do u even see any MMU advertisement in The Star newspaper? i see none, this is how serious the admin of MMu has become~

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Added on March 22, 2009, 10:56 pmLaw faculty started for an estimated 3 years, it's best that you call MMu to ask~ by the way, also bear in mind that MMu has not been providing information regarding policy change that may be a valid reason for accreditation termination~

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Added on March 22, 2009, 10:58 pmshould be around 44k

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Added on March 22, 2009, 11:03 pm2nd year students amounting to 50% had failed their Fluid Mechanics and the appeal to have a class to avoid prolonging graduation has been replied with 3 words -> "not enough manpower" pls look at the earlier link regarding the abolishment of W model issue for the answer to your question regarding the new administration after Prof Ghauth went to UM, 1 dean and 2 lecturers went over to UTAR

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Added on March 22, 2009, 11:06 pmthere has been rumours on TM giving out MMU tender but no one accepted~ if this were to be true, is it a case of TM selling MMu? could it be linked to the lack of advertisements and sudden increase of failure rates if all these are true? just food for thought

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Added on March 22, 2009, 11:10 pmi believe that enquiring is good only if u get answers~ here, take a look, u be the judge~ President's "Foreword" page, "Coming Soon" even when the President is here for almost a year

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Added on March 22, 2009, 11:12 pmit's true that Ghauth is no more in MMu and that lecturers and even a Dean of FOE has went to UTAR, are the new policies which are implemented even in the exam unit and the bell curve from the new president?

This post has been edited by sexualpower: Mar 22 2009, 11:33 PM

I recommend software engineering and ISE under FIST faculty~ basically based on the fair pricing for having the priviledge of having lecturers who actually do research and development in the university itself~ lecturers who do that are actually very much towards the academic side~ as for engineering courses, I'm not so sure but I'd strongly recommend that u stay away from mechanical as the failure rate is very high, u can check the failure rates by downloading the list of students who failed in the bulletin board -> bulletin.mmu.edu.my

i happen to have a downloaded file, sem1 of 2008/2009 (change the extention from .doc to .xls as .xls is not allowed in LYN), i counted 83 students failing fluid mechanics, total students were 160, that's 50%

well, from my opinion, i don't see why MMu don't wanna earn more if they can~ i think u can check from bulletin board that one of the SRC had put on a thread on starting a class, poor fella~ my advice is that u check the bulletin board for the last semester and then talk directly to him and ask, he's still in SRC after all

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Added on March 23, 2009, 12:08 amstandard depends on many factors, supply and demand being one, the government & money being another and nearer to student, it's the professional bodies and in-campus politics~ let me tell u, CPA reported last month that they were not aware of the policy change of MMu, they didn't know about the W model~ so account students, take note~ when a new president comes in with new policies, can u say no to it, i wonder~ will a Dean say no? everyone is working for a payslip at the end of the month and dare u say no to the boss?

as for the W model, it has been implemented and will not be changed from what I've read in the SRC blog

i'm in social university aka working, fortunately~ my sis is in MMu~

This post has been edited by sexualpower: Mar 23 2009, 12:08 AM

SE is only on software~ there is a course called Electronics majoring in Computers, this is the one on hardware~ I'm aware of partnership with China's university but I've never heard of any twinning programs in MMU~ so far, no twinning program for MMU students~ closest I've heard is the student exchange program to Japan for 1 semester~

the word "engineering" means "the process of making"~ most of the time, in profession, the word refers to physical and tangible objects and therefore, we get electrical and electronics engineerings (circuit board), mechanical engineering (engine), robotics engineering (automation) but when it comes to software engineering, u'll be making softwares through building computer codes and then compiling them to become programs~

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Added on March 23, 2009, 8:07 pmu're right, it's not fair to say that high failure rates makes a university bad~ in my opinion, asking "why would high failure rate happen in the first place?" would be a better question~ thanks for your post and lets have a look. here are some possible opinions to why there are high failure rates :
- One of Utar's professor who is an associate dean mentioned that there are measures that ensure that failure rates as high as 50% would not happen (logic : there may be a thorough discussion prior to a policy and not just implementing)

- who will be responsible when students fail? (logic : 1) the intake policy, 2) lecturers' final questions relating to what he/she has taught 3) the quality of the education from the aforementioned lecturer, 4) policies which does not have space for any adjustments in case of human error like the abolished W model, 5) the students' studies) even if it is the students who are at fault here, it wouldn't be as logic as the aforementioned logic 1 - 4, i wonder "which student doesn't want to pass?" by the way, do u know that if u get just a credit in science and maths, you can be admitted to MMu in the year I enrolled?

