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post Mar 22 2009, 09:18 PM, updated 17y ago

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Anyone using it now? is this product able to save the TNB monthly billing?
Or just a gimmick even though approved by sirim?
Seem they have their booth for each property exhibition... doubt that their product able to bring the benefit to us...
It claim able to stabilize the current flow, impower power efficiency, reduce wire temperature and prolong life span of electric appliances...

http://www.e2saver.com.my
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post Mar 22 2009, 09:26 PM

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im read some review and comment before..forgot abt link...
overall= suk!

some cust says..first bill decreast but next month...back to normal...
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post Mar 22 2009, 09:36 PM

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http://forums.treehugger.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6271
http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/powerfactor.html

It's a power factor correction device.
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post Mar 22 2009, 10:28 PM

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so overall it just a gimmick only?
it worth RM359 if no mistaken...

hence my new house using 3 phase wiring...
according to brouchers, it said required 1 unit for each phase... means RM1k for that things... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Mar 22 2009, 10:28 PM)
so overall it just a gimmick only?
it worth RM359 if no mistaken...

hence my new house using 3 phase wiring...
according to brouchers, it said required 1 unit for each phase... means RM1k for that things...  sweat.gif
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and u buy lah adn post ur feedback here..heheheh
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post Mar 23 2009, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(Witchblade @ Mar 23 2009, 09:36 PM)
and u buy lah adn post ur feedback here..heheheh
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budget constraint for my new house oledi joh... sweat.gif
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I saw them promoting at certain shopping malls but I think the response isn't good. Maybe you can't notice the difference for residential area, perhaps a factory? Not sure about that also. Can't really comment much.
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QUOTE(agape_ian @ Mar 24 2009, 04:47 PM)
I saw them promoting at certain shopping malls but I think the response isn't good. Maybe you can't notice the difference for residential area, perhaps a factory? Not sure about that also. Can't really comment much.
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Motor or those electrical device that will cause lag in your AC current, may be only will beneficiary from the power factor improvement. Ordinary lighting which doesn't causing power factor lag, you won't notice it at all.

All factories are installing capacitor on the MCB as TNB's requirement is power factor can't be less than 0.85 or 85% otherwise, they will penalty you.
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so means that it almost zero value for resident areas? unless the houses heavy air con usage...
right?
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post Mar 24 2009, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Mar 24 2009, 05:17 PM)
so means that it almost zero value for resident areas? unless the houses heavy air con usage...
right?
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Just back from Ace Ikano they have demo unit there. After the e2saver is ON can see the Current reading on the Amp meter drop from 1.5A to 0.7A.
I saw before a bridal house in ss2 also using with 3 Phase using 3 units of this product.

Quite impressive thou... but the salesman kinda "Arrogant".


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QUOTE(spacepilot @ Mar 24 2009, 06:07 PM)
Just back from Ace Ikano they have demo unit there. After the e2saver is ON can see the Current reading on the Amp meter drop from 1.5A to 0.7A.
I saw before a bridal house in ss2 also using with 3 Phase using 3 units of this product.

Quite impressive thou... but the salesman kinda "Arrogant".
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From engineering point of view, it cannot drop at this kind of rate, as power factor correction is somehow like a few % up to teen number % improvement, unless the origin power is severely lag in the first place.

If you motor is 1HP (0.75KW) and running at its full capacity, your power consumption would be 750/230v = 3.26amp.
So if you want to consume 1.5amp to run at 1HP, there is no way unless you sacrifice the motor running speed only

Power = voltage x current (amp).

To have real and actual power saving, tell the salesman to install it in your house, then see the Amp drop how many, only then we can have actual figure to compare. Otherwise, any demo unit can be customised to show extra-ordinary good effect.


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oh , The ENERGY SAVER thing..... I think there's another Brand beside E2....

