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post Feb 12 2009, 06:13 AM, updated 15y ago

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http://www.variety.com/article/VR111799998...egoryid=13&cs=1

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Nolan tackles 'Inception' for WB
Studio gets 'Dark Knight' director for sci-fi pic


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Warner Bros. is tying up a big deal with its "Dark Knight" director Christopher Nolan for a big-scale spec script titled "Inception" that Nolan wrote and will direct as his likely next film.

WB is aiming for a summer 2010 release; production begins this summer.

Nolan will produce with Emma Thomas.



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Christopher Nolan inks 'Inception'
Sets up original screenplay at Warner Bros.


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Christopher Nolan has set up his next project with Warner Bros., an original screenplay he wrote called "Inception." The "Dark Knight" director hopes to shoot the sci-fi action film in the summer for a release during summer 2010.

Nolan will produce with partner Emma Thomas, who served as a producer on "The Dark Knight."

"Chris Nolan is a visionary filmmaker who continually raises the bar with each movie he makes," Warner Bros. Pictures Group president Jeff Robinov said. "We are thrilled to be collaborating again with him and Emma on this exciting new motion picture."

Given the billion-dollar bonanza Nolan delivered with "Knight," one would suppose a treatment based on some poems he wrote in his fifth-grade journal would have gotten the green light. The writer-director-producer has done well by the studio, with "Insomnia," "Batman Begins" and "The Prestige" bringing in close to half a billion in additional theatrical revenue.

"Inception" is described as "a contemporary sci-fi actioner set within the architecture of the mind."

This pushes back any potential filming on a new Batman film, but three years -- and "The Prestige" -- passed between "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight." Nolan has also long been attached to direct a big-screen adaptation of the British TV series "The Prisoner" for producer Scott Stuber at Universal.

The CAA-repped Nolan wrote the screenplays for "Memento," based on a short story written by his brother, Jonathan, and "Following," his debut feature in 1998. The only directing project he hasn't written is "Insomnia," his 2002 remake of the Norwegian thriller.

He and Jonathan (with story credit) earned Golden Globe and Oscar nominations for their "Memento" script, which won an Independent Spirit Award for best screenplay and the Waldo Salt Screenwriting Award at Sundance in 2001. Their "Dark Knight" screenplay earned a WGA Award nomination this year for best adapted screenplay (with David S. Goyer).


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Finally Christopher Nolan is into sci-fi !!!
And I think his next movie after Inception will be Batman 3 rclxms.gif , which will probably his last Bat movie...... cry.gif After all you can't expect him to do Batman for the rest of his career, isn't it? He got to move on......
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QUOTE(HITMAN316 @ Feb 12 2009, 09:21 AM)
Finally Christopher Nolan is into sci-fi !!!
And I think his next movie after Inception will be Batman 3 rclxms.gif , which will probably his last Bat movie...... cry.gif  After all you can't expect him to do Batman for the rest of his career, isn't it? He got to move on......
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well technically the prestige is a scifi, if u look closely...
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Sauce: http://www.latinoreview.com/news/dicaprio-...-inception-6312
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DiCaprio Will Star In Nolan's Inception

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Leonardo DiCaprio will star in "Inception," the science-fiction film that Christopher Nolan wrote and will direct as his next pic at Warner Bros, reports the trades

The project shoots this year and is slated to be released in summer 2010, with Nolan and Emma Thomas producing. DiCaprio's deal is in final negotiations.

Script has been kept under wraps but the studio calls it a contemporary sci-fi actioner set within the architecture of the mind.

DiCaprio, coming off "Revolutionary Road" and "Body of Lies," will next be seen starring in the Martin Scorsese-directed "Shutter Island" at Paramount.

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Marion Cotillard

Leonardo DiCaprio

Joseph Gordon-Levitt 

Ellen Page

Michael Caine 

Cillian Murphy 

Ken Watanabe

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Next summer's movie better dont disappoint me.

Inception looks like it's gonna be good.

Really hope this one doesnt disappoint me.
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QUOTE(KingKongStudy @ Jul 11 2009, 06:09 PM)
EPIC CAST!!!!  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jul 12 2009, 01:21 AM)
Next summer's movie better dont disappoint me.

Inception looks like it's gonna be good.

Really hope this one doesnt disappoint me.
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Inception is a must-watch movie really, the name of Christopher Nolan is enough to convince me to walk into the theatre to watch this movie. After all I've seen all his movies except his debut film - Following.
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I too,have almost watched all Nolan's movies,left the Following and Insomnia.

Memento and TDK are his best movies for me.
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Teaser trailer is now online:

480p:

http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll...rd&sid=91716254

720p:

http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll...rd&sid=91716256

1080p:

http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll...rd&sid=91716261
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Download 1080p version here:

http://rapidshare.com/files/271101545/Inception_Teaser.mp4

Right-click open in a new window/tab.

Directly playable on the PS3. Remuxed (not converted) from the Quicktime MOV format.

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A Few Inception Details Sneak Out
http://www.reelzchannel.com/movie-news/488...tails-sneak-out

The mystery surrounding Christopher Nolan's upcoming thriller Inception has been extremely hard to penetrate. Along with the earlier trailer revelation that it contains airborne hallway battles, there's the photographic "reveal" this weekend that the movie will feature a sharply dressed Leonardo DiCaprio sitting dangerously on a window sill.

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There is one thing Nolan can't keep secret: Inception opens July 16, 2010.

Leonardo DiCaprio Continues to Film 'Inception'!
http://www.sassyqarla.com/2009/10/leonardo-dicaprio.html
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Leonardo DiCaprio continues to film his latest movie "Inception" which filmed on location at the LAX airport in Los Angles, California on October 26, 2009. A teaser trailer of "Inception" was posted on the official website of the movie which is directed by Christopher Nolan (Dark Knight). Ellen Page is one of Leonardo DiCaprio's cast members.

The movie's budget was reported to be $180-million. They started shooting in Japan in June, then Morocco, Paris, United Kingdom and Alberta, Canada. The movie will be released in IMAX biggrin.gif by next summer. What's with the walk Leo? It looks a little goofy - but cute. (Photo Credit: Shinn/Fame Pictures)



The claim the movie now has a budget of $200 million, making it one of the most expensive movies ever made (though not close to Spider-Man 3 or Pirates 3).

Looks set to be a 2010 most wanted movie. Looks and feels epic.

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music by Hans Zimmer eh :clap
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Inception
-The beginning of something, such as an undertaking; a commencement.-

hmm... kinda sci-fi?
the effects of gravity are distorted.. what kind of device can do that? is it theres an external extra gravity which causes the water in the glass to tip one side, or merely just the table underneath it is moved and the glass is stuck on the table? tongue.gif

still, anything by nolan is worth watching
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Inception's New Poster

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http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/12/16/the-in...t-have-noticed/

The Inception Poster: A Couple Things You Might Not Have Noticed

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there was another new trailer for Inception but it isnt available for public viewing yet.

/Film brief description and some reactions to the 2nd trailer -> http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/12/21/descri...eption-trailer/

will post the 2nd trailer here when its available online.





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it is nice to see that Nolan now have to enough reputation to get studio exec to green light a $180 million production for an original movie. with Nolan onboard i believe this movie will the a mind blowing sci fi with epic story arc biggrin.gif
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This movie is going to trick us in ways we never imagined. Chris Nolan is a genius at this...


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What is this movie about anyway?
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A contemporary science fiction action thriller set within the architecture of the mind.


Second poster?
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2nd trailer release December 24th, 2009



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QUOTE(kding2 @ Dec 22 2009, 07:10 PM)
What is this movie about anyway?
Very good question. biggrin.gif


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post Dec 23 2009, 09:22 PM

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International Trailer (French)


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i have high hopes on this movie...

i can see lots of slow-mos, eventhough its a short trailer....

hopefully Chris Nolan dun end up like Pang Brothers Storm Warriors... full of slow-mos for the whole farking movie until the whole thing becomes as boring as hell... shakehead.gif
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Not going to watch the French trailer, waiting patiently for the English trailer. tongue.gif
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holy mother of god jesus christ. the trailer gave me chills! sweat.gif
love how the city was folding it's way up.
0.33 seconds reminded me of gotham city background at night.
whats Leo gonna steal ?
and also loving the slow motions as well

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icon_idea.gif lol

the girl at the end of the trailer shouting "wake me up", what could it be ? hmm hmm.gif
im blown off by the trailer. wow, i cant wait for 16 july 2010. a must watch movie. enough said.
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QUOTE(Calvin871989 @ Dec 29 2009, 06:00 AM)


holy mother of god jesus christ. the trailer gave me chills! sweat.gif
love how the city was folding it's way up.
0.33 seconds reminded me of gotham city background at night.
whats Leo gonna steal ?
and also loving the slow motions as well

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icon_idea.gif lol

the girl at the end of the trailer shouting "wake me up", what could it be ? hmm hmm.gif
im blown off by the trailer. wow, i cant wait for 16 july 2010. a must watch movie. enough said.
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this being a nolan movie, must have a lot of plot twist to f**k with you mind biggrin.gif
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OMG liked the trailer so much....both the screenplay and trailer music were matching each other very well
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So early....this movie is gonna be overhyped and in the end fall short of everyones expectation.

Typical....typical....
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So early....this movie is gonna be overhyped and in the end fall short of everyones expectation.

Typical....typical....
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Nolan have never actually made a bad film, and the last film he directed is one of the biggest hyped film of all time, to many ppl suprise it actually deliver and surpass many expectation, so i think it is safe to say this will be a good film, maybe even a great one.
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holy shiat. this is wat i call an awesome trailer: show u enough snippets of epic scenes with vague expository dialogue, yet u still have no single clue what the movie is about, and it hooks your attention immediately in wanting to find out more. cant wait till summer next year!
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Dec 30 2009, 10:55 PM)
Nolan have never actually made a bad film, and the last film he directed is one of the biggest hyped film of all time, to many ppl suprise it actually deliver and surpass many expectation, so i think it is safe to say this will be a good film, maybe even a great one.
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Trailer looks as good as the cast.
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I've not been this amazed since the first Matrix trailer.
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chistopher nolan & dicaprio. must watch!
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was that Ellen Page? have a feeling this film will b spectacular..
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speculation on the plot. read and watch the recut trailer: http://eatingclass.blogspot.com/2009/12/my...nd-of-year.html

rclxub.gif makes my head go spinning around in circles. hope the video was helpful guys.

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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomple...-taken-on-.html

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Bigger than Batman: Christopher Nolan says 'Inception' is 'the biggest challenge I've taken on'

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So what exactly is “Inception”? That’s a popular question after a visually dazzling but enigmatic trailer was released for a film that didn’t exactly clear things up with its title.

Is it an international thriller? A story of madness and lost love? Or Hollywood’s very first metaphysical heist movie? The answer is “all of the above,” according to writer-director Christopher Nolan, whose follow-up to “The Dark Knight” seems to have Ian Fleming, the Wachowski Brothers and Sigmund Freud as its spiritual advisors.

“I think we’ve put a lot of different things into the pot with this one,” Nolan said this week during a break from the editing bay.

“I grew up watching James Bond films and loving those and watching spy movies with their globetrotting sensibility.... We get to do that here, not just geographically but also in time and dimensions of reality as well. We get to make a movie that’s expansive, I suppose you’d say, in four dimensions.”

The Legendary Pictures and Warner Bros. release is shaping up as one of the most intriguing releases of 2010. Leonardo DiCaprio leads a cast that includes Marion Cotillard, Cillian Murphy, Michael Caine, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Ellen Page and Ken Watanabe.

The film was produced by Emma Thomas, who is Nolan's wife as well as his career partner. She said that "Inception" is a story that requires a huge canvas. The pair didn't set out looking for a way to top their Batman epic in scope, that's just where Nolan's "Inception" script took them.

“It’s something that we had been talking about on and off for seven or eight years," Thomas said. "Coming off of the ‘The Dark Knight,’ the only thing we really knew is that we wanted to do something more personal. It seemed like the right time to do this. The fact that it’s really just an enormous movie -- that wasn’t ever really a factor in the decision. This story lends itself to a movie of this size."

A key part of the premise is corporate espionage by way of dream invasion, but motives and even reality are slippery in a film that toys with perception as its travels through time and space. The crew covered a lot of territory too, filming in six countries.

“This is the biggest challenge I’ve taken on to this point,” said Nolan, who may return to Gotham City for his next feature. “We’re trying to tell a story on a massive scale, a true blockbuster scale – the biggest I’ve ever been involved with. We tried to make a very large-scale film with ‘The Dark Knight’ and with this one we wanted to push that even further.”


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imho, nolan's twist is better than shymalan's twist..
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http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/entert...vie-of-all-time

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Leonardo DiCaprio Says Inception “Didn’t Make Sense to Many of Us When We Were Doing It”

The material and its complexity are what I’m attracted to…I’ve been lucky to work with people who want to tell stories that hit on different cylinders simultaneously. ‘Shutter Island’ is definitely that. ‘Inception’ is the same. It is Chris delving into dream psychoanalysis and, at the same time, making a high-octane, surreal film that came from his mind. He wrote the entire thing, and it all made sense to him. It didn’t make sense to many of us when we were doing it. We had to do a lot of detective work (laughing) to figure out what the movie was about.



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ohh it involves dreams... now that kinda makes sense...
wondered what itll have been if a sci-fi kinda movie.
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Talking about the plots, my friend even speculates something about dream, elemental bending and symmetrical. Well, it looks like that in the trailer, isn't it?
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I watched the trailer and was like wth... the whole street and buildings bending like that... tongue.gif

Looks set to be the year's most anticipated flick!


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I watched the trailer and was like wth... the whole street and buildings bending like that...  tongue.gif

Looks set to be the year's most anticipated flick!
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Haha...C. Nolan managed to make one trailer that nobody can really understand!!! rclxms.gif flex.gif
I guess we shud wait for the next trailer then
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QUOTE(BernardGT @ Feb 22 2010, 08:11 PM)
Haha...C. Nolan managed to make one trailer that nobody can really understand!!!  rclxms.gif  flex.gif
I guess we shud wait for the next trailer then
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i'd rather go into the cinema without any info about the movie except the previous trailer, just like when i watch the dark knight....literally got mindf**ked by the movie in the theater lol
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Now this is interesting. Its kinda rare to see a highly anticipated flick without even a plot yet.
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http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/03/10/new-in...and-conception/

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New Inception Tidbits: Plot Details Confirmed, Running Time and Conception

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There hasn’t been much new on the Inception front recently, but I thought I’d cover some of the recent tidbits we’ve missed.

/Film Shane T informs us that in the February issue of Empire Magazine, there is a very brief mention of Inception in the “On-Set Preview” section, where it states that writer/director Christopher Nolan came up with the idea for the movie when he was only 16 years old. Crazy…

Secondly, Playlist has also reprinted a quote Nolan gave the magazine which further confirms the leaked plot line from last year:

“Basically the film deals with levels of reality, and perceptions of reality which is something I’m very interested in. Its an action film set in a contemporary world, but with a slight science-fiction bent to it. Cobb [Leonardo DiCaprio's character], who is the center of things and expert in a particular technology that the film revolves around, has put this team around him [Ellen Page, Tom Hardy, Joseph Gordon Levitt]. It’s very much an ensemble film structured somewhat as a heist movie. It’s an action adventure that spans the globe.”

And lastly, star Leonardo Dicaprio was recently interviewed by movies.ie where he was asked about Inception, and answered:

“I can tell you it’s about two hours long, give or take,” DiCaprio smiles. “Anything more than that, and Chris has vowed to have me strung up by my tongue…”


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http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=27308

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Expect multiple, simultaneous narratives


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"It is complicated. It's a complicated story-structure, but it's sprung from the great filmmaker Christopher Nolan's mind, and he's been able to take highly complex jigsaw puzzles in a narrative and put them together like we've never seen."

"This is a plot-structure that's working on multiple layers simultaneously - and quite literally when I say simultaneously, I do mean multiple narratives simultaneously. So everyone's going to be in for a treat when they see it, including me."


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Multiple layers of wat now?

Wow... this looks set to be a very, very 'one-of-a-kind' movie! One that (perhaps) go down in the history books of films?

No.1 on my 2010 Must Watch Movie List.
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http://www.collider.com/2010/03/25/directo...and-a-lot-more/

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Christopher Nolan Filmed Some of Inception Using 65mm, Calls 3D “An Interesting Development”

“We have the highest quality image of any film that’s being made and that allows us to reformat the film for any distribution form that we’d like to put it in. We’re definitely going to do an IMAX release. We’re excited about doing that and using our original negative 65mm photography to maximize the effect of that release.”

“3D I think is an interesting development in movies or the resurgence of 3D. It’s something we’re looking at and watching. There are certain limitations of shooting in 3D. You have to shoot on video, which I’m not a fan of. I like shooting on film. And so then you’re looking at post-conversion processes which are moving forward in very exciting ways.”



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http://www.mind-crime.com/stage2/

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different narratives, diffrent storylines suposedly...
kinda of like those hitler parodies on youtube... hahaha..
but seriously, if its successfully executed, it may be worth it to buy the blu-ray and have a feature of having a specific narrattive be played.
that way you can sit and rewatch with the different narratives and have different experiences from the movie...
atleast thats what i understand from it. would be cool if he pull it off...
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3rd Inception Trailer Confirmed w/ Iron Man 2 on May 7th

http://www.nolanfans.com/2010/04/23/3rd-in...d-w-iron-man-2/
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Can't wait for it! Anything from Nolan bound to be good...
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third trailer finally online rclxm9.gif

but it currently only available in the cinema, and inside its viral game mindcrime, the HD version will be available on Monday smile.gif


Added on May 8, 2010, 4:14 amhttp://wbads-98.vo.llnwd.net/e1/wbmovies/inception/mcre/cobb3.ogv

found this link, so can watch the trailer as long as the link is not dead ;P

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holly shit, was that the best trailer or best movie this year ?
to much shown in the trailer guys, so if i was you, just stick to the 1st or 2nd trailer.

god damn it, should've stayed away from the 3rd trailer

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holly shit, was that the best trailer or best movie this year ?
to much shown in the trailer guys, so if i was you, just stick to the 1st or 2nd trailer.

god damn it, should've stayed away from the 3rd trailer

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QUOTE(dlct87 @ May 8 2010, 04:50 AM)
ya, should put in the "watch at your own risk" tag, my bad tongue.gif

but have faith in Nolan, there is still more about this movie that have not been revealed wink.gif
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just to let others know, the 3rd trailer is 2:25 minutes long
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Not really any big spoilers for me - just more awesome scenes in dreams.

By the way, third trailer can be found here: http://www.scificool.com/third-trailer-for...lans-inception/
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One of the BEST trailer I have seen so far. Definitely going to watch it on the first day of release.
Favourite lines from the trailer:

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holy shit, the trailer is so mind blowingly awesome. cannot wait to see it in the cinema if Nolan have done it again, he must have sacrifice something very precious to something very evil to keep coming with awesome movie.
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Speechless! When is this movie being shown on local cinema?

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not to mention the music in the trailer, fit in superbly with the cut, and....just awesome:D
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Too much given away in third trailer? Then this will be a pass for me!

Unless of course trailer shows up in cinemas.
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Good. Quiet a few actor/es frpm the Dark Knight. I guess they're Nolan's favourite huh?
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Too much given away in third trailer? Then this will be a pass for me!

Unless of course trailer shows up in cinemas.
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Yeah, I dont think it revealed all that much. It does give us a proper premise though, so you at least know what the movie is about now. Some prefer not knowing anything before blindly going in, but I dont think some basic information wont hurt it. And yes, "Dreams feel real while we're in them. It's only when we wake up we realize that something is actually strange.", is an awesome line, not because it sounds cool, but because, damn, it's so true. I guess that line provides the context in which you see all the weird stuff happening. It's certainly sounds very original and interesting and one movie I will definitely watch.

That said, the new trailer does set it up as a rather conventionally structured film. It looks like one of those heist movies, albeit a very high concept one. You have the recruiting process, the planning, the execution, the getaway, all done with a whole bunch of varied characters. Still, I'm not going to miss it. When was the last time a big-budget film actually had an original idea of its own?
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More than ever to look forward to it! thumbup.gif

Not sure if the 3rd trailer is more than 2 minutes, but here's the 2 over minute trailer from this link I can't seem to find in YouTube


http://www.beyondhollywood.com/the-latest-...e-best-one-yet/

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HD Trailer finally released:



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I don't understand what's happening in the trailer lol.
I don't even know what the basic theory is.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ May 9 2010, 10:30 AM)
Yeah, I dont think it revealed all that much. It does give us a proper premise though, so you at least know what the movie is about now. Some prefer not knowing anything before blindly going in, but I dont think some basic information wont hurt it. And yes, "Dreams feel real while we're in them. It's only when we wake up we realize that something is actually strange.", is an awesome line, not because it sounds cool, but because, damn, it's so true. I guess that line provides the context in which you see all the weird stuff happening. It's certainly sounds very original and interesting and one movie I will definitely watch.

That said, the new trailer does set it up as a rather conventionally structured film. It looks like one of those heist movies, albeit a very high concept one. You have the recruiting process, the planning, the execution, the getaway, all done with a whole bunch of varied characters. Still, I'm not going to miss it. When was the last time a big-budget film actually had an original idea of its own?
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Good. Quiet a few actor/es frpm the Dark Knight. I guess they're Nolan's favourite huh?
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may be the last act will be show that this is all a dream by bruce wayne and setup the plot for batman 3? laugh.gif

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QUOTE(swks26 @ May 11 2010, 03:04 PM)
I don't understand what's happening in the trailer lol.
I don't even know what the basic theory is.
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Leo: i specialized in a very specific type of security, subconscious security
Cillian: you're talking about dreams?


