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 First review of the Proton Exora

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post Mar 17 2009, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Mar 17 2009, 01:25 PM)
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why dont u earn more money and buy a better car?

To quote your
"Malaysians enjoy giving EXCUSES instead of getting things done"

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What makes you think I drive a Proton? smile.gif Just because I'm criticizing with a goodwill with hopes that our national car industry would grow further makes you think I can't afford better cars? LOL!!! If someone tends to be defensive when people tells the truth then that person is at loss, not the person that comments. Remember that we're the master of our own destiny and successful people doesn't give excuses. This also applies to companies wanting to move forward.


QUOTE(travis_ckf @ Mar 17 2009, 01:29 PM)
They making an MPV cause they understand that what malaysian wants. They build a sedan saga cause they know what malaysians want for a sedan less than 40k. The persona is developed cause they know malaysia wants an affordable C segment sedan.

Spot on wink.gif Dont like it? Work harder buy a better japanese/korean marque. There always choices. wink.gif
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You're very lost on this smile.gif I don't think Malaysians wants crap cars. If MPV is what you want then get something made in China which is a lot cheaper as well. Why not? Because quality is also another concern in the Malaysians mind. As I've mentioned, typical Malaysian attitude of being defensive and full of excuses. I do not want to brag what I can afford to buy because that's not the point. The point is, if people are not able to see things rationally, there isn't much point to spend time explaining and convincing to them what's right. If you think a Proton is fairly priced then sure, by all means get it and vote for your favourite BN government. Everyone is entitled for their own opinion anyway.
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post Mar 17 2009, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Mar 17 2009, 12:59 PM)
As I've mentioned earlier, Malaysians enjoy giving EXCUSES instead of getting things done. The same applies to Proton and government so if everyone thinks doing things this way works (after 51 years of Independence) then go on like that for another 50 years but we'll end up NO WHERE. Every time we fail on something we are blaming and pushing things elsewhere. What's the point? smile.gif

Seriously, Proton should get a life and start making better engine and cars. What's with all these stupid Proton Chancellor or Juara models (for example). They should understand what type of cars people wants, not design something they feel they enjoy doing. What's next? A lorry running a 1.6 Campro CPS engine?

Back to the MPV, we're talking about a 7 seater using the same engine as a Waja or Satria uses so I seriously can't imagine how it feels driving uphill with full load. Worse still is the price of the MPV which is a daylight robbery to all Malaysians.
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Juara and Chancellor ?

Welcome to 2001 and 2005 smile.gif

I admit Proton did screwed up during Tengku Mahaleel era and our Premier back then was indoctrinating citizens to buy Proton just like 'Hail Nazi Hitler' made the first VW Beetle. The same method with South Korean government where they protecting their local auto industry.

Korean cars are sucks as well, in fact all pacific rims manufacturers are sucks like hell just like Jezza commented in Top Gear but it doesn't change the fact we still have room for improvement at least under Syed's regime.

The MPV introduction is just a start, we need a wide options of transportation in the catalog to cater the citizens eg: Bus, Minibus, 4wd Pickup,SUV, Van and etc.

Despite getting huge funds and financial backup from taxpayer's money, I'm quite positive with their current development now and hopefully one day we don't need to buy overpriced imports anymore. smile.gif

FYI : I never owned a Proton but I will not hesitate to own one if they managed to win our hearts and trust again.


QUOTE(kcng @ Mar 17 2009, 01:25 PM)
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why dont u earn more money and buy a better car?

To quote your
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Earning more money just for the sake of getting a better car is like becoming a slave for the car itself laugh.gif

I'd say get within your budget, If you're financially capable of getting a new E90 Bimmer from Auto Bavaria, why not ? smile.gif

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post Mar 17 2009, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Mar 17 2009, 02:28 PM)
What makes you think I drive a Proton? smile.gif Just because I'm criticizing with a goodwill with hopes that our national car industry would grow further makes you think I can't afford better cars? LOL!!! If someone tends to be defensive when people tells the truth then that person is at loss, not the person that comments. Remember that we're the master of our own destiny and successful people doesn't give excuses. This also applies to companies wanting to move forward.
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i dun care what car you are driving or if u own a car or if you are still a kid.
even IF you got a bmw, a better car will still be there....

when it comes to this nation sorry car industry, everyone always hide behind "criticizing with a goodwill with hopes that our national car industry would grow further" excuse, no?
what will hiding behind that line above make the commentor looks like? saying the grape is sour because they could not get a piece of it?

QUOTE(igor_is300 @ Mar 17 2009, 02:42 PM)
Earning more money just for the sake of getting a better car is like becoming a slave for the car itself laugh.gif
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and easily 90% of youngsters now is exactly that
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post Mar 17 2009, 03:55 PM

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Hey Clawhammer.... WHAT THE HECK YOU CRAPPING HERE?

