Just a little advices...

Don't get those specialised in building swiftlet farms to build yr farm...

get real contractor who build shop, concrete building....that's the real contractor....

many specialised swiftlet farm builders are not specialised in contruction !!!

thats why so many `Don't know when it will fall' farms existed in malaysia.....

Ask them their background....most of them are either hardware owners, farmers then only becomes contractor, consultant then becomes contractor.....many many oh....

Building a farm is very very simple....there is no secret or eistein formula.

Get an architect to draw up a proper plan.

Get an engineer to design the structure.

Get a Real Contractor to build according to design.

is all u need.

want to save a few thousands....becomes a contractor on your own.

Get a team of subcon to work for u, u buy material n supervise their works with your limited or zero experiences, u can save about 80k if u appoint a chinese/malay/indian sub contractor or 100K if u appoint a Indonesian sub contractor....How sure are u that they are contructing according to spec??....

The cost of appointing an indonesian sub contractor is about 60K~80K for a three storey farm. so, u want the cost of the building...add it up and u will be surprised how much it takes to build one diy farm....

But think twice before u do it DIY if u got no experience at all....

it is just liked u don't go see doctor as u think u can cures urself with ur own medicine n method...at the end...die liao also nobody knows.

A farm is very easy to build...important thing...FOUNDATION!!!!!...

Make sure proper piling work is done.

Make sure footing is done according to spec.

Make sure Ground Beam is done according to spec.

Make sure Column raised is done according to spec.

Make sure 1st floor beam n 1st floor slab is done according to spec.

...n continue........


failing to check those...u might see ur farm entrance hole is on the ground and ur amp hanging some where near the sky........




Lucas1,

One stack of ringgits still looks much better than few bags of bn...hehe...

Lucas1,

One stack of ringgits still looks much better than few bags of bn...hehe...


Ya, money face, then don't complain of low price!

I have tried both N**T aroma and LP and believe me that both have no effects. Only birdshits are necessary in a new BH.

It is not good to discredit other blogger but, it is your kindness of Mr Benchai to save our hardearn money spend on misleading products. I have tried them, and proved that Ben chai is right.


This post has been edited by cll666: Today, 11:20 AM rate
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Wahl! What a surprise!!I thank you to friends and readers who call and email your support and endorsements for my article.

There are bloggers who talk of god’s blessing and Buddha philosophy and see into the future etc. etc. watch out lots of these ppl use this to portray themselves as god fearing ppl who can be trusted. Confident trickster will use this to make greedy victims part with your money with grand promises. If they can promise you 1000 nest in two years why not keep it for themselves? THINK THINK THINK

Self style PAK sifu who cannot even revamp his own BH is going around helping other ppl revamp their BH for a fee. and blaiming D. LIM for bad design. What a joke.Can revamp yourself Mah !

This type of ppl talking about bird nest farming blah ! blah ! (with due respect does not including genuine contributors ) should take a good look at themselves and think about SPERITUAL FARMING ie to do things that will benefit other farmers. Don’t sell false hope ! Quote from one of Indonesia’s most respected authority on swift lets “ BH with 20 KGs a month is very few and exceptional 2 to 3 kgs is more realistic.” 700 nest in two weeks my a… !!

I am proud of what I do to benefit ppl I don’t even know. I am sincere and do not fear being smear and defame in the net as promised. I will take anyone on anywhere in Sarawak. How many of us will politely decline state award and have twice read my lips twice decline nominations for The Star Volunteer of the year award.

So ! so easy to smear me Kah ?? For those who wish me very near to MY GOD hello kawan I am not going alone , I will take you with me. So beware woo woo wo woo. Bull shit will be met with bull shit.

I am not angry but have a mental relapse ( Manic State )and this is only for fun reading.

Found this once a lifetime opportunity online while not able to sleep n searching ....


kamalswift.com



Their Projection of Nest Harvesting as follow :

60 x 80 ft x 4 storey farm somewhere in Sg Tengas


1st month to 7th month - No nests income .

on the 8th month - 2kg n increasing every month

On the 16 month - 6.5kg n increasing every month

On the 20 month - 10.5kg n increasing every month

On the 24 month - 14.5 kg n increasing every month


so, in two years time, the farm will have at least 5500 nests inside in order to harvest 15kg a month.........