Leo: We create the world of dream, we then bring the subject into that dream and they fill that with their secrets
Page: And you break in and steal it?
Leo: Well its not strictly speaking legal


that is the basic premise of the movie biggrin.gif


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imdb listed the runtime of this movie is 142 mins

so be prepare for 2hr plus of non stop brainf**k and visual treat eh brows.gif brows.gif

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Anyone knows if the latest trailer is showing on any current movie release in cinema?
Definitely an awesome experience on a bigger screen.

By the way, those who is interested in just listening the music from the trailer:
"Amazingly done by Zack Hemsey"



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As the release date draw closer, the production company also shifted their promo to a higher gear, and as a result, we got ourselves new posters biggrin.gif

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Holy shit. That JGL and Wattanabe posters kick so much ass it's surreal.
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newest viral marketing....more info about dreams...smile.gif
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Warner Bros has released a new featurette for Christopher Nolan’s Inception, giving us a better look at the characters who inhabit the story. The two minute featurette plays less like a behind the scenes interview piece (in fact, there ate no interviews at all), and more like a character-centric movie trailer.


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BUMP

First set of reviews are out. I've yet to see a negative review. Lowest score I've seen is 7/10. Highest score is 10/10. One writer calls Inception a masterpiece with DiCaprio delivering the performance of his career which is high praise considering he's acted in Aviator and Shutter Island.
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QUOTE(Calvin871989 @ Jun 23 2010, 04:22 AM)
Warner Bros has released a new featurette for Christopher Nolan’s Inception, giving us a better look at the characters who inhabit the story. The two minute featurette plays less like a behind the scenes interview piece (in fact, there ate no interviews at all), and more like a character-centric movie trailer.


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1:25, in the car when the water gushes in from behind, scarecrow mask cameo? tongue.gif
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*WARNING, SOME MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS*

Variety: http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117943114...egoryid=31&cs=1
Hollywood Reporter: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/film-r...004102197.story
Empire (5/5): http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/review....asp?FID=136118
IndieWire: http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononholly...iece_with_heart
CHUD (10/10): http://chud.com/articles/articles/24313/1/...TION/Page1.html
Awards Daily: http://www.awardsdaily.com/?p=23795
Cinematical: http://www.cinematical.com/2010/07/05/inception-review/
In Contention (3.5/4): http://incontention.com/?p=26044
Hit Fix: http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12-6-moti...with-equal-ease
Film School Rejects (A+): http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/reviews/r...w-inception.php
Ain't It Cool: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45679
UGO: http://www.ugo.com/movies/inception-review-instareview
JoBlo (10/10): http://www.joblo.com/review-inception
Coming Soon (7/10): http://www.comingsoon.net/news/reviewsnews.php?id=67539
Box Office Magazine (5/5): http://www.boxofficemagazine.com/reviews/t...10-07-inception
The Wrap: http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/...-18979?page=0,0
Batman On Film (A): http://www.batman-on-film.com/on-film_film...ION_7-5-10.html
Can Mag: http://www.canmag.com/nw/15926-inception-review
IGN (5/5): http://movies.ign.com/articles/110/1103912p1.html


some of the first batch of the critics....so far its all positive... shocking.gif[COLOR=red][COLOR=red][SIZE=7]

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IGN are a shit site. I wouldn't read their reviews if anyone paid me too. I like In Contention's review. And one more thing, f*** Variety. f*** them to kingdom come.
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Nice. I think the best thing I've read about it is that there is an emotional core to it. It didn't seem that way from the trailers.

I just finished one of Nolan's films - Insomnia. Great.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 6 2010, 05:16 PM)
Nice. I think the best thing I've read about it is that there is an emotional core to it. It didn't seem that way from the trailers.

I just finished one of Nolan's films - Insomnia. Great.
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Can't wait. Dammit!!
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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Jul 6 2010, 05:17 PM)
Go with The Prestige. I love that movie to bits.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 6 2010, 05:47 PM)
I've seen it. Another great film.
Can't wait for the movie or your Counter Strike to finish downloading? haha. Btw I'm not at my PC. From my signature I can see that my brother is playing TF2 lol.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 6 2010, 05:16 PM)
Nice. I think the best thing I've read about it is that there is an emotional core to it. It didn't seem that way from the trailers.

I just finished one of Nolan's films - Insomnia. Great.
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watch memento, you jaw will be firmly on the floor and your mind blow by the end of the movie, even though the first scene of the movie is the ending notworthy.gif

while the early review of inception is great there is the question of the movie being too complex and too smart for the general cinema goer and may hurt the box office performance of this movie. if this movie do perform well in the box office it might hurt nolan chance to make another original movie with a massive budget, at least before batman 3 come out and his stock rise again.

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 7 2010, 10:59 PM)
watch memento, you jaw will be firmly on the floor and your mind blow by the end of the movie, even though the first scene of the movie is the ending  notworthy.gif

while the early review of inception is great there is the question of the movie being too complex and too smart for the general cinema goer and may hurt the box office performance of this movie. if this movie do perform well in the box office it might hurt nolan chance to make another original movie with a massive budget, at least before batman 3 come out and his stock rise again.
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well the studios should take part of the blame for that ("dumb-ing" down the audiences with crap movies)....but i still hope that this film will be a box office success, then we will have more original films coming out, and not films based on toys, known sources(books, series, anime)...
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Jul 7 2010, 11:44 PM)
well the studios should take part of the blame for that ("dumb-ing" down the audiences with crap movies)....but i still hope that this film will be a box office success, then we will have more original films coming out, and not films based on toys, known sources(books, series, anime)...
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sad but it is the fact that more movie audiences like brainless action and procedural romantic comedy, and original concept are risky to produce than a movie with built in audience, like this week can you see any movie that opened are original?

tv also have the problem with dumbing down audience because it is safe way to get rating, i think that is also one of the reason why geek like lost, BSG so much because it does not dumb down the story line.

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 8 2010, 03:23 AM)
sad but it is the fact that more movie audiences like brainless action and procedural romantic comedy, and original concept are risky to produce than a movie with built in audience, like this week can you see any movie that opened are original?

tv also have the problem with dumbing down audience because it is safe way to get rating, i think that is also one of the reason why geek like lost, BSG so much because it does not dumb down the story line.
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the days of the Matrix, Blade Runner, Fight Club were over...hopefully this Inception will bring a new breath in original film production

yea true that cinema is the place for us to relax and enjoy, but do audiences really want to sit down and be bombarded by 1-2 hours of mindless action-explosion, and come out of the cinema remembering almost nothing about the film?
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 7 2010, 10:59 PM)
watch memento, you jaw will be firmly on the floor and your mind blow by the end of the movie, even though the first scene of the movie is the ending  notworthy.gif

while the early review of inception is great there is the question of the movie being too complex and too smart for the general cinema goer and may hurt the box office performance of this movie. if this movie do perform well in the box office it might hurt nolan chance to make another original movie with a massive budget, at least before batman 3 come out and his stock rise again.
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Memento really that mind blowing?
Any source where I can watch it?
Kinda hard to DVDs of old movies.
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Memento really that mind blowing?
Any source where I can watch it?
Kinda hard to DVDs of old movies.
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QUOTE(Vengeance_Mad @ Jul 8 2010, 10:56 AM)
Memento really that mind blowing?
Any source where I can watch it?
Kinda hard to DVDs of old movies.
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It's a unique approach to telling a unique story, and for the most part it's great. Only real problem is that the director and editor at times fail to overcome the flow problem inherent in a film where you tell the story by showing the last scene first and moving towards the beginning, so there is a brief disconnect whenever once scene ends and the next scene begins.
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It's a unique approach to telling a unique story, and for the most part it's great. Only real problem is that the director and editor at times fail to overcome the flow problem inherent in a film where you tell the story by showing the last scene first and moving towards the beginning, so there is a brief disconnect whenever once scene ends and the next scene begins.
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I think its on purpose, it was to create a scenario where the audience was like having anterograde amnesia like the main actor while watching this film
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I hope this is going to be as good as The Dark Knight!
Definitely will go to watch this movie! YahoOO!!
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 7 2010, 10:59 PM)
watch memento, you jaw will be firmly on the floor and your mind blow by the end of the movie, even though the first scene of the movie is the ending  notworthy.gif

while the early review of inception is great there is the question of the movie being too complex and too smart for the general cinema goer and may hurt the box office performance of this movie. if this movie do perform well in the box office it might hurt nolan chance to make another original movie with a massive budget, at least before batman 3 come out and his stock rise again.
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waiting for my gf to come back to watch this together next week...
love deep thinking movies like this...
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Chris Nolan. Dark Knight. Can't go wrong.

Inception currently holds 100% on RT! rclxms.gif

This movie has been on my "Must Watch 2010 Movie" list since announcement of the project.




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Leonardo Is Eagerly Waiting For Inception To Release
In spite of acting in the film Leonardo was surprised to see some unexpected twists in Inception.
    Inception an upcoming movie directed by Chris Nolan will soon hit theatres and people are eager to watch it. But the news is that the leading actor himself was impatient to watch this film with an unconventional storyline. It is really surprising to know that along with audience the actor himself is waiting for the film to release soon. This can be a clear indication that film is beautifully made and will attract huge crowds. As per film experts this fantasy flick will be a great hit and has the potentiality to break all the box office records.

    The leading character is played by Leonardo DiCaprio. Leonardo plays character of a thief who has a rare ability. The name of his character is Dom Cobb who is skilled thief and steals secrets from people’s mind in unconscious state. Leonardo loved playing this different role and has given his best performance. Leonardo reveled in one his interviews that he can’t wait for audiences to watch his upcoming film Inception. As per reports of STV the actor commented that he was immersed while watching the finished film because of its unexpected twists. The actor said, “I was in the movie and even when I watched it I didn't know what was happening next.” Actor’s comments are the one of the reasons for people to watch this upcoming sci-fi action thriller

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Said to be Leonardo's best work. Damn, after Shutter Island, I wonder how he'll pull off this one.

And also, JGL! biggrin.gif
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Inception just made its London premiere yesterday..here's some pics of the event

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let hope this movie make so much money that nolan will able to launch any project he like in the future rclxms.gif
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This is one of those movies where I got "chills" on my back of neck.


One of those many movies......
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GSC E-ticketing not listing Inception yet for Thursday show. doh.gif Wanna book already.
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QUOTE(Ninja @ Jul 12 2010, 10:15 PM)
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GSC E-ticketing not listing Inception yet for Thursday show.  doh.gif Wanna book already.
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Inception is listed already, since this morning. Already bought my tickets!
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QUOTE(lycaphim @ Jul 13 2010, 09:20 AM)
Inception is listed already, since this morning. Already bought my tickets!
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will ask my friend with credit card to help me book later
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I will go for INCEPTION too this weekend.
If i m not wrong, this movie is abt 140mins long.
So be prepared for it. Thanks.

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Yeah. Now listed already. thumbup.gif Gonna watch this Thurs.

RT rating is now up to 96% with 23 positive review, and that only one negative. tongue.gif
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Ok i got a question, why the hell is INCEPTION classified as 18? It's rated pg-13 in the US for god's sake!!!!
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Ok i got a question, why the hell is INCEPTION classified as 18? It's rated pg-13 in the US for god's sake!!!!
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QUOTE(Ninja @ Jul 13 2010, 11:15 AM)
GSC e-ticketing listed Inception as PG-13.
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QUOTE(Frankmiller92 @ Jul 13 2010, 11:17 AM)
Cinema online listed the film as 18. There's no way it could ne 18 rite? but who knows, even x-men 2 is rated 18 haha
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How come GSC e-ticketing not listing Inception? Some forumer say its listed. Confused.
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right now e-payment for thursday only.. friday havent i think last time i checked..
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It's PG-13.
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Jul 13 2010, 08:15 PM)
why? this film need to at least get back its budget+promo budget, a 18 or 21 rating will limit the amount of viewers who are able to watch it
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I meant in Malaysia.
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Nope; no sneak preview tonite as far as I know of. Bought 7 tickets for tomorrow's nite show. tongue.gif
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90% at RT. 4 negative reviews. apa da.
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some people already talking about this movie possible to win oscar for best picture and best director.
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Negative reviews are trickling in now. After the first rounds of reviews saying the film has an emotional core worth caring for, the new ones seem to say exactly the opposite! I must say I have some slight trepidation for this now.
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I was also reading that some people don't understand whats the story is about. I guess it'll be a debate between logic and science.
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maybe the movie is to deep on cognative mind thingy shit . i hope it will be a good movie
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this is from another forum, they had been tracking the reviews since the embargo had been raised:

http://www.nolanfans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1844

121 positives, 11 mixed/negatives
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Here's a thought to ponder:

If Nolan didn't do the Batman Series, do you think that Inception would get the hype it has now?
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Here's a thought to ponder:

If Nolan didn't do the Batman Series, do you think that Inception would get the hype it has now?
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Is this some sorta mindf**k movie?
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From the review, it is a mind blowing movie.
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So, maybe more appropriate to call mind orgasm instead? tongue.gif
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Nobody manage to catch the free movie?  hmm.gif
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The line was all the way to Carl's Jr and that's saying quite a bit if you've been to Mid Valley.

As for the movie, I don't know how to tell anything about it without spoiling the film.

To anyone who's unprepared, do watch closely for the 'layers' of dreams and the ending (describes how I felt about the ending but if you click on it, you may expect what to expect already so depends on if you want to click ->)
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How about telling us if the movie is any good.
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Just watched it, and I must say, I was a bit underwhelmed. The first hour, where they introduced the dream world and the rules that govern it, is marvelous. It's only midway through the heist when things get really complex and you (well I anyway) struggled to keep up. I was trying to train my thought on one thing and the film just waltzes past and throws me another Thing That I have To Wrap My Brain Around. To be honest, I think it gets too complicated for its own good at times. Too much on-the-fly thinking does suck away the enjoyment, you know. And there is an emotional centre to it, but again, the reason it doesn't quite work out is because, at least partially, you can't feel the emotions when you're wrecking your brain thinking. In the end, I still have some big questions that need answering. It's either that or they're large plotholes. Probably the former. So I'll watch it again in a few days, and I won't really judge it before I do.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 15 2010, 02:46 PM)
Just watched it, and I must say, I was a bit underwhelmed. The first hour, where they introduced the dream world and the rules that govern it, is marvelous. It's only midway through the heist when things get really complex and you (well I anyway) struggled to keep up. I was trying to train my thought on one thing and the film just waltzes past and throws me another Thing That I have To Wrap My Brain Around. To be honest, I think it gets too complicated for its own good at times. Too much on-the-fly thinking does suck away the enjoyment, you know. And there is an emotional centre to it, but again, the reason it doesn't quite work out is because, at least partially, you can't feel the emotions when you're wrecking your brain thinking. In the end, I still have some big questions that need answering. It's either that or they're large plotholes. Probably the former. So I'll watch it again in a few days, and I won't really judge it before I do.
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Sounds like the kind of movie where the frequency of watching it correlates with the amount of the plot you'll be unearthing. hmm.gif
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Well, there are a few things that I want to confirm tonight but I thought it was easy enough to follow for me. The characters always explained what they were doing before they did.
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One of those movies that you need to see more than once to fully grasp all the details. laugh.gif

Will not leave my brain at the door when watching this tonite. tongue.gif
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One of those movies that you need to see more than once to fully grasp all the details. laugh.gif

Will not leave my brain at the door when watching this tonite. tongue.gif
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Thing is it doesn't just require concentration but memory is equally important to dwell into the DREAMS^4. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(talexeh @ Jul 15 2010, 02:54 PM)
Sounds like the kind of movie where the frequency of watching it correlates with the amount of the plot you'll be unearthing. hmm.gif
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Yeah this might be true. A few viewings should ably tell if this is indeed an ingenious sci-fi film or one that was just too wrapped up in its intricate plotting.

QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jul 15 2010, 03:00 PM)
Well, there are a few things that I want to confirm tonight but I thought it was easy enough to follow for me. The characters always explained what they were doing before they did.
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I had a few questions during the film. I should have written them down lol because right now I can';t remember what those questions are.

There's one here:
Scratch that, I've figured it out. blush.gif

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How did you figure it out? biggrin.gif

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There's one here:
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i've only got 1 question.. is it still a dream in the end ??? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jul 15 2010, 03:28 PM)
How did you figure it out? biggrin.gif
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I dunno, I just thought about it when I was going down to get some snacks and it just came to me. blush.gif that I didn't get that first time. laugh.gif

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LOL. Self enlightenment eh? rclxms.gif
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I think I was struggling just to keep up with the movie during the first half
it gets more awesome after that, I think I lost my balance a little when exiting the cinema LOL,that scene with Gordon Levitt going up and down then floating around can result in vertigo
The ending definitely reminds me of total recall

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Definitely a movie which needs your thinking cap switched on as you enter the cinema. Lots of unanswered questions on my mind after the movie, looking through discussion forums now to find my answers and also watching it again.

By the way for those who don't know yet, there is a prologue comic available online. A good read before you watch the movie. You can find it at:
Inception: The Cobol Job Prologue Comic

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Based on the comic, I get what the theory is about. But I need pieces to understand about being Point man and the Architect.
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I just got back from watching Inception. Mind-blowing, abso-F-ing-lutely awesome, Chris Nolan at his best.

Mind you, I had no idea what the movie was about, and as always went into the cinema with zero expectations.

I left the cinema, however, feeling totally F-ed, disturbed and disoriented.
Honestly yeah. As long as you pay 100% attention to the movie and the storyline, you will not be disappointed.
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My review of this movie.

As I watch The Prestige before I went to this movie. I hope I was going to be blasted by another of his creations. But still, his style is easily to be predicted.

Nolan's work has been non linear storytelling. And thus the mid part where it all began for the opening scene. Then 'flashbacks' to the whole story process. And to the final ending.

This is a sci fi film that still cannot top Matrix with action etc... But this is a good thriller movie that gets to it's point. Quite differently for people who tries to understand in the ending. Be more gentle, see the things that are 'obvious' in the movie. Don't go cracking your head and buying the Bluray disc to watch it 10 times in a row. It's easy, it's simple... it's there...

I think I know what the whole story's point.

If any movie goers loved The Prestige, you'd love this one too... but a bit too much science involved.

What you should know is, (click if you want to have more understanding of the concept)

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SPOILER SUMMARY (You click it, you know it... Veerryy the loooonnnggg)

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This movie is better than Prince of Persia, even better than The Dark Knight! I can say... worth it to watch. I watched at Leisure Mall for RM7 today at 12pm. Is it movie day today?

The movie is about Inception.

(If you want to know the meaning of the ending, click this...)
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I just came back from Inception too. SUPERBLY L33TOMGWTFBBQ'ly AWESOME!

Best movie I've ever watched this year.

Well I kindda pity the one who does the scenes connecting, he must have blown his or her own brain trying best to put the layers of dreams in a way that it kept my adrenaline on throughout the movie.

Well done Christopher Nolan!
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I think the film is too obsessed with plot dynamics and details, and moves at too fast a pace, it's crammed too full with cold mechanics and leaves no space for reflection and emotions. I'm afraid to say even by now only the first hour of the film really sticks in my mind, together with a few notable scenes in the second half. The plot is impeccable plotted, in a cold sense. It's so intricate that I doubt there will be any holes.

Even Nolan fans have to admit he really isn't the best man for shooting action scenes. Face it, the shootout on the snowy mountain was quite a drag, wasn't it? Clearly inspired by James Bond, but while watching I couldn't help but notice not just how poor it was, but also how unnecessary it was. The shifting-gravity sequence though.... that was just friggin awesome (and short sad.gif)!

Not to say I dont recommend it, definitely go watch it, just saying I'm a bit disappointed. Hopefully my second viewing will be much better. Changing my mind after a few viewings isn't uncommon for me.

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I think the fast-paced notions of the movie were very well-intended. You don't even have time to think - there's too much weight on the brain - until after the movie ends. Then as the movie sinks in not unlike having ur plasma screen burn-in slowly - you get that disoriented feeling of surrealism.

This movie is a thinker - anyone looking for hardcore action or special FX might be sorely disappointed - but yeah. if you liked Memento (and got it) then you'll definitely enjoy this one.
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Wow! The hamster wheel scene is really a big hamster wheel like set!!! And Nolan doesn't like overuse of CGI on his works. That scene for me is one of the best scenes that doesn't use CGI.

The best CGI scene would be the one Dom showed Ariadne about the world in the cafe. And the scene with the invisible camera mirror effect! Wuuuuu!!!! Nice
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 15 2010, 06:55 PM)
I think the film is too obsessed with plot dynamics and details, and moves at too fast a pace, it's crammed too full with cold mechanics and leaves no space for reflection and emotions. I'm afraid to say even by now only the first hour of the film really sticks in my mind, together with a few notable scenes in the second half. The plot is impeccable plotted, in a cold sense. It's so intricate that I doubt there will be any holes.

Even Nolan fans have to admit he really isn't the best man for shooting action scenes. Face it, the shootout on the snowy mountain was quite a drag, wasn't it? Clearly inspired by James Bond, but while watching I couldn't help but notice not just how poor it was, but also how unnecessary it was. The shifting-gravity sequence though.... that was just friggin awesome (and short sad.gif)!

