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post Mar 30 2009, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Mar 30 2009, 02:21 PM)
Beware! Nikkei -378.71 (-4.44%).
Dow futures -128. Tonite big bear are coming!
I already q ing to sell my Resorts-CI d. Scared d  doh.gif
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DJ futures -153 now.

Because market is wary about this news of US gov said, it is not viable to continue to support GM, Chrysler with endless money aid with no foresight of turning the company around. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090330/ap_on_..._wh/obama_autos

If they choose to file bankruptcy, then a new wave of sell down can be expected.
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post Mar 30 2009, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Mar 30 2009, 03:10 PM)
nobody want to sapu bank harimau and TMI?
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You mean those need to double pay one? (right issue) tongue.gif
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post Mar 30 2009, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Mar 30 2009, 04:41 PM)
Hi guys,

What do you think about Maybank ? Now at 4.12 only and is it okay to buy now ? or i shall wait for another few days ? How will be the right issue affact Maybank share for today and the remaining days of the week ?
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I don't know, but I always try to stay far far away from those need shareholders fork out money one, instead giving out money to shareholders.

I always keep in simple.
Why we want to invest in stock? To get a return, dividend or capital appreciation which company can generate worth to us.

For right issue, the situation is like I invest in your company, then you want me to fork out more money.

Buying Maybank with right issue now is somehow similar with a the price of tag (if share price now is 4.10) = 4.10 + (2.74 x 9/20) = 5.33

Edited:

For short term goreng, no comment.

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post Mar 30 2009, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Mar 30 2009, 05:00 PM)
How your calculation work here ? What is 2.74 and the multiplier of 9/20 ? Sorry! i was not familiar with this.
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2.74 is the right issue price, 9/20 is the ratio of right will be given.
It just mean if you bought Maybank at 4.10, effective rate/price is 5.33 because you need to fork out money for the right issue 2.74, if not your shareholding in Maybank will be diluted.

QUOTE(whizzer @ Mar 30 2009, 05:09 PM)
I wonder if historically whether rights issues were the right thing (pun intended  biggrin.gif  )  to do for any company. I mean any research paper/case study based on 10 year history of rights issues effect on the companies bottom line. So far, I think the rights issue for TMI & Maybank sort of can count on our gahmen to prop up.  hmm.gif
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Actually, if we look back history, very few good company or specifically those doing well in long term (share price or fundamental) have right issue before.

Good company should give shareholders money, not that other way round.

We invest in stock market tries to make money, instead making money for us, it become we give money?

QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Mar 30 2009, 05:33 PM)
so the "MAYBANK-OR" will be listed 2molo @ wat price?
can kindly advice wat r those dates?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Ex-right for Maybank will be 3.66 (based on input by forumers), so right issue is at 2.74.

It shouldn't traded more than 3.55-2.74 =0.81, so fair price or highly it will be traded around 0.70. If Maybank share doesn't move at 3.66.


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QUOTE(eltaria @ Mar 31 2009, 09:00 AM)
Hi a couple of question on the rights hope to get some clarifications, my first rights issue.

And the rights is the price difference between MP and 2.74

So if we got 20 lots at 4.08 = 8160
Ex Price, 20 * 3.66 = 7320
If end of the day, price still remain 3.66, my rights value = 9 * (3.66-2.74) = 828

828 + 7320 = 8148 Compared with 8160 which we got pre Ex Price?
All things equal, so, why is my figures not tying up? 8148 vs 8160?
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Because there are some decimal at the back being ignored or rounded up in the process of come up with 3.66 ex-price.



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post Mar 31 2009, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Mar 31 2009, 11:38 AM)
axreit go too high lea cannot buy jor le
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May be boosted by the issue of its Director is buying. (but very small quantity)

Qcapital not bad mah, approaching 0.80 brows.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 31 2009, 12:05 PM)
taikor, are you aiming for QC? it is back to 12-months low.  brows.gif

another reits which is giving good DY, hmmm.
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Queued, queueing at 0.80. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Mar 31 2009, 01:19 PM)
I will follow after you.  tongue.gif
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Want to follow me to "Holland"? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Mar 31 2009, 01:47 PM)
DY is about 5% only right?
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Based on last year DPU, yield is around 9%. (7.5 cents)
While lastest Q earning is 2.xx cents.

Witholding tax for local now is 10%.

