Any of you receive Offer Letter from MAHSA regarding Medicine programme? How much is the total cost for the programme? rm250k. ?

Another IPTS offering medicine again? You received the offer?

RM250K for a newly setup IPTS is very expensive. AIMST which is more well established and recognized by the MMC cost only 220K.

Seriously, why do we need so many medical schools? Does MASHA have enough lecturers to run the medical course?

i received physio instead, lolz

there is a dental school, twinning with indonesia........

there is no indication there is any medical programme........and i think there is already too many new programmes all starting at the same time........the gov (if they have any backbone) should freeze all attempts at starting medical schools for the next 5 years.........especially in view of the likely surplus of graduate doctors by 2015.........

i checked the website...it says 5+0...how is that 'twinning'? study in malaysia, but graduate with a foreign degree?

duh..........yes?

there are so many 3+0, 4+0 twinning degrees for all kinds of courses by so many ipts.........all these while.........using the partner uni's syllabus, and graduating with their degrees......but conducted wholly in msia........

in fact, mahsa's own physiotherapy degree is twinned with uni of northumbria in uk.........after 4 years here, you get a british degree!.......a relative is doing that there......

yup , i received the letter today. Well... i think...its for those doctors-wannabe? my result is not so good, and of coz i dream of goin into aimst but i doubt i can enter aimst bcoz they give priorities to their sc.foundation student/form6/a-lvl..

i sat for SAM and my result sucks, TER80.35, 4B 1C. so i think its a gud news for me. if any1 else receive the letter, tell me wat u think... i wanna do a survey on hw many ppl is goin there to study. ^^

there is nothing in their website about such a programme.......

if your ter is 80, i would strongly advise against attempting medicine......i know you started the sam programme very late........maybe you should consider repeating sam, like visualize, and attempt to achieve a better result, to qualify into a better medical school........

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Added on February 20, 2009, 9:26 pmon a side note, these new upstarts are really digging into the bottom of the barrel, accepting people with ter80 into medicine..........i fear for the future of the profession.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 20 2009, 09:26 PM

i didnt know..never considered those...

Very late? Meaning 2008 March intake is it?

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=853079&hl=

TS: Something is wrong here. You took it in May. Which college did you go to? As far as I know, most colleges offering SAM won't allow any students to enroll at most 1 month after the last intake (March) begins which is around mid-April. In Taylor's, they stop accepting students even before the intake began.

wakakakaka....well, olympia college can. I did my SAM in olympia college. And for those guys in taylors u all are really lucky bcoz, got extra class, lecturer understands about how to sit for exam. Days b4 i sit for ESL exam, i went to this small seminar held by 1 of the lecturer in taylors "which i will not reveal his/her name" . I REALLY LEARN ALOT DURING THE SEMINAR, like, u muz quote certain stuff from where u get the info (essay) and topic sentence shitz. IN olympia college, no such thing. But of coz, olympia college is cheap and worth it. How much u pay is how much u get. KL's olympia, nt pj/subang/etc...


LIMEUU: dun check their website, they haven't upload yet. CALL AND ASK. their staff will tell you starting this year they'll offer medicine programme.

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Added on February 21, 2009, 9:48 amLol.... my results are shitty i know, but my parents want me to study med, wat else can i do? my father jz dun understand. He even thinks there's such thing like 4+1 where in the final year u can do oversea and study specialist and cum back m'sia become sum ent,ortho specialist. laugh my aSs off. he thinks i'm a genius. Mahsa offering med is gud news for me if can study there. yes, it'll be bad for this profession bcoz nw they seems to commercialise it and encouragin those middle-score student to take up medicine. but BUT BUT!!!


think about it in the firz place, who did this? who caused this, GOVT. i'm sure there are ALOT alot ALOT alot worse bumis doc in local U, doin matrik all aiming for med. Their spm result is even worse. I got 9A but my frenz who got 7A (bumis) can still go in matrik(nw finished ady they are applying for med), local U.

