no doctor does harm with intentional malice........at least very few........

most do harm from incompetence.......

incompetence comes from being asked to perform a role over which the person is capable of......

the road to disaster is path with good intentions......

做儿子的只希望父母开心, 病人悲心。

If you truly wanted to be filial to your parents, you would give up medicine. Even I, "someone who does not know anything", can say if you know that you are going to fail and drop out, why spend 20k to find out you are going to drop out? I could do with that money.
No one is asking you to tell him off. Ask him one simple question: would he want to be treated by a Russian/Indonesian/Indian graduate? If yes, then go ahead, but you wouldn't get very far with just 1st year medical school if you drop out, and frankly there are other courses to make a honest living.

A medical school does not become famous because of one brilliant doctor, but by producing thousands of competent doctors.

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Added on February 22, 2009, 3:29 pmHoo boy. That sums up Jayant Patel in a nutshell.

This post has been edited by haya: Feb 22 2009, 03:29 PM

Well, i guess i just can't tolerate posts which contain generalization, bias and discrimination.

Also, it wouldn't harm if one provides info such as place of working/studying or field of specialization. If extortion is rampant, i guess many would have been extorted already, since many lowyat forum members often attend gathering organized by various forum members.

Seriously, i was asking him a question rather then replying him. If one can't differentiate UGI from LGI, he/she shouldn't have passed first year in the first place. That's like unable to differentiate between upper limb and lower limb.

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Added on February 22, 2009, 4:45 pmSo i guess you have never been treated by a graduate from any of these 3 countries before??

Also, there's no such phrase as 悲心. is 伤心。

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Added on February 22, 2009, 4:50 pmThat's also why in overseas, doctors are not allow to display degree with country of origin in bracket, unlike here in Msia.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 22 2009, 05:00 PM

walaueh, even before offering a place (this is NOT a letter of offer), they want rm500 from you...........!!

what does 3+2 mean?

and there will be people, without any further info, without details, dunno where it is twinned, whether it is recognised, dunno know how much the fees w......will pay rm500 to 'book' a place with a ter80........

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Added on February 23, 2009, 3:13 pm

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Added on February 23, 2009, 3:58 pmyaya! Totally agree with you.Never see a medical school will secretly start a new programme especially medicine,seems like the college don't want to let too much people know about the course.twinning programme?which uni ?never stated clearly,then how to check whether is recognized or not?Before make sure for a place need to pay for registration fees?Actually,they can easily offer you the place after"interview",when you find it the MD offered is from a unrecognized uni,your RM500 will fly away unless you still want it!!!! This letter is a bit same with the offer letter from kolej yayasan melaka:"Tahniah anda telah diterima mengikuti program sains komputer kolej yayasan melaka."Then they will directly tell you how to pay the registration fees and date to register but the only difference is one who receive this letter will know that the programme is approved and accredited by MQA,while the MD "offered" by mahsa college is unknown!sam90Gil I strongly to suggest that,better make it clear about any details and info concerning this course and think twice before decide.This is your future,don't try to take the risk,don't try the unknown uni especially medicine it may ruin your life.Actually,medicine =doctor=health care=patients=healthy. If you simply choose to do medicine anywhere just because you "want"to"be"a"doctor"....then,medicine=killer=murder=patients=death!!!!!!

This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Feb 23 2009, 03:58 PM

..... i din say wanna pay also. i started this thread to ask around who else receive this letter. its not like i cant wait to go register or wat. a bit irritating to see certain user keep spamming and comment on my result or watsoeva. he thinks he's the smartest person in the world. 他以为天下的人都没带脑出街啊。。。

Get used to it. That fella is always like that. 他自认天下无敌.

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Added on February 23, 2009, 4:23 pmEh, people also didnt say wanna join, you so serious for what??? Stop picking on people's result lar TER80 is still good enough for many other courses.

