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post Oct 11 2009, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Oct 11 2009, 10:47 AM)
debbie doesn't know half of what she wants. I wouldn't take her opinion seriously if I were you.

Yeah I know the world's watching ... and I know the world's gonna laugh at what you just said about studying soulmates therefore you know all about them. That has GOT to be the funniest shit I've ever heard!
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I said there was a brief mention about soulmate, and from the short description, we know its not something to look for, its present is only if god wanted the twin soul to join.


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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Oct 11 2009, 10:49 AM)
I can be referee!! wave.gif
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well, everyone believe in funny things, so if you side me they say you're bias, you side them they will think just coz 3 people said so then it must be real

soulmate, or never gets married, this is a good one doh.gif

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post Oct 11 2009, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 11 2009, 11:00 AM)
I said there was a brief mention about soulmate, and from the short description, we know its not something to look for, its present is only if god wanted  the twin soul to join.
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Do you even believe in a God?

Ms superficial.
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post Oct 11 2009, 11:08 AM

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She have a different mindset... too narrow minded ady. She don't want to look at different angle like wat sum of us here do.
After all the traumas she had gone thru, she feel its the best for her and others.

Other people views which diff from her, whether her self conscious tell maybe wrong but its too hard for her to accpt it,.
She even think those who look for true loves are like taking life as one of the version of fairytales.

QUOTE(spunkberry @ Oct 11 2009, 10:47 AM)
debbie doesn't know half of what she wants. I wouldn't take her opinion seriously if I were you.

Yeah I know the world's watching ... and I know the world's gonna laugh at what you just said about studying soulmates therefore you know all about them. That has GOT to be the funniest shit I've ever heard!
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post Oct 11 2009, 11:10 AM

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if I took my traumas to heart that seriously, I wouldn't love again. How about that?
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post Oct 11 2009, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Oct 11 2009, 11:05 AM)
Do you even believe in a God?

Ms superficial.
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Dont question me about God,
BTW you hvnt even dare to enlighten us what is soulmate yet...pls answer first I've asked you many times.

BTW do you know even in the sacrament of matrimony no mention of soulmate? if it is such a holy join of union and only happen once in your life that you cannot break your vow towards god then why soulmate was not mention?
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post Oct 11 2009, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 11 2009, 11:11 AM)
Dont question me about God,
BTW you hvnt even dare to enlighten us what is soulmate yet...pls answer first I've asked you many times.

BTW do you know even in the sacrament of matrimony no mention of soulmate? if it is such a holy join of union and only happen once in your life that you cannot break your vow towards god then why soulmate was not mention?
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I see. You don't.
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post Oct 11 2009, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Oct 11 2009, 11:10 AM)
if I took my traumas to heart that seriously, I wouldn't love again. How about that?
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post Oct 11 2009, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Oct 11 2009, 11:12 AM)
I see. You don't.
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you didnt answer me, this the how many times I've lost count on ...pls enlighten us what is soulmate?

you say you're looking for one but dare not answer, you cant want something without knowing what you want.

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post Oct 11 2009, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 11 2009, 11:14 AM)
you didnt answer me, this the how many times I've lost count on ...pls enlighten us what is soulmate?

you say you're looking for one but dare not answer, you cant want something without knowing what you want.

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Will you claim a stranger as your father rather than your own?

Who is then, is your father?

Do you still need to ask what a soul mate is?
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post Oct 11 2009, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Oct 11 2009, 11:16 AM)
Will you claim a stranger as your father rather than your own?

Who is then, is your father?

Do you still need to ask what a soul mate is?
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I'm really lost, I know exactly who my father is, he is the man that seed my mother hence I'm the true biological daughter, can prove with DNA. So what about your soulmate. are you trying to wriggle your way out by given me on proverb, you're no jesus so dun even speak and mocked.

