haha so our pana jie is tubed d now, no more jphones ?

but hell yeah s60+ SE is the ultimate combination, no more limited usefull software for SE
the main menu does look like nokia though, which is kinda dull n boring, hope that's just for the prototype, i prefer flashy typical SE menu
hope it's within my budget when released, n no serious delay pls SE!!!

I guess everyone is waiting for this Satio and Aino. How come does the Aino get better ratings at GSMArena.com compared to Satio? I was poisoned with this phone since... CNY this year. Now seems like the wait is neverending.

well, i'm not very sure about the others, but i'm not considering this phone just bcos it's got 12mp and xenon, but rather it's just one of the advantages compared to other phones with almost the same price and function.

let's say someone is lookin for a touchscreen camera phone at least 5mp, with gps and wifi, most of the phones (n97, i8910, omnia 2, jet, pixon12) fall into this price category (around rm2k or above). since you gotta buy a phone at this price anyway, why not consider one with a better camera, isnt it?

if u want to know wats the advantage, ask those who want xenon flashes to be included in every cameraphone.

in any case, even if sony is dumb enough not to put a new sensor inside, wont u agree that xenon flash will provide enough light so that pictures in the dark are not choppy compared to using only a LED flash? most cameras take good picture in bright lighting, it's just the dark to makes everyone look bad.

yes, i understand. a phone is still a phone, point taken.
it's like saying, u spend so much to buy n97, i can use the same money to buy a netbook, yadayada.
i'm not looking for a camera, i'm looking for the phone with the best functions overall.

I donno where u get the info that satio have a sux sensor? From what i've learned from GSM Arena, satio have a very good sensor in witch it can fully replace a mid-range point-and-shoot digicam

source: GSM Arena Sony Ericsson Satio (Idou) preview

12MP without bigger sensor with Xenon Flash is useless. Eventhough we could adjust the Megapixel to 5MP, then other 7MP is useless. I know the advantage of Xenon Flash. I tried my boss N82 before. Works perfect. The camera is nice. Because of it's sensor. It's suits with 5MP of the N82. Satio? If Sony didn't do anything with the sensor. It's useless, the picture isn't good for higher pixel picture. It's a drawback for Satio. I think so. Wait for the review.

sony>samsung ~lolz~

oh , RM2499 is reasonable ~  

4 month later 1899 haha

aruja said RM2,499 , wait a minute , samsung pixon12 retail price is RM 2699 ~

I think their reason for jacking up the high price tag is due to the processing hardware. It does come with it's own dedicated graphics chip. But if sales is bad, price will drop.

Got a news from someone from authorized distributor for SE lah that is selling RRP 2499. But must remember that price will up and down bcos limited stocks. Like i brought X1 for 28xx and the market is selling 3xxx bcos limited stocks.