This post has been edited by SAM90Gil: Feb 21 2009, 09:48 AM

LOL, i need at least 12 yrs to become a specialist (from STPM), and ur father thinks that a newly established Mahsa can offer ur specialist qualification, in 5 yrs somemore? haha

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Added on February 21, 2009, 12:05 pmif there's a choice, people would try to avoid malay drs, but it seems like in the future, even non malay drs are no longer "superior" than their malay counterparts due to the lower entry qualifications in some medskols eg Mahsa.

This post has been edited by wgy589: Feb 21 2009, 12:05 PM

Yes, the increasing number of places offering medicine in Malaysia is really ridiculous. In future, there may even be doctor peddling medicine on road side soon.

Well, if your result is only TER80, you need to work really hard in medical school, as medicine is quite tough and requires a lot of hard work. BTW, i would suggest enrolling in other more established medical schools, as you will most likely be caught up in the doctor surplus period. When that time comes, the gov will most likely employ medical graduates from better known medical schools.

Just my 2 cents.

Yeah man, Malaysia boleh.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 21 2009, 01:12 PM

sigh.........another 'forced' medical student.....living the parent's dreams........

if i were you, if you really have little interest, i would just say a firm NO......full stop.......

maybe it is best, if you do go do medicine, to choose the worst one......easier to pass.........you WILL suffer, and maybe even flunk out, in good med schools.........

If that's the case, the public will suffer.

now you are saying my lines?....... ........what do you think is happening with the russian, indian, indonesian trained doctors..........and locally trained doctors through matrik/asasi pathways......

i am at the point of giving up........i don't care anymore.......the politicians don't care shit about the healthcare of the people, too many vested interests......all my efforts at explaining about quality, care in training doctors, at the end people just only care for themselves.......parents just want their mediocre offsprings to have the glamour of being doctors, by hook or by crook.......

i will choose the doctors who will treat me very carefully in future......i advise you all to do the same.......we are becoming like indonesia.....or worse......see how many indonesians don't trust their own doctors, and go to spore, msia for treatment.........maybe one day msians will go to indonesia for treatment!

yup yup yup...totally 100% agree. lets see what happens in future lah. for now...i jz wanna know who else receive the letter... XD

but nt all students who study med wil choose to become doc.

my lecturer told me this (nt sure if its true)

a guy studied med, came out, do marketing on lab equipment.

another fren told me, his cousin(again i'm nt sure how far this shit can be true) studied med then spend money to take up music and art performin shitz.

i know u guyz muz be thinking. "omfg, wat an idiot!! spent so much to study a course that he doesn't like!! why the hell he study med in the firz place??"

yup, ter is very low, i know, i'll work hard on that. thx for giving advice, i did apply for aimst and cucms. but i think 99.998% they'll reject my application. ^^


i know, my dad is a joker, he knows nth in all this education stuff. he's 65 this yr.

Now now, that's generalization again. Not all doctors trained in these countries are shitty. Many are bright students on JPA scholarship. Also, many Unis in these countries are more established than the newly setup local IPTS.

Mind, you, i do agree with your point that only bright, dedicated, and interested students should enter medical course

My advice, try to aim for AIMST by joining its foundation first if your SAM result is not accepted. I am not sure about CUCMS but I strongly advise against it as it is also a new medical school.

Dun bother trying for IMU (local MBBS), MMMC or PMC, as the tuition fees are way too expensive, definitely not worth the money. Monash Malaysia is also a good option, as it is recognized by AMC. However, your TER must be >96 to be eligible.

Perhaps you can repeat SAM, try to score TER>90, then apply for IMU's PMS option. It is a very good programme.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 21 2009, 03:05 PM

tq tq tq for yr advice..

sorry.........these are places which take in substandard students.........so they are all branded.....

how does one know whether a doctor from russia, india, indonesia, really deserved their places, or they just bought it........??? ask for their spm and pre-u results first???

so ALL graduates from these places are viewed with suspicion.....until proven otherwise........

same for ipts med schools in general........

nus, non-malays from ipta, western world graduates.........they have to be GOOD to get in, that we all know.........