Not to say I dont recommend it, definitely go watch it, just saying I'm a bit disappointed. Hopefully my second viewing will be much better. Changing my mind after a few viewings isn't uncommon for me.
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I disagree. I like Nolan's clumsy action scenes. It makes it look more organic to me. But yes, I do agree the zero gravity sequence could have been one long stretch rather than having it intersect with third layer and forth layer. Joseph Gordon Levitt's physical acting sold it for me.

And I have to say, I didn't feel the movie was too fast or anything. If you missed something or got confused, then obviously you need catching up to do and do your revision (re-watch tongue.gif) but there have been many people who got it the first time.

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I don't think that is true.
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But of course, I'll need another two screenings to digest everything as well tongue.gif But that's my interpretation after the first screening.
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jul 15 2010, 10:16 PM)
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I disagree. I like Nolan's clumsy action scenes. It makes it look more organic to me. But yes, I do agree the zero gravity sequence could have been one long stretch rather than having it intersect with third layer and forth layer. Joseph Gordon Levitt's physical acting sold it for me.

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 15 2010, 10:37 PM)
Organic? Well the gravity-shifting scene was fluid. Looked really good. But that whole scene on top of the mountains? No. Perhaps he's better at doing conceptual action scenes, but he does so very suck at conventional shootouts. tongue.gif

Btw, I like your ending.
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What was wrong with the action scene at the mountain? Admittedly, I got frustrated with the wave of enemies which made it feel like Uncharted 2 (a PS3 video game if you're not familiar) but I didn't feel like it spoilt the film.

Interestingly, thanks to a link from mgsrulz, I found out that the music from the trailer was from Uncharted 1. If Nolan could direct an Uncharted film.... drool.gif

What is your ending btw? I thought you'd like this since I thought this and Shutter Island had quite a lot in common regarding what is real and not but obviously, I was wrong. laugh.gif
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Just watched the film. Very cerebral indeed. I was sitting beside a couple who had puzzled looks on their faces when the credits started rolling haha. I needed to digest a mind stimulating film after watching Predators which was dreadful.

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Good movie. I don't believe why some might be bothered it's too high concept. it's really fairly easy, done in Nolan's way. don't worry, It's not too complex smile.gif

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damn! i need to watch this again. damn farking good movie. easily takes the cake for best movie of the year and my top 10 fav movies.
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Good movie. I don't believe why some might be bothered it's too high concept. it's really fairly easy, done in Nolan's way. don't worry, It's not too complex smile.gif

Go ahead, it's worth the ticket. ( here me planting the the idea ) tongue.gif
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damn! i need to watch this again. damn farking good movie. easily takes the cake for best movie of the year and my top 10 fav movies.
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They didn't get (insert phrase here).

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The god speaks in the form of JGL.

Seems from what the cast member speaks of Nolan, he seems like the second Hitchcock. The stories they tell about him and the jokes. D:

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damn! i need to watch this again. damn farking good movie. easily takes the cake for best movie of the year and my top 10 fav movies.
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No need to watch so many times. It is a good movie. Best of all those crap sh*ts like The Last Airbender...

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I am not sure what you mean but if you mean by unhooking, you wake up, then I strongly believe that isn't the case.
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mindf**k, mindblowing and incredible.

this show is intense.

click for those who watch the movie ( About ending)
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And omg, this show reminds me of me trying to learn lucid dreaming. lucid dreaming is a process where i am aware of my dream and i control it.
its like, i was going reality check reality check everyday, and finally i went lucid twice, but then i gave up, too much work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream

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omg, the best scene is
THE KISS

I mean, hahahahahhahahahaa
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I am not sure what you mean but if you mean by unhooking, you wake up, then I strongly believe that isn't the case.
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omg, the best scene is
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I mean, hahahahahhahahahaa
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Yeah... it deserves a few cute scenes... The girl is too naive in someways... Hahhahaa...

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Sorry... used wrong term.

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Yeah... it deserves a few cute scenes... The girl is too naive in someways... Hahhahaa...
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EDIT: Richard Roeper called it one of the best films of the 21st century. But he gave Eclipse A- laugh.gif

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Sorry... used wrong term.

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Yeah... it deserves a few cute scenes... The girl is too naive in someways... Hahhahaa...
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i agree, waaaayyy to naive haha.

I dont get the scene where she is in the dream and pulls the two glass doors and reflects .
what was taht far??
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The briefcase?

It's for them to share dreams. Hence why when
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But still, loophole i guess..
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So according to you, why or how did they wake up? Sorry but I have no idea what you're trying to say. Perhaps if you could give your own interpretation on the ending?

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Back from INCEPTION - I guess all the reviews are true; this is one of those movies makes you brain work for every minute. tongue.gif It's like me playing with jigsaw puzzles and trying to put together all the pieces to get the whole picture. But I love it. Truly engaging and exciting. thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(Itori @ Jul 16 2010, 01:21 AM)
How should I say this...

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But still, loophole i guess..
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This film deserved a special 6.5/10 rating from me....
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Michel Gondry and Nolan should be gay partners....
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nolan had outdone himself, im pretty sure no other movies can be better than this for 2010.

the introduction attracted me to anticipate whats gonna happen next. sth other movies cant.

10/10 movie, definitely worth watching 2nd times, which i will be doin again
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Absolutely brilliant, this is by far the best work of Nolan.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 15 2010, 03:46 PM)
Just watched it, and I must say, I was a bit underwhelmed. The first hour, where they introduced the dream world and the rules that govern it, is marvelous. It's only midway through the heist when things get really complex and you (well I anyway) struggled to keep up. I was trying to train my thought on one thing and the film just waltzes past and throws me another Thing That I have To Wrap My Brain Around. To be honest, I think it gets too complicated for its own good at times. Too much on-the-fly thinking does suck away the enjoyment, you know. And there is an emotional centre to it, but again, the reason it doesn't quite work out is because, at least partially, you can't feel the emotions when you're wrecking your brain thinking. In the end, I still have some big questions that need answering. It's either that or they're large plotholes. Probably the former. So I'll watch it again in a few days, and I won't really judge it before I do.
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there were 1 or 2 amongst us too felt a little underwhelmed. though i dont look it as a negative to the movie but i suppose the anticipation wheel ran a little faster in them.

scot thru the movie in your mind again & my guess your review 'underwhelmed' might climb a few notch up again.

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So according to you, why or how did they wake up? Sorry but I have no idea what you're trying to say. Perhaps if you could give your own interpretation on the ending?

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Pretty much like his tricks. Leave to interpretation. Don't you think this movie has one bigger trick up nolan's sleeve?

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Wow... so much discussion here... makes me want to watch now but I have to wait until its free list... cry.gif
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Very Very Nice movie... the Idea is just great~!
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Is this a loose remake of the cult following 1984 flick called Dreamscape starring Dennis Quaid?
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Is this a loose remake of the cult following 1984 flick called Dreamscape starring Dennis Quaid?
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Lucid Dreaming, now controllable through technology.

If its not creepy, I don't know what is. tongue.gif
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Lucid Dreaming, now controllable through technology.

If its not creepy, I don't know what is. tongue.gif
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You never experience it before? And remembering it? I do.

I remember I was on my way to school. My brother sent me to school and he took a different route. The sky is purple in the morning, it illuminated the tree leaves purple too...

Then I snapped in the dream. It wasn't real... I asked my brother to stop the car. We went out of the car. My brother just leaned on the car while I was shouting to myself 'Wake up!!!'

I remember that dream as clear as possible.
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You never experience it before? And remembering it? I do.

I remember I was on my way to school. My brother sent me to school and he took a different route. The sky is purple in the morning, it illuminated the tree leaves purple too...

Then I snapped in the dream. It wasn't real... I asked my brother to stop the car. We went out of the car. My brother just leaned on the car while I was shouting to myself 'Wake up!!!'

I remember that dream as clear as possible.
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Hmmm... sometimes I do not remember my dreams... except some... but usually when I have long ones, I can't remember much details...

But I always have some deja vu's... and it was pretty freaky... sweat.gif
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Yeah, lucid dream is nice. nod.gif Experienced it I think more than 10 times; usually when I'm tired or stress. The dream is so real; and you can control what happen in that dream. What I normally did was flying around like Superman; just like Neo in The Matrix. tongue.gif
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I had a few. Twice if not mistaken.

Fully aware it was a dream, i took control of somethings that would bend reality (flying around. My dreamscape was apartments surrounding me. I guess it shows i feel puny in reality).

2nd I can't really pinpoint it. Was interested with out of body experience, but that's another subject altogether. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Jul 16 2010, 11:04 AM)
I had a few. Twice if not mistaken.

Fully aware it was a dream, i took control of somethings that would bend reality (flying around. My dreamscape was apartments surrounding me. I guess it shows i feel puny in reality).

2nd I can't really pinpoint it. Was interested with out of body experience, but that's another subject altogether. tongue.gif
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Easy is correct, but I always notice there's a time limitation. I hate free falling where I know I'd wake up if the speed is just too fast.

I'd wake up with my heart racing. Wonderful how the mind tricks me into really getting me to believe I was free falling. tongue.gif
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Easy is correct, but I always notice there's a time limitation. I hate free falling where I know I'd wake up if the speed is just too fast.

I'd wake up with my heart racing. Wonderful how the mind tricks me into really getting me to believe I was free falling. tongue.gif
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Like I said, its the mind tricking with u. I think i've understood most of the concept that inception tries to imply (something impossible can be possible). And yeah, dreams may well be the perfect motivation for an inception of an idea/ideal.

Lets debate: Dream or Reality? if we were constricted by Nolan's rules, what's your pick?
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I like dreams... Makes us create what we want. Fantasy always makes our mind curious. See things differently as if you are looking at your own movie you created yourself.

I have one experience is I was washing dishes late at night (I tend to stay up late during my college years to online), one big glowing moon like thing is just reflecting the light in. My house windows are those blurred ones, I opened the window and saw, all our solar system planets close together! It's just like they are a short journey away!!!

The sun is not that bright, seems weak. I get to see Jupiter, Mars, the Ring of Uranus, the Stars!!!

I've always fascinate myself every night looking at the stars, the Orion is usually just right above me when I look up.

That dream was the most epic I had so far.

I'd pick dream.

Share your dream experiences!
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I like dreams... Makes us create what we want. Fantasy always makes our mind curious. See things differently as if you are looking at your own movie you created yourself.

I have one experience is I was washing dishes late at night (I tend to stay up late during my college years to online), one big glowing moon like thing is just reflecting the light in. My house windows are those blurred ones, I opened the window and saw, all our solar system planets close together! It's just like they are a short journey away!!!

The sun is not that bright, seems weak. I get to see Jupiter, Mars, the Ring of Uranus, the Stars!!!

I've always fascinate myself every night looking at the stars, the Orion is usually just right above me when I look up.

That dream was the most epic I had so far.

I'd pick dream.

Share your dream experiences!
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I had never any control on my dreams... and that is scary.

When I was young, I dreamt that I was in a hall, with two big doors and when it rip open, there was heavy rain and a huge tornado in front of me and behind it were a mountain.

It was kind of a scary experience and I woke up.

Many years later and just beginning of this month I was in Langkawi. I visited Galeria Perdana Museum and I was in this hall - deja vu. And I saw the two big doors - same design. That day... it was raining heavy. I kept staring at the doors and I just walk pass by...

Of course... there was no tornado but the heavy rain and wind and that deja vu feeling... that's scary. It felt real when I dreamed it... and it still is.

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Were u behaving that the dream was being real or u were aware that it was a dream?
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QUOTE(hairyLGS @ Jul 16 2010, 11:32 AM)
I had never any control on my dreams... and that is scary.

When I was young, I dreamt that I was in a hall, with two big doors and when it rip open, there was heavy rain and a huge tornado in front of me and behind it were a mountain.

It was kind of a scary experience and I woke up.

Many years later and just beginning of this month I was in Langkawi. I visited Galeria Perdana Museum and I was in this hall - deja vu. And I saw the two big doors - same design. That day... it was raining heavy. I kept staring at the doors and I just walk pass by...

Of course... there was no tornado but the heavy rain and wind and that deja vu feeling... that's scary. It felt real when I dreamed it... and it still is.

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damn! i need to watch this again. damn farking good movie. easily takes the cake for best movie of the year and my top 10 fav movies.
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Ahh yes thanks for reminding me, that was one of the questions I had in mind while watching. How does one get back to reality from a limbo state? In fact, can someone tell me the whole story about Cobb and Mal? They were experimenting with dream states, took a high dosage of sedatives, lived a long time in their dream world, decided it was enough, killed themselves by being run over by a train, wound up in limbo, got old there, and then somehow getting back to reality? So how did they get back to reality? I'm not sure if I got their story correctly. Shit I cant remember anymore lol.

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And how did he do that? By showing him the totem? Cobb looked confused in that scene.

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I doubt that, perhaps they just didn't show how they got out from limbo... or I just missed something.

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Many people also expereince dejavu dreams too. Even the slightest head turn will tell you seen it before. I like this feeling.
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And how did he do that? By showing him the totem? Cobb looked confused in that scene.
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will watch the movie when my friend returns back from his hometown. beside all the comments on the movie, what about the soundtrack ? any nice track in the movie like the dark knight ? hope it will be another one of those Hans Zimmer masterpiece scores
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Yeah, lucid dream is nice.  nod.gif Experienced it I think more than 10 times; usually when I'm tired or stress. The dream is so real; and you can control what happen in that dream. What I normally did was flying around like Superman; just like Neo in The Matrix. tongue.gif
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That one damn biased weyh! tongue.gif
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Its like the debate of which is the best John Woo film (between Bullet In The Head, Hard-Boiled, The Killer & A Better Tomorrow)

Well, which is better or not... it is our own opinions that will say which is the best and can never be topple by what is truly the best...
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Eh? Why the lack of one eh? I tot his review was all praises.
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Eh? Why the lack of one eh? I tot his review was all praises.
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I just watched it again and I must say I didn't feel like I missed much the first time around. My interpretation of the ending is pretty much the same.
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I just watched it again and I must say I didn't feel like I missed much the first time around. My interpretation of the ending is pretty much the same.
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Overall a Superb movie. Very mind boggling.
A little dissapointed that everyone else's totem was not given much attention and detail other than Cobb's.
Not sure if I'll watch it the 2nd time tho...
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Overall a Superb movie. Very mind boggling.
A little dissapointed that everyone else's totem was not given much attention and detail other than Cobb's.
Not sure if I'll watch it the 2nd time tho...
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Just came back watching this. Needless to say, everyone was left scratching their heads but in a good way. Love it to bits. It totally sex up the mind lol. Reminded me of another alternate reality film called Existenze which is also mind boggling. Everyone had their own interpretations of the film but i was left thinking if its probable that ...

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Just came back watching this. Needless to say, everyone was left scratching their heads but in a good way. Love it to bits. It totally sex up the mind lol. Reminded me of another alternate reality film called Existenze which is also mind boggling. Everyone had their own interpretations of the film but i was left thinking if its probable that ...

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There is one interpretation where Mal was the one right all along. biggrin.gif
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My mind is still boggling lol. What would she be right about Kobe ? As in she was still alive and was the one dreaming about all that took place in the film ? That would be too f***ed up lol.
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Back from 2nd-viewing. tongue.gif Much better this time since brain-puzzling is out of the way, I can concentrate more on character development and music score from Hans Zimmer. This time more emotionally attached towards the characters. And definitely love the music score. biggrin.gif

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Back from 2nd-viewing. tongue.gif Much better this time since brain-puzzling is out of the way, I can concentrate more on character development and music score from Hans Zimmer. This time more emotionally attached towards the characters. And definitely love the music score. biggrin.gif

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I think sedatives are used in every instance of extraction, only the dosage varies. You wont get kicked out by death when a high dosage of sedatives is involved. You go into limbo.

Also, I dont think showing them as old people was only a visual effect. If memory serves me right Cobb did say there was a shock when they found themselves looking young again.

Anyway, I'm getting more confused the more I think of it. Near the end, when Saito dies and goes into limbo, Cobb and Adriadne connects the device to him and goes into his limbo, right (tell me if I'm wrong, can't remember well)? How come Saito's limbo is filled with the remnants of Cobb's city he built when he was stuck in his and Mal's own limbo?

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I think sedatives are used in every instance of extraction, only the dosage varies. You wont get kicked out by death when a high dosage of sedatives is involved. You go into limbo.

Also, I dont think showing them as old people was only a visual effect. If memory serves me right Cobb did say there was a shock when they found themselves looking young again.

Anyway, I'm getting more confused the more I think of it. Near the end, when Saito dies and goes into limbo, Cobb and Adriadne connects the device to him and goes into his limbo, right (tell me if I'm wrong, can't remember well)? How come Saito's limbo is filled with the remnants of Cobb's city he built when he was stuck in his and Mal's own limbo?

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i don't think so...sedatives are only for the "dream within dream" heist because it gets exponentially unstable when you go deeper

i think limbo is filled with remnants of a person's memory, so it explained why it has Cobb's city, and at the same time Saito's own palace

who is telling the story where the young Cobb and Mal was lying on the railroad? was is Mal who told the story?
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who is telling the story where the young Cobb and Mal was lying on the railroad? was is Mal who told the story?
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jz watched it...
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jz watched it...
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Jul 16 2010, 10:35 PM)
i don't think so...sedatives are only for the "dream within dream" heist because it gets exponentially unstable when you go deeper

I'm pretty sure there's sedatives regardless. That's how they slip onto sleep that easily. This is a minor detail anyway, not really worth discussing.

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Yeah, that crossed my mind. But I would like to know for sure, how all of this works. Things like this isn't supposed to be ambiguous. Things like this really bugged the hell out of my head during the movie. And it's all this thinking that makes the film so cold, as we don't have a chance to invest emotionally. I know there's an emotional centre to it, but trying to feel the emotions in this film is like trying to think how much you love your girlfriend while you're writing a math exam with really hard questions. laugh.gif Hopefully once I've seen this 3 or 4 times, and all the little details have been dealt with and I can disregard the very dense plot, the emotions will surface and I will actually have the chance to ponder about its themes.


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Well, I would say cobb has Failed his mission. Correct mr if I'm wrong

1. Cobb was drowned, at the first level of dreamland.
2. Cobb 's daughter, was age of 11. Ending kids doesn't look like 11 hrs old. So, that's the limbo/dream that cob ever wanted for.
3. Saito and Cobb shouldn't meet up, coz saito was never connected to the level 4 dreamland of fisher.
4. Saito's dead at the 2nd level.. Means it will takes longer time to wake up to his first level, more to his real life inside the airplane.

But .......my question :
Only cob and saito woke up when the flight is about to reach LA. Means others has woke up, but both of them took more than hours in reality, few years back inside the final limbo to actually wake up?

Why saito look far older than Cobb? He's dead in 3 level of dream, how could Cobb from level 4 found him?

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I'm pretty sure there's sedatives regardless. That's how they slip onto sleep that easily. This is a minor detail anyway, not really worth discussing.
Yeah, that crossed my mind. But I would like to know for sure, how all of this works. Things like this isn't supposed to be ambiguous. Things like this really bugged the hell out of my head during the movie. And it's all this thinking that makes the film so cold, as we don't have a chance to invest emotionally. I know there's an emotional centre to it, but trying to feel the emotions in this film is like trying to think how much you love your girlfriend while you're writing a math exam with really hard questions. laugh.gif Hopefully once I've seen this 3 or 4 times, and all the little details have been dealt with and I can disregard the very dense plot, the emotions will surface and I will actually have the chance to ponder about its themes.
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there was an emotional core, although i did not feel it that much either(due to the overwhelming concept of dreaming)....

yea, limbo was not very well explained (or just me who didn't pay enough attention tongue.gif )....
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Well, I would say cobb has Failed his mission. Correct mr if I'm wrong

1. Cobb was drowned, at the first level of dreamland.
2. Cobb 's daughter, was age of 11. Ending kids doesn't look like 11 hrs old. So, that's the limbo/dream that cob ever wanted for.
3. Saito and Cobb shouldn't meet up, coz saito was never connected to the level 4 dreamland of fisher.
4. Saito's dead at the 2nd level.. Means it will takes longer time to wake up to his first level, more to his real life inside the airplane.

But .......my question :
Only cob and saito woke up when the flight is about to reach LA. Means others has woke up, but both of them took more than hours in reality, few years back inside the final limbo to actually wake up?

Why saito look far older than Cobb? He's dead in 3 level of dream, how could Cobb from level 4 found him?
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Perhaps the limbo state is... shared? It doesn't make sense to me, they could share dreams because they were connected to the same device, but there wasn't an device that, uhm... connected Saito's and Cobb's deaths. Hopefully the answer is in there somewhere.

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there was an emotional core, although i did not feel it that much either(due to the overwhelming concept of dreaming)....

yea, limbo was not very well explained (or just me who didn't pay enough attention tongue.gif )....
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That's how Nolan was able to convince the studio to grant him $200 million- he promised to make it so dense with details that people would simply have no choice but to watch it two, three, four times to fully comprehend it!

Anyway, dying in your dream doesn't wake you up. There was once when I died in my dream, and then I simply floated around watching everyone else, exactly like what happens when you die in online shooters liek Counter Strike and the free cam kicks in. That was a nice dream. I no-clipped everywhere. laugh.gif

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Perhaps the limbo state is... shared? It doesn't make sense to me, they could share dreams because they were connected to the same device, but there wasn't an device that, uhm... connected Saito's and Cobb's deaths. Hopefully the answer is in there somewhere.
That's how Nolan was able to convince the studio to grant him $200 million- he promised to make it so dense with details that people would simply have no choice but to watch it two, three, four times to fully comprehend it!