I saw the Demo , it was Quite impressive ...
its the Amp meter thingy which drop from 1.5A to 0.7A when u turn on the Product.......
the wat they claim is the Product will stabilize ur Electrical Current to prevent Electricty wastage.....if i am not wrong The Promo price is RM 199 per unit.... The salesman told me They have a 3 months Money Back Guarantee if Ur Electricity Bill does Not Reduce within that 3 Months...( The salesman say u need to Show the Proof as in the Bill Before using & the Bill After... )

& think there will be more of this kinda Product coming to our market..... biggrin.gif

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this kind of item exist long time ago, wander why the price keep increasing? if not mistaken before i go to us in 2003 i saw ppl selling in midvalley for rm99 now wah rm300 till 1k also got. any one can give solid testimony? 1.5a to 0.7a like 40% saving ler tongue.gif

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post Mar 27 2009, 11:46 PM

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I'm using it since last year but i don't see the diff in my TNB bill. So, i don't encourage to buy.
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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Mar 27 2009, 11:46 PM)
I'm using it since last year but i don't see the diff in my TNB bill. So, i don't encourage to buy.
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Oh Really ar ...

ANY1 Else also uses it But NO REDUCTIONS In the Electrical Bill ???.... Or Got Savings instead ??...

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same here sad.gif - bought the E2 saver and have been monitoring it for the last 2 months. So far no savings yet. Will take it to the vendor for refund if no diff in electric bill tis month too vmad.gif
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QUOTE(slyren00 @ Apr 1 2009, 01:41 PM)
same here sad.gif - bought the E2 saver and have been monitoring it for the last 2 months. So far no savings yet. Will take it to the vendor for refund if no diff in electric bill tis month too vmad.gif
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Maybe its the anti-libido effect? I mean when you bought the device in hope to help you save $$. then you proceed to "over-use" your electricity as there's a e-saver to help you lessen the bill. In the end, the bill value is not much difference from previous.

my 2 cents smile.gif


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It is a PF CORRECTION and only work for motorised mechanism. if you are electrical wise, just buy some capacitor and diy and, plug into the wall socket. but, of course not recommended.

lastly, it is a scam product.
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don't bother with this product, i've tried and after two mths asked for a refund.....i had also asked myself if i unconsciously 'over-used' and went to the extent of measuring the usage on daily basis for few days, with and without the device....no diff
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Do not buy this product. I have tried it few years ago. After 3month usage, no different. Take back for refund and show them my bill. The manager bla, bla, bla and ask me try again. Lastly cause some surge current and blow my few adaptor and trip my breaker. Take it out and throw it away.
To save current, Just change your fluresent light to energy saving bilb. Use inverter aircon and reduce the heater running product. Nowaday, electrical item already have this kind of energy saving device.

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No one can defy the law of science. As simple as that.

Power = amp x voltage

You can only improve the efficiency within the motor working area, but you cannot use 0.5amp to run as same as 1.0 amp of power needed.
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QUOTE(slyren00 @ Apr 1 2009, 12:41 PM)
same here sad.gif - bought the E2 saver and have been monitoring it for the last 2 months. So far no savings yet. Will take it to the vendor for refund if no diff in electric bill tis month too vmad.gif
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QUOTE(a6meister @ Apr 1 2009, 01:23 PM)
It is a PF CORRECTION and only work for motorised mechanism. if you are electrical wise, just buy some capacitor and diy and, plug into the wall socket. but, of course not recommended.

lastly, it is a scam product.
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QUOTE(cheezels21 @ Apr 1 2009, 10:53 PM)
don't bother with this product, i've tried and after two mths asked for a refund.....i had also asked myself if i unconsciously 'over-used' and went to the extent of measuring the usage on daily basis for few days, with and without the device....no diff
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 2 2009, 09:24 AM)
Do not buy this product. I have tried it few years ago. After 3month usage, no different. Take back for refund and show them my bill. The manager bla, bla, bla and ask me try again. Lastly cause some surge current and blow my few adaptor and trip my breaker. Take it out and throw it away.
To save current, Just change your fluresent light to energy saving bilb. Use inverter aircon and reduce the heater running product. Nowaday, electrical item already have this kind of energy saving device.
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Wah !! So Many Bad Feedback about this Product E2SAVER blink.gif ... so it didnt work lar.....

