I have checked their videos. I hope the menu action isn't pre-rendered. Otherwise, looks like we have a pretty functional prototype which indicates product readiness. Guess we will have to keep an eye on FCC/CE leaks. If these products hit FCC/CE before Q2 ends, we should be able to expect Q3/4 launch. Otherwise, it'll be next year.

what is FCC/CE?
hope this phone will launch this year

fcc = federal communication commission

ec = european community

most people does not need cameras that has more than 5mp...seriously it's a marketing gimmick that an 8mp is better than 5mp.
there's no need for an 8mp camera if the quality is still lacking...

quality is much more important than MP count..

for a graphic designer like me, i do need both quality and MP count as a higher mp camera makes larger pictures and i can easily use these large pictures for large scale prints like large banners and billboards.

even 8 megapixel and 12 megapixel u cant really see the diff too..

s60 gonna trash down winMO. hahaha

Larger photo and larger prints only lor... If we used it on PC/Web, no difference. In fact, it'll be ruin if we don't resize it. When was the last time you receive ugly quality pictures from ultra large forwarded emails because the sender forgot to resize them?

Anyway picture quality will most likely suffer since they're cramming more pixels to the same sensor size. Unless they enlarge the silicon die to accommodate 4MP increase in resolution. Otherwise, we'll see overflowing of light to the neighbor sensor, noise and all the unacceptable characteristics of ultra-highly dense sensor chip. The compact camera is bad enough.

Actually, I'd rather hope they keep all the rest of the feature, but give it a 8mp or 5mp camera and cut down the cost by 200??

I mean, the rest of the features are already pre existing. I think the cost of the phone can be much lower had they chosen a lower MP phone.

If SE can come out with a 1.7k phone (firsts launch price) that looks and use like that, they'll definitely own the entire msian market.

12MP is not really useful, and will just add cost to the phone, IMHO.
Especially now with the economic downtrend and what not.

Based on the hype of the phone, does 12 mp and the new sensor mean that we can now carry around the phone instead of our cameras for really good pictures? Or will it still not be up to par with the current cameras?

only for replacing our PnS camera la..i do believe c905 camera quality is already on par wif other compact digicam..
btw, will sony uses d same touchscreen tech found in d x-series walkman? oled+capacitive?

it never will take over digital camera; not at the meantime. camera's on phone will only for convenience purpose.

unless sony decided to port the whole camera algorithm and chips from a PnS camera and implement into this phone. if not, my guess will be just the same with other phone camera. i am more concern towards the algorithm, not megapixel.

Need to wait untill this year end right ?

well current top of the line camera phone do owns many of the older PnS cameras, and particularly those China brand cameras

This phone is for rich people one.

Well if the cost of the phone (final version) doesn't escalate to more than RM2,000 then seriously RM1,700 or RM1,800 is not too bad a price.

I got my current phone last year August at market price for RM1,700 (but that is because I dealt with a reputable trader). Probably for the SE:Idou the price will be high but only for the 12mp it is boasting.

At least we can wait till the end of this year; time to save!

we will have to see how good is this new sensor by Sony. it is supposedly based off a Sony Alpha DSLR sensor, and the sensor size is bigger than other mobile phone cameras. however, the lense on the phone does look rather small from the photo.

the touchscreen used should be the same resistive touchscreen as used in the 5800. it is unlikely to be capacitive because the Symbian Touch 60 is just not optimized for it (as of now).

resistive touchscreen is cheaper cost, so mostly it will be used. furthermore, most ppl like resistive rather than capacitive; since capacitive is harder to use and ppl like use fingernail rather than finger...

abt the sensor might be DSLR... got source? i remember there is a news abt that, but i dont think it is Idou.

although its 12.1mp + xenon flash
but something need to be confirm, how is the size of a 12.1mp photo
and i think Idou need a memory card more than 8GB if not u can guess how many photos it can be took

to me, i've always enjoyed using my iPhone's capacitive screens compared to resistive screens. maybe it is just me.

yup. true. if the camera makes very high compression of a 12.1mp photo, then it would be rather pointless as well like with most camera phones today that have so many MP but the size of the photos are really small, which shows that not much data is in the photo, hence lower quality photos.

same here. but i sold my iphone. last 2 weeks i used back iphone and dem i miss that screen; and iphone too... but now with 5800xm.. at least can tahan awhile la...

i agree with what you said; if the compression is too low, then no point having a 12.1mp when u dont get the detail. that is also why it(phone camera) cant take away digital camera's limelight.