OMG!!!.....WHO SAID 2000 NESTS IN ONE YEAR IS NOT POSSIBLE!!....


WAIT.......


this result is purportedly recorded in one of their farm in Mojokorto, Indonesia.....


and they presume that with the same design, with the same method, they will able to get the same result here in malaysia...


So,what u think.....i want to take one lot lah!!!.....better than investing in stock what!!......


But then why they want to get ppls to invest, their selling price is low at RM400K a farm, n dividing it into 100 lots...one lot only RM4K...

WHY??....we can take one full farm !!......

But u have to sign an agreement with me and quaranteed this result on the 2nd year that the farm will have 5000 nests or else to pay me equivalent of RM5 millions compensation for my loss of future or projected income, then i will buy not one but 10 farms !...




BUT WAIT....THEY ARE NOT DOING SWIFTLET KEEPING......THEY ARE DOING SWIFTLET FARMING...LIKED FARMING CHICKEN!!!....


THIS IS NEW....IN THAT CASE......BN PRICE WILL DROP FROM RM4000 A KILO....TO RM40 A KILO SINCE WE CAN FARM THEM......

BUT.....

TO FARM SWIFTLETS TO PRODUCED 15KG OF BN A MONTH...

THEY WILL NEED TO FEED 5000 NESTS X 3 BIRDS (INCLUDE YOUNG CHICS) = 15,000 BIRDS A DAY.

THAT IS A LOT OF BIRDS TO FEED!!!..........




IT IS IMPOSSIBLE......




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Added on July 18, 2009, 11:07 amCAN ANYONE IN KEDAH GO THERE AND TAKE A LOOK ??

SG TENGAS, KULIM, KEDAH.

?? ANY VOLUNTEERS TO HELP TO INVESTIGATE WHETHER THIS INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY IS REAL??

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Added on July 18, 2009, 11:22 amThe Sg Tengas, Kulim, Kedah project are as follow :

Total Area of Breeding swiftlet is 62,156 sqft (1.5 acrea??).

Total Farm contruct = 12 units.

So, in order to have 5000 nests at each farm, total birds been trap in this area is 180,000 birds....isn't a lot of birds to trap in this tiny area??.....

according to CK lim book, half a million swiftlet population in sarawak cave consume about 2 tons of insects per day (estimation). that mean, the area needs to produce 1 ton of insects per day in order to feed this swiftlets !!..

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Added on July 18, 2009, 11:28 amthey are very convincing that swiftlets can survived with just feeds for their foods instead of insects...

but, will the bird's nests be as good as those that produced from swiftlets in nature that eat insects with natural proteins !!..

NO WONDER DURING THE MEETING, THE CHAIRMAN DID MENTIONED THAT

WE NEED TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO FARM SWIFTLETS AS


THE WORLD IS CHANGING AND THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING THAT

IT WILL AFFECT THE WHOLE WORLD WHERE FOOD WILL BE SCARCE TO FIND...

AND SWIFTLETS WILL NOT ABLE TO FIND ENOUGH INSECTS TO SURVIVE.....



HELLO !!!!....


IF SWIFTLETS CANNOT SURVIVE...U THINK HUMAN BEING CAN SURVIVE????


HUMAN BEING WILL HAVE NO TIME TO EAT BIRD'S NEST BUT FIGHTING,

ROB FOOD FROM EVERYONE IN ORDER TO SURVIVE!!!!....


THIS IS REDICULOUS !!!!.....



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This post has been edited by ChanK: Jul 18 2009, 11:28 AM

From A reader who PM me on what is the bird's path.


