Yes, I know i have spelling mistake. And I never claim that my English is good. You who claim your English is good, having so many grammar mistake that being picked and edited by someone who has bad command of English like me. So, here shows what kind of attitude you have.

Again, back to the topic. Marry an average man with average salary pay is okay, as long as a man is self-motivated enough, even if no huge house or huge car, life will still be meaningful. But to marry an average man with average pay and BAD ATTITUDE and no self-motivated, dare not to admit English grammar mistakes and critisize people, is a big NO.

This post has been edited by debbieyss: Oct 6 2009, 01:43 PM

Refer to my posts earlier.
Find out what my perspective is before facepalm me. All along i emphasize that it's a guy's attitude that makes him rich.

Do you know why I keep on saying you are 21 years old? The way you debate tells me that you are a small kid.

Yes, you didn't pick on my English mistakes at first, but you picked on other's when yourself have English grammar mistakes, too. I was out of sincerity and generousity to edit your English mistakes. If you don't think your English is bad then you don't have to take my comment.

No matter how I dislike someone, how I being wronged, I will never say people "stupid".

Someone who has lived 30 years know nothing about respect.

Actually, human nature is just that simple. Who doesn't want to be rich? Who doesn't want to be handsome or pretty? Who doesn't want to earn more money?

Why every one here is so hypocrite and lack of wisdom to differenciate case by case?

Pursue rich guy = materialistic?

Pursue money = greedy?
One who pursue money can maintain low expenses, too. Keeping money just for uncertain urgency in the future, like this cannot? Ever think of how much inflation gains each year? Ever think of the job opportunities getting more computerised and unemployment rate may increase? Unless you are capable and innovative enough.

In that case we also can say guys who smoke are bad guys/irresponsible, rude and immoral guys. Can we say that? We can't, right? Guys who smoke can also be a loving father and responsible man to their families. Guys who humorous say vulgar words while telling jokes don't mean they are rude instead spice up the conversation quality.

I can't help to laugh crazily at this!

LOL

To those losers who aren't self-motivated to aim higher, insist to stay at comfort zone, and claim that gals who look for financial capable bf/husbands are materialistic, below are something for your pleasure reading.




























This post has been edited by debbieyss: Oct 7 2009, 08:18 AM

Left out an "s" isn't a mistake? Mistaken capital letters isn't a mistake?

Sure, you're most welcome to pinpoint my English! I have much to improve my English! Even if I gain the title of best spoken or written English person in the world, I will not claim that my English is the best of all and take this advantage to critisize people's English.

I pinpointed you because of the way you debate in the forum showing rude manner.

Yes, good one!

Only those incapable man will need and ask wives and gf to work.
A man if he is a real man with self-motivated attitude, will try his best to settle his financial capability, ALWAYS, despite of how hard it is!

My father even goes to work when he is sick, he brought his medicine along to work. He even works during public holidays.

I could hardly see any of the youngsters or those who claim they are average man have this kind of attitude. Basically, it's just wasting of time to talk to those who are not married and haven't set up a family yet.

You should know that I'm taking this as an example to show what it means a self-motivated attitude a guy should have.

If I'm assuming this as a role model for all men to follow, I should have put more examples as much as I could imagine.

Having own business or working 9 to 5 is doesn't matter, what's more important is the attitude. You all scream for gender equality, have you ever thought of if you have done your best for your career? What makes me feel funny is that some of the forumers claim that earning 5k per month is enough, some of them even says 2k per month is enough (check out the thread "Gf left me, she say i am poor". How to enough if taking public transport to work needs RM5 to RM7 per day and RM140 per month? I haven't even included the time wasted in taking public transport. In this case I have not much to say if you have installments to buy a car.

These childish people who says 2k or 5k per month is enough, I really doubt if they are too genius in mathematics or they are too used to be in comfort zone, or they are just plain lazy to aim high and thus critisize women who go for financial stable guys are materialistic. They say they are average, I don't know which part of their body or their belongings is average enough!

The formula is just simple:
self-motivated = financial stable (rich)

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Added on October 7, 2009, 11:51 amI enjoy working is one thing, my husband/bf asks me to work is another thing.

This post has been edited by debbieyss: Oct 7 2009, 11:51 AM

Yes, I noted your comments, I do agree, too.

There's no reason for me to lower down the criteria. If I'm aiming high to earn better pay for my family, I can't accept that a man can't do the same as I do.

