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qsp1985
post May 26 2009, 02:35 AM

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Bro schmeichel7 the value of Rm58 for the sales tax is 10% on the original value + the added 20% import duty value. so acctually you are paying 32% of tax due to the compounded calculation.

Chcher said something about weight.. Above 1 kg parcel is also taxable? even when the value is below 500?
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post May 26 2009, 10:39 AM

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since we are on this issue, i repaste my previous post:

"I checked the website and seems like there is no amendment to the orders

Butiran 109, Schedule A of the Sales Tax (Exemption) Oder 1980

See Page 13 of the below site and look for no "109"
http://tariff.customs.gov.my/DEFAULT.ASPX?trncode=CO06S1000

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Butiran 172 of the Schedule to the Customs Duties Exemption Order 1988

see page 18 of the below link and look for "172"
http://tariff.customs.gov.my/DEFAULT.ASPX?trncode=KO22S1000 "


On the weight (1kg) it is just a precautionary limit based on experience.


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post May 26 2009, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(zaidizero @ May 26 2009, 12:20 AM)
Its a blank shirt. i got it around 28 pounds including shipping. As from the picture the shirt looks in mint condition and no fading at the collar.
How can i trace back the IC number as there is no name on it just a signature. one thing i noticed is the  handwriting looks similar when i compare with the postman's handwriting.
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you made a police report yet?

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post May 26 2009, 12:21 PM

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no i haven't i just make a report with pos malaysia and met with the manager there. They asked me to wait for 6 days for them to investigate. I need to wait for the outcome and most probably i have to request for refund from pos malaysia. I got the feeling this going to be a loooong procedure. Anyone has experience claim from pos malaysia? was thinking to make a complain with NCC http://nccc.org.my
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post May 26 2009, 01:02 PM

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thanks bro
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post May 26 2009, 03:42 PM

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Guys, Do you think this is normal? I think the gap is for the WCC patch.

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post May 26 2009, 04:33 PM

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Wow.. nice how much is that? did you get it form kitbag?
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post May 26 2009, 05:29 PM

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A little bit higher, would be just nice.
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QUOTE(giotto @ May 25 2009, 08:14 PM)
Maybe i can share a lil info about custom taxes and etc.

Any goods that is imported from overseas needs to be declared and hence, to be declared under what you call a tariff code. There are hundreds of thousands of tariff code in which to suit million of products that are imported in every other year. Anyways, these declaration are done by the forwarding guys at UPS in KLIA or whichever country entry point where a UPS specialist forwarding guy will be designating the incoming goods tariff code that is described in the invoice. How much tax we pay heavily depends on how this forwarding guy declares the tariff code but having seen the Custom 9 form, my very few kitbag purchases so far is declared accordingly and correctly. There is a few tariff code that was used, but unfortunately, all the very few codes he used were 30% dutiable. Rule of thumb is, any form of jersey or tshirt imported is taxable 30% and its not strictly 30% but 20% + 10% import tax and sales tax respectively.

And here comes the important part. Any goods with a declared invoice value of RM500 or lesser is not dutiable, irregardless of how high the actual tax, ie. 40% or 50% tax. So its safe to say that if your purchase value is below RM500, you won't need to pay any form of tax. I've heard of cases of some of us having to pay tax even tho the value is below RM500 so you can actually refuse to accept the package and you have every right to call up the UPS call centre, tell them your goods was wrongly taxed and you will want them to re-declare the goods and let them know the invoice is below RM500. You should not pay any extra processing fees.

But one thing for sure, 9 of 10 of us here would gladly pay the tax and sign for the goods and happily open the package to unveil the new jersey tho sulking over the 30% tax and the RM25 processing fees. Yes, 30% on the total jersey purchase may seem seem meagre and most of us just pay and go but there was once my company's product was wrongly taxed and we were facing a RM38,000 tax bill to be paid where in actualy, the tax amount was only RM4-5K. Obviously we got the forwarding agent to re-declare accordingly but what im trying to say here is that you can refuse to accept the package and tell them your items was wrongly taxed.

