I would like to throw one question to this forum.

You know, in town, every now and then, once receiving complaints of mosquitoes breeding by the public, Jabatan Kesihatan will normally take action by sending their teams to do fogging.

If it happen that they are going to do fogging around the BH, will this be a menace to our swiftlets and the baby swiftlets?
Will this scare them away? Will they move out overnight?

Anyone can shed some light here?

I would like to throw one question to this forum.

You know, in town, every now and then, once receiving complaints of mosquitoes breeding by the public, Jabatan Kesihatan will normally take action by sending their teams to do fogging.

If it happen that they are going to do fogging around the BH, will this be a menace to our swiftlets and the baby swiftlets?
Will this scare them away? Will they move out overnight?

Anyone can shed some light here?

I would like to throw one question to this forum.

You know, in our town, every now and then, once receiving complaints of mosquitoes breeding by the public, Jabatan Kesihatan will normally take action by sending their teams to do fogging.

If it happen that they are going to do fogging around the BH, will this be a menace to our swiftlets and the baby swiftlets?
Will this scare them away? Will they move out overnight?

Anyone can shed some light here?

i do know that ur birds will fly to another farm to check in for few days and will be back home to make nests.but ur baby i dunno is alive or si kiau-kiau or not.this problem i met a owner who he told me that this happen to his farm.4 days no birds back only mother feeding baby is back

CK,E Lee had u recieve the pic and video.

Good picture good video share with all fellow member ma.............. In this forum hope no politic no coruption le.........
May be one day good wine also can share .............
You are right West Wing fogging ....... no problem la but not inside farm..........

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only private message are serve [ ] not so good to show other owner property on public !!!

only private message are serve [ :w ] not so good to show other owner property on public !!!

This is good practice and common courtesy.

I wouldn't want anyone to display pictures of my properties to the public without my consent and speculating/describing about what is going on there. Not sure if it is against any law ....  like invasion of privacy. Our privacy should be respected and not to be exploited by anyone for any purposes.

Its most unethical to publish people’s properties and productions plus identikit photo without their consent. Its like pointing these people to the IRA also will put these people at risk to extortion or even target of kidnapping. This irresponsible and thoughtless act may put these people’s life in danger. If any untoward incident should happen to them I am sure Hungry will be very happy and proud of himself. I hope he have a conscience and sleep well at night. 

With no successful BH to talk about and taking money from unsuspecting newbie is not enough. The supposed shared BH with pamalo King and developer cause Mr. A to out front 50k and still waiting for Hungry to come out with his 25K. Charged 500 to bring newbie to see his design. Mr. A gets nothing and telephone calls are unanswered. Sorry for you Mr. A . For me I will just change the lock and keep the BH for myself.
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I think aerohead means “COMMOM DECENCY” as common courtesy is too kind.

Just hava a visit from a Dato and he told me that now,
Department of Town & Country Planning - Jabatan Perancangan Bandar & Desa is involve and that they only allow 3 years grace period for the town BHs and this smell trouble. Anyone know anything about the guildline?

Why so many government departments are involved now and this is really very bad and the Dato is going to KL and try to get some explanations for the local government on why so many departments are involved and why the rules and guildlines keep changing................ I wonder, who really is the boss?

Am a all blue guy for the past 3 generations and must now think of changing my t-shirt to green or other color for the sake of my future and my family ....................if the government is not committed to help us and still giving us a hard time to make a living.

Just hava a visit from a Dato and he told me that now,
Department of Town & Country Planning - Jabatan Perancangan Bandar & Desa is involve and that they only allow 3 years grace period for the town BHs and this smell trouble. Anyone know anything about the guildline?

Why so many government departments are involved now and this is really very bad and the Dato is going to KL and try to get some explanations for the local government on why so many departments are involved and why the rules and guildlines keep changing................ I wonder, who really is the boss?

Am a all blue guy for the past 3 generations and must now think of changing my t-shirt to green or other color for the sake of my future and my family ....................if the government is not committed to help us and still giving us a hard time to make a living.

3 years grace period given to town BHs? After that all cease operation?

Ans. According to the Dato, yes, 3 years to move out and that's according to Jabatan Perancangan Bandar & Desa which cover the whold Malaysia...and the Dato will try to convince the Local Government that the Jabatan Perancangan Bandar & Desa should not be incharge and that the moving of BHs is impossible, cruel and inhuman.

It is so irrational, illogical, absurd and totally unacceptable!

Ans. So far, has any thing done is rational, logical or acceptable....what we hope and pray is a compromise conditions and bagi jalan untok cari makan.

I can’t see what the rationale behind all this is, especially during these difficult times.

Ans. You can't see is OK and hope that they can see.

May be….in Bolehland everything can be possible?

Ans. No more Bolehland in Bolehwood and  only bolehtahan and bolehfaham if possible.

It does not hold water by simply accuse that town BHs have violated the Uniform Building By-laws(UBBL) and caused noise pollution. Not all BHs did that, my friend! It’s not fair to punish all town farmers just because of some black sheep not following the rules.

Ans If the Jabatan Perancangan Bandar & Desa is in control, all are dead and gone......where can you find a JPB want BHs in towns...all they want are 5 stars hotel and Condos and maybe useless garden with waterfall.

No matter how noble the government’s intentions are, once this uncalled-for guideline materializes, it will shoot down the whole industry which is just taking its wind to fly high.

