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post Feb 5 2009, 12:51 PM, updated 17y ago

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Headfi's COMPASS discussion thread (click to poison yourself)

Wondering is there any guys here attracted to this current hit item? tongue.gif

I got poisoned deeply especially with the headamp's quality, the built in miracle surpass audio-gd's own ST-3 single ended headamp which reported outperform Little Dot MKIII headphone amp (selling for USD200 worldwide). I even kick start a quick bulk brows.gif

Basically I think the current intro price is buy a decent headamp and get yourself a FREE decent dac tongue.gif Any comments?

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post Feb 5 2009, 02:07 PM

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yesterday I just read a review about one of it's amp, the C2C, which seems to outperform the LD MKV biggrin.gif

correction: MKV not IV brows.gif

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post Feb 5 2009, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Feb 5 2009, 12:51 PM)
Basically I think the current intro price is buy a decent headamp and get yourself a FREE decent dac tongue.gif  Any comments?
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hmm, the headamp is quite interesting, better than ldmk3 with upgraded tube. aww, i need to sell off my ldmk3 to get this.

im wonder how good is the DAC section?
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post Feb 5 2009, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(xjian1985 @ Feb 5 2009, 02:57 PM)
hmm, the headamp is quite interesting, better than ldmk3 with upgraded tube. aww, i need to sell off my ldmk3 to get this.

im wonder how good is the DAC section?
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I would say very good if the manufacturer's word is true to the fact (COMPASS dac performance on par with DAC100), did audit the DAC100 at forumer ccschua's house together with bro Abel, all of us agreed that it's better than ZERO dac (modded with discrete opamp).
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post Feb 5 2009, 11:57 PM

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modded zero dac? do u mean franken zero version or just plain zero+discrete opamp? hmm.gif
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post Feb 6 2009, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Feb 5 2009, 03:12 PM)
I would say very good if the manufacturer's word is true to the fact (COMPASS dac performance on par with DAC100), did audit the DAC100 at forumer ccschua's house together with bro Abel, all of us agreed that it's better than ZERO dac (modded with discrete opamp).
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even Zero with discrete opamp also cant compare with DAC-100
u already audit this Compass ??
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post Feb 6 2009, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(rioven @ Feb 5 2009, 11:57 PM)
modded zero dac? do u mean franken zero version or just plain zero+discrete opamp? hmm.gif
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ZERO + discrete opamp biggrin.gif Consider soft modded tongue.gif

QUOTE(abel @ Feb 6 2009, 12:39 AM)
even Zero with discrete opamp also cant compare with DAC-100
u already audit this Compass ??
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I didnt audit, that's Kingwa's comment about DAC section of COMPASS is on par with DAC100, this guy been very true to his words laugh.gif Basically the circuit design between these two also quite identical biggrin.gif
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post Feb 15 2009, 11:21 PM

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A lil bit of poison here

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Ok, I spent a couple of hours at a friend's place comparing the Compass to the Benchmark DAC1 as promised. To compare, we used his electrostatic headphone set-up, which alone is probably worth more than all the other electronics we were using put together.

MacBook Pro -> Van Den Hul Optocoupler ->
Compass or DAC 1 ->
Van Den Hul The Orchid interconnects -> Stax SRM-717 -> SR-007
Audio-gd power cables were used with the Benchmark and SRM-717.

The first impression of the set up with the Benchmark is how clear and detailed the sound is with it. With electrostats, there are no questions about clarity, separation or speed, these things are a given, so it's all up to the source to provide the goods.

We listened to some tracks from a binaural Stax demo disk, Chesky demo disk and various tracks from our music libraries.

What was apparent switching to the Compass (with Earth HDAM) was the very black background around the music, as if the sound were floating in a black space. However the music was filling a smaller portion of that space than with the the very open and wide sound that came using the Benchmark, instruments and vocals seeming less spread out and separate. Switching between the Sun and Earth (I'd forgotten to bring the Moon) it was apparent how the Sun has slightly less bass and treble, giving it a more forward and smooth presentation that emphasises the mids.

While it's hard to describe the degree of difference between the two units, if we rate an iPod at 5 and my Northstar at 100, the Nakamichi Dragon DAC gets 120, the Lavry DA-10 and Benchmark DAC 1 come in at 95, the Zero DAC (stock) would be about 60 and the Compass would be an 80.

This is a good example of the law of diminishing returns. I'd say I was quite right that to get a significant upgrade from the Compass, you'd need to spend somewhere around the $1000 mark, which is what the Benchmark and Lavry cost. There are still quite a few DACs which fall in between, however. Audio-gd's Ref 3 DAC at under $800 will predicably beat it too, not to mention their other DACs that use a multi-bit DA processor.


Emmm ... COMPASS's dac section is just lack slight behind a USD1k well reviewed Benchmark DAC-1 ... any guys get seriously poisoned and want to order one? tongue.gif

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post Feb 18 2009, 09:12 PM

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how much and how long to wait? its ready stock?
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post Feb 18 2009, 09:29 PM

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for around 1K, this shit means business.

Good DAC + Discrete Folded Cascode Amplifier, what else can you ask for more?
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post Feb 18 2009, 10:43 PM

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good for head-philer. those feature are killers, mode gain, super mode.

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post Feb 24 2009, 12:37 AM

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Again some poison, this time COMPASS against USD1000 level Meier-Audio Corda Opera smile.gif

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The Audio-gd Compass vs. the Meier-Audio Corda Opera



INTRODUCTION

Thinking about this review beforehand, I realised there are a number of similarities between the two of them. The obvious ones are of course that they are both DAC/Amps from experienced designers with USB input and a pre-amp function (this last one not yet present on my test-version). But the two of them also started out on their "head-fi life" receiving a fair number of reviews from a select group of listeners. In the case of the Corda Opera this was because of Todd's Opera loaner program. In the case of the Compass, it is of course Kingwa's marvellous joint design effort with the people from head-fi.org. In both cases, the programs have generated a lot of extra publicity here for the respective products.

The comparison will consist of listening impressions from the Compass and the Opera separately first (using them as a combined DAC/Amp), followed by impressions of the DAC-out of the Compass fed into the amplifier section of the Opera.


EQUIPMENT AND SETTINGS

Transport
-Digital coax from Pioneer DV-575A. (I know, I desperately need something better than this.) I chose to use this kind of digital input in preference to both USB and optical, both of which invariably resulted in lower sound quality than coax. I'm just trying to show both units in the best possible light.

Cables
- Audio-gd Canare digital coaxial connecting the Pioneer to both the Compass and the Opera
- Audio-gd Shark analog interconnect (Monster plugs) between the DAC-out of the Compass and the analog-in of the Opera
- All equipment was fed by ordinary power cords, with just some minimal peak filtering upstream.

Audio-gd Compass:

Technical details
See Peete's review.

Settings for review
Gain=low (13dB); Amp set to Neutral; Earth opamp installed in DAC section.
Burn-in time since the moment of arrival of the Compass: 320 hours (both amp and opamp)

Meier-Audio Corda Opera:

Technical details:
2 headphone outputs( 0/120 Ohm output impedance ); Maximum output 13V / 500 mA; Gain switch: maximum gain factors -5 / +8 dB; Crossfeed filter switch; 2 pairs of analog inputs, input impedance 12 kOhm; 1 digital S/PDIF input; 1 digital USB-input; 1 pair of volume-controlled preamplifier outputs. Gold-plated input jacks; Silver plated headphone jacks (Neutrik); Silver plated heavy duty switches; Alps Blue potentiometer for volume control; 25 Watts toroidal transformer for the analog section; 7 Watts toroidal transformer for the digital section; 110V and 220V mains power switchable; Power uptake 12 Watts; Built-in groundloop breaker; Schottky rectifying diodes in the power supply; Double regulated voltage lines; Low impedance electrolytic buffer capacitors (Nichicon); Total Buffer capacity 80.000 uF.; Bypass capacitors in the power supply.; Polystyrol and polypropylen capacitors in the signal path; Metalfilm resistors in the signal path; LM6171 opamps biased into class-A using LM334 current sources; 2 BUF634 buffer amplifiers at left and right headphone output channel; (Active) balanced headphone ground; 3 BUF634 buffer amplifiers at the balanced ground headphone output channel; PCM2704 as USB-to-S/PDIF receiver; CS8420 as S/PDIF receiver (in high-jitter-reduction mode); PCM1794 D/A converter-chip; LM6171 opamps biased into class-A for I-V conversion; Sampling frequencies / resolution: 8..96 kHz / 16, 20, 24 bit (S/PDIF);32, 44.1, 48 kHz / 16 bit (USB). Star-grounding; Ultra short signal paths; Signal paths and signal path components at the bottom side of the PCB for maximal shielding. Weight: 3.9 kg. Size: 27.6 x 27.8 x 8,7 cm.