- quality of MMu declining before the abolishment of W model? any proof on this one? (logic : I've seen with my own eyes the past year question papers available from the library and I advice u to have a look as well)

- pls be aware that there has been pre-requisites in all courses in MMu at this moment~ any failure of most of the subjects, i estimate 90% of the subjects, would mean that a student has to extend at least 1 year in order to graduate if he/she doesn't want to squeeze that particular subject into the already packed university schedule (logic : an estimated 95% of the subjects offered will only be offered in 1 specified semester and none other, if a person fails a subject, he/she has to wait 1 academic year in order to retake it) will the future students of MMu have to grad with 4 - 6years as opposed to other university students? we're here to learn, not only here to be forced to waste time and be graded~

full PhD academic staff... I'll vote u as student representative, my friend~ but not as a president~ no pain no gain~ full PhD academic staff would burn a hole in every student's wallet, as well as having low efficiency for those PhD staffs because they are the only ones who can provide Masters~ if they are going to provide Masters, these students have to choose between part-time or full-time~ If part-time Masters pursuers are not allowed to be lecturers, the cost of maintaining the academic staff would be tremendous and then the square one question arises, why not let Masters qualified PhD pursuers be part-time lecturers to save cost? I guess that shed some light~

thanks for your questions, I think u helped a lot in clearing doubts~


This post has been edited by sexualpower: Mar 23 2009, 08:07 PM

i guess everyone here is "encouraging students to pick the most suitable place" instead of "encouraging students to enter MMu"~ i think that regret is one of life's biggest enemy~ it is the "I should have found out more before I make that decision"~ I hope this thread will help by giving information without censorship and without bias~ I was thinking about when someone would actually ask about the benefits of studying in MMu that can't be found anywhere else in other institutions~ I don't think there is anything special in MMu~ it seems like a regular higher learning institution that is having some unresolved issues that are affecting students since June 2009~

MMu may have jurisdiction over at SRC like the previous anti-corruption agency before the MACC was formed~

gavin may be tight-lipped but whether it is tight or loose, I will try to encourage students to have minimal regret~ there are many other issues that are in play concerning this~ how about the 3 years courses that the government is encouraging? look at Utar's accounting course, it's 3 years~ now take a look at MMu and u see the old system of 4 years~

1 year and a few subjects in my opinion~ u have to ask and fill in form for credit transfer if not mistaken~

if R&D it is, would MMu be a centre focused on lecturers and tutors instead of students? is yes, then IMHO, the focus of MMu as compared to other universities are wayyy different, most universities try to cater to students' needs and view them as the heart and soul of a learning institution, without students, there will be no need for any lecturers

the board of directors remain less visible to me~ were politics involved since the MMu president knows many people from his involvement in Uniten (I heard that the reason for him leaving was because of a change in policy, seems similar here) and another public university (disclosed for anonymity purposes)

low failure rates is good in my opinion because it shows that the system is not as flawed as it is with failure rates going up to 50%, as indicated by Dr. Liang Meng Suan (i asked) from UTAR~ as indicated by Mr Yau Sing Hing @ Yeow Sing Hing, this matter can be brought up to the board of engineers (BEM) for questioning and re-evaluation of the accrediation~

in manufacturing industry, the ISO is internationally recognized and it's viewed as a liability coz it's a cost that brings only a standard~ Malaysia has ISO (similar but not ISO standard) of our own by the way

are students really the ones to blame when it comes to 50% failure rate which has never happened and only appeared coincidentally when the bell curve or W model has been stopped from usage? are there other problems which has been spawned from this policy change?

I would say that there is a large link... a repercussion effect when a policy is implemented~ in my opinion, it is the teaching, the level of examinations, the internal, external and 3rd party review of the exam questions before finalization, the administration in terms of the regulations of marks, and the factor of the vicious cycle, for example, some lecturers are now setting super easy questions in response to the change in policy, that sounds to me like lowering the past years of quality education and past good reputation with the industry which hires the graduates~ what will be their opinion on current and future graduates after this? I guess students can just pray and hope for the best~

i've heard of quotas on the maximum allowable failures implemented for different subjects~ but have u heard of failures up to 3,800 in 1 semester in 1 campus(cyberjaya) alone? this happened in sem1~ the 50% failure rate was in Malacca campus, the whole of MMu is involved~ I have not heard of any measures to compliment this change in policy nor have I heard of any reaction towards any complimentary change in policy to suit this W model policy~

in my opinion, abolishment W model is great, it's superb~ but who benefits from this? are there any benefit in the first place? should current issues relating to the examination question reviewing system, the performance index (KPI) of lecturers being more transparent, and in correlation with the students' academic evaluation system be reviewed in light of the important change of the W model? in my opinion, there are many issues that need to be addressed with the implementation of this new policy but it has been almost a year now and so far, there doesn't seem to be any news, according to the SRC blog~

