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post May 7 2009, 09:36 PM

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Bad experience with DA. I had cancelled my both DA master & visa 2 months ago. They always charged late charges and interest even late payment of just 1 day. For example, the payment due date was 4th of each month. I paid by cheque at CIMB autopay machine on 1st of every month. Even it was a local cheque, they took at least 3 working days to clear it and the payment transaction always happened on 4th or 5th. I was so tired to call them asking for late charges and interest waiver every month.

Secondly, the bonus point expire every 3 yrs. They forefeited my 15000 pts when I was busy in overseas. Recently, I redeemed a voucher. I asked them to send it to my hse but they charged courier fee which was shown in the bill statement of the following mth!





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QUOTE(ellimist @ May 7 2009, 09:48 PM)
Erm, technically the cheque got in late, so system just computes interest, pretty normal right? Probably u could pay earlier or just go deposit it into the machine instead?

Well yea, they don't have evergreen points like HSBC or Citibank. You probably should have kept track and redeemed before you went.
And although it's rather annoying that they charge courier fee for the vouchers, but it is stated in the member's privileges booklet.
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Not really true. It all depends on banks...some banks are more flexible in giving grace period for late payment. I have HLB credit card too, and sometimes I did pay late (1 or 2 days late only). But they didn't charge interest and late charges in my next month's statement.

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QUOTE(tgeoklin @ May 8 2009, 02:21 PM)
Most banks actually has 1 or 2 days grace but CIMB really sticky about it. While they do waive it on request, its kind of lame to call in to waive off  minor amount etc. That's why I had since stop using their card.

Further, their cards are a joke, especially their World Mastercard series, which pales even in comparision to most card issuers' plat cards in the market. Can't help but wonder why they even bothered  hmm.gif
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I totally agree to what u said. I think only ppl like us who used other bank cards before would know DA and CIMB bad service. Not only HLB, I also own Citi Platinum and Alliance, when there's only 1 or 2 days late, there's no penalty charges.

Moreover, I don't know whether any of u have experienced this. When I showed DA card at purchase counter, some retailers had no idea on which financial institution it is and asked me, "which bank?" or "can it be used?"!!! I also found out that DA cards' swipes were much slower than other cards, impatient retailers might have to wait a bit longer for the slip to come out from swipe machine. My previous DA visa also got rejected when I used it in Thailand.







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QUOTE(ellimist @ May 9 2009, 12:03 AM)
I'm not a fanboy or anything, but seriously, just coz u don't get 1 or 2 days extra grace that's bad service? You're already getting like 20 days interest free period for a credit card -.- Yea if liquidity is a problem and the couple of days help, use another card which allows that.

And I don't think swiping speed has anything to do with the card. As for going overseas, I believe you have to notify them.

It's definately not a fantastic card or anything, but it's free for life and CIMB generally has discounts at a number of places I like, so no qualms from me laugh.gif
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Different cards suit different ppl. For those who r bearable with the bank's service, and hassle free to ask for annual free waiver, DA might be the card u want, especially for fresh degree holders. But I reckon it's more practical to use CIMA than DA, since both r under the same bank and have the same feature. Further, the former is more recognised widely.

For a frequent traveller like me, I opt for a globally recognised card like Citi. Holding Citi Platinum also gives me privilege in premium lounge at airport and philharmonic.
p/s: I m not working with Citi.
I have definitely informed all my bankers before I travelled overseas














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All the bank credit cards in M'sia are decent. What distingush their performance are the features and customer service. For Direct Access, the best selling point and benefit is free for life, without any conditions. Other than that, sorry to say that it just can't be on par with certain other banks. yawn.gif Under the CIMB group, I think DA targets more fresh graduates, while CIMB is more corporate based. So long as you are an unversity degree holder and have a decent job, your application for DA card can easily been approved. Because of this, some fresh graduates may use DA as an alternative to get other bank cards in future. My cousin who just graduated last year and now helps her dad in a shop, applied for Maybank, Public and Citi but got rejected. She then applied for DA and get the approval without any difficulties. 6 months later she applied Citi thru an agent at Shell petrol station by showing her existing DA card. She was then approved with Citi card with the same credit limit.
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ May 9 2009, 09:49 PM)
sweat.gif  sweat.gif
when u face problems, you still have mode to email?