Yes I need to ask what is soulmate since you laugh, so what is it that you brought up and wanted it so much?

or now only you googling it? rclxms.gif

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post Oct 11 2009, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 11 2009, 11:25 AM)
I'm really lost, I know exactly who my father is, he is the man that seed my mother hence I'm the true biological daughter, can prove with DNA. So what about your soulmate. are you trying to wriggle your way out by given me on proverb, you're no jesus so dun even speak and mocked.

Yes I need to ask what is soulmate since you laugh, so what is it that you brought up and wanted it so much?

or now only you googling it? rclxms.gif
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post Oct 11 2009, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Oct 11 2009, 10:05 AM)
I'm not here to argue with you moorish, since you are so firmly entrenched in your opinions and your beliefs that you disregard all else as immature and misguided. But I'd just like to tell you that just because whatever your life is right now works for you, doesn't mean it works for everybody else.
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post Oct 11 2009, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Oct 11 2009, 11:29 AM)
I will tell you this.

Today.

If you ever seen a writing utensil drops on the floor, you will remember what I've asked you.
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Are u trying tohypnotise her? laugh.gif
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post Oct 11 2009, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Oct 11 2009, 11:29 AM)
I will tell you this.

Today.

If you ever seen a writing utensil drops on the floor, you will remember what I've asked you.
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are you gutless to answer?
suddenly pretend you;re man of deep thoughts when earlier you behave like a child?

Or maybe make it easier, you can just say sorry I really dun know the meaning of soulmate, I saw a movie and commercially I thought soulmate is that pretty gf of mine. I saw the words used everywhere and I didnt understand the true meaning of soulmate.


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vice versa, you probably works in corp (I'm assuming) hence you mix with the level of people in the corp never ending struggle, people with tie and woman in power suit. But you're also looking at things at your level only, try to go out in the street and see what are the jobs offered in the real world.


I've just only recently joined a big corporate. Even then they don't advocate power suits and ties, but I get what you mean. Prior to this I've worked for smaller companies with a staff size of less than 10. Prior to that I sold insurance door to door. Those of you who work will notice the occasional pesky insurance agent at the doorstep of your office asking for an opportunity to share a new product with you. Well it may have been me. Why did I decide to sell door to door when I'm a graduate? I thought my motivation was money, but in fact, I wanted job satisfaction, status and recognition more. I'm hoping these three goals will lead me to a treasure chest of course. With some people, it is the other way around. They want money because with it, comes status, recognition, etc.

My point is, I know what jobs are being offered. When I sold insurance, the agencies I worked with consisted of mainly women and I tell ya, they made a lot of money. If you feel that men or women are limited by what's being offered, I can tell you right now that you can create your own opportunities. These days, opportunities that weren't available before are open to women. There may still be discrimination on some countries like Japan or the Middle East, but mostly, it's there for the taking. Women just need to learn not to limit themselves by making excuses.

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Look at jusco (coz thats my fav hangout  ) what are the position there available, how many cashiers?
40 people? how many promoters/sales 40? waitress? 20? how many managers?3 how many supervisor? 10?
so how many girls working just to survive, and how many are actually working and hope one day she hope to reach manager level?
the odds are 40:1?
how many are career driven? how many doesnt even care? they work just to eat?


I'm not going to go down this road because the argument would be based purely on assumptions. I don't have statistics to prove otherwise, I only speak from experience.

All hierarchy's are structured like a pyramid. You are saying that people have to reach the top to live a comfortable life. I don't agree. People have different definitions of how much is enough and most people are content to stay at a certain level because the higher you climb, the more you have on your shoulders so we try to strike a balance. Not everyone aims to be CEO. My boss for example is content to stay where he is now and he rakes home a 5 figure salary.

You ask how many are driven? Well, I can tell you that it's no different with men. I'm not going to use Jusco as an example because that limits the scope of our discussion to a sector that doesn't pay well unless you are part of management. What you've just described is a scenario that every working person is faced with, both men and women. Where I work, there is a fair number of lady bosses. Heck the boss of my boss is a lady and she works harder than almost anyone I know. The way I see it then, a fair number are. What drives them on the other hand, I'm not going to guess. It isn't about how many women want successful careers. It's the fact that women are starting to see that they have opportunities now, and like I said, more and more will continue to want what was traditionally a piece of the pie served only to men.

