 (total population nears 10k)
- lack of manpower has been mentioned in faculty of engineering
- the President, 1 Dean and 2 lecturers left MMu in the last academic year to UTAR & UM (for the President)
- nearly a year of the arrival of the new president, his welcoming speech remains 2 words -> "coming soon"


here are facts from elsewhere :
- CPA Australia confirmed that they were not notified regarding the W model policy change (it's their business to know)
- one of Utar's professor who is an associate dean mentioned that there are measures that ensure that failure rates as high as 50% would not happen

I have not seen ANY advertisement by MMU in The Star newspaper although there has been a special education section which featured at least 20 other institutions' write-ups and advertisements

generally, I'm looking at MMu from afar, students who are studying presently should know better~

MMU looks messy.. why so many student fail one.. what are those lecturers doing..

ya lo..also dont dare put my future there..
maybe i will take diploma and see the changes between both U 1st..
if not..continuos messy like dis,my future gone

dont feel so disappointed first.. still got other choice other than this 2 uni?

maybe uniten also..since so many ppl recommend it..haha

This post has been edited by RainJR: Mar 24 2009, 11:19 PM

didnt think about local uni?

local uni can in meh = =
not taking stpm wor..
sumr take adi stpm not 100% can choose the course

I have friends who studied in MMU and UTAR before. From what I can make out, they both are just as good as each other Oh, I think graduates from MMU speak better English than UTAR's

that's because of study enviroment
most of UTAR-ian are chinese

ya, not 100% can get the course you want.. so you didnt decide to study STPM or matric?

matric 90% for bumi's..have to compete with people to get it..and my financial prob not so serious..better left for the ppl who really needs it..
STPM , hard ==! im kinda lazy,go in sure die..

matric nevermind, but matric really very easy to enter local uni lo.. almost all chinese can get 4.0 and get into local uni..
STPM is a bit hard la, but not as hard as you think lo..
the subject in uni lagi harder than STPM.. i also headache..

i took STPM~ seriously, in my humble opinion, university studies is tougher than STPM if I factor in the time allocated~ approximately 1 1/2 years for 4 subjects vs. 18 subjects in the same amount of time in the university~ besides, although coursework in the university can be a helping factor, the marking of the STPM is fair and just~ for my year, almost everyone got their second choice and the rest, they got their first choice for public uni~

haha, very very agree with you..
"approximately 1 1/2 years for 4 subjects vs. 18 subjects in the same amount of time in the university"

and the text book for each subject is 300-600 pages that type..

walao = =
but i apply adi uni's..
and my mum wil very happy if direct in uni's
cuz they think that can direct in uni's sure pandai 1..
wad a weird thinking

MMU is better
MMU's course recognized by LAN and BEM
MMU's cost is cheaper
MMU have good reputation
MMU student can get PTPTN
MMU have good environment(ayer hitam,malacca)
MMU got many lenglui


MMU

LOLD HARD A ABOVE POST

/off topic
What do you mean by "what are those lecturers doing.. "? FYI they (lecturers) do help the students out; the problem resides at the students themselves. After all, it is the students themselves who answer/copy whatever they submit (exams/assignments/tutorials/reports/etc). What i'm trying to say is, the situation here might be a bit messy, but i don't think it's proper to say that it is caused by high failure rates.

/end of off topic

Also, sorry to be direct, but sexualpower sure is puttin' much effort into discouraging people to enroll into MMU.

The jubz has spoken Hello~ haha!

Anyway, why aren't people looking at high failure rate the positive way? High failure rate can also mean the standard of MMU exams are very high.

how u noe MMU is better?
UTAR is cheaper fyi
MMU have good reputation but not in this year
UTAR student lagi easy get PTPTN
UTAR got kampar
UTAR got leng lui? this i cannot confirm
so......which is better? i also dont know, but i apply UTAR adi, later apply MMU

ohh.. rupa-rupanya is student problem.. but students now all also copy assignment one.. assignment really hard to do la..

haha
1st
UTAR has cheaper fee? MMU fees is higher but you can get a loan what. MMU loan can up to 48K for engineering student!!


