.. for beginner you can always try with diffrent material wood, plastic, aluminium and steel. It do no harm to your BH. Among the material -steel is the most stable/durable material.

You can buy a steel plate with the sizes 6' x 8' x 0.4mm at a price of RM170, DIY cut into 5" x 6" you get approx. 152 pcs for the price of RM1.20/pcs. Is it expensive when compare to wood? I bought my wooden corner board for RM 1.50, some even soak in aroma and sold for RM 2.50 per pcs ! Install all of them (mixed), see the results youself. You will never know, maybe your birds like steel plate than wood.

Who said we must use Maranti as wooden plank always ? .. other hardwood can do too... go around.. see for yourself !

Hi tangsn

the secret is....... get started as soon as you can and then observe and fine tune your birdhouse based on the pecularity of your birdhouse.

The amount of info you get in a forum or blog can be overwhelming and distracting especially for newbies.

A good starting point are places like www.swiftletguide.com Jump start and saves you loads of time if you are a beginner. Also give you confidence. After you have your birdhouse up then take your time to go thru the forums or blogs.

Don't expect the forum members to give detail answers, also they cannot read your mind and know what you want to know. You have to follow the discussions and pick up the "secrets" here and there.

This post has been edited by autopilot: Jul 20 2009, 08:03 AM

The evils can make use of certain rotten politicians and we too can seek help from our relatives n friends who can gives us support inside the cabinet!!..

ALL BROTHERS WITH CONNECTIONS, PLS HELP OUT.

THATS WHY WE SEND THE MESSAGE OUT !.



This post has been edited by ChanK: Jul 20 2009, 07:57 AM

My experience with buying swiftlet's e-book by Kxxxxx Hxxx years ago on the net with FREE test CD. Tell you I never receive any FREE CD, and the e-books is so simple, not worth buying.

I don't know this www.swiftguild.com. Anyone want to try and review here?

So money do fall from the sky and better still you can make them fall to you if you do accordingly? I wish the author should quote the price with currency USD on the web site not until I click the BUY NOW button....

yea, I bought that Kxxxxx Hxxx e-book too. You are right, that Kxxxxx Hxxx e-book was not worth buying. It was a rather shoody piece of work. I went thru it in 10 minutes and deleted it from my pc.

if got any news clippings of recent raids in Sarawak, please post them here. I don't think we should tolerate another Mukah like incident.

any news of when the guidelines/proposals resulting from the Seremban workshop will be revised or discussed or finalized? is there any appointed independent adviser to the PM's dept regarding this matter? Or is something like the Johor proposal likely to sprout out? Past experience have shown that MP's/Ministers/PM's/Directors can easily be mislead and ill advised by so called 'think tanks' or 'advisers' who have hidden agendas. Hope the minister involved isn't advised by a spin doctor.

autopilot,

Pardon me, are you the author of the book promoted at www.swiftletguide.com?

If you are, please specify that the price is in USD or why not quote in RM?

cheers,

This post has been edited by coolandy: Jul 20 2009, 02:44 PM

This e-book thingy is scary. Money do drop from the net instead of sky to the authors.

From personal experience, for newbie with 0 knowledge of this industry, Dr Chris and Crystal book are ok for quick basic knowledge to start out. At least got some pics and summarized some basic terms you need to know when people talk abt bhs. If you are desperate for quick info within a few day, they are ok, save you few weeks reading thru the forum/blogs which might end up with more questions. But the cost of those books are on the high side, worth probably less but you are the consumer so you decide.

If I can find bird king that can guarantee 100% success with knowledge given, dont mind to pay to the nose. But again, how many or if there is such thing as bird kings in the market?!

H**** K** ebook not worth $50, $5 may be for donation, up to individual. Hey, David Lim ebook is free! Grab it and read before asking more questions.

Pak Hendri Mulia book is for more advance stage summarised what you need to know, some reference from Nugroho, make life easy for quick reference.

Nugroho books are for advance stage but too many version 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,..., some info keep repeating itself so need to buy the right ones. Sometimes cant remember where you read it, some where out there. It's good if Nugroho can summarise into one and only power book, but then ..

