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post Feb 20 2009, 02:50 PM

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RM250K for a newly setup IPTS is very expensive. AIMST which is more well established and recognized by the MMC cost only 220K.

Seriously, why do we need so many medical schools? Does MASHA have enough lecturers to run the medical course?
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post Feb 21 2009, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(SAM90Gil @ Feb 20 2009, 09:03 PM)
yup , i received the letter today. Well... i think...its for those doctors-wannabe?  my result is not so good, and of coz i dream of goin into aimst but i doubt i can enter aimst bcoz they give priorities to their sc.foundation student/form6/a-lvl..

i sat for SAM and my result sucks, TER80.35, 4B 1C. so i think its a gud news for me. if any1 else receive the letter, tell me wat u think... i wanna do a survey on hw many ppl is goin there to study. ^^
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Well, if your result is only TER80, you need to work really hard in medical school, as medicine is quite tough and requires a lot of hard work. BTW, i would suggest enrolling in other more established medical schools, as you will most likely be caught up in the doctor surplus period. When that time comes, the gov will most likely employ medical graduates from better known medical schools.

Just my 2 cents.

QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Feb 21 2009, 12:29 PM)
Yes, the increasing number of places offering medicine in Malaysia is really ridiculous. In future, there may even be doctor peddling medicine on road side soon.
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Yeah man, Malaysia boleh.

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post Feb 21 2009, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 21 2009, 01:20 PM)
sigh.........another 'forced' medical student.....living the parent's dreams........

if i were you, if you really have little interest, i would just say a firm NO......full stop.......

maybe it is best, if you do go do medicine, to choose the worst one......easier to pass.........you WILL suffer, and maybe even flunk out, in good med schools.........
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If that's the case, the public will suffer. sweat.gif
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post Feb 21 2009, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 21 2009, 01:59 PM)
now you are saying my lines?....... smile.gif ........what do you think is happening with the russian, indian, indonesian trained doctors..........and locally trained doctors through matrik/asasi pathways......

i am at the point of giving up........i don't care anymore.......the politicians don't care shit about the healthcare of the people, too many vested interests......all my efforts at explaining about quality, care in training doctors, at the end people just only care for themselves.......parents just want their mediocre offsprings to have the glamour of being doctors, by hook or by crook.......

i will choose the doctors who will treat me very carefully in future......i advise you all to do the same.......we are becoming like indonesia.....or worse......see how many indonesians don't trust their own doctors, and go to spore, msia for treatment.........maybe one day msians will go to indonesia for treatment! shakehead.gif
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Now now, that's generalization again. Not all doctors trained in these countries are shitty. Many are bright students on JPA scholarship. Also, many Unis in these countries are more established than the newly setup local IPTS.

Mind, you, i do agree with your point that only bright, dedicated, and interested students should enter medical course smile.gif

QUOTE(SAM90Gil @ Feb 21 2009, 02:32 PM)
yup yup yup...totally 100% agree. lets see what happens in future lah. for now...i jz wanna know who else receive the letter... XD 

but nt all students who study med wil choose to become doc.

my lecturer told me this (nt sure if its true)

a guy studied med, came out, do marketing on lab equipment.

another fren told me, his cousin(again i'm nt sure how far this shit can be true)  studied med then spend money to take up music and art performin shitz.

i know u guyz muz be thinking. "omfg, wat an idiot!! spent so much to study a course that he doesn't like!! why the hell he study med in the firz place??"

yup, ter is very low, i know, i'll work hard on that. thx for giving advice, i did apply for aimst and cucms. but i think 99.998% they'll reject my application. ^^
i know, my dad is a joker, he knows nth in all this education stuff. he's 65 this yr.
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My advice, try to aim for AIMST by joining its foundation first if your SAM result is not accepted. I am not sure about CUCMS but I strongly advise against it as it is also a new medical school.

Dun bother trying for IMU (local MBBS), MMMC or PMC, as the tuition fees are way too expensive, definitely not worth the money. Monash Malaysia is also a good option, as it is recognized by AMC. However, your TER must be >96 to be eligible.

Perhaps you can repeat SAM, try to score TER>90, then apply for IMU's PMS option. It is a very good programme.

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post Feb 21 2009, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 21 2009, 04:52 PM)
sorry.........these are places which take in substandard students.........so they are all branded.....

how does one know whether a doctor from russia, india, indonesia, really deserved their places, or they just bought it........??? ask for their spm and pre-u results first???

so ALL graduates from these places are viewed with suspicion.....until proven otherwise........

same for ipts med schools in general........

nus, non-malays from ipta, western world graduates.........they have to be GOOD to get in, that we all know.........
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Self praise eh? Since you are a medical graduate from UM brows.gif

Are you aware how many famous Indian grad doctors are serving in our country? Also, there are many incompetent doctors from western countries as well as IPTA (non-bumi). If you are a practicing doctor in hospital, you should be aware of these facts. Never judge where a doctor is from, but instead judge him/her based on capabilities. nod.gif

I am not sure about indo and russia, but as far as India is concerned, graduates from Top medical schools are generally competent, as these schools want to maintain their reputation.