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Added on March 28, 2009, 10:58 amThis post has been edited by sexualpower: Mar 28 2009, 10:58 AM

lets just help the students with current facts~ the future is something we can only estimate~ if there have been R&D being done, more complimentary policies would have come together with the abolishment of W model~ and besides, when Prof. Ghauth and Prof. Chuah was around (even in Malacca as Dean or in Cyber as Dean in the later years), there has been no debate on this issue, how come a president who has not been in MMu for more than 1 semester (at that time) make such a drastic policy that affects 20k students (the population of both campuses)~

i think i have more than double the years of experience on MMu than you currently have, my friend~ i have been to their open days right after form 5 and until now, i'm still involved in student activities as committee member although i'm working~

there have been a lot of ragging for the past years~ but only by committees towards other committees, =.='

i agree totally, if any of the information that I provided is even slightly inaccurate, do speak freely and I'll edit it on the same day, I'll check this thread daily from now~

I'm here to put all matters in what it should be~ the present is a consequence of the past and the future, the consequence of the present~ I know the past and it has brought us here~ if you are able to forsee a reaction of the future due to some present action, pls don't hide it and let us know~ otherwise, i advice u to see what I have written~

I have been in the meeting with Dean itself at the latest Dean meeting, I know more than just referring to SRC's blog~ your assumption here is not accurate~

for accounting -> UTAR & local uni (bold and decisively fast to take the step to go from 4 years back to 3 years degree, in line with international standards)
for everything else -> public uni (i don't see anything justifiable in paying 30k - 60k more to get a degree except for a little more in knowledge not taught from books when encountering highly educated lecturers who devote their lives to educating others)

we've all paid taxes so that the government can help us in return by building public uni and subsidizing~ RM3.5k per year for IT courses if not mistaken~ and it's about 10k per year if it's private~ difference = no subsidizing by government if u go private, the tax money you paid is simply given to someone else~ facilities-wise, public uni always win~ what about location? you are free to pick from at least many states, johor UTM, KL UKM UM UTM postgrad etc.

how about the lecturers? the syllabus? the government is well aware when they planned to reduce some of the 4 years courses back to 3 years~ the government is aware of international changes when it comes to education~

you will still see many people going to private institutions~ let me give u a picture, i've worked with inti and i've heard stories of how much the China students spend per day~ 10k on 1 night of leisure~ i've been in MMu and it's almost the same~ i've seen international students pull stunts with their 2nd hand wira, 2nd hand iswara as if they cost nothing~

the reason for their expenditure comes from many reasons~ middle east countries allow scholarships which doesn't rely on results but rely on studying in a foreign country like Msia~ once they get a diploma, they are elligible and will be able to continue towards a degree in any other countries fully paid~

the students from China previously mentioned from Inti have loads of money coz it's "black money", that's what I heard from the people inside INTI~ what better way than to spend your money abroad by transferring your money to swiss bank account and letting your son or daughter access it for expenditure on any assets in a foreign country?

3: yes, need to wait 1 whole year~ reason is that about 99% of all subjects are offered only in 1 particular semester
4: my advice is to apply for all universities and colleges~ application costs only RM10 - 30~ u need to pay only AFTER u get accepted and when u are about to start~

i strongly advice u to stay away from MMU's mechanical engineering due to the 50% failure rate in sem1 of academic year 0809 being from one of mechanical's subject, fluid mechanics, which is one of the 5 subjects in a 3 year pre-requisite~ truth is, those 83 students failed the final exam out of a total of about 160 students~ you have to pass fluid mechanics in order to take fluid dynamics, and in turn, u need to pass fluid dynamics in order to be eligible to go for another 2 subjects in the final year~ in other words, if u fail these subjects called "pre-requisites", you are going to have delay for the related subjects as well

here r the students who failed in sem1 0809, u can view the file after changing the extention to .xls~ taking a look at the fluid mechanics won't do u harm, this is concrete proof though it is in sem1 of this academic year~

from bad to worse

no idea about facilities but you should try buying a desktop less than Rm1k or a laptop less than RM2.5k but laptop battery lifespan is 1 1/2 years average

who says MMu is "great institution n work at oil company"? O&G, the highest paying company will just hire any grads that fits its criteria~ any idea how many stages of interview u need to go through? u need to firstly apply and go for an initial interview where they will let you talk on a random topic for 20min~ if u pass this, u need to go for a 3-days camp~ then, only 10-15% of the participants get a job which you can't choose at all, they choose the job for you~ u're requested to use newspaper and duct tapes to construct oil rigs and they'll even use a fan to try out the stability of the structure~ at the end, the final interview consists of tests on your knowledge of engineering~

electrical engineers are needed everywhere, no technician can design wiring systems (qualification factor, though experience can teach anyone any skill)