2nd
MMU don have good reputation this year but MMU is always better then UTAR so far. you know UTAR engineering not
recognized by BEM and MQA????????MMU doesn't have this kind of problem.

3rd
MMU or UTAR student can easy get the PTPTN .

4th
UTAR got Kampar so what? you know you are actually need a car or motor if you study in Kampar because student need to
walk almost 1KM from entrance to the campus????? Kampar have less shoping centre thats mean Kampar are less
developing????Kampar food is really cheap and sedap if you don't mind to travel 1KM from school to food stalk.haha


5th
MMU got many lenglui. This one i sure!!!

so...........................................................




MMU

haha, from 5 reasons above, your answer sure is MMU..
hehe, i like the 5th reason..

If u could afford the fees in mmu, it wud be better for u to choose mmu. Talking bout courses, as my opinion studying in utar, mmu wud have a better quality in everything. UTAR wasn't bad too, its campus in kampar, perak, realli have a better study environment, heaven for those student who don mind a place without entertaiment.

how much the fee if i take foundation + degree ?? the course tat i choose is IT.........
i get more than 5 C in SPM...my english got C n math got A,,,,,,
but i hav no C in any science subject........
can i take foundation of course IT in MMU?

I'm a final Eng student from MMU. I think I can give some view on faculty of engineering cyberjaya.

true facts:
-ppl cant see any intake ad, but if u flip through classified, u will c MMU is hiring lots of lecturers.. MMU is really short of lecturers. Currently this is my final sem, I'm taking 2 subjects +FYP. imagine the 2 subjects was taught by 2 new lecturer which i can say with no teaching experience.
- 1 president, 2 deans, lots of assoc dean and senior lecturers resigned and move out of MMU. I can say 80% move to UTAR.
- Clubs and association activities is getting lesser and lesser. the campus is so boring now. MMUians should know how "happening" is MMU last year compare to this year, activities like GDC, tournaments and pasar malam..


I know that UTAR is still new, but the one controlling it is MMU ex-faculty of engineering dean aka vice president. He and gauth are the man behind the success of MMU. Why MMU degree was recognised by BEM and industry because he have the know how to set the course outline relevant to current requirements.

So what i can see that, UTAR will be a better Uni. they have tons of money, good research facility and handful of good lecturers. Minus point is, Kampar is a bit ulu la, no entertainment.

if u wan more personal advice, do pm me. will try to help..

wow, looks like UTAR will be growing rapidly in next few years.

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Added on March 28, 2009, 12:55 amJust wondering why does this happened suddenly ? why most of them moved to UTAR ? izzit because salary ? or politic in MMU ? lol

This post has been edited by jasperng: Mar 28 2009, 12:55 AM

hahaha.. bro.. if the students are damn lazy and play online games n skipping class what to do?
the lecturers in mmu are great.. but not all.. mostly...
been studyin there for 3 years...
i had a friend failed every subject in a semester..
u know y?
games, chick, lazy, sleepyhead, lepak..


hehe... sorry berceramah bro..
thats what i see in mmu..
so many rich students there dont appreciate their parents money..
haha!



hehehe.. btw choose MMU!
haha

This post has been edited by Alex Chillax: Mar 28 2009, 03:14 AM

i see i see.. rupa-rupanya is students problem.. but at least dont fail ma..
really admire those rich students.. can do whatever they wish..

lecturers' role in education is not small~ they control the quality of education when they lecture, they control your grades when they bring in examination questions and they are involved in carry over marks~

anyway, do u have any idea how high we're talking about here? the statistics provided by SRC on Cyberjaya as well as a sample list of failures from Malacca (in .xls) file can be downloaded from the MMu thread~

only speaking the truth, i'm here to provide information~ if you think that there are anything encouraging about MMU, pls write it here so that it can benefit the applicants~ I hope that instead of just saying that A is not studying, therefore he should fail or B is writing bad things about MMu, he should die (I write based on facts and my opinions, which are as concise as I can go in helping)~ well, u could write something on-topic to help applicants decide~

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Added on March 28, 2009, 11:01 amit always come back to lecturers~

This post has been edited by sexualpower: Mar 28 2009, 11:01 AM

Doesn't matter where you study. As long as you are good at what you do, you will be able to impress your interviewers in the future.

