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This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 2 2010, 08:57 PM

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This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 2 2010, 08:57 PM

U strike the gold!... not many ppls will understand what u trying to said here.

reading DVS site n found few news that our bumiputra friends are making their bets in Sitiawan, the all famous hotspot.

if they have read ur post, they will not believe what u trying to tell them.

as they are blind by all the swiftlets in the sky and how swiftlets responds to their test calls...


` But then gold rushes do come to an end!!!!!!! ' - good one. take me two years to realize that too...

it will stagnant slowly in some areas (u will noticed that party is over...no longer Hard Rock but sentimental mood..hehe..), do not wish to elaborate here, might hurt someone feeling.

in fact u beginning to see it n heard it.

We can reproduced as many swiftlets as we could. but we cannot create enough forests, enough insects to feed them.


The best strategy is not to build more new one..but to acquire existing one as for sure it will still grow steadily n the return is much much faster than new one....



haa!!....now, some ppls will said, we can provides foods to them !!!

Get a life!!!.....it is a scam. don't want to elaborate further here as i might hurt someone feeling here.


while they are those who said they can keep swiftlets in an enclosure site where they provides foods to the swiftlets..

Your foot!!...again it is a bloody lie. Get a life!!!... do not wish to elaborate further here as i might hurt someone feeling.


again, pls be alert.....remember it is just ` I Think it is a Hx'....I think?? so, what is the percentage of strike? maybe 99, maybe 0...no one knows as no one had seen the 1GP yet.


In the meantime, get ready for action. holiday is over ( one day enough lah!).

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Added on March 3, 2010, 8:59 amthe only thing matter in swiftlet keeping is Location.

Besides surrounding area and bird flight, the distance from hotspot is also very important.

if the researchers are right that swiftlets will travel 30km to search for food, then u should know how to find the best location for your farm.

it is very very difficult to find good spots in malaysia now...

not many will understand what i wrote here.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 3 2010, 09:49 AM

wah...so many StarWar fan here kah??

i am just a small time farmer who invested all my money in farms and depends on it 100% to survive.

thts why u see me wrote liked a crazy, offtrack, n liked a mad cow when purported 1GP was speculated. if i am in Wild Wild West, i will be shooting liked Rambo and used up the bullets liked no tomorrow...bullets on the house for girl's night!!...hehe...


Each and every farmer has their own farming skills, some they liked to follow what others doing, some don't, some read more n think more n do more n check more, some only cares about harvesting, some only liked to count birds and etc and etc.


Sharing experiences here means i gives my opinions and it is u guys to see if it is useful. want to debate on it, do it if it is for the benefits of all. think not correct then just for reference. think is useful, jot it down and when making decision on investing in farms might be helpful to u.

hai.....frustrated n tired with the so called GP. will it ever ending? do we need to continue I, II, III, and Finale??


Just liked human beings, we search for foods and we followed the river, we hunt for animals and fruits. when the food in the area is scarce or can no longer sustain the population, the young n energetic will migrate and find new frontier. and they followed the river again. blah blah blah...very boring hoh....but the theory is the same in swiftlets population. while the elders already knew that so u don't see them building more houses as they know the young will migrate mah...

so, if they is one crazy ah pek go n keep on building houses as he see many ppls in the pasar malam mah..so he think..wah!!..who say no peoples, this is not peoples meh??....so ends up, only 1o or 20 % of the new houses are occupied.

he try to put up more ads, gives free foods but still he did not see any of the new houses been occupied.


can understand what i mean....sorry for my broken manglish.

just my two balls.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 3 2010, 04:12 PM

either the 1GP is very very good news or

VERY VERY BAD NEWS THAT THEY DON'T WANT U TO KNOW TOO EARLY....

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Added on March 3, 2010, 9:05 pmTalk about open roof, dog kennel, windows type...

i personally know many farmers who use their 2nd storey shop (three storey strata titled shop) to convert into farm, they cannot open the roof liked we did in top floor. So, they resorted to use the window as the inlet hole.

and i also know many new shops that the developer sell it at strata title basis where 4 storey shops are sold per floor basis. and such those who bought the lower floor will need to use window type.

we cannot just said that well, our farms are all ok and those windows or dog kennel type will have to go.....tht is just the same liked what those ******* did where they take cares of themselves instead of all.

whether there are windows, dog kennel, open roof. as long as it meet the requirement in terms of db, they should be allow to continue operation.

i apologize if i offended anyone here.