This topic is regarding review/preview of Proton Exora, not Proton bashing. If you wanna screw Proton kau kau, go else where. If you have seen/drive an Exora before, then feel free to give your comment.
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post Mar 17 2009, 04:02 PM

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they say the design taken from wish,
so is the ride almost the same?
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post Mar 17 2009, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Mar 17 2009, 03:31 PM)
i dun care what car you are driving or if u own a car or if you are still a kid.
even IF you got a bmw, a better car will still be there....

when it comes to this nation sorry car industry, everyone always hide behind "criticizing with a goodwill with hopes that our national car industry would grow further" excuse, no?
what will hiding behind that line above make the commentor looks like? saying the grape is sour because they could not get a piece of it?
and easily 90% of youngsters now is exactly that
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You are unable to debate constructively and you certainly don't see a point of positive criticism could help smile.gif Dr. M posted a lot of such comments in his blog so do you think he loves the country or he's just trying to screw things up? I see that some of our leaders in parliament are plain crap and if our leaders could show that they have no quality, I seriously can't expect anything more from a forummer like you. As I say, you're the master of your own destiny so if you think you're doing it right then go ahead. At the end of the day, it is your loss, not mine (for having such attitude).

QUOTE(trashtalker @ Mar 17 2009, 03:55 PM)
Hey Clawhammer.... WHAT THE HECK YOU CRAPPING HERE?

This topic is regarding review/preview of Proton Exora, not Proton bashing. If you wanna screw Proton kau kau, go else where. If you have seen/drive an Exora before, then feel free to give your comment.
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That's none of your business. This is not your forum nor mine and if you dislike then don't read what I posted smile.gif They won't bring you to court or put you in ISA for not reading my posts and if you don't know what leads to this point, read further up in this thread on how it started. Please be matured, have well structured English posts instead of ranting like a low life. It doesn't help (at all) smile.gif
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QUOTE(aaswan91 @ Mar 17 2009, 04:02 PM)
they say the design taken from wish,
so is the ride almost the same?
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not sure about the ride..gotta try it yourself..

but when it comes to handling, proton never failed to deliver good handling..

let's hope exora is a good car..if you're only bringing 4-5 people at one time, it shouldn't be a problem for this car
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looks promising
will wait for the launching
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post Mar 17 2009, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Mar 17 2009, 04:27 PM)
You are unable to debate constructively and you certainly don't see a point of positive criticism could help smile.gif Dr. M posted a lot of such comments in his blog so do you think he loves the country or he's just trying to screw things up? I see that some of our leaders in parliament are plain crap and if our leaders could show that they have no quality, I seriously can't expect anything more from a forummer like you. As I say, you're the master of your own destiny so if you think you're doing it right then go ahead. At the end of the day, it is your loss, not mine (for having such attitude).
That's none of your business. This is not your forum nor mine and if you dislike then don't read what I posted smile.gif They won't bring you to court or put you in ISA for not reading my posts and if you don't know what leads to this point, read further up in this thread on how it started. Please be matured, have well structured English posts instead of ranting like a low life. It doesn't help (at all) smile.gif
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wow wow wow... who is being immature here. HEY, OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK AT WHAT SUBFORUM IS THIS! If you wanna debate on things like Proton being protected by the government, Proton unable to advance after all this years... go ahead and debate to your heart's content at the "Real Word Issue" subforum, but not here. HERE, WE TALK ABOUT CARS...

and who is ranting here? YOU! ranting non-stop about how bad Proton is, how crap Proton cars are. In fact, you start ranting about our leaders, Dr.M, etc.... are you out of your mind?

and yes... since this is not your forum too... I can comment whatever I want on your posting....

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post Mar 17 2009, 05:11 PM

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Proton Exora go go !
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post Mar 17 2009, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(trashtalker @ Mar 17 2009, 04:37 PM)
wow wow wow... who is being immature here. HEY, OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK AT WHAT SUBFORUM IS THIS! If you wanna debate on things like Proton being protected by the government, Proton unable to advance after all this years... go ahead and debate to your heart's content at the "Real Word Issue" subforum, but not here. HERE, WE TALK ABOUT CARS...

and who is ranting here? YOU! ranting non-stop about how bad Proton is, how crap Proton cars are. In fact, you start ranting about our leaders, Dr.M, etc.... are you out of your mind?