Settings for review
Gain=low (-5dB); Crossfeed=off.; low z (0 ohm) output

Note the exceptional difference in gain between the two amps (-5dB vs. 13dB)! This does clearly illustrate the necessity for a lower gain setting in the Compass (which will be there). You might wonder if it wouldn't be more fair for comparison to put the Opera in high gain (8dB), which would be closer to the Compass's 13 dB. Curiously, the high gain of the Opera has a huge effect on the sound signature of the amp. The soundstage gets 'flattened' to a very high degree and becomes unpleasantly aggressive and direct. Therefore, I decided to use the gain setting which IMO showed the Opera in the best light. (At least with the AKG K500.)

Both units received at least a couple of hours warm-up before review.

Volume matching was done, rather unprofessionally, by ear, using pink noise.

Headphones
- AKG K500 (stock cabling) ('Phones I know and love very well by now.)
- Grado SR-325i (stock cabling) for some tracks.


COMPARISONS

[For those of you who have less time on their hands or lack the stamina to sit through all of my (slightly repetitive) impressions and comparisons. Just scroll down to the discussion and conclusions.]

Dmitri Shostakovich
Symphony No. 15 in A major
1. movement-Allegretto
London Philharmonic Orchestra
Bernard Haitink
(Decca)
As mentioned earlier in this thread, this is my go-to test track. It's a very varied orchestral piece employing every possible sonority and instrument combination you can think of and a variety of percussion. The recording is simply perfect, 1978, representing how brilliant analog recording could be. (Before things took a serious nose-dive in the early 80's in the first years of digital.)

Compass
It's easy to love the way everything is so well-balanced and full-bodied. From the upper high treble detail to the bass focus. Things that strike me as missing however, are a better definition of the woodwind (there is also an impression of sameness to the colour of the instruments)and the soundstage is surprisingly small (although not cramped).

Corda Opera
Everything is really distant compared to the Compass, but this results in a much wider and deeper soundstage. Glockenspiel notes still sing, but on the whole the highs seem muted. Separation is quite good (larger soundstage helps here), but still not as excellent as with the Compass. Excitement really suffers from lack of detail, focus and dynamics. However, the cymbal clashes (rather complex to resolve fully) are handled just as well here as the Compass does. Only they're situated in their proper place at the back of the orchestra now, and not in your ear. Background here seems marginally less quiet.

Compass (DAC) -->Corda Opera
Oooh, that really solves the muddiness. Things are still far more distant than with the Compass alone, with more soundstage. Although the last is a bit reduced compared to the Opera alone, that frustrating lack of detail is gone at least. That said, the upper range is still missing that last bit of definition, and what's even more strikingly absent is that sheer excitement and impact that the dynamics and directness of the Compass brings when used on its own. However, things are probably much more natural this way.
The difference between the Compass and the Opera is somewhat like standing in the middle of the orchestra (Compass) and standing at the back of the hall, perhaps even under an overhanging balcony (Corda Opera). Combining the two puts you right in the middle of the hall.



Antonio Vivaldi
Concerto for two mandolins in C major RV558
1. movement: Allegro molto
Il Giardino Armonico, Milano
Giovanni Antonini
(Teldec)
Il Giardino Armonico must be one of the best things to have happened to HIP (Historically Informed Performance) practice. Particularly when they're playing the music of a compatriot. Going all out, bringing passion and aggression in equal measure and not afraid to push their instruments to the limit. Nice clear and balanced recording, as expected from this label.

Compass
Plenty of excitement, although the amount of detail can become a bit overwhelming when it's presented in such a forward way. All that authentic string sound can develop a tendency to become harsh, although partially at least this is sheer honesty on the part of the Compass. There is some smear in the mandolin sound, the fast notes are not as well defined as they should be and have a tendency to run together. But wow, gotta love those dynamics!

Corda Opera
This is certainly the more relaxing listen. The difference in soundstage is quite noticeable, but far less so than with larger orchestral pieces. Funny, you don't really miss the detail here, although obviously a lot of it is lacking. What is most remarkable here is the sameness in the colour of the instruments, both in the strings and in the woodwind. Everything feels fed through a rather cheap cd player. A definite lack of sparkle. This is also noticeable in the repeated plucked strings of the mandolin, which, however, don't smear here.

Compass (DAC) --> Corda Opera
More direct, slightly less soundstage. Still, unfortunately, too much detail is absent. It just lacks the bite that is needed. The fast mandolin notes are much, much better articulated here, than with the Compass alone though. Instrument colour has significantly improved, but is not up to the level of the Compass alone.



Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Symphony No.40 in G minor, KV550
3. movement: Menuetto-Trio
Prague Chamber Orchestra
Charles Mackerras
(Telarc)
Moderately paced music for small orchestra. The recording is a rather problematic one. It's recorded very well, but in a very resonant acoustic which is almost impossible to resolve fully. Yet, in my experience, it's a very good test for the quality of equipment to see how far it gets in resolving it.

Compass
Soundstage is pretty well-defined, although very underrepresented. Strings are nicely detailed, but somewhat "tizzy" (sibilance?), making them a bit uncomfortable. Resolving this acoustic to the degree that it does is no small feat, although instrument separation is still far from ideal. Horns are good, but do develop some slight grain. The harpsichord continuo is nicely separate from the rest of the orchestra, but lacks that last bit of focus. Background is very quiet.

Corda Opera
It certainly manages to paint the big picture convincingly, but detail, focus and especially separation are all far from ideal. Horns sound simply horrible, no brassy sheen to them at all. The harpsichord continuo can be made out, but isn't well separated from the rest of the orchestra.

Compass (DAC)--> Corda Opera
A nice balance again, although the true acoustic of the venue is still a little underrepresented. Horns are remarkably better. The continuo stands nicely separate and is fairly well focussed. However, when it comes to instrument separation the Compass solo still scored the best.



Ludwig van Beethoven
String quartet in F minor, Op. 95
3. movement: Allegro assai vivace, ma serioso
Gewandhaus-Quartett
(NCA)
Rather fast and aggressive string quartet movement, with quick stops and turns. The recording is quite direct, but very detailed.

Compass
Not much of a soundstage, although decay is well reproduced. There's a lot of definition to the strings and separation is just right. However, there is a hint of sameness to the sound, perhaps caused by a that last touch of warmth that's missing from the presentation. Highs are so well-defined as to border on the abrasive, but not yet uncomfortably so.

Corda Opera
Quite a bit more soundstage and an even better reproduction of decay. Strings are more pleasantly rounded, but not so that you might feel that detail is missing. That said, it does have a slight muted or stifled quality to it. Separation is not very good, but okay. There is still a similar sameness to the colour of the strings. Overall a very good result from what's, up till now, proving to be the underachieving DAC.

Compass (DAC) --> Corda Opera
Wow, soundstage and separation both strike you as much better from the get-go. Even the decay has more structure to it, like you can even discern the shape of the hall. There's much more space between the instruments and individual colour of the instruments registers much more clearly.
Still, compared to the Compass solo, a tiny bit of detail might still be missing, although the extra warmth here is a welcome compensation. The well-defined dynamics here also make this the most exciting listen of the three.



César Franck
Pièce Heroïque, in B minor
Jean Guillou
(Dorian)
A short late 19th century piece for organ, quite varied in nature going from ruminative to....well...heroic. Jean Guillou pulls out all the stops here (ok, I just had to say that), probably using a greater variety of different registrations than good taste would allow. (I love it.) The Van den Heuvel organ of St Eustache in Paris is a lovely monster, quite recently build (1989). Certainly, going by the sound alone, it's almost indistinguishable from the late 19th century Cavaillé-Coll organ building tradition.
In my opinion, reproducing the sound of a big 19 century-style organ well is one of the greatest challenges you can give any piece of HiFi equipment. The complexity of sonorities, the intricacies of the higher harmonics, the enormous dynamic and tonal range and the very resonant venues present a truly daunting task.

Compass
You gotta love this degree of definition. Voices are very nicely separate. However, it's only in the quieter passages that you get some sense of the huge acoustic this is recorded in. It feels rather like a small chapel. (And it isn't. Less than two months ago I happened to walk past this church in Paris. It's frickin' huge!) As usual there is a hint of sameness to instrument colour.

Corda Opera
So much detail is missing here and there's a distinct lack of separation as well. The result is relatively "woolly" and diffuse. There is a better sense here of how large the church actually is, but also in this respect the real definition of the acoustics is seriously lacking. The lowest notes (always a challenge, certainly through headphones) are just laughably badly reproduced. Not much more than some vague rumbling. And all that sparkle that the 'brass' registers should bring is hardly present either.