what we as customer want is immediate solution!
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That's right, what we customers want is advice and solution on the spot. Because when people call the customer service, they must be facing an urgent issue to be solved. I really hate those customer service staff who have promised to call me back to advise me after my enquiries but NEVER get back to me!!! mad.gif


Added on May 10, 2009, 7:50 am
QUOTE(hye @ May 9 2009, 10:13 PM)
If anyone here made an analysis of CIMB cc products, they were nowhere on the map until they acquire Southern Bank and suddenly people started using CIMB cards. What happened was that the former head of cc @ SBB is now the head of cc business in CIMB.

Did they improve ? Yes ....
Compare them with other banks like MBF, AMBank, etc and I think these guys would fall into the Top 3 tier in the local cc issuers market. Don't compare them with the foreign players like Citibank, HSBC, etc where they are more established.

To the notion that all cards are created the same ? Perhaps but I believe that the distinguishing factor would be CS. Rate CIMB against MBF, AMBank, Bank Rakyat, Affin Bank (Affin CS's only works office hours only) and they are better off I believe.
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Yes, CIMB cc business has improved because of “free for life” cc from the former Southern Bank. But, why did you compare CIMB with smaller players like Bank Rakyat and Affin??? It looks like comparing Toyota Camry with Toyota Vios. Before the KLSE rally last month, CIMB ranked 2nd in M’sia in terms of market cap, after Public Bank but ahead of Maybank. Why not rate CIMB against Maybank and PBB. CIMB still has a long way to go….


Added on May 10, 2009, 8:06 am
QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ May 10 2009, 01:26 AM)
Just like CIMB Mastercard. Their reason to charge us the courier fee because their credit card is free-for-life is an absolute nonsense. Almost all banks now offer free-for-life credit card nowadays. You just have to ask for it. Silly CIMB  rclxub.gif

Standard Chartered Titanium Mastercard and Platinum credit card both need at least an annual salary of RM60k to qualify but the former is much more interesting.
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After DA charged courier fee for the RM50 voucher I redeemed, I called them to ask for waiver. The customer service staff said her company won't waive for it because they have already waived the annual fee of the card. Consumers need to be wary of "free for life" term, as this term always comes with a lot of strict conditions. Since they are so many other banks who also offer free cards, we consumers have many choices to choose other banks. But I think we must thank DA for being the first to create "free for life" cards, otherwise we won't be spoilt for choices now... brows.gif


Added on May 10, 2009, 8:06 am
QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ May 10 2009, 01:26 AM)
Just like CIMB Mastercard. Their reason to charge us the courier fee because their credit card is free-for-life is an absolute nonsense. Almost all banks now offer free-for-life credit card nowadays. You just have to ask for it. Silly CIMB  rclxub.gif

Standard Chartered Titanium Mastercard and Platinum credit card both need at least an annual salary of RM60k to qualify but the former is much more interesting.
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After DA charged courier fee for the RM50 voucher I redeemed, I called them to ask for waiver. The customer service staff said her company won't waive for it because they have already waived the annual fee of the card. Consumers need to be wary of "free for life" term, as this term always comes with a lot of strict conditions. Since they are so many other banks who also offer free cards, we consumers have many choices to choose other banks. But I think we must thank DA for being the first to create "free for life" cards, otherwise we won't be spoilt for choices now... brows.gif


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To hye,

No problem. We are here to review cc service and share our experience as cc users. You are welcome to reveal your good and bad experience, so that other ppl reading this thread can gain some information when dealing with respective banks.

I've never dealt with so many banks like what you did, but I did own a few cards issued by different banks, such as HLB, DA, Citi and Alliance. Let me share my experience here. I've so far had worst experience with DA as mentioned earlier, so I will not elaborate further. I have been using HLB since 1994, and I am still very happy with their service. The recent 5% cash rebate promotion is a plus point. I have been rewarded RM50 for 2 consecutive months. Besides, they sent those things that I redeemed in a week time without charging courier fee. However, the biggest disadvantage is that the card is not free, and I have to make a call requesting for waiver every year, even though I am their existing housing loan customer. Since I was advised by my banker friend not to own cc from more than 2 banks, I will cancel this card once the cash rebate promotion is over.