Anyway, dying in your dream doesn't wake you up. There was once when I died in my dream, and then I simply floated around watching everyone else, exactly like what happens when you die in online shooters liek Counter Strike and the free cam kicks in. That was a nice dream. I no-clipped everywhere. laugh.gif
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Hmm, if that's how it is, I dont like it. They weren't connected to a device from the preceding level. I prefer the idea that even in a shared dream, each individual dreamer still has the power to be in his/her own higher-level dream.

But then again, the device in any of the levels in the dreams were... not real anyway, simply a fabrication. So perhaps it does make sense, but if they could share higher-level dreams without employing a shared device (like how all of their limbos were shared, even though they weren't connected by any imaginary device from the third dream level, the snow mountains), why bother fabricating the device in the first place?

I;m not sure if I'm making any sense. Sleepy already lol.
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this movie is suppose to make no sense.

i guess so far the conclusion is

if u die in any layer of the dream you go limbo << confirm

since saito and cobb meet in limbo, but saito died earlier in lv 3, while cobb drown later in lv1, Cobb went into limbo later << confirm

Cobb and Saito met in limbo

so limbo become a shared place???

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Just came back from watching it and it was indeed a great film but not so much for the hype it's been getting. Feels like TDK all over again, except with lesser flaws and more mindfcuk. Still digesting the movie as I'm typing and reading pages after pages of comments is not helping either. This feels like a typical Nolan movie with a face paced and unemotional ride. I like how he conjured this whole idea and executed it deftly. That being said, it's still nowhere near a masterpiece personally and definitely not his best.

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Just came back from watching it and it was indeed a great film but not so much for the hype it's been getting. Feels like TDK all over again, except with lesser flaws and more mindfcuk. Still digesting the movie as I'm typing and reading pages after pages of comments is not helping either. This feels like a typical Nolan movie with a face paced and unemotional ride. I like how he conjured this whole idea and executed it deftly. That being said, it's still nowhere near a masterpiece personally and definitely not his best.

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cobb and his wife use death ( train ) to escape limbo
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i guess so.

cobb and his wife use death ( train ) to escape limbo
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I'd like to believe that too. That's how Saito and Cobb escaped in the last layer I guess.

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one interpretion that ppl make is that when the wife jump off the building, she went to reality and cobb stayed in dream land.

i think thats wrong, cause if that is so, why does his totem fall lol.

that would defeat the whole purpose of the movie, or would it?

some of them say the totem is the inception to him by his wife
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Another area I don't really get is when Cobb and Ariadne went into the 4th layer to find Mal and Fischer. If they're both dead, aren't they supposed to be in limbo? And if they're in limbo, how is it possible for Cobb and Ariadne to find them? Anyone care to explain this to me? Plus the location is the world where Cobb and Mal created isn't it, how did Mal and Fischer ended up there? They're only a projection of Cobb?

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Another area I don't really get is when Cobb and Ariadne went into the 4th layer to find Mal and Fischer. If they're both dead, aren't they supposed to be in limbo? And if they're in limbo, how is it possible for Cobb and Ariadne to find them? Anyone care to explain this to me? Plus the location is the world where Cobb and Mal created isn't it, how did Mal and Fischer ended up there? They're only a projection of Cobb?
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Heh that's what I've been wondering- how Fischer's limbo has everything Cobb built in HIS limbo. It could be because they're all connected anyway, from the device on the airplane, but I like the idea that everyone, even inside deep layers of dreams, can have their own individual dreams. But anyway, I think they got into Fischer's limbo by connecting the device to his dead body in the snowy mountains lair and entering into his limbo from there. From my understanding, if you die in a dream heavily sedated, you go into limbo and you will NOT realize it isn't reality down there, so it wont cross you mind to shoot yourself so you can get back up there, as you would already think this is reality. But if you connect the device to someone who has gone into limbo, and go into his limbo, you're well aware it's not reality. That's how Cobb and Adriandne saved Fischer.

It also explains why Cobb looked so confused when he met old Saito. Both of them were in their own limbo and accepted what was in front them as reality. Somehow something (in my opinion, the Cobb's totem, but I'm not sure) reminded Saito that he isn't living in reality, and by reminding Cobb about the promise to allow him to return to the states, Cobb is reminded that he has children waiting for him and this cant be reality as well. They both get out of limbo (dont know how, by killing themselves I suppose) and wake up on the plane.

I need to watch it again, because I think my interpretation is flimsy. And I dont even wanan go into the whole the-end-is-a-dream debate before I get all the details right.
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Heh that's what I've been wondering- how Fischer's limbo has everything Cobb built in HIS limbo. It could be because they're all connected anyway, from the device on the airplane, but I like the idea that everyone, even inside deep layers of dreams, can have their own individual dreams. But anyway, I think they got into Fischer's limbo by connecting the device to his dead body in the snowy mountains lair and entering into his limbo from there. From my understanding, if you die in a dream heavily sedated, you go into limbo and you will NOT realize it isn't reality down there, so it wont cross you mind to shoot yourself so you can get back up there, as you would already think this is reality. But if you connect the device to someone who has gone into limbo, and go into his limbo, you're well aware it's not reality. That's how Cobb and Adriandne saved Fischer.

It also explains why Cobb looked so confused when he met old Saito. Both of them were in their own limbo and accepted what was in front them as reality. Somehow something (in my opinion, the Cobb's totem, but I'm not sure) reminded Saito that he isn't living in reality, and by reminding Cobb about the promise to allow him to return to the states, Cobb is reminded that he has children waiting for him and this cant be reality as well. They both get out of limbo (dont know how, by killing themselves I suppose) and wake up on the plane.

I need to watch it again, because I think my interpretation is flimsy. And I dont even wanan go into the whole the-end-is-a-dream debate before I get all the details right.
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Yea, I definitely need to watch it all again to notice how it all actually works.

I'm pretty sure in the last scene the totem is one that reminded Saito about the truth and when they both started to remember the promise, they finally realized that they're in limbo and death would save them. If we accept that Cobb and Saito did died in layer 1 and layer 3 respectively, then Saito would have travelled to another limbo and Cobb is stuck in the ending limbo.

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Another area I don't really get is when Cobb and Ariadne went into the 4th layer to find Mal and Fischer. If they're both dead, aren't they supposed to be in limbo? And if they're in limbo, how is it possible for Cobb and Ariadne to find them? Anyone care to explain this to me? Plus the location is the world where Cobb and Mal created isn't it, how did Mal and Fischer ended up there? They're only a projection of Cobb?
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If one dies in limbo, does he wake up in the preceding dream world or reality? My memory is real fuzzy on this, but Cobb killed Fishcer in Fischer's limbo right? And that made him wake up on the icy mountains dream level, in which he then confronted his father. So dying in limbo should only wake you up one level up, right?
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Another area I don't really get is when Cobb and Ariadne went into the 4th layer to find Mal and Fischer. If they're both dead, aren't they supposed to be in limbo? And if they're in limbo, how is it possible for Cobb and Ariadne to find them? Anyone care to explain this to me? Plus the location is the world where Cobb and Mal created isn't it, how did Mal and Fischer ended up there? They're only a projection of Cobb?
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If one dies in limbo, does he wake up in the preceding dream world or reality?  My memory is real fuzzy on this, but Cobb killed Fishcer in Fischer's limbo right? And that made him wake up on the icy mountains dream level, in which he then confronted his father. So dying in limbo should only wake you up one level up, right?
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OK, so in the end, when both Saito and Cobb decide to leave limbo, they end up, respectively, at the snow mountains lair (now in rubbles) and the van underwater. At this point, if they killed themselves again, what makes them so sure they wouldn't end up in limbo again? How dies it work out? Was the sedation running out? I dont think the movie really explains how to get out of limbo.

How did the other members get out of the dream? By the Kick, right? So a Kick would definitely... kick you out of a dream, while death... will put you in limbo. Am I getting this right? What happens if you give a Kick to someone who is in limbo? Does that wake them up? I suppose not, or the other members would have just done it on the plane to revive Cobb and Saito.

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OK, so in the end, when both Saito and Cobb decide to leave limbo, they end up, respectively, at the snow mountains lair (now in rubbles) and the van underwater. At this point, if they killed themselves again, what makes them so sure they wouldn't end up in limbo again? How dies it work out? Was the sedation running out? I dont think the movie really explains how to get out of limbo.

How did the other members get out of the dream? By the Kick, right? So a Kick would definitely... kick you out of a dream, while death... will put you in limbo. Am I getting this right? What happens if you give a Kick to someone who is in limbo? Does that wake them up? I suppose not, or the other members would have just done it on the plane to revive Cobb and Saito.

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i think both of them were connected in the van (they aren't in the snow mountains), so they will wake up in the plane IF they got out the limbo

depends on the strength of the sedatives being used, if its conventional one, then getting killed in the dream is strong enough to boot you out of the dream and awake, but if the sedatives are too strong (Yusuf's), then getting killed won't wake you, instead you will go into limbo (Yusuf did mentioned his sedatives suppress all senses except the inner ear sense--balance),so they need the big movement of body to upset the sense of balance to wake up
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Perhaps the limbo state is... shared? It doesn't make sense to me, they could share dreams because they were connected to the same device, but there wasn't an device that, uhm... connected Saito's and Cobb's deaths. Hopefully the answer is in there somewhere.
That's how Nolan was able to convince the studio to grant him $200 million- he promised to make it so dense with details that people would simply have no choice but to watch it two, three, four times to fully comprehend it!

Anyway, dying in your dream doesn't wake you up. There was once when I died in my dream, and then I simply floated around watching everyone else, exactly like what happens when you die in online shooters liek Counter Strike and the free cam kicks in. That was a nice dream. I no-clipped everywhere. laugh.gif
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Well, I would say cobb has Failed his mission. Correct mr if I'm wrong

1. Cobb was drowned, at the first level of dreamland.
2. Cobb 's daughter, was age of 11. Ending kids doesn't look like 11 hrs old. So, that's the limbo/dream that cob ever wanted for.
3. Saito and Cobb shouldn't meet up, coz saito was never connected to the level 4 dreamland of fisher.
4. Saito's dead at the 2nd level.. Means it will takes longer time to wake up to his first level, more to his real life inside the airplane.

But .......my question :
Only cob and saito woke up when the flight is about to reach LA. Means others has woke up, but both of them took more than hours in reality, few years back inside the final limbo to actually wake up?

Why saito look far older than Cobb? He's dead in 3 level of dream, how could Cobb from level 4 found him?
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Actually for those who think Saito die in level 3 is mistake. This is because, saito actually die in level 1 cause by gun shot wound. And after that Coob die in level 1 also cause by drowning. So both of them will be in limbo at same level. That explain how Coob can found Saito.

About how saito can be older than Coob, that because saito die first and then followed by Coob (drowned). So in limbo state (with sedative) saito will be far more years than Coob is, as he die a second earlier than Coob in level 1.

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the only thing i can say is this movie packed too much stuffs inside it, you will never get everything in 1 go (in fact, you won't even after several viewings), but most people liked it despite that
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the only thing i can say is this movie packed too much stuffs inside it, you will never get everything in 1 go (in fact, you won't even after several viewings), but most people liked it despite that
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nt hard to understand bt i did focus a lot (gf said i was holding her hand too hard at times lol)
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i kinda get it in my first viewing...
nt hard to understand bt i did focus a lot (gf said i was holding her hand too hard at times lol)
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man this movie is good . its like u watching it for ages . i didn't know that when u dream u can sleep and dream and sleep and dream lulz .. man i wonder what happen to saito and the gang hmmz
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then i would say you have a powerful thinking/mind  biggrin.gif

i kinda think that i got it when i walked out from the cinema, but after that when i start to recall....questions started to pop up....and i ended up awake until 5am rclxub.gif
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i think best nt to think so much...
after all its quite an open ended movie, follow wut u understand n believed in...
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Wow I just watched this movie..super long but it was pretty good and messes with ya mind.

So was just wondering at the end of the movie,was the cobbweb guy in reality or dream?

And I dont understand the part where he meets Saito at the end of the movie.How come it replays the beginning again?

So basically

Level 1 dream : aeroplane

Level 2 : Van

Level 3 : Hotel

Level 4: Snowy area

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Aeroplane was most probably real unless you support the theory that Mal was right all along.

Level 1 - Van
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This movie is really rclxub.gif without the english sub rclxub.gif i guess i have to just wait for the dvd to release only to fully understand it...

so far i think is the best movie for this year...

by the way i like the guy who cheated the girl for a kiss haha~ (forgot his name)
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QUOTE(Mido_Ban @ Jul 17 2010, 07:47 PM)
This movie is really  rclxub.gif  without the english sub  rclxub.gif  i guess i have to just wait for the dvd to release only to fully understand it...

so far i think is the best movie for this year...

by the way i like the guy who cheated the girl for a kiss haha~ (forgot his name)
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I would say dark knight ftw , but inception is pretty close.

Inception feels alot like eternal sunshine of the spotless mind and matrix which questions about reality. I didnt like the part where they always had to do a slow mo shot of the crew in the van falling down the bridge and shifting scenes to the other dreams. Doing once is ok, doing multiple times is very annoying and thats my main gripe with this movie.

I love the gravity shifting part and zero gravity.

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jul 17 2010, 06:56 PM)
Aeroplane was most probably real unless you support the theory that Mal was right all along.

Level 1 - Van
Level 2 - Hotel
Level 3 - Snowy area
Level 4 - Cobb's world
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Yea there are 4 levels. This movie have alot of hidden meaning.

It tells us our brain is like a paradox, we can twist and turn anything and when we planted an idea we can do just anything.
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I think cobb is in dream from the beginning of film. And the whole movie we saw is cobb dreaming.
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Very hard to tell that because at the end of the movie the spinning watever like going to stop spinning then end
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IMO, this movie is amazing. Yes, there some flaws here and there but it still living up to my expectation. I was prepared to be blown away at the end of the movie and usually it didn't happen but this movie got me, damn it. LOL.
Recommended movie for every fan of mind-F'ing-twisting movies.


Added on July 17, 2010, 8:50 pmp/s: and I must confess that I don't fully understand the whole movie especially the ending.

I think we have to do the pool. "How many times we need to watch this movie to fully understand the whole movie" lol

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Yahoo movie's critic reviews grade Inception a B+
IGN give Inception a 5/5.
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QUOTE(crapp0 @ Jul 17 2010, 08:00 PM)
I would say dark knight ftw , but inception is pretty close.

Inception feels alot like eternal sunshine of the spotless mind and matrix which questions about reality. I didnt like the part where they always had to do a slow mo shot of the crew in the van falling down the bridge and shifting scenes to the other dreams. Doing once is ok, doing multiple times is very annoying and thats my main gripe with this movie.

I love the gravity shifting part and zero gravity.
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i think the meaning was to show the different speed of time in each level of dream

yea, they were literally fighting on the wall, ceiling and tumbling here and there...
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The final shot shows his totem, in mid-spin, beginning to wobble. The scene then cuts to black, leaving it up the viewer to decide if it's a dream or reality.


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QUOTE(Wijjog @ Jul 17 2010, 09:05 PM)
The final shot shows his totem, in mid-spin, beginning to wobble. The scene then cuts to black, leaving it up the viewer to decide if it's a dream or reality.
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haha oh yea totem. Yea when the movie ends i was having alot of Q&A with my partner whether is the entire movie just cobb dream or real?
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haha oh yea totem. Yea when the movie ends i was having alot of Q&A with my partner whether is the entire movie just cobb dream or real?
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Maybe Cobb is stuck in between reality and the dream world?

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I saw it this afternoon -- and yeah, as everyone had already mentioned the keyword for this movie since the last 17 pages: ABSOLUTELY MINDF***ED laugh.gif

One thing that I DID anticipated was at the end of the movie (yes, I DID. No lies) biggrin.gif
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I mean like, the WHOLE cinema burst with AWWWW GAWD DAMN IT laugh.gif
Seconds later, EVERYONE clapped! rclxms.gif

YES, everyone in the cinema clapped!
It is the first time I have seen everyone in a Malaysian cinema clapped at the end of the movie!
I clapped all the time (I don't care lol), but to see everyone else do it!
Holy cow! It was amazing! thumbup.gif

QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jul 15 2010, 04:00 PM)
it gets more awesome after that, I think I lost my balance a little when exiting the cinema LOL

I experienced that too laugh.gif
Was slowing walking to the exit of the cinema through those walkways filled with pipelines on the ceiling, it made me think of bits in the movie laugh.gif

QUOTE(BelowAverage @ Jul 16 2010, 01:19 AM)
I dont get the scene where she is in the dream and pulls the two glass doors and reflects .
what was taht far??

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QUOTE(crapp0 @ Jul 17 2010, 08:00 PM)
I would say dark knight ftw , but inception is pretty close.

Inception feels alot like eternal sunshine of the spotless mind and matrix which questions about reality. I didnt like the part where they always had to do a slow mo shot of the crew in the van falling down the bridge and shifting scenes to the other dreams. Doing once is ok, doing multiple times is very annoying and thats my main gripe with this movie.

I love the gravity shifting part and zero gravity.
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The slow mo shot of the van wasnt a stylized option but rather done deliberately to keep track on what was happening across 4 levels. If that scene ended in 3 secs than the audience will have a hard time connecting the sequence of events that was happening across all 4 levels - which was obviously longer than 3 secs. The slow mo also reminds us that time in level one was moving ever so slowly compared to subsequent levels. It also act as a ticking clock that sets the film off to its climax as it signals to the team to quicken their pace. The redirection of scenes between each level was also crucial to show the audience what was happening in each level. Altering the shifting of the scenes would require a totally different plot altogether.
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A good site which tries to explained some of the frequently asked questions. At least it answers some of mine.

Inception Explained: Unraveling The Dream Within The Dream

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Lol Seriosuly an awesome movie! Di Caprio is epic when it comes to this sort of movie genre's....

Absolutely mind f***ed..was still in a blurry state for 10 mins after the movie...definitely gonna go watch it one more time...
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jul 17 2010, 09:18 PM)
The slow mo shot of the van wasnt a stylized option but rather done deliberately to keep track on what was happening across 4 levels. If that scene ended in 3 secs than the audience will have a hard time connecting the sequence of events that was happening across all 4 levels - which was obviously longer than 3 secs. The slow mo also reminds us that time in level one was moving ever so slowly compared to subsequent levels. It also act as a ticking clock that sets the film off to its climax as it signals to the team to quicken their pace. The redirection of scenes between each level was also crucial to show the audience what was happening in each level. Altering the shifting of the scenes would require a totally different plot altogether.
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Yea the slow mo was to keep track all 4 levels because remember when they all wake up all together. Because actually everything is happen at the same time but with the chemist help they able to slow down the time when they are jumping deeper into levels.
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From the website this does make sense whether the totem stop spinning or not

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Seconds later, EVERYONE clapped! rclxms.gif

YES, everyone in the cinema clapped!
It is the first time I have seen everyone in a Malaysian cinema clapped at the end of the movie!
My second time after Avatar laugh.gif
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Just saw it. A very good movie and i absolutely love the soundtrack. It's what made the movie that much better, if you ask me.

QUOTE(cafuheva @ Jul 17 2010, 08:38 PM)
I think cobb is in dream from the beginning of film. And the whole movie we saw is cobb dreaming.
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Don't think so. Remember. At the beginning he used the totem after the first mission.

QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jul 17 2010, 08:42 PM)
Very hard to tell that because at the end of the movie the spinning watever like going to stop spinning then end
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Yeah. It's meant to let the viewers decide if Cobb did manage to get back in the end or not.

QUOTE(firedauz @ Jul 17 2010, 09:16 PM)
I saw it this afternoon -- and yeah, as everyone had already mentioned the keyword for this movie since the last 17 pages: ABSOLUTELY MINDF***ED laugh.gif

One thing that I DID anticipated was at the end of the movie (yes, I DID. No lies) biggrin.gif
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

I mean like, the WHOLE cinema burst with AWWWW GAWD DAMN IT laugh.gif
Seconds later, EVERYONE clapped! rclxms.gif

YES, everyone in the cinema clapped!
It is the first time I have seen everyone in a Malaysian cinema clapped at the end of the movie!
I clapped all the time (I don't care lol), but to see everyone else do it!
Holy cow! It was amazing! thumbup.gif
I experienced that too laugh.gif
Was slowing walking to the exit of the cinema through those walkways filled with pipelines on the ceiling, it made me think of bits in the movie laugh.gif
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I watched it this afternoon too. Where you watch?