Anyway, nothing is free. Knowledge is power. Zero knowledge resulted kena con by con-sultant. So upto individual to decide. Whether want to be penny wise pound foolish. Saw many esp one kept repeating with big bold letters in chinese blog asking for free info. Boy oh boy, ....

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Jul 20 2009, 04:22 PM

In my area thee are too many con-sultant,many of them contact the con-sultant to build up the BH,end up for a year nothing inside the house only Ghost inside.what to do there,have to contact another con-sultant to modified that,what happen?after pay the money for modification cost+con-sultant fee....still Ghost staying there.
that why i never contact any of the con-sultant at my area instead of asking friend/forum for the suggestion,am i thing that suggestion is work,i will try out.until now,i have find out alot,how to control the temperature/humumity but still alot of thing have to find out........
and for the Book,i have buy some....most of the book is too general,the required/necessary point was not inside the book and it only for those have zero knowleadge in swiftlet farming.

To be frank, I started building my 1st BH from zero knowledge.

Everything from ground zero.

However, thanks to Dr Chris's ABC introductory handbook, the first guide for me to exploring deeper into this industry. At that time, I did not think much, what I concern most is to learn the rope of the trade within the shortest time frame.

And I cannot think of the best way to achieve it if I do not kick start a BH myself and trial & error & be handy on my own.

To me, practical experience is more important than everything. If we do not try it ourselves, we will never know what we do not know and most probably end up we do not know how to ask others what we actually do not know and if we do not ask definitely the secret will remain unsolved for the rest of our lives.

Of course during the learning process, tuition fee has to be paid, but I limited the budget below RM50K. I did it on "if I fail, I have nothing to lose but some experience to gain & if I succeed, it's a bonus".

So don't wait until the durian jatuh.

With "action" only something will come, be it failure or success, we never know.

So, your first step is very important, just do it now!

Good luck!

Tang,

No choice lah bro, tats university of hard knock. You are not the only one. Majority of us facing the same problem. But think many sifus here kind enough to giving enough warnings or advices how to identify consultants and con-insultants, how to avoid kena knock, where to find the infos and stuff, thats very good for individual to find own initiative to read up first to acquire more knowledge before diving.

Not referring to you but many newbies prefer to spoon fed, prefer instant answer and free like instant noodles etc.

As the industry still in its infancy, many issues/methods still evolving, practice today might not be the best or the same tomorrow. Eg. until today many sifus still arguing good and bad of having corner plank. Old timer heavenly sifu prefer box type of plank but 4 yr old sifu come and tell you no no straight plant is better tats old design else you regret .. blah blah, think think also make sense cause in future you will have too many corner nests etc ... So who is right old bird or not so old bird?!

Another eg chicken humifier vs Osim humifier. Chicken humifier is noisy but rugged. Osim humifier is quiet but how long can it last and price?...

Another eg is swiming pool at roof top. Some swiftlet sifus love this design but if you look at another angle from those old bird in construction industry they will say no no. Having nightmare water licking problem based on experience from construction of basement carpark with high water table locality etc. Waterproofing vendor only guarantee no licking for 5-10 yr thereafter you guarantee yourself blah blah. Its that long term solution or long term problem?

In short, many ways to skin a cat, no hard and fast rule.

Anyway, tats my half cent as 1 & 1/2 yr old bird.. hehe.

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Jul 21 2009, 01:04 PM

Has anyone tried to export your EBN legally?? I promise you hell lots of trouble and time that you will not think to export legally again.

Try it and in 2 months, you still at it and you end up giving it up.

Conditions are so many which include..................
Where did you get your EBN/ source and has the person has approval for the Perhilitan to ensure that all collected EBN are from licensed collectors. You need to record down all transaction properly fot them to verified and all transactions must be from approved collectors (licensed). All must be in proper forms.

I am going to screw Mr. Tan of ****** up for giving us false hope in his course in Export of EBN and his course doesn't cover 5% of what I have gone thru and still not enough. If anyone really think that he has the answers, please reply.............. I tried to export as a buyer from China want some samples of our EBN and facing some much problems, I rather smuggle them out thru runner if I want to venture into the buz.

Nowaday, it difficult to be law bidding citizen as the authorities involved isn't making our life easier and helping the Industry at all.....

What for if Tax Free in China as going out of Malaysia is already a big problem.

