Money is everything, when you and your wife need your both's parents to sponsor money to give birth to baby;
Money is everything, when you need your mother or your wife's mother to nurse your baby;
Money is everything, when you suddenly lack of money and need to have dinner at your mother's house or your wife's house;
Money is everything, when you have got married but still your parents worried of your financial capability.

If we gals are able to make good money as guy can, why can't guys make better money than gals?

You have no rights to say we gals are shallow, unless you are able to feed your family and support your parent's daily expenses.

You sir, are one confused person.

Sure thing!

Start a new thread and I'll explain why over there.

If you start a new thread I PROMISE you that I will tell you why I think you're confused.

Does my assurance satisfy you?

Well, I assumed that you wanted a real answer, fully fleshed out and furnished with examples?

I could write a tl:dr post of course but it would never do your enquiry justice, and for a matter as worthy as this surely it deserves an entire thread to itself.

pls read back, I've never ever in my life says money guarantees happiness, however

If you kena cancer, rich and poor who will have the upper hand?
If your husband divorce or has a fling outside, rich and poor who would have the upper hand?

I'm not talking about remedy fixes, just that the rich always has the upper hand or at least some consolation prizes.

How can it be impeccable and flawed at the same time? 

in my opinion, yes. with his money, at least, i can have a better life. since, somehow, he is going to spend on another women.

Because I've seen too many poor family the husband still have a fling outside and she is left with nothing plus have to take care of kids.

Obviously we need a balance la, I've never said to cling on to a rich man and find means and ways to be married to him,

as the topic start:
2 guys after that girl, both chasing her hot on her heals, the girl love the poorer guy but at the same time as the rich guy seems prospective as well. So she was confused.

Cyrix isn't confused, though he may sound confusing. He probably just didn't express himself properly.

Its simply his pride as a man that he must be able to support his family. There is nothing wrong in that, and its something I agree with as well. By increasing the bar for his needs, he sets himself up to be motivated to accomplish it. Being able to support his family is no longer an optional thing, its a necessity, and making sure he doesn't have to take money from his partner further strengthens this goal. There's nothing wrong in that.

Women will like guys like this, because they are good providers. Gold diggers will milk you for what you're worth, and that's the kind of girl cyrix will want to avoid. Gold diggers typically believe that money = happiness. That's why he was against such women. We men can give, the question is... when we give something, is it expected, or is it appreciated? If you expect something, it is no longer appreciated.

If you just throw money at a woman and get her, that doesn't guarantee anything in the relationship. You basically bought the girl, and there's no way I find that respectful to a woman I will want to call my partner.

NOBODY is saying that men are evaluated SOLELY by how much money they have.
in the same way NOBODY is saying that women are evaluated SOLELY by how pretty/attractive/fertile they are.

That said, it is a stereotype because it's true. Men do leave women they are with if there is a hotter girl coming on to them. Women do leave men who are weak and pathethic in the game of life (in the modern sense, money plays a big part in this).
EVERYONE uses ad hominems.... But not all are hypocritical condescending SOBs.

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Added on April 28, 2009, 7:51 pm

In practice, just about every man in his right mind would do that...and be proud of it whether they like to admit it or not. But not every man is awesome and can woo the attractive girls. MOST will have to settle for less than their dream princesses... Because Face The Truth™, they arent exactly dream prince's either.

EVERYONE settles for the best that is AVAILABLE to them.
...and what is available to a girl depends LARGELY (not solely) on how beautiful/attractive/fertile she is.

...and what is available to a guy depends LARGELY (not solely) on how socially dominant he is.
In the modern world social dominance is difficult, but not impossible, to achieve without money.

From the topic http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/967243 it made me think deep why are girl money minded.

Thousands of years ago, money do not exist, girl will choose their partner base on security, they look for well built male who can protect them from wild animals and wild man or whatever wild things,they're vulnerable when they;re pregnant, and the years when they need to raise children. This has been genetic in female.

Fast forward to today, we no longer require mr. muscle to protect us, security took a new meaning, security = money. So girl will marry a guy when he is rich and this is why the quote ada wang ada amoi.

So girls, be proud when you choose a rich husband, and to those girl who insist love is more important, they're just immature and the mother instinct not kick in yet, after few years of marriage they'll regret of their choice.

If it is about the amount of money, then please state at which point the post mentioned about the amount of money?

Yup.

If you're Chinese then chances are you would have family who came from backgrounds of poverty. Aunts, uncles, or grandparents.