Study in MMU doesn't mean you will go very far. Don't judge the institute, judge yourself.

BTW, if you are choosing between campuses, why not choose according to location and convenience? If you stay in Melaka, then MMU is a better choice. Likewise for UTAR campuses.

1st
loan need to repay, just reminding~

2nd
to your question, which i assume is a question as it isn't a fact and there are so many question marks at the back~ courses that are recognized or not depends on many factors, which are partially available at the MQA webby and answer is here -> http://www.utar.edu.my/subcontentPage1.jsp...tid=465&catid=3

3rd
UTAR was formed by MCA, I don't know the chances for getting PTPTN here as I have never studied there but MMu students can get PTPTN at a high %

4th
Cyberjaya MMu need car or motor as the campus is at least 500m away, the nearest faculty would be engineering, then followed by the business faculty~ any idea how it is in Cyberjaya? only 1 bus to connect u to the Putrajaya bus station~ Malacca campus, always can't find parking, got car also useless, need to park outside of the campus and then walk in~ no idea about Kampar but then again, how far do u need to travel from Cyberjaya to KL for shopping? food for thought, i think it's at least 15km to any proper civilization~ around 2km away from Malacca campus, u have Jusco and Malacca Mall, the new one~

5th
u sure? have u been to Kampar?~ any idea how big it is? I've been in MMu and had 1 gf during my first year but after that, can't even find a leng lui~

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Added on March 28, 2009, 11:20 amquality... it's a big word.. i don't think after writing over 200 words can i come to any conclusion~ but i'd like to add that you should be your own judge on what quality means to you~ is it facilities? lecturers' teaching? examination questions? the things books don't teach u? the administration and policies? the list seems endless~ I'll be more than happy to help on the MMu side~

This post has been edited by sexualpower: Mar 28 2009, 11:20 AM

Girls are not important when choosing universities...moreover, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Kampar is a small town. The newest place you can go shopping, if i'm not mistaken, is Tesco. Other than that, there aren't many places you can go. As for food, you can always have chicken biscuit for snacks~ I love it. Nearest area with better "lepak" places would be Ipoh. Or you can go Teluk Intan to see the Menara Condong Teluk Intan.

Regarding the fluid mechanics I and fluid mechanics II these two subject are the hardest in bachelor of mechanical engineering, i was the graduation of this course from MMU few years ago, so i know well about the toughest of this subject, but at my time there, only 10 -20 % fail rate for this subject, i not sure how come the fail rate of my junior batch increase so much, or MMU try to increase the standard and mark follow by ISO ...

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Added on March 28, 2009, 12:37 pmAnyway, that subject only for ME, but not for other engineering like EE, CE, Tele and other faculty course like IT, accounting and business .. if you not plan to take ME, that is nothing to worried about ...

This post has been edited by Terryzai2009: Mar 28 2009, 12:37 PM

haha i wish i have money like em too!
dang... drivin the latest cars to campus..
bmw, honda, toyota..
dang! students shud drive cars like in the transformers movie!
hahaha..

transformer movie car pulak~
if like dis,not study adi..
is compete how rich among the student
and compete how many gf's they able to get at 1 time
haha

drive BMW to school, how yeng is it you know..
all girls sure looks at you..

As i know, without any credit for science subject, mmu will not accept ur request.

haha..
come utar.. bcz i am UTARian here..