So just because other people on the other side are also doing it, does it make it right? Your friends may end up as Dr Death: does it give you an excuse to be one also?

SAM90Gil, it is good that you recognise your weakness. If I were you, I would ask your father/parents one simple question: would they want to be treated by a Russian/Indonesian/Indian trained doctors? If they don't mind, then go to Mahsa and come out to be their personal doctor. If they do mind, tell them that is the kind of doctor you will end up if you go to Mahsa.

Say no. Simply tell them that you are not smart enough, and a TER of 80 is at the bottom where medical school entry is considered.

I'm not sure with a TER of 80, but there are other ways of entering the medical world. Nurses, pharmacists, radiologists etc. We need them.

i don't think many people, sam90's parents included, know the difference lah......a loktor is a loktor lah......

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Added on February 21, 2009, 5:33 pmit is not fair to expect the general public themselves to vet the quality of doctors they entrust their lives to.......

it is the duty of a country's regulatory body to ensure all doctors registered are competent......mmc is unable to do that because they are forced to register doctors from many med schools with poor and inconsistent quality products.......many of them within the country itself........and imagine.......mmc, and the profession, has NO say at all, in the setting up of new med schools.....nor the numbers graduating....nor the minimum quality of students admitted......that is decided by the mohe.......and the business running the med schools for profit.....as far as they are concerned, they have empty seats, ter 70 also can accept......

messed up education system indeed........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 21 2009, 05:54 PM

Self praise eh? Since you are a medical graduate from UM

Are you aware how many famous Indian grad doctors are serving in our country? Also, there are many incompetent doctors from western countries as well as IPTA (non-bumi). If you are a practicing doctor in hospital, you should be aware of these facts. Never judge where a doctor is from, but instead judge him/her based on capabilities.

I am not sure about indo and russia, but as far as India is concerned, graduates from Top medical schools are generally competent, as these schools want to maintain their reputation.

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Added on February 21, 2009, 6:32 pmSeriously, this statement is very biased. It shows that you know nothing about medicine. Stop giving advice if you dun know anything about it.

So you are implying that ALL doctors from these countries are incompetent?

Also, the MASHA programme hasn't even started yet, how can you tell whether it is good or bad??

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 21 2009, 06:37 PM

what? whats wrong with Indonesian/Russian/Indian trained doctors?

few msians get into top indian med schools like all india, christian med coll, too tough to get in lah......the very vast majority come from those well know for taking in foreigners, especially msians.......

don't have to go round in circles lah.....this issue discussed so many times before......

You should tell your dear friend/relative haya to stop generalizing.

Many Msians doctor are from KMC Manipal, which was ranked no.7 in India last year (not bragging, just facts, and KMC has nothing to do with MMMC)

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 21 2009, 06:50 PM

By mentioning india in ur list u insulted many people here dude.



This post has been edited by wgy589: Feb 21 2009, 07:01 PM

FYI..
all med students no matter they grad from what U..local or abroad..sponsored or pama..loan.whatever u want to name it..please dont..dont be biased.
grow up dude. dont simply judge someone.
c first what they r capable with..then only u can say anything what u want to say.
i did meet with one doc.,,he graduated from ireland..mara scholar..n he told me.
ANYONE can take medicine..no matter what is ur grade in spm BUT..u must have the passion to work hard, never give up, n know ur ability..study is all about thinking smart, turn the hardest task into the simplest one...
n as for those who graduated from certain countries which some of us still have the " sinikal " thinking bout them, feel curious whether they r true doc or not.....oh please..just stop it.
most of the veteran doc in msia grad from india..some did master / phd in india, indonesia...so if u're saying that..those who grad from these place r no good at all..then y ppl still choose to go there..??

so who are you (ie a consultant? MO? GP? medstudent? or unrelated people) to tell the old UM graduate here to grow up?

he is completely WRONG..........

and he probably belongs to the group who maybe should NOT do medicine........

