Based on simple calculation above, whoever sitting at the high chair in aircon room reading this must know or at least care for the rakyat to try to understand the risk that investors are exposed to in this industry.

Property value of merely 300k selling at 680k with nests of course. 400-430k by cash! Bank will only loan 250-280k based on bank evaluation purely on the property value.

Did you see the risk that investors are exposed to in the event anything happened by a stroke of a pen or anything happen to the property due to unforseen circumstances?

People whole family heads are on the chopping board if beloved government making sudden u-turn.

Hope and pray that our beloved new PM awares what happen at ground zero, and not mislead and disillusion by false reporting thinking money can still drop from the sky by simply relocating the bhs.

I can understand why you posted such reply. It is because you lack of patient /manner and you expect the sifu here oblige to respond to your query within 24 hours. You posted your query on 11th 3.54pm, seeseng responded on the 12th. Not satisfied with it, you accused the old birds keeping the secret on 13th. I wouldn't want to behave this way if I were to ask for info/knowledge from a public forum.

My experience with buying  swiftlet's  e-book by Kxxxxx Hxxx years ago on the net with FREE test CD. Tell you I never receive any FREE CD,    and the e-books is so simple, not worth buying.

I don't know this www.swiftguild.com. Anyone want to try and review here? 

Anyone here from swiftlet society Johor?

This forum seen to be getting cold and I am out of topic to discuss and hopefully we hear or get good news, bad news or any new idea or technology for the swiftlets industry from our friends around here to share.

I copy & paste the following for you all to judge for yourself. Will prolong use cause 'White Dust" to form on the nesting planks and damage it forever?         We need more data. FYI, Air-O-Swiss is a manufacturer of ultrasonic Humidifier. Looks like it needs super clean water & a lot of maintenance.  Use it at your own risk.

"The Air-O-Swiss Room Humidifier System works by Ultrasonic Humidification. Water from the Removable Water Reservoir first travels through a Dimineralization Cartridge. The granules within the cartridge remove minerals from the water that can produce "white dust" in the room and also prevents lime scale build-up within the humidifier, making cleaning a simple task. White dust is caused when minerals are carried into the room air from a humidifier and precipitates out when the water vapor evaporates. After leaving the Dimineralization Cartridge, the water travels to the base of the unit where it contacts the patented Ionic Silver Stick®. The Ionic Silver Stick® releases silver ions to kill bacteria and viruses within the water and maintain constant water purity. If the pre-heating option was selected, the water will be heated to 176°F. The water within the base then travels to the Nebulizer Chamber and contacts the Ultrasonic Vibrator, which creates high frequency oscillations to transform the water in the base into a micro-fine mist. The Ultra-Quiet Fan pushes air into the Nebulizer Chamber where the air and micro-fine mist mix together. The air continues up the Evaporation Chamber and is released into the room where the water vapor fully evaporates immediately to release moisture and increase the relative humidity of the room
Maintenance

    Water conditions will dictate the amount of maintenance and cleaning required. Using hard water with a lot of minerals will require more frequent demineralization cartridge changes and unit cleaning. The design and features of the Air-O-Swiss Humidifier provides a system that requires much less maintenance and has lower operating costs when compared to other humidifier systems.

    Maintenance Procedures

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          Every two weeks check the unit base for any deposits. Clean any deposits around the titanium disc with the provided brush. Use a mixture of white vinegar and warm water in a 1:2 ratio to help remove deposits.
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          Replace the demineralization cartridge every 2-3 months, depending on water conditions. More frequent changes may be needed for hard water (high mineral content) conditions.
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          Replace the Ionic Silver Stick® once a year."

I love to try on Ultrasonic Humidifier because it really don't wet the floor that much like our faithful Taiwan Chicken Humidifiers ....  but then does the ultra sound create Ultra sound/vibration disturbance to the swiftlets and also UH has its problem like replacement of the ceramic  oscillation disc which may be broken  after so long usage. If so, where to get the replacement .  Never dare to try them and if anyone around here did tried, I believe many would like to know more about it and whether if it create any disturbances to the birds.