I own Citi Platinum. This card so far gives me the best service ever, probably due to the platinum status. I enjoy lots of privileges, especially when I travel overseas. Further, I feel very proud of showing this card while making payment, whenever with my gf and bussiness associates.

I've just applied for Alliance Younique, soon after I cancelled my DA early this year. I like the unique feature, which allows customers to choose any design they like. It really looks cool and so different from conventional cc. It also gives cash rebate and bonus point simultaneously. The bonus points collected will never expire. Another plus point is that it is free for life, with condition of minimum 5 swipes in a year. Alliance deserves a praise for their creativity. But I doubt whether they could garner a bigger market share because the number of branches is limited. Generally ppl will only own cc from the banks located near their house and office, or their existing banks where they can do online banking.





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QUOTE(ellimist @ May 10 2009, 09:52 PM)
Any chance he gave a reason for his advice?
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I was informed that cases on cc scam are on the rise in this economic turbulent time. When market is bad, there will be more new techniques of cc scam. It’s better to be conservative and alert while using your cc during recession. Moreover, you don’t know whether your personal particulars with the banks are safe and kept in confidential. Still remember the article in The Star few weeks ago about customers’ personal details being sold and leaked out? Another reason is that you’ll be spending less if you hold lesser cards. Just imagine, human being are so easily tempted by brochures if they have cc with lots of banks. They might end up buying things they don’t actually need by using easy payment scheme. Number of balance transfer also increases, resulting in snowball of outstanding balance and interest, as well as increase in cc defaults among younger cc users. Why do we still keep the cc that we seldom use? The fewer cc from banks you have, the fewer risk for you to be targeted by the cc scam and be fallen into the NPL category.


Added on May 11, 2009, 11:01 am
QUOTE(hye @ May 10 2009, 10:43 PM)
Citibank had a case where their agent applied 2 cards without me knowing. Plus Citibank and UOB had this little thing where they do not allow me to put the name that I want on the card. (Only this 2 banks, others are OK with me) UOB once pull off this little stunt where they refuse to temporarily increase my credit limit and i was overseas and needing a bit more limit to cover my hotel bill. (I'm left with about RM1-2K and I came this close to be held hostage by the hotel) Otherwise I have no complaints about this bank and they are very efficient when dealing with transaction dispute. (Some merchant tried to pull off a fast one with me but I won)

HSBC is OK but is a little dry on promos sometimes.
My fav is now the Alliance Bank cash rebate cc. They gave me less than half of my regular limit but I don't need that much coz this card is only useful up to the first RM5K. More than that then no more rebate.
Yeah ... DA holds a little bit of a sentimental value to me but maybe I'll cancel it if confirm no more iPay plan after June 2009. And I need to find out whether confirm I can't hold both a DA and CIMB card at the same time. Emm on second thoughts, I could still use it to get my petrol rebate beginning July 2009.

Guess it is about time to cancel my MBB Petronas and MBB SIA AMEX. Not really very useful to me.


Added on May 10, 2009, 10:47 pm

This card works best if you always buy things from Sony Wings. Well, there's so many cards out there which are free. Customer will just walk out unless banks match the "Free for Life" offer.

For example, HSBC offered me a 5 years annual fee waiver when I wanted to cancel. I was with them for only 2 years I think.
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It is not the case for Citi. The name appeared on the card is the name I want. It’s confirmed, because I own Citi cc.

Same thing happened to my Alliance cc. They only approved the credit limit which is less than half of the limit of my other cards. But I have no complains because this makes me spend less and cap my spending at no more than 5k on this card to enjoy the 2% cash rebate.