It had the same mindf**k feel as The Matrix, I'll give it that.
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I watched last night at 11.50pm movie at GSC . End of the movie nobody claps hand :/
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The filnal:

Coob still in DREAMING, guess what? His kids doesn't ages (the final scene) and wearing exact same clothes as in his dream. Get it?
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Yea i think i agree with that conclusion because the clothes looks the same. The memory looks the same even their height and weight looks the same
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somehow i'm starting to feel Mal was right all along...

remember cobb said he and mal was experimenting a dream within a dream?
so the world that he n her build = lvl 2
then wut is the lvl 1?
the movie could be lvl 1 itself imho...
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I haven't watched this movie yet, but can this be compared to "Shutter Island"?
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jul 17 2010, 10:54 PM)
somehow i'm starting to feel Mal was right all along...

remember cobb said he and mal was experimenting a dream within a dream?
so the world that he n her build = lvl 2
then wut is the lvl 1?
the movie could be lvl 1 itself imho...
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yes that is a possibility....she did get out from the dream after she jumped from the building, and keep on coming back into Cobb's dream and tried to convinced him that he's in a dream
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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jul 17 2010, 10:57 PM)
I haven't watched this movie yet, but can this be compared to "Shutter Island"?
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Question: I know for a fact that I will watch this a second time nod.gif
Just that I'm planning to sit on those golden-class-chair-thingy that they have in cinemas.
Yes, this is my first time wanting to sit on those chairs, any advices? Like the ticket price, whether they have one in KLCC or not for this movie, etc.
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Just read on GSC website: they have those Golden class seats. Worth it?
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Just saw it. A very good movie and i absolutely love the soundtrack. It's what made the movie that much better, if you ask me.
Don't think so. Remember. At the beginning he used the totem after the first mission.
Yeah. It's meant to let the viewers decide if Cobb did manage to get back in the end or not.
I watched it this afternoon too. Where you watch?

It had the same mindf**k feel as The Matrix, I'll give it that.

KLCC, 2:30pm, center-back icon_rolleyes.gif
Finished at 5:00pm -- worth the length, worth my money indeed! rclxm9.gif

QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jul 17 2010, 10:57 PM)
I haven't watched this movie yet, but can this be compared to "Shutter Island"?

This is better than Shutter Island rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jul 17 2010, 10:54 PM)
somehow i'm starting to feel Mal was right all along...

remember cobb said he and mal was experimenting a dream within a dream?
so the world that he n her build = lvl 2
then wut is the lvl 1?
the movie could be lvl 1 itself imho...
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that theory had a doubt, how can Mal can sharing a dream with cobb?
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jul 17 2010, 10:54 PM)
somehow i'm starting to feel Mal was right all along...

remember cobb said he and mal was experimenting a dream within a dream?
so the world that he n her build = lvl 2
then wut is the lvl 1?
the movie could be lvl 1 itself imho...
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itz possible but why didnt she just wake cobb up from the outside if she escaped all 2 levels. I find it pointless to keep on entering cobb's level 1 dream if she could give him a kick from the real world.
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QUOTE(firedauz @ Jul 17 2010, 11:17 PM)
Question: I know for a fact that I will watch this a second time nod.gif
Just that I'm planning to sit on those golden-class-chair-thingy that they have in cinemas.
Yes, this is my first time wanting to sit on those chairs, any advices? Like the ticket price, whether they have one in KLCC or not for this movie, etc.
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Just read on GSC website: they have those Golden class seats. Worth it?
Does TGV have them too?
KLCC, 2:30pm, center-back icon_rolleyes.gif
Finished at 5:00pm -- worth the length, worth my money indeed! rclxm9.gif
This is better than Shutter Island rclxms.gif
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if u wanna watch 2nd time make sure u go for GSC gold class RM50 per ticket or GSC premier at Gardens about RM15- RM18 cant remember

Gsc gold class - very big seats with rest arms, even for u to cross your leg and blanket. Order drinks/food got waiter to serve u. Partner and you on two different chair

Gsc premier - Chair bigger than normal seating more comfortable the rest the same. Couple seat available too.
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*sits back together with christopher nolan and munch away a big box of popcorn while reading the comments in here* laugh.gif

lol, this thread is as crazy as the movie.
god, my turn will soon come, hope i dont get mindf***
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QUOTE(cafuheva @ Jul 17 2010, 11:35 PM)
that theory had a doubt, how can Mal can sharing a dream with cobb?
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In the dream between Mal and Cobb, they already live more than 50 years,as yuri's drug they had tested.. But both of them wouldn't wake up coz they sleep in a condition that no1 around to wake them up, in reality. So they continuesly sleep, in the first level they had wrong design of dream, they design base on real life map (that's Cobb always warn other architecturer DO NOT design the real city picture, coz it will make both them BELIEVE that they are not dreaming, and they won't woke up.)

But, Cobb realize that Mal keep something behind him and Mal won't wanna wake up, so Cobb decide to find out the totem. He and Mal enter the second level of dreaming( that I wouldn't not sure), some how find out the totem, the safety of Mal, then indirectly implan the concept, that they are actually in something not real,

"......follow the train, it will bring to somewhere, somewhere that we both dunno but we would like to go out....."

Mal was believed that the 1 level is reality that is not good, but dreaming is much better that will go there with Cobb by killing themselves by train in the level 1, why she believe Cobb, coz Cobb found her totem, the safety that kept by her.

After they both die, they woke up in the reality. But........
Mal was confused... In reality. She wanted to go the "dreaming" again, coz Cobb indirectly in plan " new thinking" into her wife's mind.( Cobb actually want Mal to kill herself in level 1 dream, lying done and get killed by train.by convience her that kill herself will lead her to "reality" )

So, the guiltiness of Cobb kept project his wife the out his mission, on the other hand to stop him.

And I would say, Cobb has failed his mission. His daughter already aged 11. And his wife, Mal dream land, the totem won't fall.......


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itz possible but why didnt she just wake cobb up from the outside if she escaped all 2 levels. I find it pointless to keep on entering cobb's level 1 dream if she could give him a kick from the real world.
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Yup, Cobb and Mal did experience the stage of dream within the dream, cozCobb wanna find out wats kept in her safety.

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saw it...but i still prefer Dark City than this one...but it's still one cool movie though... smile.gif
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Just watched it!

Reaction: omg...wth! (runs for the door...)

No. I didn't do that. This is amazing. Loved the movie.

The Movie Itself:
It feels like a work of art - - everyone has their own take on an art piece. One viewing will not be enough to fully appreciate the art. Perhaps multiple viewings. This...this is art in the form of a movie. And mind you, not everyone will be into art but at least they will appreciate its form. I did. But my first viewing felt like just a 'run through'. Yes, 2 hours + felt like a run through, a "rough" idea of the art. Much reading and analysis is needed for me.

This movie has a ridiculously detailed plot. Chris Nolan delivered. And he stopped at nothing to get his thoughts in motion. It is as if someone said to him "Make a movie that has a plot so riddled with detail, one viewing is a joke." Chris Nolan did just that.

Forum sites are riddled with intricacies I am yet to be able to phatom... sweat.gif

The questions on my mind at the moment still pretty basic but here goes:

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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 18 2010, 01:05 AM)
Just watched it!

Reaction: omg...wth! (runs for the door...)

No. I didn't do that. This is amazing. Loved the movie.

The Movie Itself:
It feels like a work of art - - everyone has their own take on an art piece. One viewing will not be enough to fully appreciate the art. Perhaps multiple viewings. This...this is art in the form of a movie. And mind you, not everyone will be into art but at least they will appreciate its form. I did. But my first viewing felt like just a 'run through'. Yes, 2 hours + felt like a run through, a "rough" idea of the art. Much reading and analysis is needed for me.

This movie has a ridiculously detailed plot. Chris Nolan delivered. And he stopped at nothing to get his thoughts in motion. It is as if someone said to him "Make a movie that has a plot so riddled with detail, one viewing is a joke." Chris Nolan did just that.
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I wish the plot could be simplified as in laid-out-in-full-understanding order. Read a few pages back about

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I still cannot grasp the complexity but here goes:

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Maybe.

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I believe whole character in the movie from beginning is a part of the cobb dream reflection? And the whole movie we watched is cobb dream??
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I still cannot grasp the complexity but here goes:

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Maybe.
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Nolan nailed it...

He planted the idea in our head...
And we are all coming up with our own ending concept...
That's real Inception... XD

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The movie was just pure AWESOMMMMEEEEEEEEE!!!

I do believe that from the whole beginning to the end, they are all living in a dream.
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QUOTE(firedauz @ Jul 17 2010, 11:17 PM)
Question: I know for a fact that I will watch this a second time nod.gif
Just that I'm planning to sit on those golden-class-chair-thingy that they have in cinemas.
Yes, this is my first time wanting to sit on those chairs, any advices? Like the ticket price, whether they have one in KLCC or not for this movie, etc.
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Just read on GSC website: they have those Golden class seats. Worth it?
Does TGV have them too?
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This is better than Shutter Island rclxms.gif
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i see. I saw it at Cineleisure. Yes, it really would be worth every single cent. thumbup.gif

QUOTE(s3r^ph @ Jul 17 2010, 11:39 PM)
itz possible but why didnt she just wake cobb up from the outside if she escaped all 2 levels. I find it pointless to keep on entering cobb's level 1 dream if she could give him a kick from the real world.
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That's a good point.

QUOTE(tykenny @ Jul 18 2010, 12:04 AM)
In the dream between Mal and Cobb, they already live more than 50 years,as yuri's drug they had tested.. But both of them wouldn't wake up coz they sleep in a condition that no1 around to wake them up, in reality. So they continuesly sleep, in the first level they had wrong design of dream, they design base on real life map (that's Cobb always warn other architecturer DO NOT design the real city picture, coz it will make both them BELIEVE that they are not dreaming, and they won't woke up.)

But, Cobb realize that Mal keep something behind him and Mal won't wanna wake up, so Cobb decide to find out the totem. He and Mal enter the second level of dreaming( that I wouldn't not sure), some how find out the totem, the safety of Mal, then indirectly implan the concept, that they are actually in something not real,

"......follow the train, it will bring to somewhere, somewhere that we both dunno but we would like to go out....."

Mal was believed that the 1 level is reality that is not good, but dreaming is much better that will go there with Cobb by killing themselves by train in the level 1, why she believe Cobb, coz Cobb found her totem, the safety that kept by her.

After they both die, they woke up in the reality. But........ 
Mal was confused... In reality. She wanted to go the "dreaming" again, coz Cobb indirectly in plan " new thinking" into her wife's mind.( Cobb actually want Mal to kill herself in level 1 dream, lying done and get killed by train.by convience her that kill herself will lead her to "reality" )

So, the guiltiness of Cobb kept project his wife the out his mission, on the other hand to stop him.

And I would say, Cobb has failed his mission. His daughter already aged 11. And his wife, Mal dream land, the totem won't fall.......


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Yup, Cobb and Mal did experience the stage of dream within the dream, cozCobb wanna find out wats  kept in her safety.
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I agree about the inception part. Cobb knew that she was in trouble.

So he helped her by trying to tell her that the world they live in is a dream. Dying will take them into the real world.

This idea was the inception that stuck in her mind. In the dream world it was necessary to get her back from dream world into reality. But unfortunately, in the real world, the idea infested her mind and she became obsessed that the real world is fake, and that she needs to die in order to go to the dream world which she thinks is real.

This is why Cobb feels so guilty about Mal dying that she infests his dreams and tries to hurt/foil him. He thinks he is responsible for her death

That's why Cobb keeps saying that ideas are a resilient parasite and how it can stick around infest and grow into all sorts of unimaginable consequences in the human mind.

QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 18 2010, 01:05 AM)
Just watched it!

Reaction: omg...wth! (runs for the door...)

No. I didn't do that. This is amazing. Loved the movie.

The Movie Itself:
It feels like a work of art - - everyone has their own take on an art piece. One viewing will not be enough to fully appreciate the art. Perhaps multiple viewings. This...this is art in the form of a movie. And mind you, not everyone will be into art but at least they will appreciate its form. I did. But my first viewing felt like just a 'run through'. Yes, 2 hours + felt like a run through, a "rough" idea of the art. Much reading and analysis is needed for me.

This movie has a ridiculously detailed plot. Chris Nolan delivered. And he stopped at nothing to get his thoughts in motion. It is as if someone said to him "Make a movie that has a plot so riddled with detail, one viewing is a joke." Chris Nolan did just that.

Forum sites are riddled with intricacies I am yet to be able to phatom...  sweat.gif

The questions on my mind at the moment still pretty basic but here goes:

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Cobb and Mal were like pioneer explorers into the dream world. They got so addicted to the dream world that they went into multiple levels and even limbo. It came to the extent that they lived together for decades in their dreams till they grew old together. During this time, they also started mixing real memories into their dreams. This is where trouble started and the rest, well we saw in the movie.

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I wish the plot could be simplified as in laid-out-in-full-understanding order. Read a few pages back about

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Maybe.
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I'll say this again. I highly doubt Cobb is dreaming because he uses the totem many times in the movie.

The only time there is any doubt is the ending where they don't show if the totem drops or not. Instead, it looks like it is beginning to wobble and drop, but then cuts off.

This was a good ending because it invites the viewers to draw their own conclusions about the ending.

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how come they feel the van is shaking while in hotel room...
but no effect when they r in snow world while their body is free fall in hotel room?


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how come they feel the van is shaking while in hotel room...
but no effect when they r in snow world while their body is free fall in hotel room?
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This is my 1st movie that gives me the impression that I understand the movie but the details are all scattered around and the more you try to put them in order, it messes up with your understanding of the movie but if you let it be as it is, you will feel comfortable knowing that you understand the movie. However, it’s always the details that interest all of us. Nice work there, Christopher Nolan. Truly, this is an inception.

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QUOTE(serenIty123 @ Jul 18 2010, 04:06 AM)
how come they feel the van is shaking while in hotel room...
but no effect when they r in snow world while their body is free fall in hotel room?
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The final shot shows his totem, in mid-spin, beginning to wobble. The scene then cuts to black, leaving it up the viewer to decide if it's a dream or reality.
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ok here is the ending if somebody miss the totem again ..
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ok here is the ending if somebody miss the totem again ..
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Went to see this at 1utama GSC yesterday, stupid reel blew out and there was like a 10 min blackout, then when it was ok, they skipped like a good 5 mins, the whole cinema boo'ed but to no avail. Really ruined everything for me vmad.gif

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QUOTE(Ilianas_Toy @ Jul 18 2010, 09:59 AM)
Went to see this at 1utama GSC yesterday, stupid reel blew out and there was like a 10 min blackout, then when it was ok, they skipped like a good 5 mins, the whole cinema boo'ed but to no avail. Really ruined everything for me vmad.gif

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Went to see this at 1utama GSC yesterday, stupid reel blew out and there was like a 10 min blackout, then when it was ok, they skipped like a good 5 mins, the whole cinema boo'ed but to no avail. Really ruined everything for me vmad.gif

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Caine is also the person that taught Cobb about going into dreams
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jul 17 2010, 11:41 PM)
if u wanna watch 2nd time make sure u go for GSC gold class RM50 per ticket or GSC premier at Gardens about RM15- RM18 cant remember

Gsc gold class - very big seats with rest arms, even for u to cross your leg and  blanket. Order drinks/food got waiter to serve u. Partner and you on two different chair

Gsc premier - Chair bigger than normal seating more comfortable the rest the same. Couple seat available too.

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For everyone else... erm.. how should I say this...

INCEPTION 2

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'Inception' Stars Weigh In On Sequel Potential At Hollywood Premiere
Leonardo DiCaprio, Cillian Murphy, Lucas Haas and Dileep Rao share their thoughts on the movie's last scene.


HOLLYWOOD — "Inception" is shaping up to be the moviegoing event of the summer. The sci-fi thriller written and directed by "The Dark Knight" maestro Christopher Nolan has dazzled critics and whipped expectant audiences into a frenzy before its release on Friday. But one aspect that has sparked heated debate is the particularly dubious last scene. On the red carpet of the film's L.A. premiere, MTV News asked the film's stars to weigh in on that compelling final moment — as well as whether an "Inception 2" is a possibility.

The film's leading man, Leonardo DiCaprio, deftly dodged revealing any particular stance on the issue. "I have my own specific take on that final scene," DiCaprio told MTV News, leaving his opinion out of the public debate, adding instead that he hopes the viewers make up their minds for themselves. "This is an interesting movie, because I really believe people can extract what they want from this film and interpret that in a lot of different ways. I think that's something that doesn't come from the Hollywood studio system very often nowadays. Oftentimes, I get scripts that came to me recycled from other ones. Chris [Nolan] pulled off something pretty ambitious, pretty existential, pretty cerebral and daring with this movie, and I jumped on the opportunity to do it and work with him."

Cillian Murphy wished to remain neutral about the last scene. "Oh, I wouldn't want to give an opinion on that," he said, and of the possibility of a sequel, he added, "I don't have the authority to speak on that."

Lucas Haas proved to be far more forthcoming. "My take? I think it's real," he said, which, despite its seemingly vague wording, is a definitive stance to the debate about that last scene. And is there room for a sequel? "Of course," Haas said. "I think definitely."

Dileep Rao offered further insight, advising viewers to pay attention to the scene in an unusual way. "You know what, I'll just say this: Use your ears not your eyes."

As far as a sequel goes, Rao deferred to Nolan. "That's up to Chris," he said. "If we're talking about dreams, couldn't anything happen?"

Pretty interesting to hear each actor/actress's interpretation of the ending biggrin.gif
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"Use the ears"?
So basically, we gotta listen for the totem to see if it did stopped and drop.
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Ok in the end scene the Totem is about to fall. U know why Nolan cuts to black?

BECAUSE HE WANTS VIEWERS TO EXPERIENCE INCEPTION FIRST HAND.

Just by cutting to the credits he incepted the idea of Cobb still dreaming into the viewers minds!! U know why the more u think the more you fell Cobb is still dreaming? Like the movie said "Idea is resilliant, it's like a parasite
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There's a strong case with Mal being right all along and her death was her escape to reality. A lot of times in the film you see his subconscious creeping in and interfering with his world. And most of the time, he couldnt comprehend what he was seeing. He know it was his projection but he seems puzzled to what it really means. Remember Cobb said the mind has some sort of antibody that tries to end a dream. If we think about it, this kinda make sense. No dream is perfect, we always tend to have some sort of anti climax in our dreams - in one form or another. In the film, this antibody exists persistently through out Cobbs supposedly dream endeavors. His wife is constantly harassing him and tries to kill off the object of his dreams. He is almost always getting hunted down by armed men. The chase even persists in reality where this violent projections are replaced by supposedly real life corporate assassins. Violence seems to follow him every where he goes. Perhaps its because his subconscious is actively trying to tell him to snap out of his dream but he being a master architect of dreams is constantly evading this notion. Creating new plots and possibilities on the fly.

Then theres the totem. We all seem to rely on this object to define the truth at the end of the film. But how reliable is this object ? This was never Cobb's totem to begin with, so he can never be sure of its true properties. Nolan repeatedly show this object to fool us viewers like a magician who is constantly flicking his hands to distract the viewers. Cobbs believes that his totem will behave in certain ways depending on where he is but here's the thing - if you are constantly in a dream, you are constantly forging the totem properties and making it function the way you believe it is supposed to function. In any case, I really feel the totem isnt a reliable tool due to its history.

Having said this, the other alternatives are also possible. Which what makes this film utterly brilliant. You make your story as you pleases.
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should make a poll, whether Cobb

phailed, and still stuck in limbo

or

succeeded and made it out
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Hmm..seems like Cobb never really watch his totem spinning...interesting lol
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very nice movie, i generously give 9/10
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Just came back from watching it again. Having known what to expect, I liked it a lot, but I think it's far from a masterpiece. There are some strikingly original ideas in the film. There are multiple interpretations, all of which provide a good debate. You might say the whole thing was real, from start to end. Or you could say the ending wasn't real. Or, it could be he never really woke up after testing the strong sedatives in Yusof's dream-addict centre (remember, he didn't manag to spin his totem upon "exiting" his dream. Of course, this particular interpretation is the most unsatisfying one). Heck, the whole thing from start to end could all be a dream, and Mal did actually wake up by jumping off the window. It's really good.

That being said, I think this was also a missed opportunity. Having less info to process while watching this time around, I was struck by how a lot of the film was so uninspired visually. We're talking about dreams here, and the only times when we see how imaginative the mind can be, how utterly weird dreams can be, are in the early stages of the film when we see Paris folding onto itself and bridges being erected magically, all of which happen when Cobb is teaching Ariandne about the dream world. When it comes to actual dreams, it can look very pedestrian, shifting gravity notwithstanding. Take the snow mountains for example, was there anything in there, anything at all that didn't look like it was taken from a standard action blockbuster? Anything that says this is a film about dreams where rules are bent? Anything that was even a little bit different? All we get there are endless scenes of Eames arming and planting explosives everywhere while taking down generic henchmen in the most unimaginative of ways. How exciting. This film will never be a masterpiece because of this entire sequence. In fact, the whole action portion was unnecessary, and serves nothing to the story. I can understand why they are included though. One word: padding. This being the third dreem level, time is even slower, and they need to show the characters doing something to fill up the time. As I said, padding. And a woefully realized one at that. The film has great ideas, but some of them are executed in a very plain manner. Ironic, really.

In the end, I think the concept and ideas really make this film. I won't hesitate recommending it, by all means go see it, but a former forummer here (kobe and makekeke will know who I'm talking about biggrin.gif) has repeatedly said, Nolan should stick to writing and producing duties, and leave the directing to someone else. I never really believe that, but this film did make me take that notion more seriously.

P/S: I still find it hard to grasp the concept of limbo. I now think Cobb and Mal, while exploring the dream world together, never actually dropped into limbo, but rather lapsed into it. In fact, Cobb didn't for once think the dream was real. Only Mal was convinced, over a long period of time, that the dream was reality. In essence, she slowly slipped into a limbo state of mind. I don't think they tried killing themselves and thus going into limbo. This begs another question, since heavy sedatives were used, why didn't killing himself on the train tracks send Cobb into limbo? Someone more knowing please answer, or I'm going to start thinking several concepts in the film are simply too ambiguous to be considered anything more than vague concepts.