Quality tat i meant are lecturer's teaching, examination questions, some of the UTAR's lecturer were lazy teaching, n juz giving off tips for their students during finals, dont even care bout their student ability. Their students tend to rely on tips n become lazier ti study n juz hope for tips ==

now uni is tends to like this..

But according to my fren who's studying in mmu, their lecturer r hardworking enuff, good in teaching, everything r clear, unlike UTAR's lecturer, teach as to faster finish class, sometime students dun even clear wat thy were taught.

haha, but now students like those lecturers that are cincai cincai one.. no need to do so many things..

mmu got awesome lecturers!
hahaha.. give tips before midterms and exams...
so u can answer them easily during the finals!
wakkakakaa..
so thats y one of the reasons i like mmu lecturers..

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Added on March 29, 2009, 5:58 pmhhahaha.. no ler...
i mean the old camaro..
hehehehe..
students shud drive old cars.. hehehe..
not that old la..
drivin luxury cars just show off how rich u are le...
hehehe..



This post has been edited by Alex Chillax: Mar 29 2009, 05:58 PM

anyone know UTAR in kampar good or not??
facilities like sport complex,gym,swimming pool..
near with food court and supermarket ?

haha, i know there is a tesco there..

Yes we do, but the lecturers oso shouldn't be too cincai de ma.

i have never heard any semester where UTAR business studies lecturers don't give out tips though~ FEST~

i wana mention what i had tell early.
1st
i noe loan need to pay. let say if you doesn't have enough money to pay the bill initially, YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO CONTINUE.we can just pay after we have income.Ii hope you understand

2nd
I change my tone.
MMU's ENGINEERING IS RECOGNISED BY BEM AND MQA.

3rd
you are right. UTAR was formed by MCA, but why UTAR engineering doesn't recognised by BEM?Its the MCA contribute in our very local university????? Even the MCA also canot make a brief explanation on this issue, hw can we know??????

4th
Do you have ever go to Kampar before. the place is just like a small town with kampung around it. If you just wana go for study without entertainment, the campus there is definitely a best place for you. But if you want to coloring your 4 year university life in your life, sorry i may say this is not really a good place for you.

5th
i may say different glasses different vision.

haha, true also..
but if lecturer hardworking, then we suffer..
if lecturer lazy, then we cant learn many things..
haih, dont know which one is better..

The passing rates in Utar is quite good if compare to MMU. Surprising that the failing rate in MMU quite high like in Ktar. Maybe it is tougher to pass or student there are forgetten their duty.

Both university still consider new and in my opinion both are quite good. But MMU have out number of foreign student, maybe this can force you to speak more english.

But I think enviroment will be MMU. Kampar is too ulu, maybe its still consider new.

hehe, kampar just a small town.. nothing can do there.. during weekend, kampar people will go ipoh shopping..

from kampar to ipoh i think we have to spend almost 45 minutes because i lcome from ipoh. They have to travel almost 30++km to go ipoh.

MMu better than UTAR thats wad i think...

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Added on March 30, 2009, 9:11 amthan get a rented room there rather than driving 30 km + ware and tear of ur own car... =.= + time (priceless)

better rite ?

This post has been edited by jarod89: Mar 30 2009, 09:11 AM

haha, no worry about those kampar people, they live in kampar already very sien, so during weekend although it takes 45 minutes to go ipoh, they also willing to spend the time to go one, especially those young people..

another reason would be because ipoh has alot of leng lui ^^ ....

lenglui is a factor of choosing college for guys?

Many of them will actually concern about this.

so true..im from malacca and one of the reason i didn't want to go mmu its becoz u can hardly see any leng lui there....i noe this coz i got alot fren study at mmu malacca ;D and 2nd reason becoz alot of nigga thr....but of coz mmu sure have more entertainment compare to utar..

haha, actually girls quite important in a guy's life in campus..

cyberjaya ( MMU ) vs kampar (UTAR) which more ulu ? haha

erm, dont know how cyberjaya looks like, but should be more advance than kampar la..
i think kampar more ulu la, because it is just a small town..