Added on February 21, 2009, 6:32 pm
QUOTE(haya @ Feb 21 2009, 04:57 PM)
SAM90Gil, it is good that you recognise your weakness. If I were you, I would ask your father/parents one simple question: would they want to be treated by a Russian/Indonesian/Indian trained doctors? If they don't mind, then go to Mahsa and come out to be their personal doctor. If they do mind, tell them that is the kind of doctor you will end up if you go to Mahsa.
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Seriously, this statement is very biased. It shows that you know nothing about medicine. Stop giving advice if you dun know anything about it. doh.gif

So you are implying that ALL doctors from these countries are incompetent? rclxub.gif shakehead.gif

Also, the MASHA programme hasn't even started yet, how can you tell whether it is good or bad?? doh.gif

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 21 2009, 06:44 PM)
few msians get into top indian med schools like all india, christian med coll, too tough to get in lah......the very vast majority come from those well know for taking in foreigners, especially msians.......

don't have to go round in circles lah.....this issue discussed so many times before......
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You should tell your dear friend/relative haya to stop generalizing. doh.gif

Many Msians doctor are from KMC Manipal, which was ranked no.7 in India last year (not bragging, just facts, and KMC has nothing to do with MMMC) icon_idea.gif

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post Feb 21 2009, 08:56 PM

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Passion is definitely a requirement for medicine, so is intelligence. If one is not bright enough, how can he/she respond when there's an emergency case?

There's a reason why only top students can enter med school in western countries you know?

BTW, MARA has arrangement with western U to allow substandard students into medicine? That's really unbelievable.

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post Feb 22 2009, 12:35 AM

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As the result, future doctors will be forced to obtain well known specialist degrees which will distinguish themselves from other incompetent doctors.


Added on February 22, 2009, 12:43 am
QUOTE(Visualize @ Feb 22 2009, 12:30 AM)
shocking.gif  I guess it's because the public consisting mostly parents do not realize the negative consequences of the mushrooming of IPTS med sch. For example, if the news of buyable-degree from Russia is exposed on the frontpage of The Star, I don't think the public will simply ignore it.

limeuu: You should try writing to The Star.
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Try doing that and you will definitely be killed in no time. There's too much profit involved. sweat.gif

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post Feb 22 2009, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(Visualize @ Feb 22 2009, 12:53 AM)
Hence, there is no way to stop the mushrooming?
Not so serious lah..  sweat.gif
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Hopefully when Pakatan comes to power, they will do something about it. YB Lim Kit Siang is well aware of such issues in Malaysia, and he even blogged about it.

Trust me, when big money is involved, it's that serious. sweat.gif
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post Feb 22 2009, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 22 2009, 01:03 AM)
just got off the phone with an indian doctor......as in indian national contract doctor, serving in a rural hospital in msia........

the referral is a patient with fresh quite profuse bleeding per rectum.......and the only cause the poor india trained doctor could think of is haemorrhoids........can't offer any other differential diagnosis......

maybe hypermax will want to offer some suggestions.......

see what i mean by problems with india trained graduates.......?
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May i know where did he graduate from? There are many medical schools in India, and most medical grads from the top 10 schools won't make such mistake.
Also, pls dun generalize based on one doctor's performance.
BTW, i am not an Indian grad. You should know that.

BTW, why did you talk to him on the phone so late at night? He's your MO or houseman?

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post Feb 22 2009, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(MBChB @ Feb 22 2009, 01:11 AM)
Personally I think that medics that graduated from Malaysia is not any less inferior compare to UK grad. What set them apart is perhaps the emphasis of communication and willingness to do a self-directed study
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Just curious, are you a UK grad?
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post Feb 22 2009, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 22 2009, 01:12 AM)
any graduate from top med schools in india will not be working in a remote hospital in msia..........

so you want me to ask all doctors where they graduate from?......how about their pre-u results as well.......?

i don't care, there are just TOO many poorly trained doctors coming out from these countries, including india........
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Well, if you want to put it that way, then it's fine with me. smile.gif

BTW, is he your MO or something? I thought you are a district health director? Health director needs to run rural clinic?? rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 22 2009, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 22 2009, 01:19 AM)
not going to offer some differential diagnosis?

should be at fingertips, for a final year student.......
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Nah, lazy to think. Have been studying the whole damn day need some rest.

You are really good at avoiding questions, aren't you?
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post Feb 22 2009, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 22 2009, 01:25 AM)
maybe not......maybe furiously looking up surgical textbooks.......or maybe not........
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Haha, yeah, i am. laugh.gif

You as an experienced doctor, why dun you give me differential of upper GI bleed?

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QUOTE(MBChB @ Feb 22 2009, 01:28 AM)
Yes  biggrin.gif
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May i know where you graduated? Currently working?
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post Feb 22 2009, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 22 2009, 01:31 AM)
that answer along renders you close to failing already immediately.......

one more stupid slip, and you will have failed a surgical viva........
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I dun get what you mean. doh.gif
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post Feb 22 2009, 01:37 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 22 2009, 01:34 AM)
precisely.........you have NOT understood the question/clinical scenario i presented above......and that suggest a problem........

go think about it for the night, and i may shed some light on this tomorrow........


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it is a very major mistake, one that should not be made......... and i can see the difference in the quality of knowledge immediately between the two of you......
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Haih, i am asking you an entirely different question lar doh.gif i wasn't answering your question. Rectum is confirm lower GI lar. Any medical student know that lar. rolleyes.gif

Let me ask you another question, what's the most common presentation for Upper GI bleed? IF you dun know you can jump. brows.gif

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 22 2009, 01:41 AM)
if there is anything worse than an incompetent doctor, it's a dishonest one.......
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What the....
That's bloody obvious that i was asking you another question. doh.gif
So, what's the answer to my simple question?

In the end of days, you are going to ask me all the questions while you answer none of mine?

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QUOTE(MBChB @ Feb 22 2009, 01:43 AM)
Not working yet. Doing my clinical in Uni. of Man
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I see. May i know which year? You on scholarship?
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So after graduating, can you stay there and specialize? Or do you have to come back to Msia?

My god, limmeu, it takes you so freaking long to answer my upper GI question? Are you really a medical graduate from UM?

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