Latest news received that a few BHs in Mukah has been broken into by the Sarawak Forestry Rangers since this morning. The owners were not around, they broke the locks and took some nests and the humidifiers away. The rangers are resting now. They will resume to enter few more in the afternoon.

Another black day for Mukah BH owners. The rangers said they are entering those BHs which they did not have time to enter during last operation.

Hello guys

I bought this e-book b4,

I think you can email support@swiftletguide.com if you think you have been scammed. This book provides more than Dr Lim's. I also bought Pak Hen mulia and find it a bit repetitive on certain points. Beside have problem with the indo language.

This post has been edited by autopilot: Jul 22 2009, 07:35 AM

Sir West Wing，
I attend the seminar before,and only get info what document have to apply before your nest to be send,and i have going to perhilitan ampang to apply for the lisence before,not that easy,if you are regular exporter,they need alot of information for tracking and you have run here and there to check up because there also don't sure about the regulation...while i check with perhilitan penang to procedure is totally different from perhilitan ampang ,that is call malaysia different state different law.just like what you say not that easy.and for the china side if not wrong you have to pay for the 17.5% value added tax and other cost.that Mr Tan is politician(MCA),that why they can get all necessary document including china because of the politic relation.
Don't ever hand carry the nest with you while entering the airport custom,the scanner can scan the nest very clear,samething for the china custom and i have experience it before luckly i have the export permit for perhilitan,but at china custom there just allow me to enter with nest because first enter to custom with small quantity.

Please correct me and forgive me if i have say something wrong.

This is exactly why David Lim was so furious against the PERHILITAN in his speech given in the presentation of the WORKSHOP organised by the JABATAN PERKHIDMATAN VETERINAR in Seramban on the 15.06.09. He spoke of this TRUTH openly on behalf of all from the industry. DL in fact personally does not involve in the trading or export of nests. He only acted as SPOKESMAN for the industry at the request of many who know him since many years ago as he is being recognised as the only one who dares to speak out the truth fairly and justly for the industry. He and his group of volunteers is the only group in Malaysia who dares to stand up against those corrupted and evil politicians and officials and fight them to the end for victims they hardly knew. They did it at own cost. He received overwhelming complaints against the system with so many bureaucratic lengthy procedures with red tapes set by the PERHILITAN. Many locals and foreign tourists in airports were harassed and some were even put in lock-up for a week. This has frightened off the tourists and the foreign nest buyers from coming to Malaysia. Thus the price has tumbled down. PERHILITAN is not only killing the BIRD’S NEST INDUSTRY BUT ALSO THE TOURISM INDUSTRY.

PERHILITAN seems to be the only Govt Department that is circumventing the laws dragging and killing this only GOLDEN GOOSE industry left for Malaysia. The PERHILITAN is creating a lot of opportunities for corruptions. What rights has the PERHILITAN over the domesticated HOUSE SWIFTLET cultivated in privately owned buildings? If they claim that AERODRAMUS PHACIPHAGUS is under their charge as a protected species, then, how about, the AYAM KAMPONG, the domesticated bred AROWANA, the DEER, the farm cultivated ORCHIDS etc? They don’t have the jurisdiction over all these. So, why should they claim to have rights on the HOUSE NEST? Moreover, who are they to collect ‘TAX’? Their department doesn’t have any jurisdiction to collect TAX. They have abused the power. This is absurd and totally wrong constitutionally.

Since the PERHILITAN is the culprit responsible for our agony and potentially killing the industry and all of us, it is either they quickly rectify the situation before too late or all of us shall stand up in unity to fight to expose their wrong doing and we will make sure that whoever the unbecoming official/officials initiated and responsible for such gross mistake and damage be punished severely.

If all of us from the industry should stand up and stand firm in UNITY with one mind and voice, we can even drop the corrupt regime, why can’t we go after the few miserable evil officials?

DL and his group are working hard in collecting data and evidences. He appreciates if those in the industry who have information and evidences of the malpractices or victimizations experienced or known, kindly contact him at 0124850778 or email him dlyc7888@yahoo.com.sg or fax 044220786 to help him to build up the case. All these will be given in a memorandum to the PM , Ministers concerned and all law makers in person by his Legal Advisory Board.