Main risk is more about its borrowing.
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post Mar 31 2009, 04:32 PM

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Wah, I see no less than 30 index linked counters (heavy weight one) is being sold at 1 lot across. Try to make index down? biggrin.gif

Edited,

Ooppss, I forgot today is settlement day for FKLI, always got funny act coming up during this time. It has been awhile I don't trade FKLI, nearly forgot it.

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QUOTE(thkhong @ Mar 31 2009, 04:55 PM)
Hi wats this FKLI thing. Wat effect it has on the counters?

Thks.
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post Apr 1 2009, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(chyaw @ Apr 1 2009, 12:37 PM)
The PE ratio used for Lionid is exceptionally low (as the figure is based on previous FY). Assuming Q3&4 no loss or profit, EPS is around 8.69, a more realistic PER should be 7.02. Then the whole scenario will be different... Just my opinion...
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Currently we should throw PE ratio out of window, because future and near term profit for most company will be deteoriating at significantly rate which past data is no longer a good indicator already. No offence. smile.gif

Now is about cashflow and net worth of the company.

It is not about earning profit or loss in current situation, the most important is to have positive and sustainable cashflow for the next 2 to 3 years.

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Apr 1 2009, 01:54 PM)
I sure hope GM files for bankruptcy.
This will provide us with another opportunity to buy.

After that, hopes AIG files for bankruptcy.
Another opportunity to buy.

Then companies in other parts of the world file for bankruptcy.
Buy Buy Buy.
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This bankruptcy, that bankruptcy, then all bankruptcy, share market also closed shop then. biggrin.gif

That time is not buy buy buy but die die die. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 1 2009, 05:21 PM)
yalor, ever since 30sens TE div is confirmed.

me jumped boat a day b4 the boat started to sail, baka!  doh.gif
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A lot of boat are sailing now. Just the pace may be different here and there.

In actually businesses out there, there are some improvement here and there, may be due to stimulus money. Although not significant or back to normal as last time, at least it has bottomed somehow. Not continue spiralling down.
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post Apr 2 2009, 10:48 AM

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Last time when US got new President, US market rally kau kau. Now Malaysia will be getting new PM, market also rallly kau kau? biggrin.gif
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post Apr 2 2009, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(mememe12 @ Apr 2 2009, 11:12 AM)
lao eh.. genting 3.90.. itchy to sell la wei.. how? greedy liao.. =.=''

if sell genting d.. dunno wanna buy wat pula =.=''
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My advice is if you are going to sell then use the money to buy another counter, it is advisable not to sell at all.
If market sink, mostly sink together, if market rise, mostly rise together. So switching here and there and more in and out of the market will only increase your chance of mistake.

Either hold if you view market is going up or sell if you view it is not sustainable and wait the market.
Unless your existing counter had some issue on its own.

Need to have good strategy to play this market. Selling one then straight away buying another just like you are betting big and small simultaneously, which chance of you will lose because of brokerage fee is high unless you are brilliant and precise enough to time exactly and getting right on both counters movement.

Just an advice, don't mean now it is good or bad time to sell. Judge your own.
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 2 2009, 11:36 AM)
@cherroy - I noticed you usually end with "Just my opinion/advice. Judge your own. Don't mean that I recommend this counter. Don't mean now is a good/bad time...."

Why not just put it in your signature. Save some typing effort....  laugh.gif
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Haha, should put the disclaimer on my signature then. biggrin.gif
May be put in avatar as well. icon_rolleyes.gif

Anyway, thanks for the suggestion though.
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QUOTE(mememe12 @ Apr 2 2009, 01:26 PM)
haha.. yea yea.. smile.gif

wanna ask a question.. how we know when they going to give dividen?
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They will put up the announcement.
or generally the stock price page on your online portal will put a sign of *C
*C - mean cum dividend, cum right, cum bonus etc.
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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Apr 2 2009, 02:46 PM)
from the rate the economy is recovering.. i'm forecasting that Bank Negara might not reduce BLR in the month of April
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The economy is not recovering or yet. It is just the stock market recovery (which anticipating economy will recover) after dropping more than 50% mostly across.
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post Apr 2 2009, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Apr 2 2009, 02:50 PM)
ya, in anticipation of economy recovering, i have doubt if Bank Negara going to reduce interest rate anymore
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No actually, BNM, central bank or gov want to see actual recovering in place before they will let it go on its own, otherwise, they will intercept from time to time (cur rate, inject liqudidity) to ensure the recovering is actually in place and start growing.

Don't be surprise with another rate cut, but there is no certain somehow like 50:50 now.

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