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hence I say majority of the girls work to survive only a small handful work with a high goal set in their mind.

I'm not saying there is none, we're duscussing what drives this woman to work in general.


No different for men. I'm not saying that the majority of women who work, have high career expectations. I'm saying that with the success stories of women I mentioned earlier, more and more will want to emulate them. We all have role models in life, whether it be our parents or someone else. With more and more women attaining success these days, the pool of role models for women have widended.

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I duno if its safe for me to assume this, not many woman bosses made it entirely from their own. Most cases either from hubby or family s rich. Rich people know rich people the get more connection and more business, of coz you need the ability to run the biz, but then the odds of success if higher.


Money makes money regardless of what gender you are, that's a given. It's also who you know or rather, who knows you. I agree with all of this however I'd also like to think that there are women who earned it on their own. My aunt is one of them. She left school to become a secretary after form 5 to work in a PR firm. She loved her job and years later today, she owns her own firm and makes a really good living. I should know as I sold her an insurance policy back in the day and I'm one of the beneficiaries smile.gif She didn't know anyone. All her connections were made through her own initiatives. You won't hear of her or read about her, but it just comes to show that there are success stories we may not have heard of.

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If my father is a Tan sri, I can loan money from him to open lets say a grocery store (since I'm simply minded and always shop at one), I just shout to the world who my father is, I'm sure plenty would come and consign thier stuff to me coz they dun have to trust me, they trust who my father is. See how the advantage increased?


Same for men.

I think that women are becoming more empowered. This effectively means more competition for men in the workforce. I mean how many men can accept having a more successful wife? Given a choice, you reckon men would rather their wives stay home so as to not put a dent in their egos? I don't disagree that some women work because they have to help make ends meet. I also however realise that more women work because they want more out of life. Your husband can earn mega bucks but by earning yourself, you increase your combined income. It also gives you a sense of independance, spending money you earned on your own. You also grow in confidence and need no longer be submissive because like it or not, men tend to have more control over you when they are the sole income providers. A lot of the benefits from having a successful career are intangible and it's something money cannot buy. I can't pay to feel what it's like to have executed a project succesfully. I can't buy respect because to me, respect is earned, not given.

There is nothing wrong with not wanting all that. Not all men want that either which is why you have losers who mooch of their parents well into adulthood. I just don't want women to limit themselves in what they perceive to be a man's world. Also, natural instinct or whatever aside, I think it's best not to be dependant on another because I buy into the saying, " if you want things to be done right, do it yourself". This is what drives me in my career and if my future wife benefits from it, so be it.
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I thought you knew all about soulmates since you studied them? OR, instead of demanding that he tell you what they are, you can google it yourself?

People who talk about having found their soulmates haven't. People who have, don't talk about it.
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post Oct 11 2009, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Oct 11 2009, 11:37 AM)
I thought you knew all about soulmates since you studied them? OR, instead of demanding that he tell you what they are, you can google it yourself?

People who talk about having found their soulmates haven't. People who have, don't talk about it.
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I know about soulmates as I did had a spiritual teacher who told me about them, that is why I've never used the word, but you few are the one who uses them hence I ask if you all know what is the true meaning of soulmates, he even dare to say he will only settle for soulmates. doh.gif

It is not even have or have not....I'm asking you 2,

DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS SOULMATE, IF YOU DO CARE TO EXPLAIN
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lol everybody frickin knows about soulmates. you say you know all about them by studying them, which is really REALLY funny because you obviously didn't bother looking for your soulmate and settled for less ... so how would you know what a soulmate really is?

a soulmate is half of a twin soul. When they meet, they share a deep, intimate connection where they are sexually, mentally, physically, emotionally compatible. There's no explaining how you know you've met him/her, it's just knowledge. It's a personal knowledge that you keep to yourself, which is what I mean by "people who have met their soulmates don't talk about them".
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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 11 2009, 10:19 AM)
I would tell my baby girl make smaller dreams, its easier to reach my dear.