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Added on March 3, 2010, 9:31 pmGuys we have been bragging for over 2 years in this forum.

time to do something meaningful that

YOUR FAMILY, YOUR KIDS N YOURSELF PROUD OF.

We will start the ball rolling with the help of bro dunsun and bro cergau.



This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 3 2010, 09:32 PM

Received information from a PBT officer about 1GP that

ONE OF THE CONDITION WHERE ALL FARMERS NEEDS TO BE A MEMBER OF THE FEDERATION ASSOCIATION IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR A LICENSE.

THE PBT OFFICER IS VERY WORRIED WHY ALLOWED ONE ASSOCIATION TO MONOPOLY THE WHOLE INDUSTRY?

THIS IS GETTING VERY VERY ALARMING...

THTS WHY THE 1GP IS BEEN HIDDEN AWAY???......

they are three musketeers, one musketeer own dog kennel and is anti window as the window directly facing him. so, he against all with windows. Window is out.

one musketeer own open roof and is anti dog kennel as the dog kennel is more noisy than him. so, he against all with dog kennel. dog kennel is out.

one musketeer own window type and is anti open roof as open roof turn on sound much much louder than him as the he is in three storey and the open roof is a 2 storey farm. so, he against all with open roof. open roof is out.

luckily all these musketeers did not attend the meeting together, else, the industry is as white as whitening nests.

no offence. by the way, i don't own any windows type. lucky me.

tired. bye.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 4 2010, 05:05 PM

whether u are window, dog kennel or open roof.

with 1GP condition set at whatever noise level that they are going to set, all must comply.

Open roof will be at advantages n window n dog kennel sound level will most likedly whispering to comply to the condition.

You don't have to put the rule said to shut downs all window type or dog kennel type!!!.

those that can modify to open roof, without u giving them notices , they WILL do it !!!!...

THOSE THAT CAN'T....will have to control their sounds at whispering or soundless level.....

tired. bye.


WE ARE DIGGING HOLES N MORE HOLES HERE....CAN WE PATCH IT UP LATER??

THINK BEFORE YOU REPLY.

IF I AM WRONG, I AM SORRY!. SIMPLE AS THAT.

IF I AM RIGHT, I AM SORRY TOO...

Who actually Win here? Everyone is a loser.

Tired. bye.

Rephrase : even if someone fall down, he still try to grab one handful of sands in his hand. why? for the sake of face mah!!....


but digging some more just for the sake of proofing urself is right will tarnish the whole industry...so, i stop here.

bro chioungua ....my dog, i suspect is going to disowned me too..

damn dog!!!...keep quiet...

good dog.


WHAT THE HACK....bloody boring keep talking about 1GP....lets start the bloody rusty engine again!... in the meantime enjoy ur school holiday weekend with ur family....hehe...

This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 6 2010, 07:00 PM

Besides sharing n grumbling on the swiftlet farming industry issues, we need to educate all the govt officers that are reading in this forum about the current economy status in malaysia.


They do not aware the current situation as they are 8 to 4 working everyday and the economy is really a new term to them. They have no worry of buz decline, retrenchment, pay cut, lower bonus, lower pay rise!.

But, they forgotten where their salary come from? US!.

So, all govt officers please ask ur canteen makcik to bring u one hot thick coffee to alert ur mind, the story start here :

Based on the data collected by Bank Negara Malaysia, quoted from The Edge " more and more malaysian firms are investing overseas, whether in businesses or purchasing real estate. And this is happening at a time when the flow of investments into the country has slowed. Analysts say if this trend is not reversed, there will be serious IMPLICATIONS fro the country.

"What the numbers show is that we are not investing enough to increase the productive capacity of the local economy and this will mean less job creation and income generation, going forward".

The increasing capital outflow together with declining foreign direct investment,the government is in a very tight spot.

u know i know that the govt had pump in money to revive the economy last year...but they know very well, they cannot afford or frankly, no money to pump in more !!!...

U can go to any local towns that rely on manufacturing workers for survival, the whole town is so quiet!!. their daily buz has drop over 70%!!


except,


those that do export!!!....who? farmers!!!

so,


U still want to tarnish the whole industry???


instead, our PM should encourage those malaysians with existing facilities to go ahead use it to earn money!!!...