mara and ireland.......bad combination.......they have an internal arrangement to accept not so good mara students into medicine......

mara also has an arrangement with auckland where their scholars proceed automatically into 2nd year medicine, whereas others (some 1000 students in 1st year health science) fight to get into the 200 2nd year medicine places......an arrangement VERY unpopular with the other international full fees paying students there fighting for the limited places........some got much better results, but cannot get a place, whereas the mara scholars with poorer results get automatic progression to 2nd year.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 21 2009, 08:51 PM

well because of all this universities trying to start up their on medical program (rumors of taylors even) , there will be too many private med schools in malaysia with very poor entry level, and hence affecting the general public. would you want a sub standard doctor treating your daughter? would you want to rush to the emergency ward to see a HO that cant even perform CPR. Even though i wholly agree on the fact that with the right amount of passion and determination one can be a good doctor. but exams etc would be useless than right?

the main reason most doctors/general public discriminates against india/russia/indonesia doctors is for the same fact as mentioned above, sub standard doctor, not all uni's are like that. but if you can tell me uni's there accept BCD a level student??

because they cannot qualify to get into good reputable med schools.........

just like the thread starter, ter 80.........no way possible to get into oz (they ban people below 90 from even applying), too low for imu, pmc, mmmc, aimst,........you look hard enough you will find a place........if not mahsa, cucms, russia, some indian 3rd tier med schools.........yes, you are right, anyone can be a doctor......in russia, you pay some money you can get a pass mark.......

but they SHOULD NOT........and the country should have prevented them from doing medicine.......

you will NOT see this kind of stupidity in developed countries.......

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Added on February 21, 2009, 8:09 pmnothing wrong with many.......just amongst them, are some who should not have got in, and who should not have graduated.......

ie lack of consistency....

makes it difficult for people to know who is what......

that's all........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 21 2009, 08:24 PM

[quote=limeuu,Feb 21 2009, 02:53 PM]
because they cannot qualify to get into good reputable med schools.........

just like the thread starter, ter 80.........no way possible to get into oz (they ban people below 90 from even applying), too low for imu, pmc, mmmc, aimst,........you look hard enough you will find a place........if not mahsa, cucms, russia, some indian 3rd tier med schools.........yes, you are right, anyone can be a doctor......in russia, you pay some money you can get a pass mark.......


Not all the students in russia have bad grades. As for me, I chose russia over iptas.

This post has been edited by hocklee: Feb 21 2009, 08:27 PM

when i am faced with a russian graduate, i dunno if he is like hocklee who scored cgpa 4.0 (i am guessing) and preferred to go to russia, or leehock who had 3B 4C 2D in spm and bought a place and degree there........

tell me, how do i tell the two apart?........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 21 2009, 08:36 PM

Passion is definitely a requirement for medicine, so is intelligence. If one is not bright enough, how can he/she respond when there's an emergency case?

There's a reason why only top students can enter med school in western countries you know?

BTW, MARA has arrangement with western U to allow substandard students into medicine? That's really unbelievable.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 21 2009, 08:58 PM

not 'sub-standard' lah, it's all relative......

maybe someone with ter94.......will have got into any of msia's ipts med schools.......

but in auckland, someone with ter94 will likely not get high enough results in the 1st year (health science, open entry) to qualify to proceed to 2nd year (medicine)......even someone with ter96 standard may not get in.....(average of 1000+ students enter, to fill 250 places in medicine from 2nd year).....but because it a gov to gov arrangement, mara and jpa scholars will automatically qualify into 2nd year (medicine).......someone with better ter score, and have better 1st year result may not meet the cut off and denied entry.........

this is a special arrangement with some countries......ireland, nz, used to be some uni in oz........don't think any in uk involved........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 21 2009, 09:50 PM

Since the mushrooming of IPTS med schools is getting quite serious, why isn't there a single news in The Star about it? Someone should write to the newspaper to alert the public.