Form my personal interpretation, tt is the path taken by the birds going out insearch of food and returning home. Meaning that the birds will overfly your BH or at least very close to it to hear your birdcall if yours is in the the path of the birds and your Birdcall should be able to get them to visit your BH just like you set up a Hotel and cry out loud" Best 5 Stars Hotel in town and only Rm50 per night for this month only" and obviously, many people will go to the hotel to have a first hand look or view on what so special. And you need to ensure that your hotel is in the path of main stream of human, otherwise you will also fail, right????????


It has been many years since I visited my past ancestors at the grave yards and since then, there are BHs in the area as back as 5 years ago.
Now, there are over 8 BHs and those over 3 years have over 1000 nests according to one of the BHs owners @r the graveyard's area. It is to tell you that as long as the town birds remain, the chances of outer area like graveyard seen to be a potential area provided they are supplied with new birds from the nearby town. Maybe, their forefathers must lending a helping hand and I must visit my past ancestors more often and will try to get a piece of land close the them to ensure safety and good harvest in years to come. Hahahaha. Hopefully, the others staying there won't go to the Local Authorities to complain...

By the way,bad luck as there aren't any land for sale at the location.

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Added on July 18, 2009, 4:28 pmI agreed with Chank that you should get qualified building contractor with engineer to cerified and approve your BH and not consultant to build one. What do consultant know about building BH and you basically get a BH which may just be your happy grave if it happen to collapse when you are happily collecting nests. "here lie a Happy Man"

Get a Architect to draw your BH, an Engineer to calculate the amount of materials for the strength needed and others but not a consultant who seen to do all, he must be a genius to be a professional of all trades to know all these requirements and specifications.

I have seem many BHs in plantation with cracks and it just take time to have one disaster and do you know that the consultants don't even have a building plan for building the BHs......just do it and as long as it look like a BH, it is a BH.....that's I also can do.......anyone looking for a BH consultant and " contractoring" man from MO university ( MO stand for My Own) for a BH with no building plan.... and mind you, it cost even more than a commercial building with all the specifications and utilities provided in town.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 18 2009, 08:20 PM

huh. true. forgot to mention my con-tractor was also my con-sultant. u can guess what a mess things are now. mistake done, lesson learned. fortunately paid him for the structure only, management is by mua.

as mentioned by many, get the pros to do the qualitative and quantitative stuff, if certifications of sorts are needed, settle 'em first... if not i think for standalones a grace of one year is given for such documentation once completed, kalau tak silap.

ok, here are some stuff i did before settling on the current location of this 1st BH they maybe enough, maybe not (before anyone asks me how i estimated the distance of things... theres Google Earth you know.. >.<);

1. observe over a period of 4 months at different times of the day and varying weather. had time in hand and passed by the land a few times a fortnight so what the heck. did it with and without audio... kinda like a placebo.

2. Plantation areas, lots of scourging areas. Palm, rubber, veges and the sorts. Got many mango farms, pitayas & banana plots.

3. Near water sources... got two middle sized rivers, and nearby fisheries/freshwater prawn ponds. All within a 7-9 km radius. just in case, mad a 30x30 pond about 800ft away.

4. Seen 16 BH's within a 25km (roughly) radius (basically drove around in different directions entering villages and whichever road i found). 1/4 of them had birds coming home... not like the thousands i've seen in KT or Setiawan... maybe within the range of 500-800 (didnt actually count, just estimated and visually compared with what i've seen) birds. Nests? How should i know?

5. Located between two rather popular locations with history of BH's (town & standalones).

6. in the mean time made friends with some owners, did some own research, and yadayadayada stumbled upon this thread.... till now trying to increase bits and pieces of knowledge. owh, did stumble upon one Harry Blog. Was fun reading but didnt agree on his try this try that attitude (at the time).

7. Made a few friends who were members of associations and from there had a better insight of an actual producing BH. Went dizzy the first time entering a BH. The smell and humidity was a wee bit surprising for someone used to air conditioning. balik tu demam, my wife gelak and said kena sawan bruung. hehehe!

