lol i guess you must not be used to the matchup. I don't see much gief tourney vids from japan anymore.. Whenever a major japanese SF4 event happens, I only see a gazillion sagats, a few Ryus, a Chun or 2 and maybe a viper, sometimes a fuerte even, but all Zangiefs will always be peaced out on pools. Why is that? The Japanese already found out and adapted to all his tricks?