many of the 'public'.....mostly parents who want their children to live their dream of being doctors, actually support this easy access into medical schools.......they see this as a counter weight to the restrictions imposed on non malays in the entry into ipta med schools........and against mono-ethnic institutions like mara.......

like most problems in this country, the main reason for this huge mess is politics.....

utar has been fighting for their own medical school for years.....but refused permission......and mahsa came from nowhere and get a license.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 22 2009, 12:23 AM

I guess it's because the public consisting mostly parents do not realize the negative consequences of the mushrooming of IPTS med sch. For example, if the news of buyable-degree from Russia is exposed on the frontpage of The Star, I don't think the public will simply ignore it.

limeuu: You should try writing to The Star.

As the result, future doctors will be forced to obtain well known specialist degrees which will distinguish themselves from other incompetent doctors.

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Added on February 22, 2009, 12:43 amTry doing that and you will definitely be killed in no time. There's too much profit involved.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 22 2009, 12:43 AM

Hence, there is no way to stop the mushrooming?

Not so serious lah..

Hopefully when Pakatan comes to power, they will do something about it. YB Lim Kit Siang is well aware of such issues in Malaysia, and he even blogged about it.

Trust me, when big money is involved, it's that serious.

just got off the phone with an indian doctor......as in indian national contract doctor, serving in a rural hospital in msia........

the referral is a patient with fresh quite profuse bleeding per rectum.......and the only cause the poor india trained doctor could think of is haemorrhoids........can't offer any other differential diagnosis......

maybe hypermax will want to offer some suggestions.......

see what i mean by problems with india trained graduates.......?

May i know where did he graduate from? There are many medical schools in India, and most medical grads from the top 10 schools won't make such mistake.
Also, pls dun generalize based on one doctor's performance.
BTW, i am not an Indian grad. You should know that.

BTW, why did you talk to him on the phone so late at night? He's your MO or houseman?

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 22 2009, 01:11 AM

Personally I think that medics that graduated from Malaysia is not any less inferior compare to UK grad. What set them apart is perhaps the emphasis of communication and willingness to do a self-directed study

Just curious, are you a UK grad?

any graduate from top med schools in india will not be working in a remote hospital in msia..........

so you want me to ask all doctors where they graduate from?......how about their pre-u results as well.......?

i don't care, there are just TOO many poorly trained doctors coming out from these countries, including india........

Well, if you want to put it that way, then it's fine with me.

BTW, is he your MO or something? I thought you are a district health director? Health director needs to run rural clinic??

not going to offer some differential diagnosis?

should be at fingertips, for a final year student.......

Nah, lazy to think. Have been studying the whole damn day need some rest.

You are really good at avoiding questions, aren't you?

maybe not......maybe furiously looking up surgical textbooks.......or maybe not........

Haha, yeah, i am.

You as an experienced doctor, why dun you give me differential of upper GI bleed?

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 22 2009, 01:27 AM

Yes

May i know where you graduated? Currently working?

that answer along renders you close to failing already immediately.......

one more stupid slip, and you will have failed a surgical viva........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 22 2009, 01:32 AM

I dun get what you mean.

ehhh that refer to lower gi bleed... i am sure that hypermax just unknowningly make the mistake

precisely.........you have NOT understood the question/clinical scenario i presented above......and that suggest a problem........

go think about it for the night, and i may shed some light on this tomorrow........

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Added on February 22, 2009, 1:36 amit is a very major mistake, one that should not be made......... and i can see the difference in the quality of knowledge immediately between the two of you......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 22 2009, 01:36 AM

Haih, i am asking you an entirely different question lar i wasn't answering your question. Rectum is confirm lower GI lar. Any medical student know that lar.

Let me ask you another question, what's the most common presentation for Upper GI bleed? IF you dun know you can jump.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 22 2009, 01:40 AM

if there is anything worse than an incompetent doctor, it's a dishonest one.......

What the....
That's bloody obvious that i was asking you another question.
So, what's the answer to my simple question?

In the end of days, you are going to ask me all the questions while you answer none of mine?