When someone is getting desparate and push to the end road....

U do not want them to shift to DESTRUCTIVE mood...

U would prefer to face a jolly crowd than a hostile crowd....


Think twice...

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Added on March 9, 2010, 9:04 ambro chionguo, u better take some medicines... seriously....

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Added on March 9, 2010, 9:23 amThis industry frankly is no longer a viable buz for new investors as the population of swiftlets will not keep on increasing. it will still grow at slow rate n maintain at this level for decades to come...but for u to see a surge in new population is just a dream in sem malaysia....we already have over 60,000 farms in malaysia....use it instead of building new one unless u have other hidden agenda.

the weather do not fare well to us. the temperature is rising alarmingly.

insects are declining, bees population drop drastically by 80% in some area.

tell me, how to sustain an ever growing swiftlet population?

in Jawa, indonesia, the swiftlets population there has decline almost 80%...

from bird's nests price, u can tell how is the supply of bn....the price maintain at CNY price which is very very rare...

and to think that to destruct the whole industry so that u can create back a dream planned industry is just plain STUPID!.


Issue license to all town farmers is a Smart move..besides solving the problem with set conditions that all farmers need to follow (be reasonable in your condition's set), the town folks will able to self sustain and they will keep the local town economy in check, makcik selling nasi lemak will still have customers come to buy it. pakcik selling mee rebus will still have ppls come to buy it. the loop does not end in farmers...this industry is not only benefit the farmers but also play a vital role in small town economy.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 9 2010, 10:30 AM

and with manufacturing industry heading to halt and auto industry lagging behind from thailand & indonesia, biotechnology industry lagging behind from singapore, tourism industry lagging behind from singapore...do we still want the swiftlet farming industry to lag behind from our neighbour???

indonesians only harvest three time a year unlike here......

the industry is gone if u want to destroy it n to rebuild it....

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Added on March 9, 2010, 11:51 amthe officers thinking that the population is ever growing and by killing them, in no time there will still have a large population of swiftlets that they can start over with is very very wrong.......

This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 9 2010, 12:10 PM

Continue with my previous post :

Even with the conservation efforts by experienced indonesian farmers to increase the swiftlet populations in their own farms, the population still drops by almost 80% in many area.


We are no longer gifted with migrating birds from indonesia and with the declining population both in indonesia and malaysia...any hasty decision by the govt officers to gives a deadline to whiten the whole industry is just plain STUPID!.

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Added on March 10, 2010, 8:29 am
You are facing a desparate crowds with nothing to loose....

Nothing is more important than our family rice bowls........

You are playing with FIRE !!!.....


Remember that!

This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 10 2010, 08:29 AM

Well well well....

the bn price is now 4.8 4 3.8...

not due to high demand as the demand is normal...but

it is due to supply shortage in both indonesia n malaysia...


ever growing population that u don't have to worry about disrupting the existing population of swiftlets ??? Where the hell u get this idea from???

really STUPID if u think this way!!


Many ` Cow Ghost Snake God ' are coming out from their palaces and making a quick killing by buying chunks of big parcels of agri lands to build eco parks........guess they already read the 1GP and rushing to open new gold mines....

hahahaha....ends up the gold reserves are getting less n less..

good also, let them buy up the lands, build the farms and let more and more new investors kena...then they know our pain le....

black heart ohh???


This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 11 2010, 10:41 AM

YEs..u are right i am miserable now...damn....i sold mine last week 4.6, n now just three days u tell me now selling 4.8?

damn!!...thts enough to cover my starbuck treatment for a year lah.....

i think not outsiders but mostly new investors le...they think they can get back the money in no time...

one year got 300nests, n third year get back the return..

so, even one lot selling rm700k is cheap lah...

ROI is so damn good!.

where to get this kind of return?

I think we can start the count down for 1GP now....

i hope all those town farmers can read what i write here....if not just inform them.....

don't hope any more!!...don't hope!!.....

if i were u, i will buy some insurance just in case the officers did want to do just what we predicted.

if really thts what happen....one thing we can predict, agriculture lands near to those hotspots area will be selling liked hot cakes...

thts what we bought as insurances just in case...we knew we cannot hoped those bastards to cover our butts. Those in our group, we have bought enough lands just one km away from all those hotspots and it only cost less than 50k an acre.

if things do becomes ugly, at least u can still earn back the money from selling the land at at least three times of what it used to worth!!!.

if mericle do happens ( MY GOD...PLS HELP US!!!), the lands u can still sell it n earn reasonable profits from it.