There are actually Malaysian guys who are self-motivated with progressive driven life in my social circle, it's only that there are only 5% among all.

I just ask you few question:
1. how much you can save when inflation keep flying high but your salary remains in 5k? Have you thought about children's education? Let say you want to send them to local uni, how confident you are that your children manage to enter local uni? Have you tried to do research on the tuition fees for a private college 10 years ago with the current one?

2. why put "unless"? why don't you even give it a try to make it comes true either invest in stocks market or set up own business? Have you thought of why those employees been fired? Is it because their value too high or too low? Being fired doesn't mean you can bring this as an execuse to stop yourself from climbing high, instead find a way to groom up yourself and do better.

I always believe there's a will, there's a way. If you want to success, give yourself no execuses.

3. why claims all gals who pursue self-motivated and financial stable husband/bf = gold digger and high maintenance? Gals want to see security in the future, earn much money doesn't mean you have to spend them off for luxury, but to save up for futures' uncertainties, but to at least have a better nutritious meals and not just telur masini and kampung fish; buy some better quality clothings that last long and presentable and not those pasar malam clothings or slippers that last only few months or half year; send children for private colleges IN CASE they are not manage to enter local uni; go for private hospitals IN CASE have to queue up long at government hospitals where careless surgery cases happened nowadays; etc etc...

So you tell me, this way of spending money is materialistic? Is gold digger? All these are money. Tell me how much you need to spend for insurance of 4 persons (you, your wife and your 2 kids, let say), with only 5k per month?

If you have really thought of these issues, you will realise that aim high for good salary doesn't mean that person is materialistic. Value attitude of "aim rich" in different angles.

Here you go, gal. You say other countries men have high aims and Malaysian men do not. This is a weakness in Malaysian men and I don't know why you asked me not to comment this kind of men. My friend, 1 year younger than me, started working as an insurance agent when he was Form 5. He's from chinese Independent high School. He is now driving a Honda, bought condo, planning to get married next year. All money he spent for wedding, house, car, are his own saving since his started working when he was in Form 4.

I'm not simply putting comment on guys. But you got to tell me, why the same guys graduated from the same school, some are still getting pay at 2k but some are driving a Honda?

Do you think this is mainly country economy and political cultures that matter?

Yes, I read your very posts since the first one you posted here.

Yes, I know this guy namely Dreamer101 at job career forum.

He is a practical and contented guy, the one always say save up 25% (forgot if it's 25% or 45%) of his gross profit per month as saving.

I ever asked him how can he always ask people here save up 25% per month. I asked him to do me the breakdown of a single Malaysian man's RM2k monthly expenses and I received no respond from him. I told him his salary isn't RM2k, easy said than done, perhaps he should think of those who earn only RM2k.

Instead of keep saving, why not he encourages youngsters here to be more innovative and self-motivated, be more hard-working, be more responsible to their lives, get some part time jobs or businesses or something. Increase income is always better than save money. You have to remember: the value of RM5k in year 2009 will no longer the same as RM5 in year 2019. You have RM100k savings today, it doesn't mean you have enough to spend when you are retired 20 years later.

Think about that.

I bet you understand what does depreciation of currency note and inflation, dancingwind.

He is practical enough, but he has certain irrelevant value in career hunting. Have you ever read all his posts, then?

Yes, I will go on on this topic. And I hope this mindset of pursuing-higher-income husband/bf will got sapped off by your professional comments, which has been set as a goal for myself and my future husband since I was in secondary school. I don't mind to tell you I don't come from economics background and I come from art background. So I seriously hope that with your economics knowledge and qualificiation, convince me to lower down my criteria, both I set for myself and my future husband.

No, it's alright if you share me the 4 Chinese virtues, I'm ok with it, my mother is a woman with this typical virtue. Ok then, "出嫁从夫", so I hope the woman will just follow her man wherever he goes, work and stay at home take care of children and house works and not to drop a tear whenever his husband get laid off and change to become self-demotivated, instead of never cease to get discouraged and be possitive and look for new opportunities. Can you do this?

Please don't insult me to call me kiddi, if you claim you are high educated person. Respect other while you respect yourself.

Yes, your attitude is very impressive.
I sincerely hope that you won't give up though your salary may not be decent enough to bare the family alone.
My belief is very simple: self-motivated guy will have a yielding life.
My best wishes to you.