So to say that RM400 is a safe amount is not 100% right if by the law but if you've never been taxed at this amount, i'd say you're free to continue to buy at that limit but the fact remains, RM500 is the cut off point. Another point i would like to stress is your delivery address. Some of us register our workplace as the delivery address coz nobody at home during the daytime when UPS makes the delivery. The thing is, custom officers are ESPECIALLY alert when your goods are delivered to addresses like 'Taman Perindustrian Batu Tiga' or any address resembling a business operation simply because they have reason to believe the couriered goods will be re-sold to make a profit. Its roughly the same analogy as why authorities prefer to catch business premises using pirated Microsoft software where else home users are hardly penalised using them, knowing very well that home users are one of the biggest user of computer. That does not goes to say that you can buy lots of dutiable items, address is to your home and then sell them to make a profit. You may get off once or twice but you're never gonna be that lucky.  But of coz the RM500 and below rules apply here so in other words, don't abuse the system. So if you're buying things online, if you have a choice, route it to your home address or your neighbour who's always at home. Routing it to your office only raise slight suspicion it could be traded to make a profit, and that makes them detain your parcel for tax purpose.

Hope my lil info here helps to answer any newbies who're curious and want to buy online. Its safe to buy, but don't abuse the system by buying small amount in each transaction but multiple times and then selling them slightly cheaper compared to retail outlet. If you're buying for friends, again, limit your transaction to RM500.

Happy online shopping!
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post May 26 2009, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(keanzteoh @ May 26 2009, 03:42 PM)
Guys, Do you think this is normal? I think the gap is for the WCC patch.
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yup, WCC patch for sure!!!
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post May 27 2009, 05:18 PM

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why need worry about taxes, just ask seller state the jersey as a gift then we no need pay tax, i buy two jersey on ebay and no need to pay tax, i even buy couple World Cup trophy replica (7kg each, price > RM500) without paying tax just because i ask seller declare the good as a gift in DHL form
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QUOTE(faris21 @ May 27 2009, 05:18 PM)
why need worry about taxes, just ask seller state the jersey as a gift then we no need pay tax, i buy two jersey on ebay and no need to pay tax, i even buy couple World Cup trophy replica (7kg each, price > RM500) without paying tax just because i ask seller declare the good as a gift in DHL form
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We are talking about kitbag here. Kitbag will not lower your invoice value and sure as hell wont declare your purchase as a gift.
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declaring lower invoice value will be handy for tax purposes, but will be the exact opposite if the parcel goes missing, as insurance will only cover max up till the declared amount. So if your item is worth RM500 and you declare RM30, you can do the maths... so its a give and take.....risk involved at both ends...
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post May 27 2009, 11:38 PM

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I was abit reluctant to discuss about under declaring goods, as its illegal and when your parcel get stopped by customs, the sender will be blacklisted and the officers will declare a value at their own whims and fancies. Not to mention as what chcher pointed out, when the parcel is lost, your liability to the insurance company is what you declared.
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post May 28 2009, 09:22 AM

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anybody in uk? sweat.gif


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QUOTE(Deadman_Inc @ May 28 2009, 09:22 AM)
anybody in uk?  sweat.gif
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post May 29 2009, 08:28 AM

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its sports world. based in uk.
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post May 29 2009, 11:01 PM

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yeah ebay its dine as most of them will declare under gift. Most of the time registered mail wont go missing but when it does.... haha. Furthermore if you are buying from reputable websites and shops. most of the time they wont even under declare as its againts the law. So Ebay and the other online shops are very different.

Sports world = sports direct. They have been on sale for quite some time When they say from 6.99 usually its double that price for normal kits probably training kits at 6.99 or shorts. Guess i will pop in when i head down there. Sadly their international shipping is crazy

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QUOTE(chcher @ May 27 2009, 06:05 PM)
declaring lower invoice value will be handy for tax purposes, but will be the exact opposite if the parcel goes missing, as insurance will only cover max up till the declared amount. So if your item is worth RM500 and you declare RM30, you can do the maths... so its a give and take.....risk involved at both ends...
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One of the reasons why kitbag are strict on declarations in their invoices is so that they are able to refund back to their customers easily and smoothly.

A good reason to buy from kitbag is, when your parcel goes missing.... kitbag are very easy to refund you back, given that you genuinely didn't receive your parcel at all later.

Opposite to ebay sellers... yes, they can under declare, but they are not easy to refund you back.


QUOTE(giotto @ May 27 2009, 11:38 PM)
I was abit reluctant to discuss about under declaring goods, as its illegal and when your parcel get stopped by customs, the sender will be blacklisted and the officers will declare a value at their own whims and fancies. Not to mention as what chcher pointed out, when the parcel is lost, your liability to the insurance company is what you declared.
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Yes, it is illegal. This is what the mods in LYN football lounge shouldn't allow us to post. So I am against it actually..


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