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This movie really fark up your mind ! somehow the way they set the ending was a bit looks like Stay ending...

After the movie i only knew that Arthur was Tommy in Third rock from the sun, no wonder the face were so familiar in the begining


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just finish watching this movie, it really does live up to expectation, the movie is complex, great performance from a great cast, looking to watching it a second time. icon_rolleyes.gif

hope this movie can be a box office smash hit so nolan can keep making movie with original idea.

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 18 2010, 05:45 PM)
P/S: I still find it hard to grasp the concept of limbo. I now think Cobb and Mal, while exploring the dream world together, never actually dropped into limbo, but rather lapsed into it. In fact, Cobb didn't for once think the dream was real. Only Mal was convinced, over a long period of time, that the dream was reality. In essence, she slowly slipped into a limbo state of mind. I don't think they tried killing themselves and thus going into limbo. This begs another question, since heavy sedatives were used, why didn't killing himself on the train tracks send Cobb into limbo? Someone more knowing please answer, or I'm going to start thinking several concepts in the film are simply too ambiguous to be considered anything more than vague concepts.

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they did not used heavy sedatives when they are digging deep..at least it was not mentioned

limbo i think is a state of mind where you perceive as reality although you're dreaming, and its represent visually as a huge space
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 18 2010, 05:45 PM)
Just came back from watching it again. Having known what to expect, I liked it a lot, but I think it's far from a masterpiece. There are some strikingly original ideas in the film. There are multiple interpretations, all of which provide a good debate. You might say the whole thing was real, from start to end. Or you could say the ending wasn't real. Or, it could be he never really woke up after testing the strong sedatives in Yusof's dream-addict centre (remember, he didn't manag to spin his totem upon "exiting" his dream. Of course, this particular interpretation is the most unsatisfying one). Heck, the whole thing from start to end could all be a dream, and Mal did actually wake up by jumping off the window. It's really good.

That being said, I think this was also a missed opportunity. Having less info to process while watching this time around, I was struck by how a lot of the film was so uninspired visually. We're talking about dreams here, and the only times when we see how imaginative the mind can be, how utterly weird dreams can be, are in the early stages of the film when we see Paris folding onto itself and bridges being erected magically, all of which happen when Cobb is teaching Ariandne about the dream world. When it comes to actual dreams, it can look very pedestrian, shifting gravity notwithstanding. Take the snow mountains for example, was there anything in there, anything at all that didn't look like it was taken from a standard action blockbuster? Anything that says this is a film about dreams where rules are bent? Anything that was even a little bit different? All we get there are endless scenes of Eames arming and planting explosives everywhere while taking down generic henchmen in the most unimaginative of ways. How exciting. This film will never be a masterpiece because of this entire sequence. In fact, the whole action portion was unnecessary, and serves nothing to the story. I can understand why they are included though. One word: padding. This being the third dreem level, time is even slower, and they need to show the characters doing something to fill up the time. As I said, padding. And a woefully realized one at that. The film has great ideas, but some of them are executed in a very plain manner. Ironic, really.

In the end, I think the concept and ideas really make this film. I won't hesitate recommending it, by all means go see it, but a former forummer here (kobe and makekeke will know who I'm talking about biggrin.gif) has repeatedly said, Nolan should stick to writing and producing duties, and leave the directing to someone else. I never really believe that, but this film did make me take that notion more seriously.

P/S: I still find it hard to grasp the concept of limbo. I now think Cobb and Mal, while exploring the dream world together, never actually dropped into limbo, but rather lapsed into it. In fact, Cobb didn't for once think the dream was real. Only Mal was convinced, over a long period of time, that the dream was reality. In essence, she slowly slipped into a limbo state of mind. I don't think they tried killing themselves and thus going into limbo. This begs another question, since heavy sedatives were used, why didn't killing himself on the train tracks send Cobb into limbo? Someone more knowing please answer, or I'm going to start thinking several concepts in the film are simply too ambiguous to be considered anything more than vague concepts.
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I've seen it four times already and I must admit I am beginning to see what you're seeing. For a film which is based on dreams and imagination, a lot of the film is rather unimaginative, especially in the third level. Although the film explicitly explains why the the dream world cannot be altered much, it feels that some of these rules restrict the film rather than help it. The first and second levels had some serious shit with the train and the free-falling sequence though and do make up for it.

However, I still stand by my rating; 10/10.

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movie sucks man.all about dream.people enter into people's dream.dream into dream. damm boring.i wanna go out of the cinema instead.luckily it's only 9.00.wasted 9.00. dark night director always the losers.i hate dark night directors now.they always create boring n don't noe what is all about movie.i give this movie 3/10.1 for action 2 for funny.always talk about 3 layers of dreams.suckssss

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QUOTE(mkei87 @ Jul 18 2010, 06:29 PM)
movie sucks man.all about dream.people enter into people's dream.dream into dream. damm boring.i wanna go out of the cinema instead.luckily it's only 9.00.wasted 9.00. dark night director always the losers.i hate dark night directors now.they always create boring n don't noe what is all about movie.i give this movie 3/10.1 for action 2 for funny.always talk about 3 layers of dreams.suckssss
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QUOTE(mkei87 @ Jul 18 2010, 06:29 PM)
movie sucks man.all about dream.people enter into people's dream.dream into dream. damm boring.i wanna go out of the cinema instead.luckily it's only 9.00.wasted 9.00. dark night director always the losers.i hate dark night directors now.they always create boring n don't noe what is all about movie.i give this movie 3/10.1 for action 2 for funny.always talk about 3 layers of dreams.suckssss
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 18 2010, 06:36 PM)
nolan take $200 millions from the studio and instead of making a sequel or movie base on book/comic/toy he make a original concept movie that are not dumb down, how many other director can do that?
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James Cameron did that and made 2billion USD. How many directors can do that? tongue.gif
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Okay maybe I'm flattering James when I said he didn't 'dumb down' the film but still....
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Not sure why we need to ask Nolan to do it any differently. He's never been a Burton type of director that relies on visual splendors. The film is a thriller heist and the generic settings is required here.
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Not sure why we need to ask Nolan to do it any differently. He's never been a Burton type of director that relies on visual splendors. The film is a thriller heist and the generic settings is required here.
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Then there'd be no need for them to have dreams if everything was going to be generic. Much of the film's action was pretty much a waste of time the forth time I saw it. Like Quickfire said, it's padding. What was the purpose of the armed projections other than to 'provide gunfire'?
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jul 18 2010, 06:45 PM)
Okay maybe I'm flattering James when I said he didn't 'dumb down' the film but still....
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but seriously director like James Cameron and Spielberg have massive clout in hollywood for their track record to making hits ofter hits, nolan is still a new comer to being a hollywood elite, making a movie like inception is really a big risk for his career, if the audience cannot appreaced it he will find it hard to launch new project with this kind of budget after he exist the batman franchise.
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 18 2010, 06:54 PM)
or avatar's plot being something orignal  laugh.gif

but seriously director like James Cameron and Spielberg have massive clout in hollywood for their track record to making hits ofter hits, nolan is still a new comer to being a hollywood elite, making a movie like inception is really a big risk for his career, if the audience cannot appreaced it he will find it hard to launch new project with this kind of budget after he exist the batman franchise.
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Brilliant movie. Feel like watching it again, to be honest.

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 18 2010, 06:36 PM)
nolan take $200 millions from the studio and instead of making a sequel or movie base on book/comic/toy he make a original concept movie that are not dumb down, how many other director can do that?
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The idea is that there are corporate saboteurs who can infiltrate your dream to steal or plant ideas. To accomplish this, you need to create a setting to convince the subjects that they arent dreaming. Creating anything remotely bizarre would jeopardize the entire mission. So altering the world as we know it is not really an option.

The purpose of armed projections was to create a sense of danger and villains i suppose. I do however agree that the snow part is a bit of a letdown. There isnt much going on here other than shoot em up.
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Jul 18 2010, 06:19 PM)
they did not used heavy sedatives when they are digging deep..at least it was not mentioned

limbo i think is a state of mind where you perceive as reality although you're dreaming, and its represent visually as a huge space
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Pretty sure they were heavily sedated, I think it was mentioned. Anyway, didn't they say they were going into multiple levels of dreams? That would necessitate the use of heavy sedatives. And I dont think... you answered my question. tongue.gif

Well if they did explore multiple levels, here's what I think. Many levels into the dream world, time became extremely slow. In the last dream level they dared to venture in, they basically spent 50 years there, aged, Mal went into a limbo state of mind, Cobb kept his sanity, decided it was enough, and killed themselves. Note that this particular suicide was not shown in the film. They then traversed across the preceding levels, killing themselves in each of them so they could go one level up. Cobb kept count of the number of levels they were in. The suicide on the tracks we see in the film happens when they reach the first level, thus explaining why they were still young when they lay on the tracks. They both wake up in the real world, but Mal, infected by Cobb's inception, refuses to believe this is reality, instead believing she will (always) need to go one more level up to reach reality.

Still, this does not answer the question of why Cobb didn't go into limbo while killing himself under sedatives.

QUOTE(mkei87 @ Jul 18 2010, 06:29 PM)
movie sucks man.all about dream.people enter into people's dream.dream into dream. damm boring.i wanna go out of the cinema instead.luckily it's only 9.00.wasted 9.00. dark night director always the losers.i hate dark night directors now.they always create boring n don't noe what is all about movie.i give this movie 3/10.1 for action 2 for funny.always talk about 3 layers of dreams.suckssss
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Good to know I'm not the only one who has something less than positive to say about the film. Although I dont know anything about "dark knight directors".

QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jul 18 2010, 06:49 PM)
Then there'd be no need for them to have dreams if everything was going to be generic. Much of the film's action was pretty much a waste of time the forth time I saw it. Like Quickfire said, it's padding. What was the purpose of the armed projections other than to 'provide gunfire'?
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QUOTE(mkei87 @ Jul 18 2010, 07:07 PM)
i dun care who the hell is nolan is.i can only think that he like to make stupid movie that make people stupid watching dark night n inception n damm boring.criticize is always there
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jul 18 2010, 07:09 PM)
The idea is that there are corporate saboteurs who can infiltrate your dream to steal or plant ideas. To accomplish this, you need to create a setting to convince the subjects that they arent dreaming. Creating anything remotely bizarre would jeopardize the entire mission. So altering the world as we know it is not really an option.

The purpose of armed projections was to create a sense of danger and villains i suppose. I do however agree that the snow part is a bit of a letdown. There isnt much going on here other than shoot em up.
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jul 18 2010, 07:11 PM)
Like I said, the film's own rules may have hindered the film.
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Nolan's ideas are very well executed on the plot level, but on every other level, and especially the visual, I can't say I was very impressed. The best sci-fi films have never been obsessed with plot. 2001: ASO moved so slowly and basically had no coherent plot. Blade Runner and Gattaca, each having created a very distinct and memorable sci-fi world, were never infatuated with the plot, instead relying on characters and a human touch to make them truly great. The thing about plot is that after a while, you feel there is nothing more for you to take from. As a heist film, Inception is high concept and damn good, but I cant help wondering, with such lofty ideas, why settle for something less? The film needs something more to reach true sci-fi greatness.

But I dont want to give people the wrong idea now. Everyone, go watch Inception.

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2. Leo
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4. Tom Hardy
5. Juno
6. Ken Watanabe
7. Marion Cottilard
8. Dileep Rao
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 18 2010, 07:18 PM)
Nolan's ideas are very well executed on the plot level, but on every other level, and especially the visual, I can't say I was very impressed. The best sci-fi films have never been obsessed with plot. 2001: ASO moved so slowly and basically had no coherent plot. Blade Runner and Gattaca, each having created a very distinct and memorable sci-fi world, were never infatuated with the plot, instead relying on characters and a human touch to make them truly great. The thing about plot is that after a while, you feel there is nothing more for you to take from. As a heist film, Inception is high concept and damn good, but I cant help wondering, with such lofty ideas, why settle for something less? The film needs something more to reach true sci-fi greatness.

But I dont want to give people the wrong idea now. Everyone, go watch Inception.
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well its pretty understandable as u would want the subject to think that this is reality and not a dream...
the movie did explained about how the subject can be defensive when he knows he is a dream etc...
so i guess during the mission, they cant really overdo things thus no super flashy stuffs...
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 18 2010, 07:18 PM)
Nolan's ideas are very well executed on the plot level, but on every other level, and especially the visual, I can't say I was very impressed. The best sci-fi films have never been obsessed with plot. 2001: ASO moved so slowly and basically had no coherent plot. Blade Runner and Gattaca, each having created a very distinct and memorable sci-fi world, were never infatuated with the plot, instead relying on characters and a human touch to make them truly great. The thing about plot is that after a while, you feel there is nothing more for you to take from. As a heist film, Inception is high concept and damn good, but I cant help wondering, with such lofty ideas, why settle for something less? The film needs something more to reach true sci-fi greatness.

But I dont want to give people the wrong idea now. Everyone, go watch Inception.
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But this isn't any hard sci fi film. I considered Inception as a noir with a sci fi setting. This is like Lost. There are always mysteries here and there and everyone is dying to know the answers of them but what we really care was the characters.
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QUOTE(mkei87 @ Jul 18 2010, 06:29 PM)
movie sucks man.all about dream.people enter into people's dream.dream into dream. damm boring.i wanna go out of the cinema instead.luckily it's only 9.00.wasted 9.00. dark night director always the losers.i hate dark night directors now.they always create boring n don't noe what is all about movie.i give this movie 3/10.1 for action 2 for funny.always talk about 3 layers of dreams.suckssss
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QUOTE(Vintage @ Jul 18 2010, 07:36 PM)
But this isn't any hard sci fi film. I considered Inception as a noir with a sci fi setting. This is like Lost. There are always mysteries here and there and everyone is dying to know the answers of them but what we really care was the characters.
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QUOTE(Wijjog @ Jul 18 2010, 07:44 PM)
I pity you, just like the girls sitting next to me. Talk all the time in the cinema, then when the movie's about to end all bising "Eh tak paham lah movie ni, eh menyampah lah tengok movie ni, eh this eh that". Go watch something simple like Despicable Me la next time.
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QUOTE(Vintage @ Jul 18 2010, 07:36 PM)
But this isn't any hard sci fi film. I considered Inception as a noir with a sci fi setting. This is like Lost. There are always mysteries here and there and everyone is dying to know the answers of them but what we really care was the characters.
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I've always watch the same movie back to back in the cinema. Inception was no different. But after the first watch, I changed the second ticket to Predators instead, which I've already watched. Personally for me, Inception doesn't worth my second viewing.

I've no complaints about the plot. I mean, I'm all for mind-bending, fantasy-reality mixups, but the rest of the movie left a sour taste in my mouth. Dark Knight was a different note. Nolan nailed it perfectly to balance action with great storyline and great acting. In Inception, the only strong point is in the story, but even with so much details go into the plot, in the end there are too many loose ends left for viewers to wonder.

Honestly, here is the ONE thing I felt very dissapointing....
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Simply put, I can't feel any sympathy or even feel any connections with the characters. Everyone came out heartless/emotionless. And herein lies Nolan' weakness in movie-making. He kinds of lack in putting emotions into his movies. Even in Dark Knight, I can't feel the sadness in Bruce Wayne nor do I feel sad when her woman dies.

For all its worth, I'm looking forward reading the novel and enjoy myself recreating the dream world for myself.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 18 2010, 07:10 PM)
Pretty sure they were heavily sedated, I think it was mentioned. Anyway, didn't they say they were going into multiple levels of dreams? That would necessitate the use of heavy sedatives. And I dont think... you answered my question. tongue.gif

Well if they did explore multiple levels, here's what I think. Many levels into the dream world, time became extremely slow. In the last dream level they dared to venture in, they basically spent 50 years there, aged, Mal went into a limbo state of mind, Cobb kept his sanity, decided it was enough, and killed themselves. Note that this particular suicide was not shown in the film. They then traversed across the preceding levels, killing themselves in each of them so they could go one level up. Cobb kept count of the number of levels they were in. The suicide on the tracks we see in the film happens when they reach the first level, thus explaining why they were still young when they lay on the tracks. They both wake up in the real world, but Mal, infected by Cobb's inception, refuses to believe this is reality, instead believing she will (always) need to go one more level up to reach reality.

Still, this does not answer the question of why Cobb didn't go into limbo while killing himself under sedatives.
Good to know I'm not the only one who has something less than positive to say about the film. Although I dont know anything about "dark knight directors".
Damn, four times already? Two's enough for me, until the DVD/bluray comes out.
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partly was because they went too deep, and partly, was because they started building things using their memories, so much so that they lost track of the sense of reality and dream, which then send them into the state of limbo

yea, i can't answer your last question as well because i am not sure whether they were under heavy sedation or not tongue.gif (or simply, the effect of the drugs wore off, what do you think?)
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Jul 18 2010, 08:20 PM)
I've always watch the same movie back to back in the cinema. Inception was no different. But after the first watch, I changed the second ticket to Predators instead, which I've already watched. Personally for me, Inception doesn't worth my second viewing.

I've no complaints about the plot. I mean, I'm all for mind-bending, fantasy-reality mixups, but the rest of the movie left a sour taste in my mouth. Dark Knight was a different note. Nolan nailed it perfectly to balance action with great storyline and great acting. In Inception, the only strong point is in the story, but even with so much details go into the plot, in the end there are too many loose ends left for viewers to wonder.

Honestly, here is the ONE thing I felt very dissapointing....
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Simply put, I can't feel any sympathy or even feel any connections with the characters. Everyone came out heartless/emotionless. And herein lies Nolan' weakness in movie-making. He kinds of lack in putting emotions into his movies. Even in Dark Knight, I can't feel the sadness in Bruce Wayne nor do I feel sad when her woman dies.

For all its worth, I'm looking forward reading the novel and enjoy myself recreating the dream world for myself.
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because these action scene took up 30% of the whole movie, which totally was unnecessary in the first place and doesn't play up perfectly to the dream state enigma. It'll be more awesome if the architect or even the dreamer can conjure some sort of Matrix type of scene.
"Tank: So what do you need? Besides a miracle."
"Neo: Guns. Lots of guns. ..."

Now that's what I call dream. That stupid snow scene was even worst. How the hell that these elite team, chosen for their own expertise, ends up being just another shoot-em-up macho men?
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QUOTE(Vintage @ Jul 18 2010, 07:36 PM)
But this isn't any hard sci fi film. I considered Inception as a noir with a sci fi setting. This is like Lost. There are always mysteries here and there and everyone is dying to know the answers of them but what we really care was the characters.
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The question remains, why squander a terrific, original idea it on some heist film (albeit a never-before-seen heist film) when it could have achieved a place in sci-fi pantheon. Maybe squander is too strong a word, because the current end result is still a perfectly good movie. Funny you should mention characters, because 80% of the film is completely focused on its plot.

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Yeah I agree but I let that one slide. Plus you gotta ask why is it that the security at the hotel so lax compared to the other levels.


QUOTE(dlct87 @ Jul 18 2010, 08:24 PM)
(or simply, the effect of the drugs wore off, what do you think?)
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Haha yeah I've thought of that... and that would make his escape totally based on luck, which on second thought, isn't too far-fetched actually.

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 18 2010, 09:08 PM)
The question remains, why squander a terrific, original idea it on some heist film (albeit a never-before-seen heist film) when it could have achieved a place in sci-fi pantheon. Maybe squander is too strong a word, because the current end result is still a perfectly good movie. Funny you should mention characters, because 80% of the film is completely focused on its plot.
Yeah I agree but I let that one slide. Plus you gotta ask why is it that the security at the hotel so lax compared to the other levels.
Haha yeah I've thought of that... and that would make his escape totally based on luck, which on second thought, isn't too far-fetched actually.
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or rather he take the safe route:waiting until the effect is off(i don't know whether it needs precise timing, or just anytime after that)

on the security tightness, its said that the deeper the dream, the tighter, and smarter are the security
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Christopher Nolan is not perfect, Movie is not perfect.

Obviously some people like it, and some not. It just like I said Avatar was a boring movie but lot of people said is a great movie. Everyone have their own preference and type of movie.

Inception was another great movie from Christopher Nolan. I get to know Christopher Nolan in the movie The Prestige. It was a great movie that twist and turn, and nice story. Then comes Batman. Batman wasn't a nice movie as it was a bit cartoon before his Batman Begin and Dark Knight.

I like this kind of movie as you need to think and concentrate during the movie. Mystery and guessing around. The idea and story is really good. We don't always see this kind of movie, as I think not many director can do so.

A great movie won't end just after the movie ends. It will be a topic to discuss and you will discuss among your friend to find out more details.

Just go and watch it, then you rate it yourself. If you like The Prestige, this is a must watch movie for you.

I read this website to find out more, not bad..... Check it out
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Jul 18 2010, 09:13 PM)
or rather he take the safe route:waiting until the effect is off(i don't know whether it needs precise timing, or just anytime after that)

on the security tightness, its said that the deeper the dream, the tighter, and smarter are the security
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Cobb said he didn't know the time effect that occurs in dreams within dreams, so it's unlikely he could tell when the time was up. Let's just leave it to luck for now. laugh.gif

Yeah but the security in level 1 was far quicker in response and far more liberal in applying lethal force. But as I said I let it slide,.