Ans: If I recalled back, most of the so called control over any industry all started with our National Association trying to put control over the industry and like most of the time, it back fired and killed or cause hardship to the industry. I wonder if it is the case with this industry?

I cannot envisage how this is going to happen. It is totally unthinkable to have all the town BHs owners’ livelihood destroyed overnight, let alone unavoidable killing of innocent birds in the process of demolition.

Ans: Go underground and like operating  illegal buz   like operating disco or night club or otherwise, what can you do? The Majlis guys will all get rich by closing one eye.

Will we be hit? How bad will we be hit? It is high time for the town BH farmers to wake up to the reality that gone is the sunny days and come is the gloom & doom.

Ans: The Doom Days are near unless the Big Guys in the National Association come out with something good.

The government just does not have slight inkling that it is the natural selection process that makes the swiftlets migrating from the cave (which environment is threatened by the poachers who carry out excessive & uncontrollable bird nest collection) to towns, in quest for more desirable and livable habitats.

Ans: Not that they don't know just that they don't want to know. What's eye cannot see and what's ear cannot hear.

They are also unwilling to accept that the “white gold” and the “golden goose” is something “Tuhan kasi kita terima”.

Ans: Better start learning some jawi language and then speak to them about verses from their K. Use God to help you and if they are God's fearing people, they will leave you alone.

Instead of seeing the industry as a boon to generate revenue for our country, the government is treating it like an unwanted problematic child.

Ans: Aren't most of us unwanted children?

They should feel proud that the business is now growing and contributing a lot to our country’s economy.

Ans: Money they see but the money is going into your pocket and not their's and if their's, there won't be a problem now, would there?

According to John Locke (a prominent philosopher)’s theory of property rights and original acquisition, if we have applied labour onto something, it is rightful for us to claim our rights on the objects or properties we work on and in return we are entitled for the reward, provided that we do no great harm to the society.

Ans: That's Mat Salleh theory and not Ibrahim's Theory lah!

Swiftlet farming is an honest trade. Swiftlet farmers are truthful & peace-loving people and we do not cheat & steal. Like other industry, we just work hard to put food on the table.

Ans: Sometime it make you wonder, what is honest and what is dishonest...........like in Indo, even earthquake or any natural disaster ar cause by the C because God is angry with you for giving the C apportunities to have land and wealth. Everything depend on interpretations. 

So, how in the world should we deserve to be harassed, ill-treated and seized away the right to own BHs in town?

Ans: Awak ini pendatang baru, kah?

I just hope that the government could accept a guideline which is of win-win situation to all parties. They should not be seen as being unkind by executing total elimination of town BHs.

Ans: I hope so and I pray for it, too.

Is there a light at the end of the tunnel?

Ans: Anyone has a torchlight?????.........our hope is with them as they hold the key to the window of light. Just with a stoke  of a pen  can determine whether you live or die.

Or should we show them our trump card?

Ans: I am confused.

Do you know what I mean?
Ans: NO.

Above are my 5 sen anwers and just good for fun reading only.

Quote West Wing :

So, how in the world should we deserve to be harassed, ill-treated and seized away the right to own BHs in town?

Ans: Awak ini pendatang baru, kah?
My grandpa was PB. Me no PB but worse, getting stranded in the middle of no where. 1st class school leaver, getting 2nd class treatment, dubbed as 3rd class working slave, only a bit better than 4th class scavenger/vulture or apple-polisher or whatever u want to name it; struggle to survive in an environment of 1st class facilities & infrastructure which caretaken by third class mentalities, what I can expect more?

Do u feel the same? 

Tepuk dada tanya selera. 

Just my 6 cents for a good laugh. Not intended to offense anybody

Alhamduellah, till now, we are all well as Malaysia is full of natural resources
but all these years they have been spoon fed and one day will come and not so far away, when all natural resources gone and the coffer empty, the time will come when they have to find food and fend for themselves and that's the time, doom days will begin.

They have no experiences and knowhow as so far when they fall down, the father (Gov) lift them up and fall again and lift again and again and again.
So, one day when your sons wake up cos it won't happen in your time I hope, they will be told  that we are to be blamed for all evils and all unfortunate and misfortune that behold on them. In their eyes, we are always the reasons for their failure and not the ones that spoon feed them so that they do not know how to fish but eat only. The Gov know well that by spoon feeding them, they will always at their mercy cos they do not know how to find food themselves.  That's clever politic, my friend and as long as we have wealth to spoon feed and all good will come to an end, and so I beg them to allow BHs to flourish as this may be their only venue to get the wealth when oil and gas gone and so for us to save our investments and that of  future generation.

Once, I lost a buz after many years of cooperation with a company and the purchasing head told me that my services are the best but then directive is to give the orders to orang kita....bukan kita semua sama orang kita , bangsa Malaysia. From that day onward, I know that I am just came to realise that I am just an adopted son, anak angkat bukan pendatang.

My advice to the Gov. now is that no matter how late or too long these methods must stop so that we all as Malaysian can stand up to fight, hand in hand irrespective of color, creek or religion armed with confidence and "Boleh" with own abilities and not fall back to demand your rights, your shares and your everything as if the rest are thieves or robbers that steal from you. Where can we all join forces and beat the world. Let start with the BHs and all will gain  when the day comes, Malaysian can  stand tall  and sing " We are the champion of the World" to the world .......... the world biggest producer of BirdNest.  Ishaallah.

I humbly apologies for any mistakes or abuses if any.