Compass (DAC) --> Corda Opera
Now you're at a larger distance from the organ. It's only this combination that manages to paint a truly 3-dimensional picture. After all, this organ is a huge beast, not all the registers should sound like they emanate from the same point. Voices really float in the air now, something I did not hear previously, and there's quite a bit more colour to them too. Even the lowest notes are 'gripped' rather well. You can clearly make out those first 'huffs' of air being blown through the pipes at the start of each note. So much more dynamics too, and finally you can hear the true size of the venue.
And yet, even here there's still that difficulty in resolving the complex upper harmonics that can really put that thrilling sparkle on the Trumpet registers. Quite an achievement nonetheless.



Richard Strauss
Die Frau ohne Schatten-"Nun wil ich jubeln"
Julia Varady, Hildegard Behrens, Plácido Domingo, José van Dam
Konzertvereinigung Wiener Staatsopernchor
Wiener Philharmoniker
Georg Solti
(Decca)
The finale of the opera. Two sopranos, a tenor and a baritone singing their hearts out with a small choir and a huge orchestra in full swing thrown in for good measure. General neo-Romantic operatic mayhem.

Compass
Decent separation all around, but the whole thing does appear very "compacted", like it takes place in a large living room and not the huge Grosser Saal of the Vienna Konzerthaus. There is a little grain to the voices as well, particularly noticeable with the baritone. Details in the orchestra don't really jump out at you as they should.

Corda Opera
All of a sudden, everything has a place in a much larger soundstage. Interestingly, although the soundstage has widened to a large extent, it is not really any deeper (this is probably simply not resolved). Still, there's at least the sensation of better resolution, simply because things have more "Lebensraum". Unfortunately, there's an overall glare to it that rather appears to obscure detail too.

Compass (DAC)--> Corda Opera
Soundstage is not necessarily wider than with the Opera alone, but depth (a little) and resolution (a lot) have improved. And that annoying "blanket" of glare has completely disappeared. This still remains a horribly complex recording to resolve fully, but the combo is simply miles better than the single units. Separation in the orchestra is much higher, although, compared to the Compass solo, there might be a smidgen less detail. Instrument colour is here far and away the best of the three too.



Claude Debussy
Preludes (Livre I)-La cathédrale engloutie
Krystian Zimerman
(Deutsche Grammophon)
This piece for solo piano describes the legend of Ys, where a cathedral that lies sunken off the Breton coast of France. On clear mornings it rises up from the water and the music of the organ and the ghostly Gregorian chant of the monks can be heard. It explores the full dynamic and tonal range of the piano.

Compass
The notes have weight and definition, but lack a little sparkle. The decay sounds way too thick/dense to be entirely natural. There's a fairly decent amount of "growl" to the lower notes. Again, the slight lack of warmth is also noticeable, just as that sameness in instrumental colouring. And lower notes do seem to lack that last bit of grip and definition.

Corda Opera
The opening notes seem to 'float' far less than they do with the Compass. Acoustic cues are all there, but seem 'glued' to the sound of the piano. The upper range of the piano lacks all true sparkle, almost (but not quite) as if the lid of the piano is closed. Lower sonorities are simply vague and there appears to be less 'blackness' to the background as well.

Compass (DAC) --> Corda Opera
Now there's a much better sense of the acoustics and there's simply a lot more of it too. It stands far more separate from the sound of the piano, although it's still not quite ideal. Both separation and definition in the sound of the piano itself have hugely increased. In retrospect, I only now notice how notes do not have that tendency to "run together", like they had with both the units on their own. There's a lovely weight to the notes now, you can really clearly hear the sound of the hammers hitting the strings. And yet, some of the sparkle that should be here is absent or muted (the Compass alone, though still not ideal, does this better).



Francis Poulenc
Figure humaine-"Liberté"
Netherlands Chamber Choir
Eric Ericson
(Globe)
A medium-paced piece for chamber choir. The text is a poem by Paul Eluard, an ode to liberty, poignantly set to music by Poulenc in occupied France (1943). The piece, set for two 6-part choirs, is rather taxing on the choir as a whole and particularly on the sopranos whose vocal line keeps rising towards the end, culminating in a solo high E (above high C).

Compass
Certainly not as direct a presentation as you might expect from previous impressions. There is a lack of individual colour to the singers. They are fairly well separated, but not to the extent that it becomes easy to pinpoint the individuals. The acoustics are not that well separated from the choir. The sound of the sopranos, however taxed, does never become harsh.

Corda Opera
Choir is very distant. Separation is rather comparable to that of the Compass, but, as usual, detail over the whole range (mainly mids and highs) is lost. The choir here is noticeably less "clustered", although it is still not possible to pinpoint the individuals with any ease. There is an uncomfortable glare in the sopranos, especially towards the end. The final high E just fails to send that shiver down your spine like it should (and does with the Compass).

Compass (DAC) --> Corda Opera
It's amazing what this does for ease of listening. Everything takes place in a much larger acoustic, but also against a really black background. Finally, here you can easily pinpoint the individual singers, but it is most of all the absence of all that glare that makes this a much more enjoyable experience. Individual dynamics of the singers com through amazingly well. And that high E really hits the spot.



Interlude
In the following selections I will be using both the AKG K500 and the Grado SR-325i. However, the most important impressions will always come from the K500, because they make any limitations in the reproduction much more apparent than the Grado's do. The Grado's are simply too forgiving of both source and amplification. The AKG's were obviously designed with the recording studio in mind, the Grado's just for enjoying music. But I included them so some of you who might be interested can get an impression of how they work with the Compass.



Frank Zappa
You Are What You Is
Track 4: Goblin Girl
(Rykodisc-Latest (1998) remaster)
I don't think I've heard 'amplified music' (I'll keep using this term throughout, it will come in handy later) ever better recorded than by Frank. The guy was truly a universal genius in all aspects of music. The album "You Are What You Is" is simply a miracle of overdubbing done well. There's no end to the details you can discover here. And the song Goblin Girl is no exception.

Compass
Focus, punch, definition and separation, it's all there. Drums come through very nicely separate from everything else, situated at the back. It's just the bass that could be focussed a little better (but the K500 could be partially to blame here).

Corda Opera
This takes you quite a few steps back in distance to the music. Some of panning effects do have some more soundstage here to develop and sound more 3-dimensional. But overall the sound is very muted, much less detailed, much less engaging.

Compass (DAC) --> Corda Opera
Well, that appears to get rid of most of the muddiness. And the resolution of the complexity is now really benefiting from the larger soundstage. Still, this doesn't really compensate for the loss of detail when compared to the Compass solo. The whole thing feels underplayed and a little dull.

Grado impressions
Little to say here. Details gets a big boost, but you have to hand in almost all of the 3-dimensionality. They obviously sound most detailed and engaging from the Compass.



Genesis
A Trick of the Tail
Track 7: A Trick of the Tail
(Virgin-2007 remaster)
SACD-layer
Just some rather slickly produced prog-rock in quite a decent remastering. I'm using the SACD-layer here, so this comes straight from the analog outs of my Pioneer player. (Thank goodness that it's miles better at playing SACD's than it performs with ordinary redbook.) So, this just tests the difference between the amps.

Compass (amp)
There's not a whole lot of soundstage here, but a whole lot of detail and bite to every instrument and even the vocal lines. All the transients are really expertly handled.

Corda Opera (amp)
The canvas gains enormously in width and depth. Everything is very nicely separate, but there's a frustrating lack of detail, particularly in the high treble.

Grado impressions
Nothing surprising here. The 325i's just add their typical Gradoishness and basically show the AKG's just how it should be done with this music almost all areas (that is, apart from the soundstage, of course). The same differences between the two amps as noted with the AKG's can also be heard with the Grado's, but are a lot smaller due to the forgiving nature of the Grado's.



Wintersun
Wintersun
Track 2: Winter madness
(Nuclear Blast)
Now what kind of label do we put on this? For now "progressive Viking metal" will have to do. Fast, hardhitting, melodic and very intricate and multilayered. Pair this with a slightly less than perfect recording and any setup will have hard job deciphering it all.

Compass
An amazing number of details manage to come through. All those fast guitar riffs, synth-lines (hey, there's even a harp in there, rather hard to make out). However, it's hard to escape the creeping feeling that the K500's have serious problems keeping up with all of this.