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 22 2009, 01:45 AM

Not working yet. Doing my clinical in Uni. of Man

I see. May i know which year? You on scholarship?

Not on any scholarship other than the 'Father and Mother' one Currently in my final year.

So after graduating, can you stay there and specialize? Or do you have to come back to Msia?

My god, limmeu, it takes you so freaking long to answer my upper GI question? Are you really a medical graduate from UM?

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 22 2009, 01:55 AM

Well I could stay here for at least 2 years to finish my foundation programme before I can apply to enter their training program. The 2 years foundation training is given to all UK grad irregardless of their nationality since it is the responsibility of the DoH to ensure that all doctors graduated from UK are properly trained.

Hey I knew that~ and I just started my first year of of Grad. Entry MBBS.

Profuse bleeding out of the anus is obviously from the lower GIT. You dont get fresh blood out of the anus from bleeding in the upper GIT. You'll get melaena instead (including hematemesis if it is there).

D/D include of course ruptured hemorrhoid, infarcted lower GIT ~ hey even worms infestation (those hookworms in particular)~

Dont generalize on everybody. It depends on the individual you know.

Dun bother. He's already starting to show inconsistency in his posting. Why would an indian grad doctor called him from rural clinic at 1 plus in the morning when he's a district health director? Usually, klinik kesihatan don't open at night. Anything major will have to be rushed to tertiary hospital. Also, even if KK opens at night, the district health director shouldn't be the one in charged.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 22 2009, 02:27 AM

you have a very poor knowledge of msian health delivery setup for someone studying locally........abd like many poor student, never read the 'question' properly....

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Added on February 22, 2009, 8:08 ami didn't generalise, at least you answered more than this doctor could.......

you will have passed with these answers, but now for distinction.........you have not given the 3 most common cause (but actually rare occurrence) for profuse fresh pr bleeding........

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Added on February 22, 2009, 8:15 am
i gave a real life clinical scenario, and one would thought med students would gleefully use that as a learning opportunity........but not some........

a student do NOT ask their teachers stupid question like 'what are the causes of ugih'............a student tells their teacher the answers, at their finger tips......
a student may ask then thoughtful questions like 'can gu and du be differentiated by symptoms?' or something like that........

as to what i am, like i am able to tell what many of you here are from your postings, what i am is painfully obvious to most of you, and to anyone with any acumen.......but an enigma to some.......

finally, a lack of respect and humility is a bad attribute in any doctor, and in medical students, it spells bad news for future relationships with peers, and superiors.........

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Added on February 22, 2009, 8:55 amdirect entry or through imu?

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Added on February 22, 2009, 8:55 am
direct entry or through imu?

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Through IMU.

Since when you are my teacher? I have neither seen your face, nor confidently know that you are a practicing doctor from UM like you claimed. Why should i 'learn' from you then? If one's medical knowledge can be judged just from posting in a forum, why exams are not conducted online? There's a flaw in your logic. Also, i dun get why you like to assume the "teacher" role in a forum. If you have learned psychiatry before, you should know that one tend to show off on internet when he can't garner enough attention in real life

Knowing some medical jargon doesn't make you a doctor. You should know that.

BTW, you do have a lot of medical friends from different country eh? Just when we were discussing about Indian medical grads, suddenly you received a phone call from a Indian grad doctor (at one something in the morning some more)? What a coincidence

And why should i respect you when more than half of your posts contain elements of bias and discrimination? Learn to respect the others before others can respect you.

BTW, you know who we are because most of us here had introduced ourselves properly, but not you.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 22 2009, 11:28 AM

..ZzZ...i also lazy to read ady... i think.. for once i should be an obedient boy, jz study first loh, enroll into med school doesn't mean i will be guranteed to come out as a doc and i may drop out in firz year or watsoeva, but since my dad wishes me to study so much, i guess i shouldn't let him down, he raised me up, and take care of me for so long, plus he's so old ady, its really a bit infilial to go against his order..