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QUOTE(tgeoklin @ May 11 2009, 11:20 AM)
I think the issue is not with the actual name but maybe some abbreviations etc.
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I did not my real name shown on IC. I used an Eng name + my surname

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QUOTE(arsenal @ Feb 6 2009, 01:22 AM)
Alliance Bank also have 3 months minimum payment interest free...
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QUOTE(bluffy83 @ Feb 5 2009, 05:31 PM)
If u apply within their promotion period RM 38 fee for picture on ur card should be waive.. PLUS 3 years annual fee waive and first 3 month free interest.
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Has anyone here encountered this unpleasant experience from Alliance Bank recently? I received my 2nd month statement for Younique card. They charged interest on retail transaction in the statement. I remember clearly when I called the CS last month, they told me that there won’t be any interest for the first 3 months. That’s why I only made minimum payment stated in the 1st month statement before the payment due date.

This afternoon I called the CS and made an enquiry about the interest charged in the statement. To my surprise, the CS girl told me that it is their company’s policy to impose interest on outstanding balance, and she kept arguing that she was never aware of such a promotion which gives interest free for 3 months. She said she can’t simply waive the interest and she will consult her manager on the interest free issue. OMG!!!! What kinda CS is this? The staff is not well trained and not familiar with the company’s ongoing promotions! I am still awaiting their response. I am thinking of lodging a complaint to Bridget Lai if I do not receive a clarification from them by tomorrow.

This incident really ruins my impression on Alliance. I feel cheated and annoying. The “instant interest waiver” promotion is clearly stated in their website below:
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https://younique.alliancebank.com.my/pop_rebate.html
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QUOTE(arsenal @ May 12 2009, 08:48 PM)
Winner,

I have encountered the exactly same situation. I made numerous phone calls plus fax then only they remove the interest charges. luckily i realise it before the payment thing. You may want to send an email to alliance cc and tell them about this incident.

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What? vmad.gif They used "free interest" to lure customers but they can't keep their promise when too many customers utilise the benefit! I won't be troubling myself sending email and fax, requesting something that has been promised. But if I am free to do so, it will be a complaint letter directed to their CEO.

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QUOTE(alexwsk @ May 13 2009, 09:20 AM)
why write to their ceo?
straight away write to Bank Negara better
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Wah...thinking of giving them a 2nd chance. If they don't respond by end of today, then I'll decide my next course of action. The CS girl and the one prepared the statement could lose their jobs if I lodge a complaint to BNM directly.


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QUOTE(hye @ May 13 2009, 07:30 AM)
I am thinking to reduce my CL for my Alliance's cc Cash Back card as I only intend to use up to a max of RM6K. (Cash back is only applicable for RM5K per month)

Would this improve my credit risk ? Need a second opinion ..
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Yes, to some extent. At least I can say that ppl can only hijack your card up to a limit of 6k only if this unfortunate incident happens.

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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ May 13 2009, 10:33 AM)
@winner,
I don't think people will be losing their jobs because of your complaint.  I believe the statement is automatically generated.  It's really not the fault of the individual.  Perhaps what is wrong is that they didn't brief their people properly before embarking on this marketing activity.
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Oh yeah..the issue has finally been resolved. The CS girl has just called and apologised, saying that the mistake was due to some technical problems. Huhh, "technical problem" seems to be the best excuse? She informed that my next month's statement will still be interest free. At least I feel a bit more comfortable for now.

I urge those currently holding Younique cards to check their statements thoroughly. If I took the statement easily and didn't practise consumer right, I would have fed the bank with extra money unconsciously.



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QUOTE(hye @ May 13 2009, 02:57 PM)
Thanks tgeoklin and tinkerbel. I called the Alliance Bank's CS already to reduce the CL. They ask me why and I said the cash back is only up to RM5K per month only - so having a higher CL than RM5K does not give me any benefit at all.

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That sounds logical. I may do the same to my Younique cc. Btw, it's confirmed that the max rebate per month is RM68.25, equivalent to 1.365% only.