Corda Opera
Funny, this is probably the first time that a noticeable change in soundstage does not occur when switching to the Opera. The harp comes through a little better now, but unfortunately detail on the whole really suffers and the bass becomes rather unfocussed and thumpy. Yup, dullness is here again. (Something that really shouldn't be happening with this music.) Even Jari's amazing shredding is not very involving.

Compass (DAC) --> Corda Opera
Surprisingly, this is almost worse. Everything has cleared up quite a bit (although the harp has slightly less focus), but the serious lack of detail remains. And it feels so much less involving than it actually should.

Grado impressions
It's amazing what the Grado's manage to do here in terms of definition and PRaT. But also Jari's voice gets that lovely raspiness (an acquired taste, maybe) that the AKG's just do not convey. Everything points to one thing: this stuffs just too fast for the AKG's. The Compass is here again far and away the best and most exciting performer. For the first time you can actually hear the harp playing throughout the song, instead of just at the beginning.



DISCUSSION

This is going to a bit sloppy, because I'm still trying to interpret all the things I heard throughout trying these different samples of music. The order in which I put the different pieces is the same as the order in which I listened to them.

In the first part of the listening sessions, using all sorts of classical music (unamplified music), things really looked like they were pretty going to be reasonably clear cut. The worst performance was almost invariably by the Corda Opera solo. Combining the DAC section of the Compass with the amp section of the Corda Opera, clearly showed where the problem was. The DAC in the Corda Opera is just not very good. Actually I'm rather shocked how badly it performed with certain recordings. Reports about the quality of the Corda Opera DAC have varied throughout reviews, some calling it 'only of average quality', others characterizing it as at least the equal of the DAC section in most 500-700$ cd players. As can be seen by the design specs above, this DAC certainly was not an afterthought. Moreover, it benefits from a dedicated power supply, something the DAC in the Compass does not have. So it's rather surprising how little detail it often manages to lift from recordings. And, even worse, how often it seems to suffer from a general 'digital' glare in the upper range. Generally, the impressions in that first section also seem to point to the Compass amp being less satisfying in than that of the Opera. The Compass amp occasionally seemed to marginally best the Opera amp when it came to detail, but with regard to soundstage, separation, acoustic cues and instrument colour the Opera amp proved clearly the superior one.

It proved rather surprising towards the end to switch to recordings of amplified music. Suddenly the tables seemed almost completely turned. The Compass amp invariably outperforming that of the Corda Opera in detail, PRaT and involvement.

Well, this proved rather educational. Probably the primary difference between these two 'groups' of music (amplified and unamplified) is the far greater complexity of the soundstage information that has to be resolved in the recordings of unamplified music. But it appears that this particular element has major consequences for the reproduction of other aspects of the recording. Throughout the unamplified samples the Compass amp seemed the less resolving one, however, listening to the amplified music proved this not to be a black and white thing. It appears that the size of the soundstage an amp manages to paint has a very strong impact on the resolution that can take place in this soundstage. (Who knows, there might even be a positive effect on the characterization of instrument colour.) It's interesting to hear these things so clear featured here as trade-offs.

So why do these amps sound so different?

The mystery that is gain
One of the most striking features in the differences in specs between these amps is the gain factor. The Compass low gain is at 13 dB (that is , in the test versions, in the new version it will be 9dB). Now note the difference with the Corda Opera which has a low gain of -5dB! This appears to be a feature of all higher end stuff from Jan Meier. The Symphony has a low gain of -7dB, the Cantate has one of -9.7 dB. Many people have complained that those amps don't go loud enough with their headphones, although personally I can't imagine anyone wanting to play their 'phones at such ear-demolishing levels. However it may be, Jan Meier has not increased the gain factor in these amps because of this. So there must be a reason for it. Partially at least, this will be the lower noise floor that lower gain brings. Lower gain means less amplification of those things that you don't want amplified in the first place. But there might be another thing... Switching the gain on the Corda Opera not just effects volume, it has a huge effect on the sound characteristic. It almost completely flattens the soundstage and has a rather crude "loudness" effect on the sound quality as a whole. All in all, it sounds like a different amp. (For those doubting these impressions. Really, I assure you when you switch to high gain on the Opera you will search in vain for the sound signature you heard on low gain anywhere on the volume dial.) So if gain influences sound signature to such a degree on the Corda Opera, would it do the same for the amp of the Compass? I haven't got a clue on this one, but suddenly I get the urge of asking Kingwa for a version where low gain is set to -5dB or so.

Through all of this I've hardly said anything about the DAC section of the Compass. No doubt this is a consequence of the fact that it's much easier to write a review about things you don't like, than about things you do like. And that's the way it is with the Compass DAC: there's nothing not to like about it. It sounds full, detailed and (most importantly) completely natural and organic. It would be a fitting component of any DAC-amp costing up to 1500$. At its actual price it's a steal. (And that's not even considering the versatility that comes from 'opamp-rolling'.)



CONCLUSIONS

The Compass is simply amazing. It pairs a DAC that simply can't do anything wrong with a gorgeously detailed and exciting amp section. To sell such a thing at just 400$ (let alone 258$) should be illegal. The Corda Opera DAC, on the whole, can't even decently be compared with that of the Compass, the Compass DAC is so much better they're in completely different leagues. When comparing the two amp sections things become far less clear cut. The Compass being more direct, detailed and exciting with anything that doesn't really need a large soundstage, the Corda Opera rather special with anything in the unamplified domain. (But frankly, the smaller soundstage of the Compass amp wouldn't worry me too much, unless almost all of my listening would be big orchestral repertoire.)

Afterthoughts

If you think my review is much more negative in tone than that of Peete's (for example), this may be true in a way. The important difference to note here that Peete was for a large part describing his listening experience and enjoyment of the Compass. And in this way coming much closer to a description of what the Compass would be like in ordinary daily use. For my review I've just done critical listening, mainly noting down what was still wrong or left room for improvement. Don't think for a moment that I'm not enjoying the Compass immensely when I'm simply listening to music with it.

Keep in mind with all of the above, that comparison was made with both an amp (Corda Opera) that's renowned for excelling at soundstage and a set of headphones (K500) that has a soundstage just this side of the K1000. Throw the two together and practically anything else will come up short in this department in comparison. Also, I used the Earth opamp throughout the review. The Earth is known for neutrality, but not for its large soundstage. For more details on that I might experiment more in the future with Sun and Moon. (That said, the difference between the amps remains, of course, because I did test them both fed by the same Compass DAC.)

Miscellaneous impressions
I don't really like that locking Neutrik jack. There, I said it. It's not that I don't enjoy the extra security such a connection gives, but I just don't see why this is so much better than the Neutrik combo-jacks used on the Corda Opera. They seem to grip the plug just as securely and don't have that annoying red lever that you have to push all the time when removing the plug.

There actually is a noticeable hum to the power supply of the Compass. However, it's not really annoying and it's doubtful if you would ever notice it while wearing headphones. In fact, I only noticed that it was actually still audible at half a meter distance when I switched off my computer to do the review-listening.

Well, that's it for now. Constructive criticism will be appreciated.
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too bad their DAC-8 is just too gargantuos and heavy sad.gif
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too bad their DAC-8 is just too gargantuos and heavy sad.gif
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Nah, not only the shipping would cost a bomb, I have no space to put such a giant piece of equipment. sweat.gif
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All diam diam? How's you guys' first impression?
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ya I too would like to know how their compass perform. Arghh cant get my head off the DAC8/REFERENCE1 cry.gif

godluvsxs, with the REF1's size and weight, can avoid kastam or not? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Sieg @ Mar 27 2009, 12:11 AM)
ya I too would like to know how their compass perform. Arghh cant get my head of the DAC8/REFERENCE1 cry.gif

godluvsxs, with the REF1's size and weight, can avoid kastam or not? hmm.gif


Added on March 27, 2009, 12:12 amya I too would like to know how their compass perform. Arghh cant get my head off the DAC8/REFERENCE1 cry.gif

godluvsxs, with the REF1's size and weight, can avoid kastam or not? hmm.gif
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1st impression..compass quite boost bass a bit..more refined than zero dac...n much2 powerful. havent test it properly..since my ear not sensitive enough to hear difference..n perhaps let it 'burn-in' a while
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Lets start of with some pictures first... tongue.gif

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First impression:

So this is what they call an eargasm! Previously I was listening to my headphones from my laptop's soundcard which I thought was sufficient. After getting poisoned at head-fi, (why does it all start there? biggrin.gif ) I decided to make the jump to get my first dac and amp combo.