做儿子的只希望父母开心。

furthermore, after i come out wif the basic knowledge on construction/development i believe i can do sumthg else 1... so...any other member receive the offer letter? ^^

dun bother bout first "why so stupid stil wanna go study med despite u suck in studies and shit"... lets see what happens in the future, maybe MAHSA won't get their approval to conduct the course leh?

bkannye da masuk 2 gerenti leh jadi doktor, xyah gdoh dlm thread ak psal bende yg bkan2 lak.. XD

u guys dunno my dad u all dunno how stubborn he is...wakaka..
so dun tell me "if i were u i would tell him off, this and that"...

If you go into med school with that kind of mentality,you'll most probably flunk out.. Which means a waste of money and time. You'll hate your life.

If he is so stubborn, ask him come to this forum and talk.

hurm..bout the doctor....he already served more than 10years in msia..top 3 ib students in msia...n u still wana say that he's wrong n u;re right?
grow up dude....difficult is impossible..i dont think only top scorers in academic slips have meet the 100% requirement to be

hypermax and limeu have this occasional break outs all the time, its quite normal when reading any medical thread here on lyn.

sometimes, by posting up some information online, your identity is truly exposed and it'll make you susceptible to threats (theft, extortion etc)

hypermax just made a mistake in the posting of upper GI rather than lower GI. ( would tight anus and constipation cause the wall to tear be common?)

and for MBChB, i'm your imu junior. m208!

hurm..bout the doctor....he already served more than 10years in msia..top 3 ib students in msia...n u still wana say that he's wrong n u;re right?
grow up dude....difficult is impossible..i dont think only top scorers in academic slips are guaranteed to have the 100% requirement to be A GOOD DOCTOR..with knowledge..pride..MANNERS..get my point?
nowadays..most of the doc in msia..im not saying all of them..but a few..are arrogant..they think they're smart enough, know everything, "u wrong but im right " situation..it's all because..im MO..I have doctor title in front of my name..so what the heck?? n who are u to teach me bout things that i already know?
yeah i understand with the current situation, too many med students..coming from nowhere.. but who dare to jeopardize others life?
doctor - save a life..ppl see a doctor as a " god",,someone that they can give hope..n not a monster..they wait for miracle..they want doctor to save a life..so..to all med students out there..no matter from which U came from..local or abroad..grad with honour or not..russia or um..senior or junior doctor...u guys still carrying the same task..save a life..that's the most important thing as being a doctor..no need to show off which one are the best, the brilliant..hey ppl...if u think u're smarter than others..bad shape..~!..coz out there. there's a lot n alot of ppl are much2 better , actually they r among the best..with knowledge n manners..humble...respect others too.n know to whom they should give a chance .. coz impossible is nothing.. ..

no doctor does harm with intentional malice........at least very few........

most do harm from incompetence.......

incompetence comes from being asked to perform a role over which the person is capable of......

the road to disaster is path with good intentions......

做儿子的只希望父母开心, 病人悲心。

If you truly wanted to be filial to your parents, you would give up medicine. Even I, "someone who does not know anything", can say if you know that you are going to fail and drop out, why spend 20k to find out you are going to drop out? I could do with that money.
No one is asking you to tell him off. Ask him one simple question: would he want to be treated by a Russian/Indonesian/Indian graduate? If yes, then go ahead, but you wouldn't get very far with just 1st year medical school if you drop out, and frankly there are other courses to make a honest living.

A medical school does not become famous because of one brilliant doctor, but by producing thousands of competent doctors.

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Added on February 22, 2009, 3:29 pmHoo boy. That sums up Jayant Patel in a nutshell.

This post has been edited by haya: Feb 22 2009, 03:29 PM

Well, i guess i just can't tolerate posts which contain generalization, bias and discrimination.

Also, it wouldn't harm if one provides info such as place of working/studying or field of specialization. If extortion is rampant, i guess many would have been extorted already, since many lowyat forum members often attend gathering organized by various forum members.