For Ultrasonic cleaning, I have tried it once a few years ago and you can't produce a finished half round nest with it. You can only break down the nest but then, by wetting the nest, and then cleaning with a good tweeter will be a better option. I did even tried using a suction pen to remove feathers but fail on that, too.

Maybe, I did the wrong way,maybe some readers may have got it right. Hope that you will or can share your experiences with us  for the benefits of  the industry. Share your experience and you gain more, that what I believe.

For those farmers in selangor,

a meeting bet selangor bird's nest association n govt officers in cybercaya will be held on 2/9/09, 10am. the meeting is regarding swiftlet farms in sepang n surrouding area that purportedly affecting the klia flights !!!..

Pls do attend the meeting to gives support to the association, association members can contact Mr Mah (secretary of association) for more info.

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I maybe in Specialist Centre  for the last 21 days and will be there and I don't know how long but at least 30 K EBN.

The pain cause by the wound is bad but nothing compare to the news posted.
As someone mentioned here, now they banned town, the industry, later the agriculture by giving absurd reasoning......why didn't prevent swallow and pigeons and other birds from the towns.

Let put it this way, if it is oil that you find under the town, you will move the population but then, EBN is white gold and unlike oil, it never end but get better and better. Please allow the old ones to stay.

Hopefully, our beloved PM keep his words that BHs are allowed in towns.
I find that our PM is the only one who is consistent in the matter and others seem to follow the wind of the days and that's politics. I tend to respect him more and more by the PM present words follow by his actions.
Concerning the PM's words on the matter...... That's what I heard from his man @ Seremban and an Pahang Exco man.

So, Mr. PM, if your men are reading our forum, pls. save us and our precious golden birds from harm and danger. Only you alone can save this industry from dome day.....otherwise with all the rich ECO men and their connections, we stand no changes from been destroyed.
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Hi,
Anyone heard this?
A friend who listens to the radio channel told me about it.
That the govt is inviting mainland Chinese to come invest in the BN business in Iskandar?
I scanned the papers but didnt find any report on this in the papers the next day.

Using EM and O3 together is basically an oxy-moronic approach.  EM uses microbes to decompose so that toxic & nauseous gases would not be produced. O3 kills microbes to prevent decomposition. Human's attempt at creating sterile environment had always created more harm than good. 

Between the two EM is better - Work with nature !!

TO me, getting swiftlet to stay in my sanctuary is never a problem but having these daily bad news and not knowing what the future will be; that's killing me before the swiftlets.

After so many GPs and so many years, I still don't know what the Authorities really want. They want success in this industries but they are killing it. To me is that the authorities should allow us to brief them on the art and science of breeding swiftlets and setting up swiftlets santuaries. We are pioneers and we know what we are doing and we do not need UNI decree in Animal Husbandry or Biology  to prove us right cos we have past records to prove us right. Put us as advisors to the brains(the Degree Holders) so that we can input to their bright brains to able to put Malaysia as the Top Producer of EBN and the no.1 revenue for Malaysia. Also, to allow us to prove that we are also Anak Malaysia and to fight for our country by helping to generate income for the nation. Patriotism is not only about becoming a soldier to fight a war, in peace, we fight for the nation in making sure that Malaysia is prosperous and economically strong.

Tun Tan once told his new recruit graduates," I choose you all not because I think you know alot on how to manage the buz  but that with your excellence result in your  degree, I know you have the brain. So, now, throw away all you learned in UNI and start learning today from me" Or so I heard or did I make it up!!!!

So, end the story from me and no offence pls.....and if you see DL, pls. convey my warmest regards to him.

can somebody invite me to go. thanks. how much need to pay for membership.
useless association to me. doesn't have online information . are they still using snail mail or telegraph to communicate?

Enter my 10 months old BH today at 11am and noticed that less birds inside the BH and only occasional baby/young birds sounds can be heard. Compare to last month, there were many birds inside the BH at this hour and baby/young birds sound were very loud and many.
I also noticed that 80% of the nests were empty and the remaining 20% with birds perching on it. 
May I ask the sifu here the following questions:
1) Is this situation indicating the end of mating season ?
2) Is it ok to harvest the empty nests now ?
3) Should I leave it as it is and wait for the colony to grow bigger ?