Anyways, decided on the location because had a gut feeling there was a bloody successful BH somewhere near based on the number of birds observed day to day. Wished i was superman so i could just fly and track down the BH's location, kowtow to the owner and ask to share some knowledge and a wee bit of wisdom. Haha!

think people interested or newbies should start off with sumthin like this. never rely on one source of information... and never judge info simply because it came from con-sultants. its better asking friends/family if the have any connections with BH owners, get a free briefing or intro, from there seek your own path. go get that GAHP cert after that. thats just ceremonial mostly (no offense JPV). if you meet any so called con-sultants, simply ask, "can i go see your successful BH please?" and listen carefully how he/she answers. hehheehehe!

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Jul 18 2009, 09:42 PM

Do you know why the price of nest dropped instead of going up normally at this time of the year? The recent abuse of power and wrongful detention of 2 Vietnamese tourists in KLIA by the abusive PERHILITAN officer on 1st July has caused a lot of damage. The idiot PERHILITAN officer had unlawfully detained the tourists and placed them in the lock-up for almost a week pending for court case. This case was actually a compoundable case or bail able. The officer could just compound them with a fine and release them immediately. It is like a custom officer compound you a couple of times more for duties on goods which you did not declare. It seems that the officer concerned asked for certain ‘personal favour’ which the tourists didn’t understand and so lives were made difficult for them because they are foreigners. It is just like police put you in lock-up for a simple parking offence because you did not want to buy him ‘kopi’.


Because of the news and the bad publicity, many regular foreign buyers stopped to come to Malaysia to buy our nests. So, this is the main reason for the drop in price.


Anyway, let us pool in our brains to discuss how we should do with the case. Are we going to just forget about it? I suppose there are ways to ensure that this should not be repeated to further tarnish the already stricken image of Malaysia. Please voice out your feelings and your suggestions.

chat with my friend in indonesia about this mojoyorkoto farm is in fact the amusement swiftlet park by Pak agug.....


My GOD.......got peoples really think that it does work !!!...Malaysia Boleh!!!


But........since they want to build an amusement swiftlet park to earn money from selling tickets to visitors and gives seminars to take cares of few birds in the park.....


why they go build so many farms ?....for what?....pak agug only have a place where he earn money not from farming swiftlets but earn money from tickets sales and seminars......you only needs one farm at each amusement swiftlet park to take cares of limited birds that will survived in there.......


hmm....Amused!...





Lucas1,

What to do?.....highlight to PM loh!!....he can help!...



ai yo.....actually sometimes i found that by sharing experiences in this forum does it really help all the new investors??

as most ppls gain their experience from Practical more than learning by reading other farmers experience.

They will tend to forget after reading it n repeat the same old mistake over n over n over again.......


but thats the fun of it, isn't it??.....


Tuntut,

U really think by asking the consultant to show u his/her successful farm is important?

Why? u think he can do another successful farm for u too?..... amused. brother...the consultant will `hentam sendiri' if u never asked him to show his successful farm!...

maybe because u think that if the consultant do not own any successful farm, he is for sure a CON-sultant right?

There is this consultant who owned a slowed farm and he go on to build farms for ppls as a consultant, he strike gold in Johor where he convert two shops n within 2 years it has 2000 nests n sold it to singaporean for how many millions. and singaporean treated him as GOD!!...haha....
And he is once the most famous consultant in johor!....of course with failed, slowed, successful farms under his belt. During his funeral, many johor farmers came...



So, whats that tell u?....hmm.....


It is alway entertaining to read ppls still think that who who is a good consultant that churn out one successful farm after another...


Amused...

of course, u can argue this n that this n that....but thats SF loh..... and thats fun too....hehe..



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This post has been edited by ChanK: Jul 19 2009, 10:06 AM

Any sifus experienced with stainless steel corner, can share the disadvantages? Am using 1" X 6" plank so can i use 5" x 6" for the steel corner? Presently using wood plank but the nests are small and odd shaped.
Tq.

lol, think you got my message wrong ChanK, you can't possibly think i have such a shallow mindset. i'm amused myself. was aiming at newbies like me, not old seasoned buggers like you.

i meant many advertised consultants dont own their own successful BH's, and was more of an advice to be wary of such people who talk kok rather than talk bird, to verify their credibility and ability. this is out of personal bad experience (looks like sharing bad experiences here was misunderstood or misinterpreted), and unfortunately there are many of these types of consultants among Malays. i'm not comparing with successful consultants such as ChanK mentioned... good for you knowing for such a good consultant, unfortunately not all of us are that lucky. especially those new and lack info. What happens to the majority of people are;

1. read the roi's and get aroused with possible returns. forgetting the actual issues and probable loopholes what more the risks. some even get caught in those lots for sale stuff. especially those with money to spend and thinking of investing in something long term with minimal workload.