Listening to it for the first time blasted holes through the my integrated soundcard. Previously the sound was limp or thin if you will and slightly harsh (siblant?) but now the sound is fuller with better bass (bass extension?) and smoother midrange and treble. Since this is my first dac and amp, I can't say much but I do know that the sound has sort of widened up. To put it in pictures, listening to my soundcard feels like listening to a concert in an alleyway while when I'm listening to the same song on the compass, it feels like I'm now sitting in an auditorium. I suppose this is what audiophiles refer to as the soundstage. laugh.gif

Comments and criticisms are welcome.
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what does the super button do?? biggrin.gif
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i think for bypass..for analog signal in
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hehhe rioven when wanna come for gathering with Compass? brows.gif

all look for rioven liao hahhahah
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 27 2009, 11:09 AM)
rioven... when u free to come my house??? brows.gif
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hehhe rioven when wanna come for gathering with Compass? brows.gif

all look for rioven liao hahhahah
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mari-mari....tomorrow meet with EFN.
rioven do come also..bring ur big a** DAC and notebook also..tongue.gif
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the compass is really great. i could even use my ipod as the source by using the super mode. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 27 2009, 11:09 AM)
rioven... when u free to come my house??? brows.gif
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QUOTE(CV6149 @ Mar 27 2009, 12:30 PM)
hehhe rioven when wanna come for gathering with Compass? brows.gif

all look for rioven liao hahhahah
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dont worry..i will bring both..we just need super long table laugh.gif
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Great bro!!
thanks!! mana mau cari meja aaaaa
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wow,, i jsut tried the soft1 setting with the jumper. it match well with my ksc-75. great DAC i would say. thumbup.gif

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Anymore impression after some decent burn in? Guys over headfi reporting much improve sound quality after some burn in
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mine is still burning in right now, the bass still a bit boomy for my hd600. really hope it would improve after the burning in session. biggrin.gif by the way, you guys use this compass with USB line or optical or coaxial line int? which of the three has the best SQ?
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QUOTE(Dybre @ Apr 2 2009, 03:00 PM)
mine is still burning in right now, the bass still a bit boomy for my hd600. really hope it would improve after the burning in session.  biggrin.gif by the way, you guys use this compass with USB line or optical or coaxial line int? which of the three has the best SQ?
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Optical and coax supposed to be better sounding than USB. If bass still abit boomy for HD600, just switch the headamp to bright mode ...
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Apr 2 2009, 06:54 PM)
Optical and coax supposed to be better sounding than USB. If bass still abit boomy for HD600, just switch the headamp to bright mode ...
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i have switch to bright mode, it is still too boomy for my taste. haha.. i could hear an improvement after some burning in. i hope it could be much better after 500 hours. biggrin.gif

hey godluv, any chance of bringing the XLO power cord again. i wanna get them from you, damn i missed the chance last time. cry.gif
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i have switch to bright mode, it is still too boomy for my taste. haha.. i could hear an improvement after some burning in. i hope it could be much better after 500 hours.  biggrin.gif

hey godluv, any chance of bringing the XLO power cord again. i wanna get them from you, damn i missed the chance last time.  cry.gif
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Got another power cord coming in ... this time seems more promising than last one, although not branded, but material used aint cheapo, 6n copper conductor inside + plug and socket's connecting pins are made of 4n copper smile.gif I can quite firm to assure that you wont find any power cord with that price tag (less RM200) comes with quality material as this! Those branded copper contact plug and socket alone would cost more than this pair of power cord tongue.gif

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would it be cheaper than XLO that you brought last time? XLO seems quite promising. from the brand at least. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Apr 2 2009, 10:43 AM)
Anymore impression after some decent burn in? Guys over headfi reporting much improve sound quality after some burn in
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Just received mine yesterday night. Your impression are just the same. For my K702, the bass is still not that refine.

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QUOTE(greenarrow2k6 @ Apr 3 2009, 09:41 PM)
Just received mine yesterday night. Your impression are just the same. For my K702, the bass is still not that refine.

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i just open my box yesterday, although already received last week while i was outstation.
yup also agree that the bass is not that refine. going to have a long burn-in process.
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the new faceplate looks neat. smile.gif my compass seems like boosting the bass. what yours guys? do you feel the same?
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IMHO the faceplate doesn't really make much of a difference now especially when you're listening to your music. I doubt most people will have the time to be staring at their compass'. smile.gif
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hey bro, how's ur compass? could you solve the imbalance problem?
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We're still in the midst of finding the source of the problem.
The only thing I can do right now is to let it burn it in while waiting for GodLuvSxS to find a solution.
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my compass is getting better and better each day, the bass seems to calm down a bit. it is not as bloated as when i received them. thumbup.gif what about urs guys?
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my compass only reach 30+ hours until now.
running on MOON + Bright setting. testing with k701, hd600, ms2i
will try with EARTH after finish burn-in MOON. target is to reach 600 hours, but some Headfi ppl claim after 900+ hours still give improvement.

compare the DAC part to iBasso D1, is more details, yet musical. compass able to bring out more details of mid.

compare the amp part to LDMK3, i found the compass is more refine and have better control of low.
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xijan...why u dont burn in in soft2?? soft2 can burn in all other sound setting...
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anyone have compare this with tube headamp?
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This is a solid DAC amp. It won't sounds like tube amp.
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lol i wonder how this would stack up against my musiland

i think it would win =( and i spent 358aud bucks on it.

musiland has got a sucky amp
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lol i wonder how this would stack up against my musiland

i think it would win =( and i spent 358aud bucks on it.

musiland has got a sucky amp
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should do compare side by side. brows.gif

by the way, guys, how's your burning process? can do some review about the improvement? mine is still in burning process right now. there are around 10 people owning this DAC right now. why only about 3 or 4 people showing up in this thread. sad.gif
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Anyone here interested in a brand new unopened unit of the Compass?

RM1050 stock unit. EDIT: Unit is on the way on EMS. so it should arrive in a few days. My friend was not clear with me about that. I thought it's in m'sia.

My friend got it and he had to pursue something else before the item arrived so he doesnt need it anymore. =.=

Good choice if you don't want to wait.

EDIT: COD at cheras

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Anyone of you use it with hifi instead of cans? Hows the sound?
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Apr 13 2009, 03:52 PM)
Anyone here interested in a brand new unopened unit of the Compass?

RM1050 stock unit. EDIT: Unit is on the way on EMS. so it should arrive in a few days. My friend was not clear with me about that. I thought it's in m'sia.

My friend got it and he had to pursue something else before the item arrived so he doesnt need it anymore. =.=

Good choice if you don't want to wait.

EDIT: COD at cheras
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Apr 13 2009, 03:52 PM)
Anyone here interested in a brand new unopened unit of the Compass?

RM1050 stock unit. EDIT: Unit is on the way on EMS. so it should arrive in a few days. My friend was not clear with me about that. I thought it's in m'sia.

My friend got it and he had to pursue something else before the item arrived so he doesnt need it anymore. =.=

Good choice if you don't want to wait.

EDIT: COD at cheras
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QUOTE(Dybre @ Apr 13 2009, 02:33 PM)
should do compare side by side.  brows.gif

by the way, guys, how's your burning process? can do some review about the improvement? mine is still in burning process right now. there are around 10 people owning this DAC right now. why only about 3 or 4 people showing up in this thread.  sad.gif
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compass owner..ayone played with asio4all? it seems i have static noise when played with asio4all..
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QUOTE(rioven @ Apr 16 2009, 11:50 PM)
compass owner..ayone played with asio4all? it seems i have static noise when played with asio4all..
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i normally use kernal streaming.
just now i tried with asio4all, it also work fine. no static.
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compass owner..ayone played with asio4all? it seems i have static noise when played with asio4all..
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use this

much better than asio4all

http://www.usb-audio.com/

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guys, how's ur compass doing? today i just tried to pair my compass with T-amp through the pre-amp, WOW... compass is so powerful, i turn the volume for about 1/6 of the full volume only, the sound is so loud for my celestion. thumbup.gif
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这次试听,Compass的设置是最中性的设置,(Bright实际上是中性,之前考虑到购买Compass 的可能是入门级的爱好者,因此稍柔化一点而标为 Neutral,但实际上外国的测试者一下就区别出来,因此加入Bright,这个才是真正的中性)。


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interesting, seems like the "Bright" is the most neutral setting while "Neutral" actually isn't neutral??
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QUOTE(xjian1985 @ Apr 23 2009, 05:37 PM)
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interesting, seems like the "Bright" is the most neutral setting while "Neutral" actually isn't neutral??
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guys, how's ur compass doing? today i just tried to pair my compass with T-amp through the pre-amp, WOW... compass is so powerful, i turn the volume for about 1/6 of the full volume only, the sound is so loud for my celestion.  thumbup.gif
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Hi Dybre,

Besides the volume, is there any change in sound quality? What is your opinion on the difference, with and without the Compass?