West Wind and Tangsn and those who have the knowledge or experiences, could you please summarise in details your finding of the stupid procedures you came across in proper format with remarks as to why it is a stupid and idiotic system independently. DL needs to have as much evidences as possible.

To get things right..........................

We @ forum are supporting Newbiz as many Newbizs have PM us on their BH developments and as for myself, I didn't forward all to the forum as many of those questions are too simple and personal that need not be forwarded to the forum. Best if you read all that you can read thru blogs and books if any and then ask questions that really bother you like what the author write is right or wrong. I personally didn't read any book on swiftlets at all and I still think that it is a good idea to read more. One sentence out of a page is right and if the book have 100 pages, you already learn 100 right ways. Common sense will tell you to ignore most of those wrong items and leaving very few for you to decide anyway. If undecided, let us know and we will help if we we know it. So simple lah!

We all share at the forum as in this trade, there is nothing to hide and only people with hidden agenda need to do so ........surely not us..... we share and learn and hope by doing so, we will be united as one to defend against those who really have hidden agenda.

Above as always, my own comments on the matter.

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Added on July 21, 2009, 5:45 pm[quote=Lucas 1,Jul 21 2009, 03:05 PM]
This is exactly why David Lim was so furious against the PERHILITAN in his speech given in the presentation of the WORKSHOP organised by the JABATAN PERKHIDMATAN VETERINAR in Seramban on the 15.06.09. He spoke of this TRUTH openly on behalf of all from the industry. DL in fact personally does not involve in the trading or export of nests.Quote"

1. If you ask the Perhilitan, then you will find that most of the state offices know very little about how to proceed with the export of the EBN and worst if you are taking to a District Perhilitan cos you will refer here and there and also you will get wrong information. Veterinary Dept is no help either as they too don't know how to proceed with the export of EBN and will refer you to the Perhilitan.

2. At last, you get the correct Perhilitan and only 3 places in Malaysia with the HQ @ Cheras. Even getting thru the phone to Perhilitan (Cheras) is a problem itself and you will put on hold and hold until the line went dead in about 15 mins. And repeated phone calls will end the same and by then ( after 5 days on the phone and tens of calls) you are really mad and furious and going to eat up the next guy who take up the phone but lucky, no one did.

3. At last, you get thru and the Officers @ Cheras will tell you to get an Certificate of Origin from the Perhilitan and not anyone else and tell how to get it.
4. To obtain this certicate of Origin ( before you can pay Rm100 for per kilo) is not simple and it is the beginning of a long process which will kill your dream and ambition to be an exporter of EBN cos that the beginning of more conditions and problems arising (The problems and conditions are not even suitable to be place on the forum). Maybe, I can hold courses (Make some money) and speak about how to export EBN from Malaysia when I am finished with it. Then, at least, you all will be better off than yours truly.................... unless they change the rules or play.


Bye, and hope by then, you all will attend West Wing course in "EBN Export" hahahahaaaaaaa.. Rm100 per head and just 1 kilo export tax lah, dream on west wing!!!!!!

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 21 2009, 05:45 PM

[quote=West Wing,Jul 21 2009, 04:14 PM]
To get things right..........................

We @ forum are supporting Newbiz as many Newbizs have PM us on their BH developments and as for myself, I didn't forward all to the forum as many of those questions are too simple and personal that need not be forwarded to the forum. Best if you read all that you can read thru blogs and books if any and then ask questions that really bother you like what the author write is right or wrong. I personally didn't read any book on swiftlets at all and I still think that it is a good idea to read more. One sentence out of a page is right and if the book have 100 pages, you already learn 100 right ways. Common sense will tell you to ignore most of those wrong items and leaving very few for you to decide anyway. If undecided, let us know and we will help if we we know it. So simple lah!

We all share at the forum as in this trade, there is nothing to hide and only people with hidden agenda need to do so ........surely not us..... we share and learn and hope by doing so, we will be united as one to defend against those who really have hidden agenda.

Above as always, my own comments on the matter.