2. search the web or ask around for advice from consultants if lacking the proper connections with BH owners, in the end stumbling upon various websites offering consultancy and contract services at a relatively high price, when in fact they can actually build on their own with professional help from related fields and tips from sincere or good consultants.

3. kelabu mata watching those birds fly around during location checks... totally ignorant of the fact that making birds fly around an audio is totally different from making birds enter a BH and making nests.

well, these are some of the stuff or stages that can easily be manipulated by con-sultants. you know this and so do i. i have been ridiculed so much by friends and family about this industry since most of them have heard many negative stories about such projects gone bad due to mis-advice or mismanagement by con-sultants despite claiming proudly to be the number on consultant in Malaysia and what not. some even mislead government agencies and the effects? some agencies have stopped giving support/loans/grants. all thanks to such con-sultants. kapish?

Secondly, don't take advice blindly from consultants, no matter how many successful BH's they claimed to have assisted. all of you know that what works for one BH might not work for another, and most of the time only the owner knows his own BH best, besides the owner also being his own BH's worst enemy.

About PERHILITAN's & customs actions against those Viet traders... unlawful, yes. Who are we trying to kid, even if they had the proper permits and proper taxes paid... i'm sure the authorities will still kacau them. This is Malaysia. We even have friends ending up dead falling from 14 story government building while being interrogated by government officials... up to 3 am in the morning???. If they value life that lightly... u think they'd care about a few Viet nationals? All i believe is we need some sort of total change, reshuffle, revolution in government. 50 years of a single party in power has made the supposedly functioning agencies, judiciary and government tools incapable of differentiating a political party and a ruling government. My tone may sound biased and incriminating... but the fact is, it is not this industry alone that is in plight.

Imagine if the Johor Proposal was implemented... involving more agencies, and monopoly of licensing... bad... very bad news...

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Jul 19 2009, 11:35 AM

Good points, bro dunsuntutmybuntut..

Agreed.

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Added on July 19, 2009, 11:46 am100% support wood corner n better still without the corner plank...more swiftlet friendly mah..

why waste money... my view le...


time to go makan....long time no eat Tan tart king in pavillion...hmm....durian tan tart...yummy..happy sunday.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jul 19 2009, 11:46 AM

Sometime I wonder, why some human just want to be different.....like having a gold toilet bowl, will your shit smell better with golden seat.......or your A H be more comfortable. Maybe silver, if silver do really kill bacteria if you have the money, buttock really full of bateria lah ...hahahaha

Since we are very sucessful with meranti wood and why stainless steel and if you want to try, maybe better try polycarbonate or something cheap and last longer. Then if you are sucessful, come and inform us and we shall be very grateful for you.

If meranti last for last than 20 years, why worry for if you are successful with your BH, you can even build 20 ore BHs with the money generated and have cash to buy you a new car. The main problem is how to get the birds to stay and make nests; worry if no bird stay or no nest....and that's I will be worry and not to try on something like stainless steel which common sense tell us that it is not a good material for swifltet cos the swiftlets may need to evolve to have their feet fitted with suckers like lizards instead of sharp nails.


Apologies if offended with no intention to hurt anyone.

sorry brother ChanK, used an unfair tone in the last post. Was a bit upset of recent happenings in Selangor and unfairly called you an old bugger (even though most of the time i use the term with compassion and love). i respect most of the forumers here as big brothers since they have knowledge and wisdom only time and experience can give.

So meranti should last for 20 years? Assuming this with proper BH maintenance, good quality wood, no leaks and what more?