Appreciate your comments.

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^^ i cant try the power amp without the compass, i dont have external sound card and i'm using laptop as source right now. hmm.. but i could tell that the preamp adds a cleaner sound to the power amp and adds more power to the volume. i tried to pair the power amp through the dac line out, the sound is kinda dark and so boomy through the dac line out, so i like to use the pre-amp function. as it is kinda neutral sound. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Dybre @ Apr 23 2009, 07:09 PM)
^^ i cant try the power amp without the compass, i dont have external sound card and i'm using laptop as source right now. hmm.. but i could tell that the preamp adds a cleaner sound to the power amp and adds more power to the volume. i tried to pair the power amp through the dac line out, the sound is kinda dark and so boomy through the dac line out, so i like to use the pre-amp function. as it is kinda neutral sound.  thumbup.gif
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Your notebook has a 3.5mm headphone jack, right?

Can't u use the 3.5mm jack to 2 RCA connectors & connect directly to the T-Amp? And then try connecting wt the Compass in between?
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Your notebook has a 3.5mm headphone jack, right?

Can't u use the 3.5mm jack to 2 RCA connectors & connect directly to the T-Amp? And then try connecting wt the Compass in between?
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havent tried before. dont have the mini to RCA cable. would try and let you know later.. smile.gif
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mine compass reach 180 hours mark, found that it lack of spark in high with my HD600...
Ms2i sound quite nice with compass...in fact, my ms2i never sound so good before, now just lack of sound stage only.

will continue to see the changes...

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Got mine C2C just now

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yeah, my hd600 too. but it begun to open up after some burning in.
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QUOTE(squall343 @ Apr 25 2009, 12:19 AM)
Got mine C2C just now

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eh,i saw citypulse 2.03e there!how is it compare to this compas??
i keep thinking want to get this compas or not..i already own citypulse..
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eh,i saw citypulse 2.03e there!how is it compare to this compas??
i keep thinking want to get this compas or not..i already own citypulse..
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fyi, C2C is only headphone amp, no DAC.

since you already have citypulse, i doubt that the difference will not big, why not go for a higher end DAC from audio-gd? brows.gif
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QUOTE(xjian1985 @ Apr 25 2009, 10:18 AM)
fyi, C2C is only headphone amp, no DAC.

since you already have citypulse, i doubt that the difference will not big, why not go for a higher end DAC from audio-gd?  brows.gif
DAC Reference One  drool.gif 
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already order the dac19mk3 1 week ago

was told they will only be able to ship in May

not getting the ref 1 because no usb rclxms.gif


Added on April 25, 2009, 1:33 pm
QUOTE(TeOtq @ Apr 25 2009, 07:16 AM)
eh,i saw citypulse 2.03e there!how is it compare to this compas??
i keep thinking want to get this compas or not..i already own citypulse..
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this one is the C2C not compass

But headphone out of the citypulse is rather weak therefore no fight with this C2C

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Anybody have any idea about Cambridge Audio DacMagic, new version also support USB. I read they compare it with Bechmark DAC1, the DacMagic have SQL near like Bechmark DAC1.

But Bechmark DAC1 accept more than 44.1/16 through the USB interface compare than DacMagic 16 bit only.
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My COMPASS is getting sweeter day by day ... how about you guys? Hope you guys are diam diam in enjoying it rather than diam diam and feeling not worth the effort to critique it LOL


Added on May 7, 2009, 4:41 pm
QUOTE(xjian1985 @ Apr 24 2009, 11:05 PM)
mine compass reach 180 hours mark, found that it lack of spark in high with my HD600...
Ms2i sound quite nice with compass...in fact, my ms2i never sound so good before, now just lack of sound stage only.

will continue to see the changes...
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QUOTE(Dybre @ Apr 25 2009, 01:41 AM)
yeah, my hd600 too. but it begun to open up after some burning in.
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Personally I think although it's lack of spark in high, but for sure it's detailed yet smooth, it helps alot in playing some not so well record album smile.gif

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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ May 7 2009, 05:38 PM)
My COMPASS is getting sweeter day by day ... how about you guys? Hope you guys are diam diam in enjoying it rather than diam diam and feeling not worth the effort to critique it LOL


Added on May 7, 2009, 4:41 pm
Personally I think although it's lack of spark in high, but for sure it's detailed yet smooth, it helps alot in playing some not so well record album smile.gif
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yeah,, mine too.. by the way, i was wondering what cans do you use to pair with compass?



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yeah,, mine too.. by the way, i was wondering what cans do you use to pair with compass?
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Just the entry philips SHP895, mainly attached to my aego 2 ... will slowly build the whole setup around the COMPASS biggrin.gif
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Just the entry philips SHP895, mainly attached to my aego 2 ... will slowly build the whole setup around the COMPASS biggrin.gif
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hey you remind me that i still have a SHP895 keeping in the box, will try it with compass later when i get back home.

My COMPASS is around 250+ hours. i find that it has gain back some spark in high, now the bass seems to be settle down and not so boomy.
with the compass, some times when i listen to some old familiar songs, it manage to gives me new experience, wow this songs can sounds in this way which is good to me.

some question on the volume knob, i found that mine volume knob turn after 1'o clock, the volume seem not increasing.
any how, is not important since it can drive my headphone to my listening level at 10 - 11.
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wah so loud..i always set at 9..sometimes at 10 (with beyer)...11-12..i called it insane shakehead.gif ..we need to take care our ear..before its too late thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(xjian1985 @ May 7 2009, 06:01 PM)
hey you remind me that i still have a SHP895 keeping in the box, will try it with compass later when i get back home.

My COMPASS is around 250+ hours. i find that it has gain back some spark in high, now the bass seems to be settle down and not so boomy.
with the compass, some times when i listen to some old familiar songs, it manage to gives me new experience, wow this songs can sounds in this way which is good to me.

some question on the volume knob, i found that mine volume knob turn after 1'o clock, the volume seem not increasing.
any how, is not important since it can drive my headphone to my listening level at 10 - 11.
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I think your COMPASS's sound should settle down very soon, Mr. Kingwa mentioned his discrete opamp needs 250 - 400 hours biggrin.gif

QUOTE(rioven @ May 7 2009, 07:01 PM)
wah so loud..i always set at 9..sometimes at 10 (with beyer)...11-12..i called it insane shakehead.gif ..we need to take care our ear..before its too late  thumbup.gif
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Got your Penny power cord? How does it pairing with your COMPASS? Needs at least 2 - 3 full days of burning in ... sounds abit dull to my ears at first, but it's getting better, more transparent ... certainly helps in taming COMPASS's bass and inject some sparkling highs ...

After some idea exchange with coppercolour's person in charge, he mentioned when you got the good interconnect in your system, power cord would certainly bring quite significant improvement over stock power cord smile.gif Somemore audio-gd's works alot on their power supply section, thus it's quite reactive to power cord smile.gif

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yup..i got my cable..but im using cheap US adaptor (carrefour mari)..not able to detect any difference yet..as always..let burn-in for awhile.
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QUOTE(rioven @ May 8 2009, 05:11 PM)
yup..i got my cable..but im using cheap US adaptor (carrefour mari)..not able to detect any difference yet..as always..let burn-in for awhile.
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Yeap ... burn in first ... first listen I also cant detect much difference compare to stock cable ... once burn in for few days ... then I switch back to stock cable, then I know what I was missing biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ May 8 2009, 06:17 PM)
Yeap ... burn in first ... first listen I also cant detect much difference compare to stock cable ... once burn in for few days ... then I switch back to stock cable, then I know what I was missing biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(squall343 @ Apr 25 2009, 01:32 PM)
already order the dac19mk3 1 week ago

was told they will only be able to ship in May

not getting the ref 1 because no usb  rclxms.gif


Added on April 25, 2009, 1:33 pm
this one is the C2C not compass

But headphone out of the citypulse is rather weak therefore no fight with this C2C

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Ordered Audio-GD 19 MK3, according to Kingwa it'll probably take 2 weeks to deliver,
like squall343 not ordering the higher end simply because lack of usb input, most of my listening now through my laptop.
Like him I too have Citypulse 2.03 and yes, headphone out is not that impressive and now volume control start to give
some kind of screeching sound at certain position, I think there's problem with the potentiometer.
Now it can only be used as pure DAC. So got myself Promitheus TVC as pre-amp, sound great but lament about lack of remote control and that
got me thinking of revamping the whole gear. Almost ordering C2C together with 19MK3 till I saw 'Phoenix', e-mail Kingwa and expected date mid-June. It's just perfect item for me since it's a remote pre-amp + great headamp all in one. I'm not using it as 'desktop' hi-fi so remote control head-amp is quite important to me.
Enough rambling.
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actually are u going to use dac19mk3 with the phoenix?

