The turning point of the match for me was when Ferdinand passed back to O Shea and conceded a corner. Whatever happened the the old adage 'Clear first, talk later.' I am never for the idea when it comes to playing 'within' your own penalty box and it's been a shitty week for the defenders. As much as Ferguson rotated the midfield and attack, I think the defense (bar Evans) is feeling the tired legs and mind. O Shea and Evra have not been rested since Wembley nor has Ferdinand been rested. We bloody need Neville and Brown back!

Well firstly, I don't think anyone will visit your thread after losing to a team that isn't you. I mean what would be the point? It has no relevance to your thread. The reason Liverpool posters are here this time round is because the title race is on again. I don't know what's been posted before but I believe this to be the case.

I doubt that a loss in form will result in Liverpool fans going into hiding. Like I've said countless times, we've been living in your shadow for 2 decades and we're still around and will be for a long time to come. It's especially important for fans to stand tall when their team isn't doing well don't you think?
That isn't the point though mate, I mean the same could have been said about Fulham who had not beaten you at Craven Cottage since what? 1934? Aston Villa were tipped as favourites this season to ursurp the top 4 and for awhile they were in 4th. Fact is that they are or were a different force this season. You can play it down all you want but I do think they can trouble you because if you watched last night's game, they had chances to equalise and who knows what might have happened then?

You do realise that i am not taking the piss, nor am i trying to stir up anything. I am merely trying to defend one of your players who is at times i believe is taking a lot of unfair criticism from your own set of fans.

Well, I was the one who criticised him right after the game (for moaning and what not  ) in the first place, so i suppose i terasa chilli a bit, especially when i check the feedback/talkback sections of footie pages, so probably guilty as charged then.

Seriously though, some of those calling for his head now were probably worshipping his feet last season.

OLE Gunnar Solskjaer’s young reserves produced an impressive and mature display to claim three well deserved points at the Riverside.

Ross Turnbull, Justin Hoyte, Afonso Alves and Julio Arca were all in Middlesbrough's starting line-up, but United’s youngsters were unfazed.

Magnus Eikrem put the Reds in front, in the 14th minute, with a cracking free-kick after Lee Martin’s progress had been halted on the edge of the Boro area.

Boro made frequent visits into Ben Amos’s territory and went closest to finding the target in the 31st minute when Hoyte’s angled drive struck the bar.

The attacking pattern off the game continued after the break, but United always looked capable of hanging on to their slender lead.

UNITED: Amos, Eckersley, Fabio, C Evans (Wootton 90), De Laet, James, Eikrem (Stewart 72), Possebon, Macheda, Martin (Norwood 82), Brady.
Sub not used: Zieler

sorry to bring up this guys..i hate to say this but i thing i saw the future in my dream few days back..the team in red will win the league but its not the devils, its the burning bird or whatever you called it..

but i hope its not a deja vu for me come May..i still believe we can win the title..it will be tighter then last season for sure..

p/s: dont flame me regarding my dreams..its just a dream..LOL..

tell this to the liverpool fans.
"wheres the silverware boy?"

*off topic*
thestar yesterday published a photo of a shirt about the red devils stepping or killing the liver bird. anyone knows where to buy the shirt??

United are already looking for a new shirt sponsor for the start of the 2010-11 season and the Tata Group, the Indian company which owns Tetley, Corus, Jaguar and Land Rover and sponsors the Ferrari formula one team, confirmed it has been approached about the possibility of taking over from AIG.

22:55 ESPN Ch 812
Live Barclays Premier League 2008/9
Match: Manchester United vs. Aston Villa

thats g.neville hairstyle.. wow.. haha

Kiko Macheda's clinical hat-trick earned United a point as the Reds twice came from behind at St James' Park.

A draw was the very least United deserved from a see-saw encounter which ebbed and flowed until the final minute of stoppage time, when Lee Martin could have taken all three points for the Reds.

The result ends a run of three straight victories for United, but the pluck and guts on show in Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's team - plus an hour of action for club captain Gary Neville - provided a gleaming silver lining on Tyneside.

The first half was a relatively tight affair in which both sides converted penalties. Macheda slotted in for United after Claudio Cacapa had been penalised - perhaps a touch harshly - for handling the Italian's cross.

If that decision was soft, the award of Newcastle's own spot-kick was bewildering. Xisco's attempt to head a cross was slightly impeded by a combination of Neville and Ritchie De Laet, and the Spaniard's half-hearted appeals incredibly met with reward.

Xisco duly stroked the kick past substitute goalkeeper Conor Devlin, who had made a stunning reaction save from Cacapa's shot inside the six-yard box just moments earlier. The Irishman had earlier replaced Ron-Robert Zieler, who had injured his right arm.

The Reds could have retaken the lead almost immediately. Cameron Stewart fired Matty James' pass against a post, via a fine save from Fraser Forster, and then stabbed a subsequent cross over the bar.

Within three minutes of the restart, however, United were behind as Jonny Godsmark pulled a cross into the six-yard box for Mark Doninger to slide home.

The game lulled briefly as both teams drew breath, and Macheda superbly hauled United level again with 15 minutes remaining. Latching onto James' through-ball, the ice-cool striker rounded Forster and slotted between two Newcastle defenders for his second.

Danny Guthrie fired home what looked to be a fine late winner for the hosts, lashing in from 25 yards after James had been dispossessed, but Macheda popped up in the final minute to slip home a left-footed finish and restore parity.

United continued to rampage forward in search of a winner, and Martin was agonisingly close to turning in Magnus Eikrem's cross in the final minute of stoppage time.

By that point Neville was long since showered, having been replaced by Reece Brown just before the hour-mark. Having dished out and received a few sturdy challenges, this was a worthwhile examination for the club captain, whose attentions now switch to Aston Villa's visit on Sunday.

United: Zieler (Devlin 30); Neville (Brown 57), De Laet, Eckersley, Dudgeon; Stewart (Norwood 69), Possebon, James, Eikrem; Martin; Macheda.
Subs not used: Galbraith, Wootton.