Although realized that there was not much good or help to the industry complaining about politics, corruption, dysfunctional agencies and the sorts. Based on the main complaints by the public (irregardless of their bad intentions, jealluosy or malice), i think we can safely say that they are;

1. Noise Pollution

Due to 24/7 music played, not enough degrees (60 degrees angle), wrong decibles and not according to the time allowed. Putting errant BH owners aside... we have discussed that this can be overcome by those roof-top entry holes. With this, even the decibels won't pose much of a problem unless too near a high rise building.

2. Air Pollution

Ok, don't laugh. We know the stench can only be smelled within the BH. But is has been complained before and often with no substantial proof. Unless you next door neighbor actually has a crack on the wall next to your BH.

3. Health Concerns/Zoonosis

No proof of H1N1. No proof of any transmission of viruses or bacteria from swiftlets to humans or vice versa They do spread ticks among colonies. But this is no excuse, since the authorities are using this against BH owners, why not make a golden standard procedure for entering/harvesting/maintenance work of BH's starting with associations. Make it our prerogative.

Such simple things as wearing masks, head lamps, safety helmets or etc. Get NIOSH's approval or something and make them recognize that yes, it can be a hazardous job doing maintenance works/harvesting, but we are well prepared for it.

Disease wise, make it compulsory for submission of samples for screening. maybe once a year or every two/three harvests. No charges, it should be JPV's job for monitoring. Maybe lias with any university doing research about the industry, confirm free screening services since they need the samples and data! The old GAHP had a bloody long list of avian diseases, but no mention at all if swiftlets were hosts or intermediate hosts or not. Its like one author asking the other author "hey, apa eh nak tulis pasal penyakit layang-layang ni?, and the other asnwering "Ntah, cut paste je senarai penyakit burung letak dalam tu, abish cite".

Give no loopholes or openings for them to complain about hazard or health issues.

4. Hygeine

More or less the same as above, except ensuring entrance (for humans, not birds) are kept as sterile as possible, maybe make it necessary for washing boots/shoe ware every time entering leaving the BH. Like those GAHP procedures for entering integrators system reban ayam tertutup (was even mentioned in GAHP Swiftlet as well). a suitable washing solution must be used, no odor. I think the terms used by JPV is bio-security. Show them we have that...

5. Structural Safety & Hazards

this one should be commented by a structural engineer or someone with the expertise. i have no idea. since this is the main issue of town BH's i think someone can comment.

Having said all this, can someone post a sample application for BH permit? Tak kisah la mana2 location/pbt pun. I have no idea how the authorities evaluate a BH, based on what, before an application is approved. What standards do they use, what index do they use to rate a BH as acceptable and what is not and are those requirements practical or just additional red tape with malicious intent. I sternly believe that such ratings/checklists should be prepared by the industry, not agencies which lack technicalities.

I read the old GAHP again. I think they were writing about Hornbills or Ostriches, maybe some extinct flying dinosaurs... honestly.... the GAHP was too complicated, too many unnecessary details and some totally useless items. It seemed the authors wrote the GAHP in the state of severe diarrhea and dehydration... intermittent ideas here and there... and were forced to submit it within a day. But they did mention biosecurity, and basic stuff one should know.

Blablabla. I talk too much. JPV must hate me.

bro, no offence lah..where got offence?. i not that sensitive one... i should apologize for misunderstood u instead.

among brothers, even we argue, fight, hentam each other, next day we already forgotten and minum tea together again. haha.


but ai ya....just received an sms from uncle...


hai...sometimes....no news is actually good news....


A group of evils are not yet gives up on their quest and they are making their last move to manipulate ( well....politely said it loh....the actual meaning u know what i mean lah!) a few politicians to try to convince them the cabinet to stick to 3 years deadline.





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What next ??.....