if so, u have got to buy a better dac because
while phoenix is a balanced headamp, the dac19 is not a balanced dac
u need to go higher to ref 1 or 2 in order to have balanced dac


also u need to recable all ur headphones to balanced

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QUOTE(squall343 @ May 11 2009, 04:05 AM)
actually are u going to use dac19mk3 with the phoenix?

if so, u have got to buy a better dac because
while phoenix is a balanced headamp, the dac19 is not a balanced dac
u need to go higher to ref 1 or 2 in order to have balanced dac
also u need to recable all ur headphones to balanced
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Yes, that the initial plan, I actually e-mail Kingwa asking him to put cast output to the 19MK3 after reading in head-fi forum
that someone already did that but his reply mirrored yours i.e unbalanced out to balanced cast in won't get full potential.
What's stopping me from going higher is lack of USB i/p ( price too but I'd buy dsp base if usb i/p avail ) also my power amp
does not have XLR input. I am not a serious headphone user, most of my listening through normal amp+speaker. What attract me to 'Phoenix' is not the balanced config but the combination of amp+head amp with remote.
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QUOTE(nomar @ May 11 2009, 06:29 AM)
Yes, that the initial plan, I actually e-mail Kingwa asking him to put cast output to the 19MK3 after reading in head-fi forum
that someone already did that but his reply mirrored yours i.e unbalanced out to balanced cast in won't get full potential.
What's stopping me from going higher is lack of USB i/p ( price too but I'd buy dsp base if usb i/p avail ) also my power amp
does not have XLR input. I am not a serious headphone user, most of my listening through normal amp+speaker. What attract me to 'Phoenix' is not the balanced config but the combination of amp+head amp with remote.
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haha....ic

maybe can change ur power amp also brows.gif


Added on May 13, 2009, 11:26 pmbad news for those still haven get their hand on the compass

Price: USD258 (The initial promotional price , this price will end at 31th May.)
(Excluding shipping charge)
1th Jun. price will become USD330
http://www.audio-gd.com/enweb/DAC-Compass.htm

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Any update impression on the DAC other than the compass?


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Any impression from the second batch buyer? If you got any question, feel free to shoot the question here ... we are here to help!
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godluxsex...when u r bringing the audiogd phoenix in ? hehe
i am interested in audit it maybe will get another balanced amp for preamp.....
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godluxsex...when u r bringing the audiogd phoenix in ? hehe
i am interested in audit it maybe will get another balanced amp for preamp.....
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I think I'm not going to bring in phoenix, will concentrate more on hifi instead of headfi smile.gif

If you want to get a unit, I can help u get at nice price brows.gif
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Any impression from the second batch buyer? If you got any question, feel free to shoot the question here ... we are here to help!
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Got the Compass yesterday after some screw up by the courier company. Should have gotten it on Tuesday. Anyway left the Compass in the office to do burn-in, connected to the PC via USB. Too early to comment on the sound quality at the moment.

Just need to check with you guys on how does the Compass detect analog signals? Currently, I have USB, Optical and analog connection to the Compass, but the knob at the front only has selection for USB, Coaxial and Optical.

Tried the CD optical connection with the knob changed to optical (with the optical cable connected to the CD player). No sound. After about 1 minute, switch back to the PC USB. The sound only came in about say 5 minutes. Not sure why, maybe the DAC needs some time to detect the source.

Then I switch the cable to output from DAC and press the "S" button. No sound. Left it there, went out and came back 2 hours later. Everything seems OK then. Sound came out via the DAC output.

Not sure what's wrong. Anyone experience the same problem?

Anyone know where I can download the operation manual?

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Got the Compass yesterday after some screw up by the courier company.  Should have gotten it on Tuesday.  Anyway left the Compass in the office to do burn-in, connected to the PC via USB.  Too early to comment on the sound quality at the moment. 

Just need to check with you guys on how does the Compass detect analog signals?  Currently, I have USB, Optical and analog connection to the Compass, but the knob at the front only has selection for USB, Coaxial and Optical. 

Tried the CD optical connection with the knob changed to optical (with the optical cable connected to the CD player).  No sound.  After about 1 minute, switch back to the PC USB.  The sound only came in about say 5 minutes.  Not sure why, maybe the DAC needs some time to detect the source. 

Then I switch the cable to output from DAC and press the "S" button.  No sound.  Left it there, went out and came back 2 hours later.  Everything seems OK then.  Sound came out via the DAC output.

Not sure what's wrong.  Anyone experience the same problem?

Anyone know where I can download the operation manual?
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Just got this picture from headfi there ... should explain alot how to play with COMPASS

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To use the DAC out:

1) Input with one of the three options, USB, spdif and coax
2) Select the appropriate input with the front input selection knob.
3) Press ON the button "S"
4) Connect your interconnect at the DAC out jack


To use the preamp out:

1) Connect your interconnect from analog source with line in jack at the back
2) Turn ON the preamp function at the back
3) Press ON the button "S"
4) Connect your another pair of interconnect from preamp out to your poweramp.


To use the headamp only (bypass COMPASS's dac)

1) Connect your interconnect from analog source with line in jack at the back
2) Turn OFF the preamp function at the back
3) Press ON the button "S"
4) Plug in your headphone with the front headamp jack to enjoy



To use the headamp only (without bypass the DAC)


1) Turn OFF the preamp function at the back
2) Turn OFF the button "S"
2) Plug in your headphone with the front headamp jack to enjoy



Hope all these helps!
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Jul 10 2009, 05:47 PM)
I think I'm not going to bring in phoenix, will concentrate more on hifi instead of headfi smile.gif

If you want to get a unit, I can help u get at nice price  brows.gif
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actually im quite interested on phoenix too. rclxm9.gif
how nice the price you can get?

is a large sum of money to move to balance amp...not sure what is the cost for b22, but suppose is quite close.
but going balance means i also have to spent more on recable....dying lor.... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(xjian1985 @ Jul 10 2009, 11:01 PM)
actually im quite interested on phoenix too. rclxm9.gif
how nice the price you can get?

is a large sum of money to move to balance amp...not sure what is the cost for b22, but suppose is quite close.
but going balance means i also have to spent more on recable....dying lor.... sweat.gif
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my B22 is almost 1100 euros....not including shipping fee yet and 4% paypal fee ....
phoenix is much affordable and seriously i waiting to audit it whether it is on par with B22 or other high end amps...
balance u need to get a source or dac which has balanced output
the most preferable way is cdp/dac with xlr or bnc input to dac to amp
u need 2 powercords, 1 pair of xlr cables or 1 bnc cable ...all the headphones must recabled to xlr or single ended it doesnt maximize the full balanced setup...
if u going for balanced u either need to spend or forget all bout it...
balanced source or cdp....cost a bomb sweat.gif or a dac which has xlr like cambridge magicdac which is the most affordable and versatile
btw pls quote the price for the phoenix for me laugh.gif

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Received my Compass from the second bulk early Tuesday morning, a day after GodLuvSxS said was being sent out to everyone.

I tried Compass with the OPA-Earth as I had the Earth for nearly 3 months on my Prodigy card so it is already well burned-in I suppose. Source is Prodigy HD2 output via TOSLINK to Compass. Headphone is Sennheiser HD595, neutral setting in the Amp.

First impression is the whole soundstage opening up, clear and airy highs, clear mids, and solid bass. And everything sounded so clean, natural and neutral. There is a very clear depth and width in the soundstage. With the HD595, I thought it sounded very natural, clear and neutral, like listening to the Alesis M1 Active MkII Monitors using balanced connections tongue.gif...

I am wondering what it will sound like with a HD600...itchy to get my hands on a HD600 just to hear the difference in sound....

True to what has been reported before, while burning in, I can hear some shift in the sound signature...Been letting Compass running 24 hours since Tuesday...

I also tried using USB link and USB-ASIO driver. Surprisingly, the audio seems to sound fuller and added depth compared to TOSLink. Wonder if the TOSLink cable needs to be upgraded... Not sure which one is suppose to be the correct sound then.... hmm.gif

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I don't know if this is what people do but a Hi-Fi friend of mine suggested that I use some Blu-Tack and cover the capacitors and IC chips on the Compass board... suppose to make the sound better and it was an old "HI-FI audiophile trick" - about dampening effect... ohmy.gif

Not sure if it's the Compass burning in or whatever, but after he has done the blu-tack thingy...I listened again while he did with and without blu-tack...Surprisingly there is a difference... Soundstage gain additional depth, the highs have some sparkle and instruments seems to have layers...