So, fear no one!!!....Fight!.

We will fight those bastards with tears, with blood....and even if needed.....with OUR d***!!!!...











Happy holiday!!

This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 12 2010, 05:04 PM

hahaha.....retire? lama lagi lah....

in fact i am thinking of going to join a training course to maybe well..to becomes a real estate agent loh...

what to do!....

many years ago, many investors of abandoned shoplots owners are finding no one to rent out their shops...they can't even find any humans around the surroounding area...even the dogs are so skinny that it lying in the middle of the street and waiting for god to come and take them to HEAVEN.

so, instead of letting it rot, they converted it into farms...


and some says that if grd floor got makan place is not allowed....WHY??

if liked that those next to it also not allowed ahh????

and why just that, make it a distance lah!!....why not 150m away!!!


what kind of shit ideas is this???

You sudah BRAINWASH by them kah?? really soh hai!!!



Then they are those who owned shops is a small town, where the local economy can only support not that many buz....

one barber shop...enough loh

one electric shop....enough loh

one kopitiam ....enouogh loh

one mamak stall....enough loh

one handphone shop....enough loh

one grocery shop....enough loh

one supermarket ....enough loh

and they said.....diao!!....what then i should open??? NOTHING!!....so some choose to just let it idle and once a while just go in to catch a few dead rats, while some decides to convert it into a farm.



This forum is getting INTERESTING!!

everyone is trying to kill each other off so that their farms are safe n sound.

think lah soh hai!!...


really BLOODY IDIOTS SHIT THINKING!!



by the way, i don't own such kinds of farms....but that does not mean i have the right to kill them though...


Peace.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 18 2010, 10:41 AM

in my area, there is this one pork noodle shop, average they sold about 1000 bowls a day.

so, telling them that u should convert it into a farm they will bring out their pork chopper to chase u out of their shop.

1000 x 5 = RM5k a day, 150K a month.

then there is this one shop that sell pork noodle, i always go there n eat, then one day it just closed shop. i asked the owner why u want to closed it? got ppls eating what!.

He told me, i average one day can only sell 20 bowls, for Rm3.5 a bowl.

20 x 3.5 = RM70 a day, RM2.1k a month.

and this income support my family and my adult son who also have a family depends on it. so tell me, how to survive?


no one knows better than the owners themselves. THey know what they are earning.


If they can survive make a living by doing biz in their shop, they will do (BY THE WAY, WHO THE F U ARE TO TELL THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO DO!).


As for annoying farms,

I myself hated many mamak stalls around my shop as they are bloody dirty and clogged most of the drains in the area. They also breed rats as they dump all the rubbish n leftover everywhere. The motor shop behind too is annoying as they keep checking the motorbike by pressing the old pedal so hard that ur ear will numb for few minutes after that. The retail shops nearby also annoying as they blast their musics from 10am till 10pm to attract customers to come...indian songs, malay songs and chinese songs.

but then again i thought well....at least they stop all the nuisance after 8pm...and i can get a good peaceful night. they are just trying to make a living just liked me. so, peace.

when it is our own personal opinions, then, we should keep it to ourselves.

If your own personal opinions does not affect u or ur group of farmer friends and thts why u dares to speak out but when u shares it here to all those officers and it seems to them that even farmers think that their stupid opinions is in fact right then u are making the situation worst.

And that no longer called Own personal Opinions, it is called `落井下石！‘

The situation now is every officer in every state n every town have their own OPINION on what is right n what is wrong in this industry.

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Added on March 19, 2010, 12:12 pmthose that in seremban think that 40km from the airport should not have any farms. this is their opinion (whether their own opinions is right or wrong?).

and the opinion of one of the representative in selangor Ronnie liew that it does not cause any harm so the distance should be shorter (tht is his own opinion!, whether it is right or wrong).

want to hear my own opinion? but it will affect those in big towns, so, i keep it to myself instead of acting likes i am the expert in right or wrong!.






This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 19 2010, 12:12 PM