No.
Can you guys please don't take the example literally? Can you please don't quote the sentence out of its content? I'm just telling you if a man is willing to take up the responsibility and self-motivated, he will make his own effort to do his best. Even if he is sick, but you can't close the whole company and sleep at home when you only have normal flu or cough. Read the meaning! Don't just read the words!

When you have done the calculatioin to feed children for private colleges, bills to pay, you won't simply close down your office just because you are fever. Take it or leave it. Up to you. It's because of my father, I love him very much and I tell myself I would rather stay single if I can't find a man that is as tough as him. It's because of my parents I put high aim for myself to sacrifice my own dream in art industry and work hard and smart in another industry, which I don't have a proper knowledge for the entire industry, climb higher for better income to feed my parents.

And I do encourage gal who wants individual extra material luxury and expenses, go and work and earn money for that, not cling on husband.

What disappoint me is there are some guys have not done their best in career and ask gals to work to bare the family expenses with them so that they can continue to stay at comfort zone.

If you aren't that person with that high qualification, then who are you talking about?

So you are saying "妇德、妇言、妇容、妇功"? If you guys are talking about gender equality, might as well be it "夫德、夫言、夫容、夫功". Can you guys make it? If not, then you guys work hard and climb high, aim high, let your wives stay at home and follow the 4 virtues.

Sorry. I don't come from an English background family. To be honest I don't commonly apply English slangs in my daily conversation. Therefore I don't know if "kiddi" is a commendatory term or unfavorable term, but I expect you are using an unfavorable term since you are telling that I'm asking silly question. I ask question that comes from real life issues. You haven't seen Dreamer being speechless when the forumers telling him that his certain values in job career in his days are not applicable to the current economics status anymore.

I'm still trying to improve my English. Sorry for that.

I will continue to call you 21 years old kid. I don't mind to call you 5 years old kid.
If you are mature enough, there should be more issues and statements with meanings and not plain sacarstic and childish words.

My auntie is about 40, another one is 50, one more is 53. Ah... I have one friend who married with 2 kids and since the day she married, she was a full-time housewife and she is 32 now.

You are yet to make this assumption and dream to become a "houseman" full time until you manage to have monthly period, pregnant and deliver baby.

There's nothing to be proud of if you are a full time houseman yet no qualification to get pregnant and taste the pain of deliver a baby.

Oh yes, it is. Who says it isn't?

Definitely!!
But my heart no longer available for your friend....

I'm glad that besides those nice men i quoted previously at http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=29081533, you are another nice guy that sharing man's speech.



Man is for gal to love, not to keep. You can never get a deadlock to lock him up in a cage in order to prevent he will not abandon you.

All a gal has to do is love him deeply, support him fully; he will know who loves him most. If he betrays you one day when he gets rich, it's not for gal to cry on, but to let go.

Therefore, some forumers here tells that a woman should be responsible for her own living, this turn me off. One of the reasons that woman return to working life is to able to feed herself and the children if her man leaves her one day.

What is it so hard to provide basic daily needs of 3 meals and a roof to your wife? Lame execuse.

This post has been edited by debbieyss: Oct 7 2009, 04:49 PM

Yes, I think so, I never ask.
Actually there are 2 friends at early 30s working as full time housewives.
One is married to a banker. Not so sure about this friend cos the last time I met her was long time ago.
another one married to a doctor and her husband is now doing his specialist exam. Her husband came from normal kebangsaan secondary school, studied in UPM. Now she and her family settled in Australia.

My bf never asks me to work and even after marriage, if I don't work, he is able to feed me well.

I personally will back to working life after marriage but when we have children, I will be a full time housewives feeding my children at least they have attended primary 1. Simply because I was born in a family which parents busy working since I was 4. I don't have that much of opportunities to share my problems and my stories with my parents and hence I've used to settle my problems all on my own and I don't want to double parents' burdens. Even up to current, whatever they know about me, were either from my close friends or cousin sisters who normally hang out with me. Perhaps some of you guys are close to your parents and you guys tasted the sweetness of close relationships with parents. I do not want my children follow my foodsteps.

Anything plan after that, is too early to tell now. I have no idea what's coming up next.

Again, this is the 3rd time i repeated: it's for gal to take initiative to work after marriage, not for a guy to ask the gal to work. I'm using simple English, you understand or not?

I have answered more than you expected. Have i answered your question?

This post has been edited by debbieyss: Oct 7 2009, 05:25 PM