PLs dude, stop being judgmental. I wonder why did you choose medicine as your career (that is if you truly are a doctor, of which i highly doubt so after the your post regarding the PCI). You should have chosen law and be a judge instead.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 23 2009, 04:30 PM

^^ thx.

hey sam90Gil.My dad told me:祥如果你进不了政俯大学，就读容易进的医学院咯。不要紧的，被承认就好，反正私人大学也会被承认的。So,the totally untested uni like cucms he also want me to try because he think I sure care about family's economic conditions.He don't know much about education I will not blame him.But,I still don't want to take the risk to try the totally new medical school,as some senior here tell me go for a better quality medical school,even though they are not the top,at least can produce a competent doctor.I went and asked a lot of friends,seniors,some eldest.finally,most of them were told me beside IMU and PMC,the aimst is able to culture a qualified and competent doctor.Im lucky to obtain such ideal opinions and views from them.So,I decided to apply aimst and i also don't mind to do foundation again if i am rejected by aimst.Fortunately,to be a doctor is a dream of mine so,you are different.Try and persuade your dad and tell him let you make a decision about your future.God give you a bright brain to think,so don't waste it.No one can force you as you really no willing to do it.Better think it hundred times before make a decision,be filial but do consider more to the pity patients.I think you are a sensible guy(know it from your filial behavior),so really hope you to do a right choice ok?All the best guy!

This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Feb 23 2009, 04:35 PM

Brother, can try to use paragraphing? Very hard to read your post le.

malaysian doctors have this fetish on picking and insulting younger people....

get used to it...when you do your hospital posting, expect another whole big bunch of those...

Not really lar, only those lack of self confidence ones. I have met many senior consultants from UM. Most of them are very nice, unlike the one in our forum.

So they have some kinda superior-complex?

Hmm, the younger ones, yes. They even look down on people grad from overseas (UK, US, AUS), as they think entering UM or UKM is harder than entering oversea medical schools.

BTW, we already have one in our forum

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 23 2009, 05:45 PM

correction: *remove AUS...since need TER 99.65 to enter (i think)...

That's Melbourne U only lah.. Others like UNSW need 98+.

of the several people i know who got direct entry into undergraduate medicine and dentistry this year, non was below 98.........so that's about right......

no melbourne undergraduate medicine now.......and last year of undergraduate dentistry.....and someone with 99.45 failed to get in, and has to go to latrobe instead.......

hehe,,i guess i -know- to- whom -u're referring it to..well i dont wanna b specify to one person only..but that's how they 're thinking..they will think that way so that they feel more " secure"..more " relief"..and telling themselves " i am better than u , i know better than u , we r more expert than u guys . most of the cases that we learn n being exposed are relates with the reality in msia, so when dealing with patients, we will do much2 better than u guys even though u graduated from abroad..get what i mean?
honestly..this kind of attitude happens , personally..it is all about jealousy..come on..if u're given a chance to study abroad, will u reject the offeR? ...i dont think so..jealousy is worsen when they know that some of the med students r able to study medicine ( the fees r higher compares with other courses) plus going sponsored by their parents while some of these " guys" also study med, but only enter local U. n rely on scholarship or loan, that's y,,they will keep saying..if u wanna do medicine, u must be the top scorer..bla n bla n bla....coz the system itself requires us to compete n be the best among the best..

i'm not trying to insult anyone. sorry if the above statement bother u..but that's the reality n it happens most of the time..ppl change..so do their living quality..nowadays, most of the parents , i dont know y,,but really like to c their children becoming a doctor..n they know , it is difficult to enter local U due to limited places, n the competition r very tough..so y not..use their own money..soon, they will choose ipts..or abroad..n they dont give a damn bout what others will say..coz hey..it is my money..y do u care so much?
that's y..in m'sia , some of the bussnssman c it as a potential for making money..then u will c a lot of agency, advertising bout helping those private students to study abroad coz they know..their clients will keep increasing from year to years.. then it goes..too many med college/ u ..bla n bla..then it comes the politic games..
yes...msian ppl r rich..

u want to fix this thing? go ahead..start planning to become the next minister of education.
but if u think u can fix this thing by nagging bout this n that..mention bout double standard.. keep trying to win the situation..seeing other ppl as a bad shape..but hey..i'm not..coz i came from a prestigious U..wanna c my academic slip??..duh~~..
just my 2 cents..

Well, that's life. Some even willing to twist the facts just to make their argument stands (one min indian doctor, then next min become paskitani)

And instead of sharing experience with young doctors and doctor-soon-to-bes, some prefer to bash and generalize.

Well, to the TS, if you really wanna do medical, pls go ahead and join whatever college you want. In the end, the same forummer who picked on your result is not going to pay your tuition fee. But pls remember to study hard so that you can treat your patients better, and never sacrifice patient's safety for your own gain.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 23 2009, 08:42 PM