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This post has been edited by ChanK: Jul 19 2009, 07:09 PM

EVIL MEN BURN IN HELL

I am sure that the PM is with us or else we won't be in Seremban and his men was firmed behind us in the question of moving the BH. What the Man said was something like these " The PM isn't interested in moving the town BH and you are all here to study and provide the best ways or solution to correct and solve the Swiftlets' problems in the town"

If the Authorities is to forgo what @ Seremban and proceed with the 3 years deadlines, I suggest that all BHs @ town to go for a showdown and prepare ourselves for the domed day for the swiftlets@town if all venue failed.
One method is to harvest all nests in 45 days cycle meaning throwing away all the eggs (May God forgive me) and since there will be no new bird from town, ECO farms willm suffer badly. Even the method seem ruthless, if there is no way out, it better that we prevent them from reproducing peacefully then to let the Authorities murdering at least twice amount of birds later in 3 years time. No more MUKAH!!!!! This way, we can cut losses and less killings in 3 years time.

Mehod 2: Paint the sky and hope for the best as many believe in this but we too, don't know what will happen also cos it maybe worst than now.

HOPEFULLY, WE NEED NOT COME TO THIS,

Latest insider info received that the Sarawak Forestry Corporation Rangers are likely to do something bad again tomorrow or day after, 20.07.09 in Mukah. Looks like the idiots never learn. They have forgotten about the PEOPLE'S POWER.

[quote=benchai,Jul 17 2009, 10:40 PM]
I have tried both N**T aroma and LP and believe me that both have no effects. Only birdshits are necessary in a new BH.

It is not good to discredit other blogger but, it is your kindness of Mr Benchai to save our hardearn money spend on misleading products. I have tried them, and proved that Ben chai is right.
This post has been edited by cll666: Today, 11:20 AM rate
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Wahl! What a surprise!!I thank you to friends and readers who call and email your support and endorsements for my article.

There are bloggers who talk of god’s blessing and Buddha philosophy and see into the future etc. etc. watch out lots of these ppl use this to portray themselves as god fearing ppl who can be trusted. Confident trickster will use this to make greedy victims part with your money with grand promises. If they can promise you 1000 nest in two years why not keep it for themselves? THINK THINK THINK

Dear Ben,
I totally support you for all your unselfish efforts & kind works done and also to expose those bloggers whose intention is to make money by writing only successful stories. What about those who shit on them? Worse is this particular blogger made such statement of you, Ben who is respected social worker here that you r old nearing to the end of the world. what a cruel statement, too much. I am silent successful farmer yet i never attended seminar or used those so called artificial aroma.
Ben. we support you & keep ur good works.

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Added on July 19, 2009, 11:27 pm[quote=Lucas 1,Jul 19 2009, 10:49 PM]
Latest insider info received that the Sarawak Forestry Corporation Rangers are likely to do something bad again tomorrow or day after, 20.07.09 in Mukah. Looks like the idiots never learn. They have forgotten about the PEOPLE'S POWER.

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Ya. I was noticed that most swiftlets farmer here start blasting sound like nobody business again. Most have forgotten actions taken by forestry. Complaints starting coming again but worse is statement by bh association claiming all existing bn r allowed to operate. Bh association in Sibu meeting even proudly published in news on the guidelines which is only proposal drawn up in Seremban last month. How can bh association made such statement? Sarawak is under different land code, as our forest director mentioned this is in swak. Why provoke them, this is what we get.

If there is no compliant from our neighbours, i am sure the authority will close one eye. Provided no sound or accessories or tweeters found inside the bh, they can not do anythings. Now what is consequence, forest raiders come again. who to blame, ourself.

So i would not be surprised they r coming again.

This post has been edited by Swiftsarikei: Jul 19 2009, 11:27 PM

Thank you swiftserikei for your support . I have been reading this site for over a year and never once wrote any criticism of air my views.

When I contacted the seller re-the disastrous result from using the green ammonia smelling L…P….. . I was NOT offered any remedy or refund but given the come on that that there are other method to bring back the birds to my then new BH . I did not ask him for how much more ? For your information KPW group came and offered help and Pak Han Sent me the remedy all for FOC .Thanks My Friends.

I felt that at this point that I should alert other fellow BH owners . See how they try to defame me ! Go back to the V2, I was called an old man! And a suggestion that I am a homosexual!!!