1) why must it be mechanical engineering?
2) do u know that the Dean of MMU Malacca said no longer than 2 months ago that Mechanical engineering in MMU may not be offered anymore in the near future?

by the way, if u're so much into money, why not go for some business course?
how many private universities do u see having no BEM recognition? BEM recognition is for academic purposes, for you to be an academician to gain the faster route towards a professional engineer, Ingeniur, who is someone qualified to have an Ir. title~ anyone going for money won't wanna go the way of the academician~ do u plan on becoming a teacher or earn money?

probably a good question to ask would be "what exactly is your goal"?

definitely not on par, Uniten provides pure Electrical and pure Electronic courses while MMU don't

lecturers' progress in Uniten are being tracked and governed by their own KPI (performance index) system while MMU relies on students' feedback in the form of student evaluation system (totally flawed, with no penalties to control or improve lecturers and non-transparent to students and totally transparent to lecturers themselves, SRC in both campuses are currently busy with this issue)

there are many other issues if you want to compare, do state your most important criterion so that we can help you better~

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Added on April 2, 2009, 5:33 pmMMU changed soooo much since then~ but foundation in Cyber are limited to those courses which are only available in Cyber

the thread-starter is concerned about not having time to edit the first post IMHO~

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Added on April 2, 2009, 5:36 pmyes, certified true copies, means photostate, let pesuruhjaya sumpah, high status government officials or your school headmaster to chop and sign~

how about we talk about food and accommodation in kopitiam?

This post has been edited by sexualpower: Apr 2 2009, 05:36 PM

thanks for correcting me~

i'm glad you put the word "think" instead of "it is a fact that" coz it is a fact that 50% of the fluid mechanics class in sem 1 failed, the estimate is number is 83 upon an estimated 160~ feel free to check the .xls file for confirmation as well as download it from google offline cache or ask any friends who have a copy~ now, this is a fact~ whether i'm biased or not, nothing changes the fact that an estimated 3,800 students over the population of 10,000 cyberjaya students failed in the same semester~

as for a steady record, nowadays, lecturers already confessed in classes that they are taking necessary measures to temporarily reduce the failure rates by setting much easier questions, that is the case of last semester, semester 2 of the academic year~ it's now semester 3~ anyone wants to guess the outcome of the next academic year, 2009/2010?

bascially, 38% failure rate in the whole of MMU, Cyberjaya... that doesn't sound logical at all to me, I don't know exactly what caused it but IMHO, it's the new policy, the abolished W model aka bell curve~ even the papers' current international PhD scandal revealed that there is always a measure of "adjustment" to final marks because of a simple logical reason, to handle the imperfect human errors which may be in the sense of final questions being too high level for degree standard~ whether this is a yes or a no, the numbers remain, an estimated 3,800 upon an estimated population of 10,000 in Cyberjaya failed, this is reported by SRC, Malacca representatives, in the education unit~ the 83 students upon 160 is from this attached .xls that you can convert from .doc and view~

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Added on April 2, 2009, 9:07 pmIMHO, gavin is a nice, friendly and humble person, i do not believe that he will do anything against the law~

This post has been edited by sexualpower: Apr 2 2009, 09:07 PM

are u a shareholder or top level admin staff in MMU? the Dean of FET, Dr. Peter as well as Dr. Alan, who is in examination board as far as i remember has held a meeting with SRC and I in Feb~ they said that there isn't any KPI for MMU lecturers and the only evaluation for lecturers' standard is the student evaluation system, which has been causing troubles for students as it has been rumoured to be transparent to lecturers but not from students to students and not from lecturers to students~

must be used with pencil coz there is a machine that auto-detects your pencil lead to turn the analog input into digital format~ if u use pen, they may have to delay your application and manually fill in the form for you again~ i am not sure whether MMU possess such machine or not but INTI's exam unit has one before year 2000~

just link this thread to the cupid corner la~ lol~ fruity i think trade zone~ ask her post pic, if she leng lui, then u go, if not leng lui, then go UTAR lor~

generally~ everyone can still choose~ but I don't see why other alternatives or institutions that don't have lack of manpower be at the top of your priority for a higher learning institution of your choice?

most of the time, MNCs are big, when it comes to property, finance, plantation, manufacturing~ MNCs can be small too, especially in the service sector like sales, IT and consultancy where 1 - 10 people can have a branch in a country~ MNC is not totally secured when it comes to jobs~ MNC can re-structure anytime, means fire anyone anytime~ big gigantic berhad in Malaysia as compared to a Sdn. Bhd. can layoff thousands as compared to the smaller ones who may just give voluntary seperation schemes (VSS)~

Western Digital was the first to announce layoff months in advance Q4 of last year~