Nice tidbit: The entire last 40 minutes or so, from the van crashing into the barrier of the bridge to it plunging into the water, lasts only half a second on the plane. thumbup.gif

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Original storyline. Good stuff. Just have to concentrate on the story else you will be in limbo state when out of cinema.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 18 2010, 09:20 PM)
Cobb said he didn't know the time effect that occurs in dreams within dreams, so it's unlikely he could tell when the time was up. Let's just leave it to luck for now. laugh.gif

Yeah but the security in level 1 was far quicker in response and far more liberal in applying lethal force. But as I said I let it slide,.

Nice tidbit: The entire last 40 minutes or so, from the van crashing into the barrier of the bridge to it plunging into the water, lasts only half a second on the plane. thumbup.gif
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Cobb and Mal's stories seem to make the chronological plot of "Inception" go out of place imo.

1. Cobb and Mal enjoyed the dream world they had created, and grew old together (50years?).

Yet, when they chose to die in the railway track after Cobb convinced Mal the world they were in is not real (because both used 'memories' to create their dream world, a big no. Mal became attached to the dream world and convinced it was real...).

Bam. They are young again. How is this? Shouldn't they both be oldies on the railway track?

2. The use of heavy sedatives causes one not just to dream, but to get into a state called 'limbo' where a small time change in the real world causes a huge time change in the dream (e.g 5 minutes = 10 years).

Yet, in the movie, it does not ever show both Cobb and Mal using heavy sedatives. And how did they get into their dream world they lived for so long with no dreaming devices attached? Most importantly how did they have a "shared dream experience" ? Both of them were in the same dream with no... err... strings attached.

3. The totem that Mal used which later Cobb started using. Explain. I don't get this. You see, the totem is locked away in a safe by Mal. The spinning totem indicates (to Mal) whether the world she lived in was a dream or reality. She locked it away because she didn't want to know the truth. Cobb later finds it and... the totem is not his, right? So whether it stops spinning or continues infinitely, is never correct in the eyes of Cobb? Isn't it a 'small rule' to not use others' totem? Or is it the totem belonged to both of them?

4. Real world -> Dream -> Limbo. Mal experiences this. Cobb convinces her to die together. If die here, they will be stuck (whatever that is) or "burn out their minds". After they both die in the railway, do they end up in reality or limbo? Why does Mal keep showing up in Cobb's dreams? Also, I don't understand how is it that Cobb can "lock" Mal in her world and visit her anytime. Is Mal stuck for real?

5. Why Robert Fischer Jr. when he dies, ends up with Mal in the dream world? Cobb and Ariadne later goes in to seek him out to complete the mission.

6. What is the movie about (the mission that is)? The major plot point is Cobb and his team, performing "inception" on Robert Fischer Jr. to split his company from his father (Maurice Fischer), right? Just as Saito (who hires Cobb) wanted it to his advantage. Corporate espionage. OK, so what is the significance of the whole "secret" at the end of the movie with Robert opening the vault with his father (the secret) in it? What happened here? (Father: "I'm disappointed that you tried").

7. After mission completed, Cobb finds Saito to claim his reward to go back to 'reality' and see his children. How does he do this and most importantly, where is Saito's place? A dream world Saito constructed along with projections of the guards that finds Cobb on the beach?

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QUOTE(mkei87 @ Jul 18 2010, 07:07 PM)
i dun care who the hell is nolan is.i can only think that he like to make stupid movie that make people stupid watching dark night n inception n damm boring.criticize is always there
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u one of the few many who criticize this movie. congrats bro.. too bad nobody gonna give a s*it about your comment and people will continue praise this movie. kthxbye.
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 18 2010, 06:54 PM)
or avatar's plot being something orignal  laugh.gif

but seriously director like James Cameron and Spielberg have massive clout in hollywood for their track record to making hits ofter hits, nolan is still a new comer to being a hollywood elite, making a movie like inception is really a big risk for his career, if the audience cannot appreaced it he will find it hard to launch new project with this kind of budget after he exist the batman franchise.
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Avatar is something original? hahaha
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Questions
Cobb and Mal's stories seem to make the chronological plot of "Inception" go out of place imo.

1. Cobb and Mal enjoyed the dream world they had created, and grew old together (50years?).

Yet, when they chose to die in the railway track after Cobb convinced Mal the world they were in is not real (because both used 'memories' to create their dream world, a big no. Mal became attached to the dream world and convinced it was real...).

Bam. They are young again. How is this? Shouldn't they both be oldies on the railway track?

2. The use of heavy sedatives causes one not just to dream, but to get into a state called 'limbo' where a small time change in the real world causes a huge time change in the dream (e.g 5 minutes = 10 years).

Yet, in the movie, it does not ever show both Cobb and Mal using heavy sedatives. And how did they get into their dream world they lived for so long with no dreaming devices attached? Most importantly how did they have a "shared dream experience" ? Both of them were in the same dream with no... err... strings attached.

3. The totem that Mal used which later Cobb started using. Explain. I don't get this. You see, the totem is locked away in a safe by Mal. The spinning totem indicates (to Mal) whether the world she lived in was a dream or reality. She locked it away because she didn't want to know the truth. Cobb later finds it and... the totem is not his, right? So whether it stops spinning or continues infinitely, is never correct in the eyes of Cobb? Isn't it a 'small rule' to not use others' totem? Or is it the totem belonged to both of them?

4. Real world -> Dream -> Limbo. Mal experiences this. Cobb convinces her to die together. If die here, they will be stuck (whatever that is) or "burn out their minds". After they both die in the railway, do they end up in reality or limbo? Why does Mal keep showing up in Cobb's dreams? Also, I don't understand how is it that Cobb can "lock" Mal in her world and visit her anytime. Is Mal stuck for real?

5. Why Robert Fischer Jr. when he dies, ends up with Mal in the dream world? Cobb and Ariadne later goes in to seek him out to complete the mission.

6. What is the movie about (the mission that is)? The major plot point is Cobb and his team, performing "inception" on Robert Fischer Jr. to split his company from his father (Maurice Fischer), right? Just as Saito (who hires Cobb) wanted it to his advantage. Corporate espionage. OK, so what is the significance of the whole "secret" at the end of the movie with Robert opening the vault with his father (the secret) in it? What happened here? (Father: "I'm disappointed that you tried").

7. After mission completed, Cobb finds Saito to claim his reward to go back to 'reality' and see his children. How does he do this and most importantly, where is Saito's place? A dream world Saito constructed along with projections of the guards that finds Cobb on the beach?
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1. 2 theories: 1 is you return to your supposed age once you realize you are dreaming; 2 is just probably Cobb in denial that they grew old together due to his guilt

2. they did connected to the machine, and probably sedated too(didn't being mentioned in the movie)

3. The totem inside the safe is just a projection of the real totem she used(its more of a symbol than real thing in the dream)

4. They end up in reality (if you take the ending as Cobb is in reality), the Mal who keep on showing up in his missions was a projections of Cobb's subconscious that slipped through the "memory jail" that Cobb built

5. Fischer went into limbo after being shot; Cobb and Ariadne "link" him together with them to assess the limbo, and in the movie its stated that the world of limbo can be shared by those who had been there (Cobb), the reason they used Cobb's layout was because they can find Fischer in the shortest time (Cobb knew the layout), since they are running out of time

6. to explain this we must look at the motives of each "level" of dream:

level 1: to make Fischer think that he and his uncle was being kidnap, and the kidnapper demands the code for his father's secret safe
level 2: to make Fischer think that level 1 is the real world, and in fact it was his uncle who staged the kidnap, to get hold of the secrets in the safe; so Cobb convinced Fischer to dive into his uncle's mind to find out what it is
level 3: Fischer thought this was his uncle's subconscious, but in fact its still his...his father, and the safe, was forged by Eames, to make Fischer think that his father cared for him all these while, and actually wants him to stand on his own, and don't follow his footsteps

7. Saito was in limbo, and since Cobb was connected to Saito in the sinking van, they end up in the same limbo

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Cobb and Mal's stories seem to make the chronological plot of "Inception" go out of place imo.

1. Cobb and Mal enjoyed the dream world they had created, and grew old together (50years?).

Yet, when they chose to die in the railway track after Cobb convinced Mal the world they were in is not real (because both used 'memories' to create their dream world, a big no. Mal became attached to the dream world and convinced it was real...).

Bam. They are young again. How is this? Shouldn't they both be oldies on the railway track?

2. The use of heavy sedatives causes one not just to dream, but to get into a state called 'limbo' where a small time change in the real world causes a huge time change in the dream (e.g 5 minutes = 10 years).

Yet, in the movie, it does not ever show both Cobb and Mal using heavy sedatives. And how did they get into their dream world they lived for so long with no dreaming devices attached? Most importantly how did they have a "shared dream experience" ? Both of them were in the same dream with no... err... strings attached.

3. The totem that Mal used which later Cobb started using. Explain. I don't get this. You see, the totem is locked away in a safe by Mal. The spinning totem indicates (to Mal) whether the world she lived in was a dream or reality. She locked it away because she didn't want to know the truth. Cobb later finds it and... the totem is not his, right? So whether it stops spinning or continues infinitely, is never correct in the eyes of Cobb? Isn't it a 'small rule' to not use others' totem? Or is it the totem belonged to both of them?

4. Real world -> Dream -> Limbo. Mal experiences this. Cobb convinces her to die together. If die here, they will be stuck (whatever that is) or "burn out their minds". After they both die in the railway, do they end up in reality or limbo? Why does Mal keep showing up in Cobb's dreams? Also, I don't understand how is it that Cobb can "lock" Mal in her world and visit her anytime. Is Mal stuck for real?

5. Why Robert Fischer Jr. when he dies, ends up with Mal in the dream world? Cobb and Ariadne later goes in to seek him out to complete the mission.

6. What is the movie about (the mission that is)? The major plot point is Cobb and his team, performing "inception" on Robert Fischer Jr. to split his company from his father (Maurice Fischer), right? Just as Saito (who hires Cobb) wanted it to his advantage. Corporate espionage. OK, so what is the significance of the whole "secret" at the end of the movie with Robert opening the vault with his father (the secret) in it? What happened here? (Father: "I'm disappointed that you tried").

7. After mission completed, Cobb finds Saito to claim his reward to go back to 'reality' and see his children. How does he do this and most importantly, where is Saito's place? A dream world Saito constructed along with projections of the guards that finds Cobb on the beach?
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I think there was a dream device attached to both Cobb and Mal. That's the only way to share a dream. I also believe they used heavy sedatives. Cobb did say they were exploring deeper levels in the dream world.

Here's what I think. Many levels into the dream world, time became extremely slow. In the last dream level they dared to venture in, they basically spent 50 years there, aged, Mal went into a limbo state of mind, Cobb kept his sanity, decided it was enough, and killed themselves. Note that this particular suicide was not shown in the film. They then traversed across the preceding levels, killing themselves in each of them so they could go one level up. Cobb kept count of the number of levels they were in. The suicide on the tracks we see in the film happens when they reach the first level, thus explaining why they were still young when they lay on the tracks. They both wake up in the real world, but Mal, infected by Cobb's inception, refuses to believe this is reality, instead believing she will (always) need to go one more level up to reach reality.

3. True, Mal locked her totem in the safe so she could accept the dream as reality. Cobb took the totem and made it spin indefinitely. Presumably, when Mal opened the safe and saw the indefinite spin, she realized she was still in the dream world. This was Cobb's first inception.

4. When they died on the tracks, they woke up in reality. Mal constantly appears as a malevolent projection of Cobb because Cobb is haunted by his guilt of causing her death, and also because he misses her so much he simply cannot keep her out of his mind. Essentially this means his projection of Mal has become something out of his control. The various "levels of Mal" Ariadne secretly sneaks into are really just memories of Cobb together with Mal. He keeps these memories because this is how he gets to be together with her.

5. This question pertains to the concept of limbo, which I'm really not sure of. The film says Cobb was in limbo before, but as far as I know, only Mal was in limbo. Cobb was always aware he was in a dream. Perhaps by having a dreamer (Mal) in a state of limbo, and by sharing the same dream space, Cobb shares the same limbo as that dreamer, although as said he was always aware it was a dream. Limbo is said to be a vast empty space of nothingness in which the dreamer-in-limbo perceives as reality. Things only appear in it when the dreamer starts building them, or if someone who has been to limbo occupies the same space, which then fills the limbo with buildings and projections from the old limbo. So when Fischer enters limbo, that limbo is empty. But when Cobb and Ariadne enters his limbo, Cobb who has shared limbo with Mal, fills the space with his old projections.

6. Basically, the inception was done by seeding doubt in Fischer's mind that Browning was trying to steal Fischer Sr.'s will that states Jr. will have the choice to break up Sr's empire and do what he wants. This was actually done in level 1 (the hostage scene), where Eames, impersonating Browning, tells him how much his had loves him and makes it known to him that he has a locked will somewhere, strictly for Fischer Jr. The seed is sown, and from then on, even if Fischer himself doesn't realize it, he subsubsubconsiously (lol) thinks his dad loved him and was only disappointed that he tried to follow in his footsteps. In Level 2 (hotel), the Browning that enters the room is actually FIscher's projection of Browning, and Browning confessing to trying to steal and destroy the will in the safe (so Fischer wouldnt break up the empire and Browning could impose his influence on the company) was actually completely simulated by Fischer's own subsubsubsubsubsubsconcious mind (lolol). It was actually done in a very subtle manner. In Level 3, basically his subsubsubconsious mind makes up a projection of his dad telling him that he didn't want him following in his footsteps, and this the full idea of dissolving the company is implanted. I think that's how it goes. It sounds a bit silly, but I think it's quite an original idea.

7. Basically both Saito and Cobb were stuck in limbo. This time Cobb really IS stuck in HIS own limbo, meaning he doesn't know it's all a dream. When both of them come face to face though, each reminds the other of something that makes both of them realize the world is a dream. Saito sees the totem and is reminded of Cobb, and the whole "die as an old man, full of regret" dialogue reminds both of the agreement they made in the real world. I would like to think Cobb managed to realize this because of his clinging, parasitic desire (or idea, if you will) to see his children, and Saito because of his Japanese tradition of honoring agreements? laugh.gif

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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Jul 18 2010, 10:00 PM)
1. 2 theories: 1 is you return to your supposed age once you realize you are dreaming; 2 is just probably Cobb in denial that they grew old together due to his guilt

2. they did connected to the machine, and probably sedated too(didn't being mentioned in the movie)

3. The totem inside the safe is just a projection of the real totem she used(its more of a symbol than real thing in the dream)

4. They end up in reality (if you take the ending as Cobb is in reality), the Mal who keep on showing up in his missions was a projections of Cobb's subconscious that slipped through the "memory jail" that Cobb built

5. Fischer went into limbo after being shot; Cobb and Ariadne "link" him together with them to assess the limbo, and in the movie its stated that  the world of limbo can be shared by those who had been there (Cobb), the reason they used Cobb's layout was because they can find Fischer in the shortest time (Cobb knew the layout), since they are running out of time

6. to explain this we must look at the motives of each "level" of dream:

level 1: to make Fischer think that he and his uncle was being kidnap, and the kidnapper demands the code for his father's secret safe
level 2: to make Fischer think that level 1 is the real world, and in fact it was his uncle who staged the kidnap, to get hold of the secrets in the safe; so Cobb convinced Fischer to dive into his uncle's mind to find out what it is
level 3: Fischer thought this was his uncle's subconscious, but in fact its still his...his father, and the safe, was forged by Eames, to make Fischer think that his father cared for him all these while, and actually wants him to stand on his own, and don't follow his footsteps

7. Saito was in limbo, and since Cobb was connected to Saito in the sinking van, they end up in the same limbo
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OK, thanks.

Anyways, the ending contradicts the rules of dreams with reality.

Dream - the totem should spin indefinitely, as in absolutely no loss of speed and it just keeps going dead stable.
Reality - the totem loses power and falls
The ending - the totem seem to spin indefinitely, but then starts to lose power
The problem is... the kids are exactly the same, and given Cobb's experience with the company carrying out the extractor task, his kids should have aged. At least the clothes should be different.

Funny how Yusuf (Dileep Rao) the actor says we should "listen" rather than "watch" the final scene. While Eames (Tom Hardy) says it is "reality". The actors themselves have their own interpretation. biggrin.gif

I've watched the movie once, and perhaps when things clear up considerably for me, then I'll have another go, maybe I won't.

This movie deserves nothing less than a "9".

This movie has an insane 9.3/10 on IMDB with over 5,000 ratings cast by users. Impressive.




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I am tempted to reduce my rating to a 9/10 but 4 screenings in 4 days is f***ing mad. I'll let the film settle and I'll decide when the BD is out.
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Yeah that was mad so what made you do it? You had the movie wear you down even before you could fully understand the plot!

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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 18 2010, 10:36 PM)
This movie has an insane 9.3/10 on IMDB with over 5,000 ratings cast by users. Impressive.
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it's showing 9.4/10 with 20,000 million plus votes here : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/
but its 9.0/10 here : http://www.imdb.com/chart/top?tt1375666

still early to tell, need to give some time.

question is, will it beat dark knight rating on IMDb. cause currently, thats christopher nolan highest rated movie on IMDb. follow by memento and in third place, the prestige.

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Oh the rating will come down definitely. Way down. IMDb sucks anyway, especially for new movies, where fanboys all vote 10.

Btw, 20,000k is 20 million. tongue.gif

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ARGHHHH somehow that eerie music like the 28 days later theme song gets stuck in my head. The part where things were falling apart, building began collapsing and crumbled down.

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I just get to know this from my friends. He watched 2 times for Inception. First was at GSC and the second time at TGV. Apparently he found out that the TGV version is screw up. Some of the scene was deleted and it is mixed up. It makes the movie is confusing.

So for those who said confusing.... are you watched at TGV?

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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 18 2010, 10:36 PM)
Funny how Yusuf (Dileep Rao) the actor says we should "listen" rather than "watch" the final scene. While Eames (Tom Hardy) says it is "reality". The actors themselves have their own interpretation.  biggrin.gif
i think this is what nolan would want, everyone arguing over the ending, like the debate for blade runner fans on Deckard as a human or replicant, in this case the writer, directory and actor are having different interpretation.

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 18 2010, 11:18 PM)
Oh the rating will come down definitely. Way down. IMDb sucks anyway, especially for new movies, where fanboys all vote 10.

Btw, 20,000k is 20 million. tongue.gif
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20 million it is wink.gif

QUOTE(Ilianas_Toy @ Jul 18 2010, 11:19 PM)
ARGHHHH somehow that eerie music like the 28 days later theme song gets stuck in my head. The part where things were falling apart, building began collapsing and crumbled down.
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had the time to listen its soundtrack few days back, i loved it smile.gif
but i have yet watch the movie sad.gif

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QUOTE(jehutyz @ Jul 18 2010, 11:22 PM)
I just get to know this from my friends. He watched 2 times for Inception. First was at GSC and the second time at TGV. Apparently he found out that the TGV version is screw up. Some of the scene was deleted and it is mixed up. It makes the movie is confusing.

So for those who said confusing.... are you watched at TGV?
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Which part & how was it mixed up ??? I'm watching it in TGV.
Not sure how GSC ver were looks liked.
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one more thing, did this movie survived our censorship board's scissor?
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Whats there to censor?
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a2...-inception.html

Juno dont want her friends to keep asking about the plot of inception
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 18 2010, 11:04 PM)
Yeah that was mad so what made you do it? You had the movie wear you down even before you could fully understand the plot!
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Actually no. I had my own interpretation by the end of my second screening. But I enjoyed the film so much that I decided to watch it again (third time). And after that I still enjoyed it and wanted to give it a second 'full' viewing. And then, the 'hollowness' hit me. But like I said, 4 screenings is mad and I'd think it'd be fair to let it simmer before having another go at the film.

Still, as it stands, I think this is the best film of the year (Shutter Island, Kick Ass and TS3 are the only 3 other films I remember being any good this year!).
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QUOTE(Foxngn @ Jul 18 2010, 11:28 PM)
Which part & how was it mixed up ??? I'm watching it in TGV.
Not sure how GSC ver were looks liked.
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Ok....

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I pity you, just like the girls sitting next to me. Talk all the time in the cinema, then when the movie's about to end all bising "Eh tak paham lah movie ni, eh menyampah lah tengok movie ni, eh this eh that". Go watch something simple like Despicable Me la next time.
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no need pity.it's normal. RM9 is like throwing into the river. i had some even worse. 1 guy always hang out the phone.
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i jizzed my pants

this film is good but not as good as MEMENTO or PRESTIGE ....

better than TDK....

good job nolan. will watch it again wednesday
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QUOTE(jehutyz @ Jul 18 2010, 11:35 PM)
Ok....

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QUOTE(jehutyz @ Jul 18 2010, 11:35 PM)
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ermm, at the TGV i watched, those thing that were in spoiler got showed & explained
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Opened 60.4 million USD for the weekend. I expected 65 sad.gif
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I'm planning to see it again next Saturday at KLCC with family biggrin.gif

Wanna make a movie gathering and book the whole cinema? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mkei87 @ Jul 18 2010, 11:37 PM)
no need pity.it's normal. RM9 is like throwing into the river. i had some even worse. 1 guy always hang out the phone.
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Thats when bluray comes to save d day. Some ppl they do things that u can imagine .. a guy keep asking the gf the freaking smuggle pack of 'lays' chips taste nice or not.. nice or not ... nice or not.. until the gf finish it.. after that the gf sip soft drinks.. sumore ask nice or not .. nice or not.. really nia mah.. vmad.gif

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QUOTE(firedauz @ Jul 18 2010, 11:40 PM)
I'm planning to see it again next Saturday at KLCC with family biggrin.gif

Wanna make a movie gathering and book the whole cinema? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Jenn77 @ Jul 18 2010, 11:40 PM)
Thats when bluray comes  to save d day. Some ppl they do things that u can imagine .. a guy keep asking the gf the freaking smuggle pack of 'lays' chips taste nice or not.. nice or not ... nice or not.. until the gf finish it.. after that the gf sip soft drinks.. sumore ask nice or not .. nice or not.. really nia mah..  vmad.gif
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Jul 18 2010, 11:39 PM)
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QUOTE(Foxngn @ Jul 18 2010, 11:39 PM)
ermm, at the TGV i watched, those thing that were in spoiler got showed & explained
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Hmmm... caused i was told the scene sequence was not correct....