That is your perogative. I would like to coin the following phrase to whoever I meet. "Shoot for the moon and if you miss, you will still land amongst the stars". Could be something to do with the way I was programmed during my insurance days but aside from learning I didn't like that job, the training helped spur me towards greater things. It made me realise that the only people who can limit us, is ourselves. People tend to fear having big dreams because they don't know if they have it in them to push the envelope, or they focus too much on the possibility of failing. Success in life to me however is not about how many times you fall down, it's about how many times you get back up. We all come from different backgrounds and some have an advantage over others but life isn't about being dealt a good hand of cards, it's about how well you play with the hand dealt to you. There may only be a select few that attain a high level of success but who choose to focus on those that don't? Why tell yourself you don't have a chance before you tried?

I'm not a parent and I don't claim to understand what it's like to be one. All I know is that when I have a kid, be it a son or a daughter, I'd want them to have big dreams and then do my best to ensure they are on the right path of realising them. It may be hard but nothing worth doing comes easy. I'd much rather they try and fail, then end up asking if they could have done more but that's just me. I'd rather teach my kids to learn to accept disappointment and learn from it, rather than to fear failure.

QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 11 2009, 10:19 AM)
Oh you're near my age, but your mind and the way you express doesnt reflect that.
Don't think that's a fair comment based on what you said above.

QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 11 2009, 10:43 AM)
I think I finally understand the problem in here,
Many young people start out in life thinking it was one of the version of fairytales they've read,
hey I'm not looking down or teasing, I was once like that believing that love is the ultimate goal in life,
but when you actually doing it, you realized life is complicated and many many more things come in and make it more complicated
you need more than love, understanding, tolerance, money (which I emphasize coz I think its the greatest factor of phail marriage), luck, fate, determination, quality of man (which Debbie tried her best to highlight)

Many here think life is like cartoon, in cartoon or fairytales they dun show the couple paying bills and paying for the food, but in real life there is food and medication.


I agree with most of the things you said. I was once pressured into wanting to get married what with all my friends tying the knot one by one. Can't remember how many weddings I've been to in the last 3 years. The thing about fairy tales is that it ends at the wedding ceremony and then you see the caption, "happily ever after". The reality however isn't as blissful. When the fairy tale is over and reality sets in, the marriage is really tested. Some fail the test and drift apart but for those that pass, the bond gets stronger. I may not be married but I do understand quite a bit from observing and talking to close friends.

Having said all that however, I still don't think that people should accept the realities of others. Just because the proportion of people who find their soulmates are low, it deosn't mean you should give up your dream. Just know that it won't fall into your lap. You'll have to work hard at it an prepare yourself for the possibility that it may not be enough.

If I can summarise my whole post, I think the message would be that you draw your own limits. You decide how much you can get out of life. Some want more and some want less. How much do you want?

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post Oct 11 2009, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Oct 11 2009, 11:52 AM)
lol everybody frickin knows about soulmates. you say you know all about them by studying them, which is really REALLY funny because you obviously didn't bother looking for your soulmate and settled for less ... so how would you know what a soulmate really is?

a soulmate is half of a twin soul. When they meet, they share a deep, intimate connection where they are sexually, mentally, physically, emotionally compatible. There's no explaining how you know you've met him/her, it's just knowledge. It's a personal knowledge that you keep to yourself, which is what I mean by "people who have met their soulmates don't talk about them".
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hahaha, now only you google about soulmate doh.gif

do you know soul mate is not even necessary be your spouse? it could be your frens?
I was saving this for him, but since you had to be the smarter one so you kena first.

The reason soulmate is not a must is they could exist but in different time, maybe your other half was living 50 years ago. hence its impossible to find.

Finding soulmate is like finding yourself, its the twin. and the fusing is in the spirit, so its very rare my dear.

Anyway no point further discuss about it since obviously you;ve no idea what you're talking about and no point I educate you, coz you must be a spiritual person b4 you believe in such a thing as soul mate.



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