I Almost went & buy it already, luckily ..... Thanks guys.... nod.gif

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The one I bought last two months is like this one http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ectricity+saver

I monitor the meter every day as I am the only one in the house during day time. So Monday to Friday are having same pattern on electrical consumption i.e. computers and fridge. At night, only lighting, TV. No airconds are used during this test period.

The main power consumption is from fridge.

I have tried to put this device in many places. The current one I am placing it nearby the fridge and noticed there is reduction of electricity from daily 12KW to 9KW.

I have tested this for one week for the current location placed.

Today, I will move this device to other location and see whether it will be back to 12KW. Before this location, I placed it nearby the main phase but consumption is 10-12KW.

Will let you know after I have tested all places.
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Capacitor will push up the power factor if your current is lagging.
Lagging is caused by motor induction (generally it is the main culprit of lagging current), while ordinary lighting won't cause it.
If you have a power factor meter then whenever you start a motor, you will see the power factor dropping a bit.

Capacitor is not a power saving tool.

As said no one can defy the law of science, unless you can create an theory to re-write it all together.

Whatever power saving method inverter, saver etc is aim on improving efficiency not actually the term of save or using less as most people think of.

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check it with its current users, what is their experiences with it, and then proceed accordingly.
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QUOTE(jack2 @ Apr 2 2009, 05:30 AM)
The one I bought last two months is like this one http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ectricity+saver

I monitor the meter every day as I am the only one in the house during day time. So Monday to Friday are having same pattern on electrical consumption i.e. computers and fridge. At night, only lighting, TV. No airconds are used during this test period.

The main power consumption is from fridge.

I have tried to put this device in many places. The current one I am placing it nearby the fridge and noticed there is reduction of electricity from daily 12KW to 9KW.

I have tested this for one week for the current location placed.

Today, I will move this device to other location and see whether it will be back to 12KW. Before this location, I placed it nearby the main phase but consumption is 10-12KW.

Will let you know after I have tested all places.
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so whats the verdict?
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The best E-saver that I found in the market depend on your right hand finger! tongue.gif The more you switch on electrical stuff at home the higher the consumption. Its just like driving car. The more you drive the more petrol the car use. If you don't drive, the car stop consumption of petrol. smile.gif

don't waste money on marketing gimmick product. There is loads of them too for car especially those about fuel saving gadget but just too negligeble to notice the improvement over a very long period of time.

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was actually planning to but 1 for new house, seems like the feedback is not so encouraging.
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i have used this e2saver for more than 1 year since i moved to my new hse. my hse got 4 air-con (1 unit 1.5hp & 3 unit of 1hp) fully on for almost 24 hours and my bill is around RM200 plus on that month where my relative came to stay at my hse for one month. so far i am satisfied with it.
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i m using it as well. Saved me around RM 70 for the first month then the bill jump back up for the next month. I took it to my shop can give it a try, it saved me around RM 80 for the first month den next month no saving again.
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For what i know you have to put very close to the power hunger appliances such as air con then only will benefit more =).. Mornitor which appliances that use the most power like 2HP aircon... =)
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i thought we settled this issue before: you cannot save from those devises with home-meters since your power factor is irrelevant here and otherwise the laws of physics still apply. you can however use it as a reminder to think about your electricity cosumption and actively reduce it. but a post-it note is equally efficient for that wink.gif
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yup..it reduce the current but not the power....
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i bought it, work for one month only. I used it in my shop, saved RM 70+ for the first month, next month zero saving. Took it back to my house, saved RM 50+ den next month shoot up.
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I'm also using it but no difference at all on my TNB bill. wouldn't recc anyone to buy this product.
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this thing only effects big motor devices....especially on corporate/shops usage on big aircond etc....i think la...which will pull down the power factor
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QUOTE(doncityz @ Aug 15 2011, 07:44 AM)
Hi. Like to share some info about this device with you all. Not to brag, but I worked at an electronics design company for 8 years as a senior member there. I did a research on this item (such called power saver) before.

Few points to note.