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I have conclusive proof on what the ending meant!


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QUOTE(jehutyz @ Jul 18 2010, 11:45 PM)
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Hmmm... caused i was told the scene sequence was not correct.... and some of the scene is not shown..


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2 soundtracks from this movie stuck in my head for the entire weekend.

528491. The soundtrack played during the climax of the movie where Fischer got revived and confronting his dying dad and everyone else in the team getting ready for the "Kick".

Another one is called "Time". The ending theme where Cobbs leave the airport and meet his family.
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How you know James and Philipa were 3 and 5 on the phone? iMDB doesn't say the 5 year old was on the phone. Also, what if Cobb's conversation with them on the phone was a dream and real at the end?

*I may or may not believe so.


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2 soundtracks from this movie stuck in my head for the entire weekend.

528491. The soundtrack played during the climax of the movie where Fischer got revived and confronting his dying dad and everyone else in the team getting ready for the "Kick".

Another one is called "Time". The ending theme where Cobbs leave the airport and meet his family.
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Waiting for a Train is good too.

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jul 18 2010, 11:54 PM)
How you know James and Philipa were 3 and 5 on the phone? iMDB doesn't say the 5 year old was on the phone. Also, what if Cobb's conversation with them on the phone was a dream and real at the end?

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jul 18 2010, 11:54 PM)
How you know James and Philipa were 3 and 5 on the phone? iMDB doesn't say the 5 year old was on the phone. Also, what if Cobb's conversation with them on the phone was a dream and real at the end?

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The scene was repeating. It was exactly same as his memory. Both of them wearing the same cloth.
Cobb was away for a while therefore it can't be the same scene rite?

Some interesting note to read. Taken from CinemaBlend.

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QUOTE(slickz @ Jul 18 2010, 11:57 PM)
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Holy shit. Four screenings and I missed that! For real?


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The scene was repeating. It was exactly same as his memory. Both of them wearing the same cloth.
Cobb was away for a while therefore it can't be the same scene rite?

Some interesting note to read. Taken from CinemaBlend.

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The ring could symbolize his guilt. He's free of it already after letting her go.

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Holy shit. Four screenings and I missed that! For real?


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The ring could symbolize his guilt. He's free of it already after letting her go.
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well I certainly did recall when Cobb spoke with his kids, and the subject of age came up to which they replied their age.

Did you stay after the credits? Did the top stop spinning then?
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well I certainly did recall when Cobb spoke with his kids, and the subject of age came up to which they replied their age.

Did you stay after the credits? Did the top stop spinning then?
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Just finish watching, I freakin' love this movie, so creative... in a good way, highly recommended. It top my initial best movie of 2010: Shutter Island.

Yes, both are Leonardo, and I'm not his fans.


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Christopher Nolan is not perfect, Movie is not perfect.

Obviously some people like it, and some not. It just like I said Avatar was a boring movie but lot of people said is a great movie. Everyone have their own preference and type of movie.

Inception was another great movie from Christopher Nolan. I get to know Christopher Nolan in the movie The Prestige. It was a great movie that twist and turn, and nice story. Then comes Batman. Batman wasn't a nice movie as it was a bit cartoon before his Batman Begin and Dark Knight.

I like this kind of movie as you need to think and concentrate during the movie. Mystery and guessing around. The idea and story is really good. We don't always see this kind of movie, as I think not many director can do so.

A great movie won't end just after the movie ends. It will be a topic to discuss and you will discuss among your friend to find out more details.

Just go and watch it, then you rate it yourself. If you like The Prestige, this is a must watch movie for you.

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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 18 2010, 10:36 PM)
OK, thanks.

Anyways, the ending contradicts the rules of dreams with reality.

Dream - the totem should spin indefinitely, as in absolutely no loss of speed and it just keeps going dead stable.
Reality - the totem loses power and falls
The ending - the totem seem to spin indefinitely, but then starts to lose power
The problem is... the kids are exactly the same, and given Cobb's experience with the company carrying out the extractor task, his kids should have aged. At least the clothes should be different.

Funny how Yusuf (Dileep Rao) the actor says we should "listen" rather than "watch" the final scene. While Eames (Tom Hardy) says it is "reality". The actors themselves have their own interpretation.  biggrin.gif

I've watched the movie once, and perhaps when things clear up considerably for me, then I'll have another go, maybe I won't.

This movie deserves nothing less than a "9".

This movie has an insane 9.3/10 on IMDB with over 5,000 ratings cast by users. Impressive.
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The ending is meant to introduce doubt. It looks like it's losing power but the scene cuts off before we can see the result.

The reason why the kids are still wearing the same clothes is the same reason why they refused to show the result of the totem spinning test.

At the same time, they also showed the children's faces, which is a key difference with his dreams. This is also to introduce doubt.

Also, I do not believe they have mentioned how long it has been since he left. Therefore, there is no reason to believe the children could have aged much. This is emphasized by the phone conversation he has with his children about how the children miss him and how it's getting harder to convince the children they still have a father who loves them.

QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 18 2010, 09:42 PM)
Questions
Cobb and Mal's stories seem to make the chronological plot of "Inception" go out of place imo.

1. Cobb and Mal enjoyed the dream world they had created, and grew old together (50years?).

Yet, when they chose to die in the railway track after Cobb convinced Mal the world they were in is not real (because both used 'memories' to create their dream world, a big no. Mal became attached to the dream world and convinced it was real...).

Bam. They are young again. How is this? Shouldn't they both be oldies on the railway track?

2. The use of heavy sedatives causes one not just to dream, but to get into a state called 'limbo' where a small time change in the real world causes a huge time change in the dream (e.g 5 minutes = 10 years).

Yet, in the movie, it does not ever show both Cobb and Mal using heavy sedatives. And how did they get into their dream world they lived for so long with no dreaming devices attached? Most importantly how did they have a "shared dream experience" ? Both of them were in the same dream with no... err... strings attached.

3. The totem that Mal used which later Cobb started using. Explain. I don't get this. You see, the totem is locked away in a safe by Mal. The spinning totem indicates (to Mal) whether the world she lived in was a dream or reality. She locked it away because she didn't want to know the truth. Cobb later finds it and... the totem is not his, right? So whether it stops spinning or continues infinitely, is never correct in the eyes of Cobb? Isn't it a 'small rule' to not use others' totem? Or is it the totem belonged to both of them?

4. Real world -> Dream -> Limbo. Mal experiences this. Cobb convinces her to die together. If die here, they will be stuck (whatever that is) or "burn out their minds". After they both die in the railway, do they end up in reality or limbo? Why does Mal keep showing up in Cobb's dreams? Also, I don't understand how is it that Cobb can "lock" Mal in her world and visit her anytime. Is Mal stuck for real?

5. Why Robert Fischer Jr. when he dies, ends up with Mal in the dream world? Cobb and Ariadne later goes in to seek him out to complete the mission.

6. What is the movie about (the mission that is)? The major plot point is Cobb and his team, performing "inception" on Robert Fischer Jr. to split his company from his father (Maurice Fischer), right? Just as Saito (who hires Cobb) wanted it to his advantage. Corporate espionage. OK, so what is the significance of the whole "secret" at the end of the movie with Robert opening the vault with his father (the secret) in it? What happened here? (Father: "I'm disappointed that you tried").

7. After mission completed, Cobb finds Saito to claim his reward to go back to 'reality' and see his children. How does he do this and most importantly, where is Saito's place? A dream world Saito constructed along with projections of the guards that finds Cobb on the beach?
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Just some addendums to what others have mentioned.

1. There were multiple levels of dream. It could be that the railway dream is Level 1 while the old age dream is a deeper level or limbo.

2. The only way to achieve multiple levels of dream in a stable manner is to use sedatives. The fact that Cobb suggested using sedatives to Yusuf for the same reason implies that he used sedatives with Mal.

3. Mal is dead. Therefore she no longer shares dreams with Cobb. As long as no one else knows the totem, it should be safe for Cobb to use the totem.

7. Those who share the same dream enter the same limbo. (Cobb drowned in Level 2 while Saito died from gun shot there as well.)

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nolan sneak into theater to see how people react to inception, but theater shut down half way laugh.gif
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 18 2010, 10:33 PM)
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Alright thx... Looks like everyone has their own explanation! biggrin.gif This feels like "Lost". But in movie form.

QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jul 18 2010, 10:49 PM)
I am tempted to reduce my rating to a 9/10 but 4 screenings in 4 days is f***ing mad. I'll let the film settle and I'll decide when the BD is out.
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4 times? The movie was released like 15/16 July and you have watched it 4 times! Madness! At the most it would be twice for me, then it is off to Blu-Ray, e.g "District 9", "Avatar" (3 times) and "Toy Story 3". I am so tempted to watch this again...

QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jul 19 2010, 12:10 AM)
Yes, the soundtrack is brilliant!!
The ending is meant to introduce doubt. It looks like it's losing power but the scene cuts off before we can see the result.

The reason why the kids are still wearing the same clothes is the same reason why they refused to show the result of the totem spinning test.

At the same time, they also showed the children's faces, which is a key difference with his dreams. This is also to introduce doubt.

Also, I do not believe they have mentioned how long it has been since he left. Therefore, there is no reason to believe the children could have aged much. This is emphasized by the phone conversation he has with his children about how the children miss him and how it's getting harder to convince the children they still have a father who loves them.
Just some addendums to what others have mentioned.

1. There were multiple levels of dream. It could be that the railway dream is Level 1 while the old age dream is a deeper level or limbo.

2. The only way to achieve multiple levels of dream in a stable manner is to use sedatives. The fact that Cobb suggested using sedatives to Yusuf for the same reason implies that he used sedatives with Mal.

3. Mal is dead. Therefore she no longer shares dreams with Cobb. As long as no one else knows the totem, it should be safe for Cobb to use the totem.

7. Those who share the same dream enter the same limbo. (Cobb drowned in Level 2 while Saito died from gun shot there as well.)
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What do you mean? "As long as no one else knows the totem, it should be safe for Cobb to use the totem."

QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 19 2010, 12:10 AM)
http://www.movieline.com/2010/07/inception...-attendance.php

nolan sneak into theater to see how people react to inception, but theater shut down half way  laugh.gif
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Holy crap! doh.gif 100 minutes into the movie ? Madness! And the movie director was there! He must have really felt every breath of frustration from every audience member.


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Alright thx... Looks like everyone has their own explanation!  biggrin.gif  This feels like "Lost". But in movie form.
4 times? The movie was released like 15/16 July and you have watched it 4 times! Madness! At the most it would be twice for me, then it is off to Blu-Ray, e.g "District 9", "Avatar" (3 times) and "Toy Story 3". I am so tempted to watch this again...
What do you mean? "As long as no one else knows the totem, it should be safe for Cobb to use the totem."
Holy crap!  doh.gif  100 minutes into the movie ? Madness! And the movie director was there! He must have really felt every breath of frustration from every audience member.
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because totem serve as a "guide" for you to know whether you are in others' dream or not, so as long as no one else know the exact specs of your totem, you can use it without worrying some architect had duplicated it to fool you
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juz watched the movie... very nice for imagination...
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 19 2010, 12:46 AM)
4 times? The movie was released like 15/16 July and you have watched it 4 times! Madness! At the most it would be twice for me, then it is off to Blu-Ray, e.g "District 9", "Avatar" (3 times) and "Toy Story 3". I am so tempted to watch this again...
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Jul 19 2010, 12:56 AM)
because totem serve as a "guide" for you to know whether you are in others' dream or not, so as long as no one else know the exact specs of your totem, you can use it without worrying some architect had duplicated it to fool you
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I understand how a totem works. I got what +Newbie+ meant. Yeah... Mal is "dead" so Cobb can just use the totem. I got it.


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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 19 2010, 12:46 AM)
Alright thx... Looks like everyone has their own explanation!  biggrin.gif  This feels like "Lost". But in movie form.
4 times? The movie was released like 15/16 July and you have watched it 4 times! Madness! At the most it would be twice for me, then it is off to Blu-Ray, e.g "District 9", "Avatar" (3 times) and "Toy Story 3". I am so tempted to watch this again...
What do you mean? "As long as no one else knows the totem, it should be safe for Cobb to use the totem."
Holy crap!  doh.gif  100 minutes into the movie ? Madness! And the movie director was there! He must have really felt every breath of frustration from every audience member.
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There was a scene where Cobb refused to let Ariadne touch his totem because the dreamer must be the only person in the dream who knows what his own totem feels like, looks like, etc etc.

Of course, we can't look into too much detail. At the end of the day, this is just pure fantasy. The fact that they never ever explain the hows and whys of the dream machine already emphasizes what kind of move this is.

The fantastical scenes and epic music all add up to a very good movie. I think the only reason why I call it a very good movie instead of brilliant is because I have already seen The Matrix. If I hadn't, this movie would've probably blown my mind.

I really loved the rolling gravity fight scene in the hotel between JGL and the security. Nais.
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this film is in the same realm as Dark City...but i really 'fe;t' and got 'connected' to Dark City more than this one...dunoo why...maybe i'm just into all the gothic realm of Dark City while Inception is kinda 'bright' for me...or maybe the i didn't feel the casts' emotions there...hmm

anyone prefers Dark City more than Inception here?

for the record, for Nolan's creation - i dig The Prestige very much, like Momento... but didn't really like The Dark Knight...

we can't please 'em all..can we?

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I watched this movie just now.
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SPOILERS BWARE

Is Cobb still in the dream world after the whole mission??

Ending he FINALLY sees his children's faces, my verdict he woke up.

Was Cobb is his dream world afterall even b4 the mission??

No, his totem did stop speeding in 2 of the scenes. It shows he was actually in the real world afterall. And that his wife did actually died.

Why did the ending ends with the totem still spinning and cut off to credits??

Maybe the Directors wants us to keep guessing and dicuss in forums such as this one. Make us think of the 2 questions above and probably wants us put our imagination beyond th movie. It did make make think for a second that maybe JUST maybe the wife was the one that is right afterall, and by now still waiting for Cobb to wake up from his dreams or simply Cobbs is stuck in his 'limbo' dreams forever.

But my 2 answers above proof that those are wrong afterall.... so dont worry.. Cobb is safe in the real world retired rich with his kids smile.gif


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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jul 19 2010, 01:19 AM)
lol @ the phail screening
There was a scene where Cobb refused to let Ariadne touch his totem because the dreamer must be the only person in the dream who knows what his own totem feels like, looks like, etc etc.

Of course, we can't look into too much detail. At the end of the day, this is just pure fantasy. The fact that they never ever explain the hows and whys of the dream machine already emphasizes what kind of move this is.

The fantastical scenes and epic music all add up to a very good movie. I think the only reason why I call it a very good movie instead of brilliant is because I have already seen The Matrix. If I hadn't, this movie would've probably blown my mind.

I really loved the rolling gravity fight scene in the hotel between JGL and the security. Nais.
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didn't JGL said that the machine was use by the military to combat something2 . hmm.gif
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Inception take box office number 1 over weekend with 60.4 million, is this a dream or reality?
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I almost fell asleep in this show. Most of my friends found it entertaining but not me.

I somehow think Leonardo is not the right cast for this show, reminded me too much of titanic LOL.

3/5 for me.
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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Jul 19 2010, 08:23 AM)
I almost fell asleep in this show. Most of my friends found it entertaining but not me.

I somehow think Leonardo is not the right cast for this show, reminded me too much of titanic LOL.

3/5 for me.
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boring movie of the year which makes no sense . 2/5 overall.
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didn't JGL said that the machine was use by the military to combat something2 . hmm.gif
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I'm not sure either. The movie just doesn't go into specifics. We're just supposed to believe such a contraption exists and the dream rules are real.

QUOTE(soul2soul @ Jul 19 2010, 08:23 AM)
I almost fell asleep in this show. Most of my friends found it entertaining but not me.

I somehow think Leonardo is not the right cast for this show, reminded me too much of titanic LOL.

3/5 for me.
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boring movie of the year which makes no sense . 2/5 overall.
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QUOTE(ate @ Jul 19 2010, 09:16 AM)
boring movie of the year which makes no sense . 2/5 overall.
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its not boring . its not your type . go watch last airbender  yawn.gif
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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Jul 19 2010, 08:23 AM)
I almost fell asleep in this show. Most of my friends found it entertaining but not me.

I somehow think Leonardo is not the right cast for this show, reminded me too much of titanic LOL.

3/5 for me.
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he is not really type cast into the pretty boy lover role.
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 19 2010, 09:53 AM)
did you watch any of the other Di Caprio movie? Shutter Island, The Departed, Aviator, Body of Lies, Gangs of New York

he is not really type cast into the pretty boy lover role.
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QUOTE(streethype @ Jul 19 2010, 10:26 AM)
when mal asked would you jump for me i was really hoping he'd say 'you jump, I jump' biggrin.gif would definitely stand up and clap
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I'd clap for that. tongue.gif

Anyways, after reading the posts from last weekend (Damn that took me an hour), I'm not gonna accept any of this as answers.

its only an inception in reality. wink.gif

Besides, if it were me, the best answer to accept is to just, let the totem remain, anonymous. Whether it falls or not, it won't matter. But still, I have yet to watch the movie because I wanted to do something fun for the weekend (having a splash at Wetworld Shah Alam was better. tongue.gif)
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QUOTE(ate @ Jul 19 2010, 09:16 AM)
boring movie of the year which makes no sense . 2/5 overall.
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Can't just say it is boring where you didn't say any reason for it.
It maybe just not your type of movie.
In fact a lot of movies also makes no sense....
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its a boring movie if its not the person's type. Look at the other guy who hates. Rating it only for Action and being Funny. Heck, the guy doesn't get the story at all. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Jul 19 2010, 11:04 AM)
its a boring movie if its not the person's type. Look at the other guy who hates. Rating it only for Action and being Funny. Heck, the guy doesn't get the story at all. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jehutyz @ Jul 18 2010, 11:22 PM)
I just get to know this from my friends. He watched 2 times for Inception. First was at GSC and the second time at TGV. Apparently he found out that the TGV version is screw up. Some of the scene was deleted and it is mixed up. It makes the movie is confusing.

So for those who said confusing.... are you watched at TGV?
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I can confirmed this. tongue.gif Noticed it during my 2nd viewing at TGC KLCC (first viewing at GSC Pavilion).

After Saito offered the inception job to Cobb (scene with helicopter), after that suddenly the scene with Cobb testing the sedative by Yusuf was shown. The scene where Cobb met with Ariadne & Eames was shown only after they entered the 1st layer (raining scene).

Stupid TGV. tongue.gif Luckily I watched at GSC earlier.
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 19 2010, 09:53 AM)
did you watch any of the other Di Caprio movie? Shutter Island, The Departed, Aviator, Body of Lies, Gangs of New York

he is not really type cast into the pretty boy lover role.
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Blood Diamond better tongue.gif

Shutter Island - the ending is unclear who is rite & who is wrong blush.gif

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QUOTE(GuyzNexDoor @ Jul 19 2010, 11:12 AM)
Black Diamond better tongue.gif

Shutter Island - the ending is unclear who is rite & who is wrong blush.gif
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shutter island ending is similar to the ending of inception, it present a version of the story and then introduce doubt to that version then end the movie, leaving the audience with something to think about, in shutter island it is the light house and in inception it is the totem.


Added on July 19, 2010, 11:20 amaudicen reaction to inception ending, the sound of awesome biggrin.gif i dont get this in the cinema i went to yesterday sad.gif

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Audible-Aud...some-19627.html

meanwhile Christian Bale comment on the ending




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post Jul 19 2010, 11:26 AM

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Put it this way, The Prestige had no action and was a full drama from start to finish. I think people should start differ & know that inception is never an actioneer. It was a full head on drama. Nuff said! biggrin.gif


Added on July 19, 2010, 11:31 amI'd say that the ending is a genius one, and I'd like to share another ending that I felt was quite genius too.

I know Gamer is not that good of a movie, but the ending was pure genius (as I remembered I would be the only one laughing in the theater in midvalley that day, even my gf was puzzled).

We should get more genius endings like this. Like Inception, Prestige, Dark Knight, so on.

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I watched this movie last night, Man, really deep movie, I have some difficulties catching up on some parts, but the whole movie left me satisfied and really wowed me...I think I going for original dvd for this tongue.gif

The soundtrack for the movie is really really amazing!
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Well it's just me, I find the entire subconscious thing a bit ridiculous. That explains why I didn't like the show from the beginning.

I still think leornado is not the right cast for this show.
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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Jul 19 2010, 11:40 AM)
Well it's just me, I find the entire subconscious thing a bit ridiculous. That explains why I didn't like the show from the beginning.

I still think leornado is not the right cast for this show.
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