that is explicitly NOT true....there are even different cut offs for the same courses between their clayton and outlying campuses like gippsland.........

it is definitely easier to get into the msia campus than clayton.....a good example is that many who are rejected from their clayton medicine get offered msia medicine.......

in any case, if they want isat for international medical applicants in lieu of umat, why don't they also want isat for pharmacy?........

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Added on August 15, 2011, 10:06 amimu has NO problems filling their undergraduate pms programme........the post-graduate pms programme is less popular..........

it is not hard to figure out why imu-pms is more popular.....

after spending so much money, parents want to know their children have the option of staying on and working and even doing post graduate in the pms countries....and the pms pathways allows them to do so.....

on the other hand, graduates from monash msia have NO right to go work in australia......they do not qualify for 485 visa......the only chance is if they can get a job offer and use one of the employer/state sponsored visas......and i understand very few students can get job offers in australia right after graduation in msia......

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notts msia accepts aussie year 12 (ausmat/sam)........minimum atar 90.......

aiyo.....do you own research lah.....still want to be spoon fed........

all information are in their respective websites.......

first of all, recognition is by the moh, NOT jpa.......

second, there is no doubt all local programmes WILL be recognised.....unless you blatantly and openly contravene the rules, like cucms.........

thrid, the list strangely recognised pharmacy from uni of adelaide, which does not have a pharmacy programme......!

you are mistaken....

about 10 years ago, jpa sent students to japan to do medicine, and the graduates could NOT work in msia as these degrees are NOT recognised by the mmc........

and it is the MMC that recognises medical/dental/pharmacy qualifications, NOT jpa........and jpa CANNOT force mmc to recognise any qualification without due process.......

ie, it is up to jpa to check with mmc whether a uni they are sending students to is recognised or not, not for mmc to recognise whatever uni jpa decides to send students to..........

msia may be bad, but NOT that bad.....

the new mmc rule did not say whether it applies to pharmacy, or even dentistry.....so it probably does not apply.....

for medicine, they WILL look at your spm, and you must have minimum 5b's in the sciences and math to be eligible.........

bbb is the 'minimum'......the cut off can be higher (or lower) than that, depending on how many people with better results apply........atar required is also lower, at 90, compared to 95 in parkville..........

for profit business cannot afford not to fill all available places......

they cannot, as many a students do NOT have the money.....

and many b students are very keen to enter, and HAVE the money......

why are you surprised?.....

when you commoditise education (ie, let it be run under private enterprise, charging fees, admitting students based on ability to pay) you move education away from training the best people for the job market to training the richest people.....

this applies to all courses and professions, but the most social impact is of course in critical professions like healthcare.....

in defence of pharmacists, they are professionals, but msian conditions make it difficult for them to function as professionals, hence many becomes businessman....the main problem they face is the continued right of doctors to dispense.......something NOT practised in many other countries, including most of the developed world.....

all pills and capsules in msia now come in blister packs, with the name, dose and expiry date clearly written too..........it is illegal to sell 'loose' medicine now......

i must say, there is VERY little information in the imu website about this new credit transfer arrangement with otago and uq..........i think it was announced in 2009, so i don't think any student has transferred over as yet.....best that people interested talk to imu officers directly rather than depend on hearsay here.....i would be a bit apprehensive about an arrangement like this when there is no clear guideline on how one transfers over.....

you will have to define what you mean by average.....minimum for imu is bbb.....can you make that minimum?.....otherwise there is no point talking about this.....

of course, you can still get to do pharmacy in other ipts, some will take ccc, or even lower if they cannot fill places....

biology is not a pre-requisite.........

it is somewhat refreshing to note that people with borderline results are introspectively questioning their ability to undertake the pharmacy course.......

this contrast greatly with many wannabe doctors, some with often worse results, insisting they are able and should be allowed to enter medical school.....

the more relevant question is, do you intend to stay on and work.....

with current production levels, there will be a surplus of pharmacists soon, in tandem with surplus of doctors....the compulsory service for doctors may also be reduced, or even abolished within the next few years....

that will depend on how many bodies there are filling how many positions available....if the bodies exceed posts, some will have to go.....

when politicians make a decision, and then dream up acceptable reasons for that, it can get very creative and unusual.....

like the reasons given for giving up english....

the REAL reasons may not be very palatable.....

monash msia is no different from the other ipts.....they have to fill places, justify the programmes and salaries, and they have NO access to csp (commonwealth funding of students in oz) to choose the best students.....reality in msia is, availability of money is more important than ability of talents....nobody with less than atar 99 gets in csp medical places in clayton.....and they take in people with atar 93 in msia campus......

csp refers to places for oz citizens and pr's, open places, the most competitive..........in addition, they have bonded places, both rural, and special needs......lower requirements for rural/special applicants....

it is relatively more difficult/troublesome to apply to uk med schools with an aussie atar....best still to do a levels if the intention is to go to uk....

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Added on January 6, 2012, 11:55 pmutas coe are out.....see the med student thread.....

and results from monash as well, one way or another.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jan 6 2012, 11:55 PM