68.25 / 5000 = 1.365%

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QUOTE(tgeoklin @ May 14 2009, 07:11 AM)
Its was introduced more than 10 years ago with no point system but a flat rate rebate of 2.0% with no cap limit & no condition such as carry forward balance etc. However, owing to its immense success, its was phased out after just a year of being introduced  sad.gif
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It would be good if they maintain the rebate rate at 2%. But they have now slashed it to 1%. Further, there is no reward points. I wonder whether the existing Visa Ess cardhorders are allowed to participate in the current HLB 5% cash back promo. It doesn't attract me now.

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QUOTE(Shinichi @ May 18 2009, 12:19 AM)
Sorry for asking this.
I currently only have these 2 cards and I'm using DA as my primary card now. I'm considering to switch my all spending to MBB Petronas as the points are evergreen compared to DA 3 years, and use DA for petrol only. Will this be a good choice?

My usage pattern: I spend RM500+- monthly on my CC and I prefer cash rebate anytime over points, hence for petrol I'll only use DA.
Due to my spending amount is low, I believe evergreen points will worth more to me. However the only 1 reason I would like to have MBB as spare card would be for 0& installment plan just in case I need it.
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From your explanation, I understand that your main requirements are cash rebates, free for life and evergreen points. At this point in time, I don't see any cards that offer all the combined benefits except Alliance Bank. The cash back from Alliance is applicable to all kinds of purchases. However, the number of branches is quite limited though. Convenience is the key element of consideration when choosing a cc. It is advisable to select a bank which is located near your house and office, or your existing bank which you normally do online banking.

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QUOTE(hye @ May 18 2009, 01:45 PM)
If you use this as a benchmark then SCB's JustOne card is slightly better than Alliance Bank's one. (Caution the cash rebate cap that JustOne have that Alliance don't have) Most of the guys here are right, cash rebate is better than points. Most points system sucks anyways and with cash rebate you save money right away.
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I do not agree with your view. Firstly, the SCB JustOne card is not free for life, and you need to spend at least RM15k per annum in order to get the annual fee waived. Secondly, the reward points will expiry every 3 years. Third, the maximum cash rebate per card per year is only RM600, compared with Alliance at RM819 (@RM68.25 x 12 month). Moreover, this card can serve as debit card too. It comes with cheque book facility and you MUST open a current account with them. hmm.gif


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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ May 18 2009, 05:16 PM)
I also like their discount at ISETAN, KFC and much more. But i hate their customer service and the fact that i need to pay the courier charges when they ship my shopping vouchers to me. They said they need to revert the courier charges to me because their credit card if free for life. ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? Basically all Malaysian banks are offering free for life credit card nowadays ...  mad.gif
Agreed.
Impossible to waive the annual fee ? And the hideous card design  laugh.gif
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Agree. DA really needs to improve their service. Their so-called “free for life” concept comes along with some stringent conditions. They are extremely strict in imposing late payment and interest charges. Courier fee is definitely a NO NO for customers. Plus point is their reward products have a good variety.

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QUOTE(Shinichi @ May 18 2009, 10:40 PM)
Thanks winner, don't think I will use Alliance Bank. As stated above, I believe best combination for me is MBBP as primary (evergreen points + free for life), while DA for petrol (cash rebates).
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To aerolim:

I suppose you are a cc sales personnel from HLB. Does HLB still have other cash rebate campaigns after the recent 5% cash back promotion? I'm thinking of cancelling my HLB cc as the cash back promotion has ended. My reward points are gonna expire in Aug'09. The 5% cash back was really good.
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QUOTE(santaclaus @ May 19 2009, 11:33 AM)
oh btw i asked the cs bout justone titanium :

1) no nid to maintain any min balance in the current account attached
2) the max rebate is rm600 p.a not rm50 pm ( if u used up all the rebate on month 1 , thr will not b anymore rebates for the next 11 months ) thumbup.gif
3) rebate 5% on friday n 2% on other days , based on transaction date not posting date
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Just concentrate your spending on every Friday to maximise the benefit of the 5% cash rebate. In case your annual expenditure on the card is less than RM15k and SCB charge annual fee for the 2nd year, then you can just redeem the reward points and cancel this card.

The 5% rebate is tempting. I think I’ll apply this card too, after I cancel my HLB. icon_rolleyes.gif

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