Seriously, i was asking him a question rather then replying him. If one can't differentiate UGI from LGI, he/she shouldn't have passed first year in the first place. That's like unable to differentiate between upper limb and lower limb.

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Added on February 22, 2009, 4:45 pmSo i guess you have never been treated by a graduate from any of these 3 countries before??

Also, there's no such phrase as 悲心. is 伤心。

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Added on February 22, 2009, 4:50 pmThat's also why in overseas, doctors are not allow to display degree with country of origin in bracket, unlike here in Msia.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 22 2009, 05:00 PM

walaueh, even before offering a place (this is NOT a letter of offer), they want rm500 from you...........!!

what does 3+2 mean?

and there will be people, without any further info, without details, dunno where it is twinned, whether it is recognised, dunno know how much the fees w......will pay rm500 to 'book' a place with a ter80........

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Added on February 23, 2009, 3:13 pm

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Added on February 23, 2009, 3:58 pmyaya! Totally agree with you.Never see a medical school will secretly start a new programme especially medicine,seems like the college don't want to let too much people know about the course.twinning programme?which uni ?never stated clearly,then how to check whether is recognized or not?Before make sure for a place need to pay for registration fees?Actually,they can easily offer you the place after"interview",when you find it the MD offered is from a unrecognized uni,your RM500 will fly away unless you still want it!!!! This letter is a bit same with the offer letter from kolej yayasan melaka:"Tahniah anda telah diterima mengikuti program sains komputer kolej yayasan melaka."Then they will directly tell you how to pay the registration fees and date to register but the only difference is one who receive this letter will know that the programme is approved and accredited by MQA,while the MD "offered" by mahsa college is unknown!sam90Gil I strongly to suggest that,better make it clear about any details and info concerning this course and think twice before decide.This is your future,don't try to take the risk,don't try the unknown uni especially medicine it may ruin your life.Actually,medicine =doctor=health care=patients=healthy. If you simply choose to do medicine anywhere just because you "want"to"be"a"doctor"....then,medicine=killer=murder=patients=death!!!!!!

This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Feb 23 2009, 03:58 PM

..... i din say wanna pay also. i started this thread to ask around who else receive this letter. its not like i cant wait to go register or wat. a bit irritating to see certain user keep spamming and comment on my result or watsoeva. he thinks he's the smartest person in the world. 他以为天下的人都没带脑出街啊。。。

Get used to it. That fella is always like that. 他自认天下无敌.

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Added on February 23, 2009, 4:23 pmEh, people also didnt say wanna join, you so serious for what??? Stop picking on people's result lar TER80 is still good enough for many other courses.

PLs dude, stop being judgmental. I wonder why did you choose medicine as your career (that is if you truly are a doctor, of which i highly doubt so after the your post regarding the PCI). You should have chosen law and be a judge instead.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 23 2009, 04:30 PM

^^ thx.

hey sam90Gil.My dad told me:祥如果你进不了政俯大学，就读容易进的医学院咯。不要紧的，被承认就好，反正私人大学也会被承认的。So,the totally untested uni like cucms he also want me to try because he think I sure care about family's economic conditions.He don't know much about education I will not blame him.But,I still don't want to take the risk to try the totally new medical school,as some senior here tell me go for a better quality medical school,even though they are not the top,at least can produce a competent doctor.I went and asked a lot of friends,seniors,some eldest.finally,most of them were told me beside IMU and PMC,the aimst is able to culture a qualified and competent doctor.Im lucky to obtain such ideal opinions and views from them.So,I decided to apply aimst and i also don't mind to do foundation again if i am rejected by aimst.Fortunately,to be a doctor is a dream of mine so,you are different.Try and persuade your dad and tell him let you make a decision about your future.God give you a bright brain to think,so don't waste it.No one can force you as you really no willing to do it.Better think it hundred times before make a decision,be filial but do consider more to the pity patients.I think you are a sensible guy(know it from your filial behavior),so really hope you to do a right choice ok?All the best guy!

This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Feb 23 2009, 04:35 PM