You didn't read my post properly. I am aware you're attempting to lift a lighter load of the 2 dumbells combined compared to your barbell bench poundage. I'm trying to elucidate that you simply can't estimate strength that way.

hehe... exactly my point there.
barbell not = dumbbell
well, try to get a spotter or reduce the weight if u r doing on ur own.
anyway, its ur call. =.= haha...
we cant force u to do anything, its all up to u. keke... goodluck bro.

When you hold a barbell, it's a closed system (well, semi closed). You could just squeeze the pecs or the lats to stabilise it --> so you mainly stabilise it in 1 plane. You are stabilising 1 weight with 2 points.

Dumbbells are so different. Each side is a single balancing system. each is an open system. You stabilise 1 weight with 1 point. You're stabilising the weight in 2 planes of dimension (2D).

It's hard (at least for me). I can only DB BP 25% of my barbell bench. =P

Skill and strength transfer is different individually based on a person's neural efficiency, how many motor pathways they can recruit, etc. Which is why there'll never be a fixed formula for bb/db comparison.

That's what i've been trying to drill into beginners' heads. Not that most listen. Bodybuilding = about feel, not about fixed formulas and routines. I'd give my left nut if there is any IFBB Pro doing 5 x 5 or 6 x 6 or calculating his next 1RM max, etc.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Apr 10 2009, 03:17 PM

Alamak, kena taruh. X^D
I couldn't grasp this feel and instintive thingamagick very clearly yet.
I mean, there has got to be certain guidelines that are used in instinctive training. I went through your current journal to figure out how you do your HVT and I'm still .

For example: Picasso. He certainly didn't start drawing Cubism the first time he started drawing. He would have learned conventional methods and basic rules of painting, before he became pro and broke the rules.
So in bodybuilding, how do I get from noob-state to instinctive training like you do?
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Hmmm, 5x5... sound like me.

i think different ppl got different ways.
its all bout how u feel and see whether it works for u or not.

Hello people..Ive recently joined a gym around 3 months ago and I plan on taking this brand called ON and it says on the label gold standard 100% whey. So I was wondering is there any side effects taking protein? Thanks.

I just came back from gym.
There is this guy, i think weight around 65-70kg max.
he is around 170-173cm.
he was doing squat.
started off at
70kg x5
90kg x5
110kg x5
120kg x3
when he reach 130kg, i got a feeling he is going to stumble.
he didnt ask for any spotter, but somehow my heart says go...
so i went...
true enough after his 1st rep, on his 2nd rep, he fell... backwards!
i was like wtf... lucky i grab the whole bar in time.
and manage to do a deadlift pose... muahaha!!! =.=

damn... i dun know wats gonna happen if i am not there...
coz he fell straight down and if i didnt catch the bar, he is so gonna get hurt... but yet again... he is strong. =.=

These things i preach are not from myself. They're from Terry Gallyot, ex-Mr Asia whom i had the honour of meeting and training under him a few sessions. Hola Bola, another mentor of mine from the States taught me the same thing. They laughed when i told them about 5 x 5, 6 x 6, etc. Terry's famous words that're always drilled into my head. Bodybuilding will ALWAYS be about feel. Not what is expected to be lifted in the next session on a piece of paper. It's that simple. =)

I always say, let a person's physique speak for himself. If you want mass, who're you going to listen to? The guys who talk smack here about how much research they've done and talking like they know it all but have no physiques to even speak about or the ones who actually post their videos and have pics of themselves? This mentality is not just common in LYN, but also in BB.COM. We'll experience people who talk shit everywhere but at the end of the day, it's up to us who to decide to listen to no?

Yes, it makes your penis shrink.









Sigh.... obviously not. That's one of the best protein brands out there. Go for it,

lol, he is an idiot?
no safety pin meh?>

hmmm... safety pin?
errr... i dont think my campus gym has any of those.
and he aint an idiot.
i kinda respect him though.
he is a very nice and humble guy.
he is very very quite person and not cocky type.
i guess his leg just gave way at the moment he tried the 2nd rep.
he is taking 2 times his weight.
nobody laughed at all even when he failed, coz i think he gave his best shot and look at the weight he is carrying.
if it were to be double my weight, i think i am suppose to be carrying 170kg.

Yes, it makes your penis shrink.
Sigh.... obviously not. That's one of the best protein brands out there. Go for it,

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LOL I heard steroids makes it and ur balls shrink. Well yeah many said its a good protein. Thanks.

oh my bad then, i though he dint make use of the safety pin
seriously, none of us is going to laugh!

i only laugh to those when i enter the gym, those doing biceps curl, when i taking my post-drink, they are still doing biceps curl

haha... if he has a small bicep, then by all means u suka laugh then u laugh la... but if he has 17 inch toned bicep, would u laugh? haha...
just pulling ur leg... i know wat u mean.

yeah... our squat rack is just simple and no safety pin or watsoever.
its just a bench press bench which can do incline and decline. so just push off the seat, and wah lah... thats our squat rack. =.=


This post has been edited by JonYeap: Apr 10 2009, 06:41 PM

How true, I noticed the same thing. Hahaha...

I met that indian guy again, he came at 5pm+. I bet he gonna make lotsa people jaw drop today.

He was there yesterday also, and apparently a lot of the regular chinese guise approach him for advise. lulz! These chinese guise are all train hard fellas. His arms damn distracting must be, lulz!

Beast oh beast.

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Added on April 10, 2009, 7:58 pmGood spotter lare you.

Earlier I did deadlift, but only max 50kg. I can do more maybe max 70kg, but me stupid fukken gloves are lousy. Hurt my fingers so badly, I need a better gloves. Can see wrinkles, and my skin are getting rougher. I know that my deadlift is still not good, but my body is okay. Hamstring work more usually not my back.

You guise really powderful, and most people here squat 100kg max, deadlift about 90kg max. This is what I've seen here so far. The real beasts usually come at night. I don't train during peak hour, no chance to train. And there are so many bloody posers around.

This post has been edited by zeist: Apr 10 2009, 08:00 PM

Wow no, I've dropped 140kg before trying to hit 1RM. There's no safety in my gym. If there is, I can't get low.

@darklight's comments on dumbbells. I would like to reiterate that if you bench a lot, it's not like you can dumbbell press a lot. It doesn't work that way, and even with a little deficit like he said, it would be likely that you struggle.

I don't have to balls to go heavy with my squats and deadlifts. Reason being the gym I go to isn't very complete, so no squat rack. I'm currently lifting the barbell for squats off the benchpress 'hook'. Hard enough to get it off and then move away from the bench to get into position, let alone add more weight. And I'm not going much heavier for deadlifts because I'm afraid of forsaking form to lift heavier, resulting in me injuring my back.

I can imagine how you carry the bar from the bench press hook.

I have to sit on the bench, bend down to easily a 45-degree angle, go under the bar and lift it up on my shoulders, then slowly move myself backwards away from the bench and into position.