True, I'll be more scared if the that college have almost no fail. The standard would be low and same like during pmr and spm time..

Anyway, MMU or UTAR, it's all up to you. I already apply for MMU because I choose to (with reason of my own)...
It's all up to you in the end..

This post has been edited by spitfire111: Apr 1 2009, 01:24 PM

my mum now keep push me to UTAR even MMU at KL..wad the ==

explain to her why you want to study in MMU..

she lazy to bother me ==
she just listen to my cousin who work at UTAR as officer

rupa-rupanya your cousin work in UTAR, no wonder she want you to enter UTAR..
maybe you can tell her choosing a right uni for yourself is very important for your future..

if 50% failure rate doesn't bother you and the higher the better, MMU is for u, meanwhile this was what others said :

Dr. Liang Meng Suan, Associate Professor of UTAR said failure rate never got as high as 50%
Dr. Peter of MMU's Engineering Faculty Dean (Malacca) has been saying "not enough manpower when students requested for class"
Mr Yau Sing Hing @ Yeow Sing Hing of UTAR mentioned that a 50% failure rate is green light for BEM to revise it's accreditation on MMU
a CPA personnel at The Gardens South Tower, Midvalley mentioned that MMU did not inform them of policy change in W model when they should[/B]

it's the best to follow your mind and let your heart lead~ tat way, u can't blame anyone else if u made a bad choice~

i've given a lot of info on MMU and a little on what one admin and one academic staff said~ to give anymore info is useless if location and urban or rural and got leng lui or not are your most important criterion, i think a geography expert, a community development expert and a leng lui expert would be best in this thread~

lastly, i'd like to say, look from the big picture, UTAR is a non-government organisation(NGO) that was built for the sake of Msians~ it's having benefits of political ties yet does not need to let the government lead, through the years, I've seen it take initiatives to lead the government~

check out UTAR vs MMU

[quote=matti,Mar 29 2009, 10:15 PM]

3rd
you are right. UTAR was formed by MCA, but why UTAR engineering doesn't recognised by BEM?Its the MCA contribute in our very local university????? Even the MCA also canot make a brief explanation on this issue, hw can we know??????


To answer your queries, the reason is because UTAR just got it licence 2 start the class at 2005 July(4 mech eng, mechatronic later,e&e not sure), n the course officially started at Jan 2006. As every1 noe engineering course takes 4 yrs 2 complete, now is 2009, the 1st batch student havent graduate yet. When there is no product, how do u expect BEM 2 recognised the course? BEM nid 2 evaluate the 1st batch graduated students i.e how much they r employ, the percentage etc.

This info is according 2 the lecturers at Faculty of Engineering during Kampar, Setapak, n PJ campus open day

The ISO marking sceme is really killing MMUianz it is in UNITEN also

This post has been edited by Bigblock: Apr 2 2009, 02:43 PM

in my opinion, there is no such thing as abolishment of W model in ISO standard, otherwise, where would UM, USM and UKM rank in the world university ranking? the international news on a PhD marker on adjusting only one student's marks instead of adjusting all students' marks (which is stated as a norm as mentioned in paper this week)~ therefore, adjustment of marks should be the norm and ISO should be allowing it~

Good thread for me~ btw i also choosing between mmu and utar also~ can get alot opinion & advise here

is marketing in utar ok>?
sungai long isit?
ok bo?

Just got my Offer letter from Utar. I had 2 pay RM3169 4 my Science foundation fee!!!
And the latest date 2 made the payment is by 20th April. The worse part unlike MMU, Uniten or other u, they 1 u 2 pay that amount at 1 shot when I contact Utar!!

Btw is Utar's foundation accepted by MMU? Ask 4 curiosity onli

yes, its accepted

although i'm not taking marketing in UTAR, i can tell that it's quite good and this course is already shifted to Kampar, Perak. no longer in Sungai Long.