and yes... since this is not your forum too... I can comment whatever I want on your posting....
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Seriously from the way you posted, do you think people would think I'm immature and not you? rolleyes.gif LMAO. Please, look again at your posts and the more you post, it only shows your terrible English and level of education. As I've mentioned, read back a few pages before and see what leads to all these. I wouldn't explain the correlation between my posts with Proton Exora because it doesn't help since you have poor understanding of English. It's just like speaking to a wall that doesn't understand, lol.
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post Mar 17 2009, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Mar 17 2009, 04:27 PM)
You are unable to debate constructively and you certainly don't see a point of positive criticism could help smile.gif Dr. M posted a lot of such comments in his blog so do you think he loves the country or he's just trying to screw things up? I see that some of our leaders in parliament are plain crap and if our leaders could show that they have no quality, I seriously can't expect anything more from a forummer like you. As I say, you're the master of your own destiny so if you think you're doing it right then go ahead. At the end of the day, it is your loss, not mine (for having such attitude).
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ah another high and mighty personality we have here eh?
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thinking that only you can debate constructively and not others while being blind to what is in your context, it is indeed your lost.
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i feel sad for you to hide behind "criticizing with a goodwill with hopes that our national car industry would grow further" group.
IF you feel you can make a difference, go and make a difference. Don't be another what you put it, "malaysians".

indeed i really cannot expect anything from a mere forumer like you too.
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QUOTE(kcng @ Mar 17 2009, 05:39 PM)
ah another high and mighty personality we have here eh?
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thinking that only you can debate constructively and not others while being blind to what is in your context, it is indeed your lost.
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i feel sad for you to hide behind "criticizing with a goodwill with hopes that our national car industry would grow further" group.
IF you feel you can make a difference, go and make a difference. Don't be another what you put it, "malaysians".

indeed i really cannot expect anything from a mere forumer like you too.
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just forget about that bugger. He should be posting all his "constructive criticism" at http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/334826, instead of spoiling this thread. I mean, people click into this thread because they want to know how good/bad is Proton Exora, not about our incompetent leaders and all that stuff. He just spoils the topic.
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C'mon la.. We have to proud to Proton.. Not all country bulid car meh.. Especially the 3rd world country..even the 1st world country! Go!Go! PROTON!!
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QUOTE(kcng @ Mar 17 2009, 05:39 PM)
ah another high and mighty personality we have here eh?
rolleyes.gif

thinking that only you can debate constructively and not others while being blind to what is in your context, it is indeed your lost.
smile.gif
i feel sad for you to hide behind "criticizing with a goodwill with hopes that our national car industry would grow further" group.
IF you feel you can make a difference, go and make a difference. Don't be another what you put it, "malaysians".

indeed i really cannot expect anything from a mere forumer like you too.
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Way to go! rclxms.gif

Well, I'll be more than happy if Proton can get recognition worldwide for producing good cars ... but maybe that's a thing of the future. But this is a good turning point, don't you think?

QUOTE(Savvy88 @ Mar 17 2009, 06:12 PM)
C'mon la.. We have to proud to Proton.. Not all country bulid car meh.. Especially the 3rd world country..even the 1st world country! Go!Go! PROTON!!
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For a small country, we sure are good! laugh.gif

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QUOTE(aaswan91 @ Mar 17 2009, 04:02 PM)
they say the design taken from wish,
so is the ride almost the same?
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mana boleh ? wish got 1.8 n 2.0 while the exora is 1.6,well maybe one advantage is the mt transmission .
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proton still has a long way to go but they are on a right track and need to improve further as time goes on
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Mar 17 2009, 07:20 PM)
proton still has a long way to go but they are on a right track and need to improve further as time goes on
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need to improve thier image with people also la . some people immediatley asscoiate proton with not safe . lol ;x
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lets just see how this MPV fare after 1 year from its launch before the final judgement can be pass on it
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booking numbers dont always translate to sales
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Mar 16 2009, 05:54 PM)
If you notice correctly, the point is about why "Proton sucks" so in my response, I'm quoting other Proton models, not directly the Exora. Even if we want to compare the new Proton MPV, the price tag of RM70K+ for this MPV is again daylight robbery. IF they play a fair game by taxing a Toyota Wish of the same rate, how many would still go for the Proton?

The moment we speak about Proton cars, it doesn't give people confidence and there's no excuse because Proton has been here for close to 3 decades and that's 30 years!! People buy Proton because they don't have a choice and I believe majority don't mind paying RM10K more for a Japanese make.

If you insist that we shouldn't "prejudge any cars before it is even out and released to the showroom" then sure, let's review things again in another 2-3 months. I would be surprised if it's really that good because in the history of Proton, every model would be filled an unacceptable amount of complaints.
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dude i think the pretext ' you tak suka you keluar dari malaysia' is applied here to you.

Yes we live in a country where a honda city is almost twise its original price etc.


So since no one here want to stand up and revolt, just shut your mouth and accept things as it is. Your courage and determination and the fact u think its daylight robbery is only as good as the person hiding behind the computer in cyberspace.

To me, if i can afford a better car..why not? but 70k for a 7 seater is quite a good price considering ( And realising u are in malaysia and not in another cuntry)

and 10k more for japanase make..which one are u talking about?



And every new batch of cars have problems..even japanese tongue.gif like honda city and its gearbox......nothing is perfect. we wait we see and we experiment.

but for me, if i have such a big family and i need a simple budget weekend car..i'l take the proton exora anytime...70k, can carry 7 people....full load also can hit 160kmh....apa lagi lu mau

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