I have a big heart and always fighting for the underdogs and have put myself in difficult position but that’s my nature . Although I no longer have a BH on shoplot I chose to fight and support other shoplot BH owners.

I unselfishly came forward to act as spokesman on behalf of Miri Swift lets Association and decline their offer of paying for my travelling expenses. Who else dare to speak out as I did for shoplot BH owners and no benefit to my standalone BH.

Then I was ridicule by Trock Of KT the smart alex with a failed BH. This smart a.. . was trying to get attention at my expense. I was mentioned by name and I cannot keep silent. My plead for 2 years grace period was a last resort to protect the livelihood of many Sarawak BH owners. I only speak about Sarawak BN industry.

Tomorrow Forestry Department will again be raiding BH in Mukah. Will the man who lusciously preaching that the” truth will prevail “come forward and help us poor backward PPL of Sarawak.? Hay! Man put your money where your mouth is!!!

I will continue to be vocal if it helps others. (“Spiritual Farming “ ) and will not speak on subject that I don’t know or fully understand. A matter of interest look into today’s The Borneo Post, 1 and ½ page on social work I do.

I welcome the threat of libelous and defaming Publications. If I find that the culprit is worth more then fifty cents I know what to do. It took me 7 years to sue an ex-YB for 1.2 ml. and have just received judgment. Want to try me.?

Swiftsarikei,
We agree with you that in the workshop of Seramban, it was only a proposal which has yet to be approved. But we must understand that it was done with the understanding and in principle that the Prime Minister’s Office was the one directed the JPV to take the lead role to have the 1st time in the history a most comprehensive and fruitful discussion ever with the key representatives of the industry to draft a win-win guideline. The Federal Govt has announced the bird’s nest industry as one of the 3 most High Valued Industries presently and the Govt wishes to assist and groom it to maximise its potential to benefit the country and its people. The Govt realised that it would do more harm than good to the country if the BHs are removed from the towns. Therefore, most BHs in towns will continue to stay except that there are good practices guidelines that these BHs would have to adhere strictly. That includes the control of the sound volume.

These guidelines do not condone indiscriminating blasting of the sound to the extent of creating noise pollution. These guidelines after passing through the Parliament as a new ACT shall supersede all individual state local rules and applicable to all the states under ONE MALAYSIA. Difference in land code is irrelevant here. Guideline on a benefitting industry blankets the whole country. Only state that is not under MALASIA needs not to follow.

The rangers start moving again in Mukah is not due to the noise pollution. Nuisance Act is under Local Govt. Rangers are there for the publicly known hidden evil agenda of their bosses again. It is with regret that some black sheep in Sarikei are very inconsiderate causing noise pollution to the neighbourhood. We do not think that the Sarikei Association condone that too. Have you highlighted to their Chairman, Mr Chan yet? We believe the Association would definitely do something positive to deal with the situation. By the way, have you joined the Association? Why don’t you? Or alternatively, you can start a new one. UNITY IS ALWAYS STRENGTH. ALL BH OWNERS ARE ON THE SAME SAMPAN. WE SHOULDN’T ROCK THE SAMPAN OURSELVES. Remember, BHs, nowadays are rice bowls of many. When BH owners cornered with rice bowls broken in desperation, the perpetrators will have to pay very expensively in the end.

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Added on July 20, 2009, 3:01 amWest Wind,

Don’t have to get yourself over worried and excited over this news. We need not to come to this situation yet. Many owners including many present and retired TAIKOHs and TAILOHs already know who these people are. They even have these perpetrators’ full particulars in details, such as their families, cars, offices etc. Some of these perpetrators are even Datuks. A couple of them even attended a meeting recently. But, so what? The TAIKOHs and the TAILOHs would know what to do best for these assholes including those who are conspiring with them if sands are thrown into their rice bowls. They are monitoring them………..very closely………

Haha…….. 1st time I am seeing West Wind jumping like a frog……………. Relax………….








This post has been edited by Lucas 1: Jul 20 2009, 03:01 AM