there is a dental school, twinning with indonesia........

there is no indication there is any medical programme........and i think there is already too many new programmes all starting at the same time........the gov (if they have any backbone) should freeze all attempts at starting medical schools for the next 5 years.........especially in view of the likely surplus of graduate doctors by 2015.........

duh..........yes?

there are so many 3+0, 4+0 twinning degrees for all kinds of courses by so many ipts.........all these while.........using the partner uni's syllabus, and graduating with their degrees......but conducted wholly in msia........

in fact, mahsa's own physiotherapy degree is twinned with uni of northumbria in uk.........after 4 years here, you get a british degree!.......a relative is doing that there......

there is nothing in their website about such a programme.......

if your ter is 80, i would strongly advise against attempting medicine......i know you started the sam programme very late........maybe you should consider repeating sam, like visualize, and attempt to achieve a better result, to qualify into a better medical school........

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Added on February 20, 2009, 9:26 pmon a side note, these new upstarts are really digging into the bottom of the barrel, accepting people with ter80 into medicine..........i fear for the future of the profession.......

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sigh.........another 'forced' medical student.....living the parent's dreams........

if i were you, if you really have little interest, i would just say a firm NO......full stop.......

maybe it is best, if you do go do medicine, to choose the worst one......easier to pass.........you WILL suffer, and maybe even flunk out, in good med schools.........

now you are saying my lines?....... ........what do you think is happening with the russian, indian, indonesian trained doctors..........and locally trained doctors through matrik/asasi pathways......

i am at the point of giving up........i don't care anymore.......the politicians don't care shit about the healthcare of the people, too many vested interests......all my efforts at explaining about quality, care in training doctors, at the end people just only care for themselves.......parents just want their mediocre offsprings to have the glamour of being doctors, by hook or by crook.......

i will choose the doctors who will treat me very carefully in future......i advise you all to do the same.......we are becoming like indonesia.....or worse......see how many indonesians don't trust their own doctors, and go to spore, msia for treatment.........maybe one day msians will go to indonesia for treatment!

sorry.........these are places which take in substandard students.........so they are all branded.....

how does one know whether a doctor from russia, india, indonesia, really deserved their places, or they just bought it........??? ask for their spm and pre-u results first???

so ALL graduates from these places are viewed with suspicion.....until proven otherwise........

same for ipts med schools in general........

nus, non-malays from ipta, western world graduates.........they have to be GOOD to get in, that we all know.........

i don't think many people, sam90's parents included, know the difference lah......a loktor is a loktor lah......

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Added on February 21, 2009, 5:33 pmit is not fair to expect the general public themselves to vet the quality of doctors they entrust their lives to.......

it is the duty of a country's regulatory body to ensure all doctors registered are competent......mmc is unable to do that because they are forced to register doctors from many med schools with poor and inconsistent quality products.......many of them within the country itself........and imagine.......mmc, and the profession, has NO say at all, in the setting up of new med schools.....nor the numbers graduating....nor the minimum quality of students admitted......that is decided by the mohe.......and the business running the med schools for profit.....as far as they are concerned, they have empty seats, ter 70 also can accept......

messed up education system indeed........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 21 2009, 05:54 PM

few msians get into top indian med schools like all india, christian med coll, too tough to get in lah......the very vast majority come from those well know for taking in foreigners, especially msians.......

don't have to go round in circles lah.....this issue discussed so many times before......

he is completely WRONG..........

and he probably belongs to the group who maybe should NOT do medicine........

mara and ireland.......bad combination.......they have an internal arrangement to accept not so good mara students into medicine......

mara also has an arrangement with auckland where their scholars proceed automatically into 2nd year medicine, whereas others (some 1000 students in 1st year health science) fight to get into the 200 2nd year medicine places......an arrangement VERY unpopular with the other international full fees paying students there fighting for the limited places........some got much better results, but cannot get a place, whereas the mara scholars with poorer results get automatic progression to 2nd year.....

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because they cannot qualify to get into good reputable med schools.........

just like the thread starter, ter 80.........no way possible to get into oz (they ban people below 90 from even applying), too low for imu, pmc, mmmc, aimst,........you look hard enough you will find a place........if not mahsa, cucms, russia, some indian 3rd tier med schools.........yes, you are right, anyone can be a doctor......in russia, you pay some money you can get a pass mark.......

but they SHOULD NOT........and the country should have prevented them from doing medicine.......

you will NOT see this kind of stupidity in developed countries.......

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Added on February 21, 2009, 8:09 pmnothing wrong with many.......just amongst them, are some who should not have got in, and who should not have graduated.......

ie lack of consistency....

makes it difficult for people to know who is what......

that's all........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 21 2009, 08:24 PM

when i am faced with a russian graduate, i dunno if he is like hocklee who scored cgpa 4.0 (i am guessing) and preferred to go to russia, or leehock who had 3B 4C 2D in spm and bought a place and degree there........

tell me, how do i tell the two apart?........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 21 2009, 08:36 PM

not 'sub-standard' lah, it's all relative......

maybe someone with ter94.......will have got into any of msia's ipts med schools.......

but in auckland, someone with ter94 will likely not get high enough results in the 1st year (health science, open entry) to qualify to proceed to 2nd year (medicine)......even someone with ter96 standard may not get in.....(average of 1000+ students enter, to fill 250 places in medicine from 2nd year).....but because it a gov to gov arrangement, mara and jpa scholars will automatically qualify into 2nd year (medicine).......someone with better ter score, and have better 1st year result may not meet the cut off and denied entry.........

this is a special arrangement with some countries......ireland, nz, used to be some uni in oz........don't think any in uk involved........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 21 2009, 09:50 PM

many of the 'public'.....mostly parents who want their children to live their dream of being doctors, actually support this easy access into medical schools.......they see this as a counter weight to the restrictions imposed on non malays in the entry into ipta med schools........and against mono-ethnic institutions like mara.......

like most problems in this country, the main reason for this huge mess is politics.....

utar has been fighting for their own medical school for years.....but refused permission......and mahsa came from nowhere and get a license.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 22 2009, 12:23 AM

just got off the phone with an indian doctor......as in indian national contract doctor, serving in a rural hospital in msia........

the referral is a patient with fresh quite profuse bleeding per rectum.......and the only cause the poor india trained doctor could think of is haemorrhoids........can't offer any other differential diagnosis......

maybe hypermax will want to offer some suggestions.......

see what i mean by problems with india trained graduates.......?

any graduate from top med schools in india will not be working in a remote hospital in msia..........

so you want me to ask all doctors where they graduate from?......how about their pre-u results as well.......?

i don't care, there are just TOO many poorly trained doctors coming out from these countries, including india........

not going to offer some differential diagnosis?

should be at fingertips, for a final year student.......

maybe not......maybe furiously looking up surgical textbooks.......or maybe not........

that answer along renders you close to failing already immediately.......

one more stupid slip, and you will have failed a surgical viva........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 22 2009, 01:32 AM

precisely.........you have NOT understood the question/clinical scenario i presented above......and that suggest a problem........

go think about it for the night, and i may shed some light on this tomorrow........

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Added on February 22, 2009, 1:36 amit is a very major mistake, one that should not be made......... and i can see the difference in the quality of knowledge immediately between the two of you......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 22 2009, 01:36 AM