In the old days daughters would be married off into rich families in arranged marriages. This was something that women had to be rather stoic about, but it wasn't unheard of for a girl to cry and be very sad that she would be married off to somebody she hardly knew, chances are is quite ugly, just because of money that her family wanted. In those days women wanted the choice to marry for love, and to be with a man they liked, rather than have that choice made for them.

Malaysia is built on the backs of the poor. How many stories and examples do we know of, of hardworking, poor people who were constantly on the lookout for business opportunities and finally made it big, being able to afford nice houses, expensive cars and send their children overseas for education where a mere generation ago they came from a Chinese ghetto (I mean kampung baru), or plantation? Back in those days, a woman with choice would rather be with a man who would care and appreciate her and was hardworking, than go for somebody who already had the money - because the psychology of the latter usually meant that a poorer woman from a poorer family attaching themselves to such a man would only be used and then chucked like expendable goods.

But things have changed. They are no longer the same. People themselves have changed.

That was then. THIS is now. Old values no longer have meaning in a world that has changed so drastically in a mere two to three generations.

I can only exhort the menfolk here to also evolve with the times. Evolve, or be extinct. Clinging to past values will not save you or give you inherent worthiness - no matter how many people pat you on the head and coo at you the words "good boy".

You must be able to tell apart the real and the fake.

Very well said. I've been saying pretty much the same thing all along. Social dominance, along with the charm, confidence and charisma that comes with it is very difficult to achive without money in the modern world.
If you have cash, you can spend on your dates. You can take her to places and spend more time with her...increasing your chances of clicking on an emotional level and building a relationship. If you are successful in your career, you would be a more confident person... and charisma is built on confidence.
Money and social dominance are very intertwined in the modern world.

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Added on April 29, 2009, 5:59 pm

dude, read the sentence properly lah... it was a RHETORICAL argument that I myself do not quite believe in.

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Added on April 29, 2009, 6:02 pm

I agree... though you must admit that "depth of character" aka charm/confidence/charisma in guys that is just so appealing to women comes naturally when a guy is thriving... It is VERY DIFFICULT to build depth of character without money in the modern world...Without social dominance, you could have a very complex evolved character...but it would not be the right type of character that attracts women

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Added on April 29, 2009, 6:03 pm

HAhahahahaha. ROFL. Should be pasted into Jokes Haven..

strawman concept is great but i dont think it applies here on these kiddo's talk. I see it more obvious on RWI 

Allow this 80yo nanny blabbing and catching her breath to voice out one more thing:
The true WRONG concept u guys are having here is that: MONEY has only very little or surface influence to all Love/Relationship/Marriage/Romance.  It could be a factor that a girl/boy in love/want to be in love with the other richer boy/girl, even got married as long as two are happy... but at the end (where is the end? wedding day? divorce day? death?) if they are truly happy or not, and if they regret their choices or not, we wont know.

To many youngsters, not until u personally experience romance->love->relationship->marriage->divorce, you are NOT capable to get to know why is this old nanny trying to SEPARATE these few VERBs cos they all look miserable/complicated and yet SIMPLE to you cos they are all same, which she insist they are NOT the same one thing.

For young poor guys, when you notice 'most girls are money minded/handsome guys-oriented', i can tell you, it is only your Delusion.  U simply oversee some other who are NOT.  Or u might have received info wrongly. Remember? what girls tell might not the whole truth... yea women are complicated, especially to young kiddos.  The only piece of advice i can give u is that, Study hard, Work hard, if there are girls come along, swallow everything and gain experience, if not, let it be cos ur true love is out there somewhere When U R truly deserved her. Btw, please check out NLP so that u can climb a ladder to get messages across better.

For older richer guys, the way you posted msg here doesnt sound like a true wise old guy that Im looking for, therefore I believe there r still a lot more you ought to learn, which I believe you arent very old indeed.  Apparently life experiences is important when we are talking about dealing with love issues.  again, if u havent heard/started NLP, pls do so if u think u do have miserable life from time to time... it is usually the major cause of the majority to get angry easily/fast...

For gals, love and romance is everything to you till you are 80yo (like me).  When you are lucky enough to grab a handsome, young, rich, kind, romantic, wonderful husband, treasure it like TS said, but it still doesnt guarantee u for a life time happiness, like i said, when it the end? wedding? kids's family life? divorce? death?  LIfe is full of surprises... Please feel free to pm me for further girls talk - i long for it

Be well everyone.