1. Inside all of these boxes are just industrial non polar capacitors. You can get it at electronics shop for ~RM5 each.

2. The capacitors will indeed filter out the noise in electrical current, and thus making your total power reduced. This is because:

Total Power = Real Power + Reactive Power

The cap reduces reactive power.

3. Old TNB meters (those with spinning discs, measures TOTAL POWER), so if your house is still using that type of meter, using the caps will help to reduce your bill to a certain point. (especially if you use a lot of aircons/washing machines)

4. The NEW DIGITAL TNB meters is already designed to measure REAL POWER ONLY. So, TNB does not charge you for any reactive power that you use anymore (true for houses only, but for factories, tnb still charge for reactive power under a certain level of Power Factor).

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Secondly, I have tested a product (I will not mention brand) of such energy saver at my own house, over a period of 2 weeks, and there are basically no difference between having the device plugged in or not. (My house has the new TNB digital meter).

However, these people will still manage to make sales because,
power consumption fluctuates by a lot every month. Like for me, last month was, 170, this month is 155. So it is hard for buyers to say it doesnt work and claim back their money. lol. Also, since the price is something like RM388 or something, ppl who wanted to try paid by credit card. But the cc fee is non returnable. This is how they earn profits.

Anyway, just sharing. smile.gif
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I have tried it out myself for 3month. But the bill didn't show a single sen reduce. My house using old spin meter.

By the way, if I ask TNB to change my spin meter to new digital type, will help me reduce the bill?
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If your consumption is accurate, changing does not give saving.
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But base on what he explain, the old meter measure the total power instead the real power only. Hence, the bill is higher.

So does the new meter give me a better bill reduce? I don't no the consumption is accurate till a new meter is instal or try out.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Aug 15 2011, 01:42 PM)
But base on what he explain, the old meter measure the total power instead the real power only. Hence, the bill is higher.

So does the new meter give me a better bill reduce? I don't no the consumption is accurate till a new meter is instal or try out.
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You can do your math and estimate mah. If you have a 1hp a/c, try off all equipments, and see the meter run? if confirm no run then only on 1 a/c for 1 hours with lowest temperature. Sure you can get the reading from the meter.

Where you find the info of old meter using total power vs real power. Never know got such things, well maybe is a new research, definitely i have not read / hear before.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Aug 15 2011, 02:21 PM)
You can do your math and estimate mah. If you have a 1hp a/c, try off all equipments, and see the meter run? if confirm no run then only on 1 a/c for 1 hours with lowest temperature. Sure you can get the reading from the meter.

Where you find the info of old meter using total power vs real power. Never know got such things, well maybe is a new research, definitely i have not read / hear before.
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It is from doncityz wor. Pls read back what he wrote. It is total power = real power + reactive power for the old meter.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Aug 15 2011, 08:09 PM)
It is from doncityz wor. Pls read back what he wrote. It is total power = real power + reactive power for the old meter.
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That i don't know. Maybe he know better. I only know is all measuring Kilo-Watt for all meter.
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power factor was never factored in in residential meters as far as i know as power factor is only relevant in commercial applications/usage levels. anyone can supply a supportive source from TNB (not hearsay pls).
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Hi... I was thinking to buy 1 too... I'm staying in condominium and yes we don't have the electric meter in/outside our house... it's somewhere else in the building... so I wouldn't know it is the old spin meter or digital... but is it confirm that the device won't help if we are using the digital meter? I thought I heard news saying TNB will change all meter to digital?
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The recent news, TNB change some residential meter from analog to digital, end up house owner charge higher and TNB claim because owner stealing.

Another recent news, a house owner won a case of 2k+ bills after 4 years in court. Because TNB simply say they stealing electricity.
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thanks for sharing the info's guys ... i was interested to get one too ...but now i think i shouldn't ... hehe.
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Guess what. One of the selling point of hitachi dc inverter compressor is their pfc, power factor correction board....


Added on June 1, 2012, 2:51 amGuess what. One of the selling point of hitachi dc inverter compressor is their pfc, power factor correction board....

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