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Added on July 21, 2009, 5:45 pm[quote=Lucas 1,Jul 21 2009, 03:05 PM]
This is exactly why David Lim was so furious against the PERHILITAN in his speech given in the presentation of the WORKSHOP organised by the JABATAN PERKHIDMATAN VETERINAR in Seramban on the 15.06.09. He spoke of this TRUTH openly on behalf of all from the industry. DL in fact personally does not involve in the trading or export of nests.Quote"

1. If you ask the Perhilitan, then you will find that most of the state offices know very little about how to proceed with the export of the EBN and worst if you are taking to a District Perhilitan cos you will refer here and there and also you will get wrong information. Veterinary Dept is no help either as they too don't know how to proceed with the export of EBN and will refer you to the Perhilitan.

2. At last, you get the correct Perhilitan and only 3 places in Malaysia with the HQ @ Cheras. Even getting thru the phone to Perhilitan (Cheras) is a problem itself and you will put on hold and hold until the line went dead in about 15 mins. And repeated phone calls will end the same and by then ( after 5 days on the phone and tens of calls) you are really mad and furious and going to eat up the next guy who take up the phone but lucky, no one did.

3. At last, you get thru and the Officers @ Cheras will tell you to get an Certificate of Origin from the Perhilitan and not anyone else and tell how to get it.
4. To obtain this certicate of Origin ( before you can pay Rm100 for per kilo) is not simple and it is the beginning of a long process which will kill your dream and ambition to be an exporter of EBN cos that the beginning of more conditions and problems arising (The problems and conditions are not even suitable to be place on the forum). Maybe, I can hold courses (Make some money) and speak about how to export EBN from Malaysia when I am finished with it. Then, at least, you all will be better off than yours truly.................... unless they change the rules or play.
Bye, and hope by then, you all will attend West Wing course in "EBN Export" hahahahaaaaaaa.. Rm100 per head and just 1 kilo export tax lah, dream on west wing!!!!!!

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just for your information the procedure to apply for the export licen(for small qualtity)
- if you have the receipt provide by the cleaning center(this cleaning center are register+have the export permit from perhilitan),you just go perhilitan shah alam,they will issue you the export licen + cities according to your quantity.
- if you dun have the receipt,just go perhilitan cheras and tell them you wish to bring the nest to the relative at other country one time only then you can get the export licen.

Oh no......I am talking about unprocessed EBN and not cleaned and not just small quantity but for export of unprocessed EBN. Helping Malaysia to be No.1 Exporter of EBN in my small way. If you are talking about taking less then 1 kilo of cleaned EBN out, then it is no big problem but still a problem....just a receipt of purchase from the supplier which must have a certified Perhilitan certificate or otherwise they will disallowed you. The Perhilitan will grant you (not company) one time to take out the nest without any permit to export but you must pay the export tax of Rm100 per Kilo with a purchased receipt from a supplier having a Perhilitan lessen to harvest ( receipt having the Perhilitan Approved no. on it).

They informed me all above but I wasn't interested in just taking out 1 kilo of EBN but just want to know. learn and try the correct way to export EBN so that in future, if I require to export EBN in big quantity, I will not be in difficulty but After 2 months of trying so hard, I still need to go to the state Perhilitan to open a account with them before going to the federal Perhilitan again to pay for the export taxes if you are going to do business in exporting EBN. What I am posting here is just the top of the iceberg cos there are so much more things that you need to do...... When I have successfully send out the EBN safety and my Chinaman brother has received the EBN safety; only then I know that I am an expert in exporting EBN, the Perhilitan way.......... by then my stored EBN for export have already become moldy and brown.

I am still blurred and hoping the next trip to the state Perhilitan will be suceesful cos I know that they are going to inspect my office ( required registered Office with the local Gov.) before they approve my application. That's I really don't understand why cos what my office has to do with EBN export lesen. My office is just an office and no birds. They maybe need to inspect my source of EBN and that's will be very difficult as I maybe buying from so many BHs. One thing for sure that no BH owner will allow the Perhilitan officers (no for me anyway) to inspect his BH; the BH owners rather won't sell their nests to me at all...........they might as well sell to the Indo for no fuss and trouble.

Any EBN export expert like Dato Beh or Perhilitan man around.......Did I get the infomations all right????????? No bad or hard feelings, please cos I am just trying what I have learn from a EBN Export Courses that I took but nothing similar at all.... I maybe not very smart but I am learnng...