Is this something like a mod to try?? unsure.gif

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QUOTE(damieneo @ Jul 16 2009, 10:50 PM)
I don't know if this is what people do but a Hi-Fi friend of mine suggested that I use some Blu-Tack and cover the capacitors and IC chips on the Compass board... suppose to make the sound better and it was an old "HI-FI audiophile trick" - about dampening effect... ohmy.gif

Not sure if it's the Compass burning in or whatever, but after he has done the blu-tack thingy...I listened again while he did with and without blu-tack...Surprisingly there is a difference... Soundstage gain additional depth, the highs have some sparkle and instruments seems to have layers...

Is this something like a mod to try??  unsure.gif
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The Compass with the Earth HDAM has finally passed the 350 Hours mark. Must say...the sound seems to settle down alot... Bass, mid and treble now balanced....

My connection is through stock Toslink from Audiotrak Prodigy HD2 (only has optical out). My friend loan me an audioquest toslink...difference is great....seems like better tsolink , better sound...more textures and depth, details compare to stock toslink...my friend suggest I try getting the Van Deb Hul Optocoupler made from glass...should sound as good as digital coaxial...

Second thing I try is using Vibrapods underneath the Compass... bought 4 of model 1 from Tong Lee at LYP.... Wow! I thought it was just minor change in sound but with the vibrapod the sound quality improved a lot! Soundstage really widen up...and depth moves back deeper....trebles have clearer and sweet sound, bass...physically solid.... Really good.... Listen to music and it sounds lifelike...Tong Lee sells for RM30 one piece of vibrapod.... I heard they were stuckup but not so in my case...the owner was very helpful and suggest I try different model ...if not right...go back and change.... I tried model 3...but not much effect so finally settle on mdel 1 as suggested by GodLuvSxS....
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QUOTE(damieneo @ Jul 23 2009, 06:11 PM)
The Compass with the Earth HDAM has finally passed the 350 Hours mark. Must say...the sound seems to settle down alot... Bass, mid and treble now balanced....

My connection is through stock Toslink from Audiotrak Prodigy HD2 (only has optical out).  My friend loan me an audioquest toslink...difference is great....seems like better tsolink , better sound...more textures and depth, details compare to stock toslink...my friend suggest I try getting the Van Deb Hul Optocoupler made from glass...should sound as good as digital coaxial...

Second thing I try is using Vibrapods underneath the Compass... bought 4 of model 1 from Tong Lee at LYP.... Wow! I thought it was just minor change in sound but with the vibrapod the sound quality improved a lot!  Soundstage really widen up...and depth moves back deeper....trebles have clearer and sweet sound, bass...physically solid.... Really good.... Listen to music and it sounds lifelike...Tong Lee sells for RM30 one piece of vibrapod.... I heard they were stuckup but not so in my case...the owner was very helpful and suggest I try different model ...if not right...go back and change.... I tried model 3...but not much effect so finally settle on mdel 1 as suggested by GodLuvSxS....
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Glad to hear that my suggestion works for you ... I guess now you believe about isolation works wonder ... too bad my vibrapod sales still stuck there ... hope that it could reach MOQ 25 packs (4 units in one packaging, RM100 per package inclusive of shipping) of vibrapod after this great review tongue.gif
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Jul 23 2009, 10:38 PM)
Glad to hear that my suggestion works for you ... I guess now you believe about isolation works wonder ... too bad my vibrapod sales still stuck there ... hope that it could reach MOQ 25 packs (4 units in one packaging, RM100 per package inclusive of shipping) of vibrapod after this great review tongue.gif
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biggrin.gif...I am hoping the bulk will still jalan... I wanted to get more.... Anyway, also tried the Vibrapod Cone on top of the Isolators under the Compass. Strange though...the effect on the sound is like it's much brighter, a little bit constricted sound signature... Not sure if need the Cones anymore...but yea...definitely BIG IMPROVEMENT using the Isolators under the Compass... thumbup.gif


Added on July 30, 2009, 12:04 pmshocking.gif....How come the Compass thread no post arrrr?? No one have comment lor? Or too deep into the sound of the Compass cool.gif ...

I think I have reach quite close to the 600 hours burn - in for the Compass with the Earth HDAM (matured almost 6 months liao..Only burn in Compass).

Strange experience...whenever I opened up the cover, and replaced it...if I tightened the screw tightly, the sound from my HD600 sounds a little bit compressed in the sound signature... if I loosen the screws until it just tighten but not yet...I hear a wider soundstage, and highs are little bit clearer but not bright, airy...

I thought its just my hearing...but I repeat a few times and get the same result....odd....

Also...I have since removed all the blu-tak on the ICs & caps in the Compass... I use just two little dots about 3mm in size on the DIR9001 IC and the DAC chip... I hear a stronger bass...the bass drum kicks really "kick" my head... whistling.gif ... I wonder if this is what the Marigo VTS Tuning Pots does.... But the little bit of bluu-tak did produce different sound... instruments I can tell them apart.... Bass "Kicking"... slightly warmer sounding instruments...Hmmmmm hmm.gif


Added on August 1, 2009, 3:15 amDang!....Just set the jumpers to soft2 settings...Now the Compass really sounding really real thru the HD600! Instruments such as violins sounded very very lifelike....freaky....I work with an orchestra at the KLCC most of the time and now I can hear the instruments just like in real life! biggrin.gif

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Gotten my Compass few days ago with Earth/Moon/Sun Opamp. Surprise it is so big size & its built quality is top notch.

Now burning with Earth Opamp with Soft-1 jumper mode.

Setup:
Macbook Pro>Toslink>Compass DAC>Silveramp or AMB Mini3>UM Quaddie or Panasonic HTX7

*HTX7 is waken up by Compass! It never sound so good before via all my portable amp/dac.

Comparing Alien DAC+Silveramp or Mini3 VS Compass DAC/AMP:
>Alien DAC+Silveramp win (i think Silveramp itself is much better than Compass amp, to my surprise Silveramp only take like level 1 volume knob or 7 o'clock able to drive my Quaddie & 9 o'clock to drive my HTX7, it is sure damn powerful portable amp!)
>Using Compass DAC+Silveramp or Mini3 is so much better than Alien DAC (yeah Compass price wise is much more than Alien DAC).

Right now i am able to enjoy AMB Mini3 fullest via Compass DAC for the 1st time. Mini3 suppose to be Neutral, but the i feel it is quite warm, bass impact is superb. Good transparency & clean SQ. Comparing to Silveramp it is sure more warm than Mini3.

Conclusion:
I am fully satisfied with Compass so far, with 3 OPAMP changeable, 4 jumpers mode, combo with silveramp,mini3, fiio E5 are excellent so far.

Now i am admit that i am Audio-GD fanz, eyeing for DAC19MK3, C2C & PANTHER in the future.

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Congratulation for the new gear smile.gif.

Glad you like it. You can try ALL the opamps and I pretty sure one of it will suit your listening preferences very well. You have another 2 more opamp to try with, and hope one of them is better than the silver amp smile.gif.

just 1 step / 7 o'clock on Silver amp? Wow, it is insanely too powerful for my UM3Xs.

Ooo.. next DAC upgrade.... look no further... the Benchmark's DAC-1 HDR. smile.gif. Have balanced ouput too. .. and even the 'Audio Critic' loves it.
http://www.theaudiocritic.com/plog/


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QUOTE(bahathir @ Aug 30 2009, 01:49 AM)
Congratulation for the new gear smile.gif.

Glad you like it. You can try ALL the opamps and I pretty sure one of it will suit your listening preferences very well. You have another 2 more opamp to try with, and hope one of them is better than the silver amp smile.gif.

just 1 step / 7 o'clock on Silver amp? Wow, it is insanely too  powerful for my UM3Xs. 

Ooo.. next DAC upgrade.... look no further... the Benchmark's DAC-1 HDR. smile.gif. Have balanced ouput too. .. and even the 'Audio Critic' loves it.
http://www.theaudiocritic.com/plog/
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hehe with that price i will get Audio GD Phoniex+REF1 with additional some top up icon_idea.gif
I had play around with 3 OPAMP so far i like Earth more. So i burn Earth opamp 1st. For jumper, i like Soft1 mode.
at this moment i like Compass DAC+AMB Mini3+UM Quaddie combo, much cleaner sound thumbup.gif i can hear some extra sound again from some of my fave tracks, although it is faint but with Compass DAC i still can hear it. Last time with Alien DAC it is not noticeable at all.

Silveramp is twin 9V power. so it is darn powerful! but battery life is like 20hrs. So u not using it so much for traveling, i using it as desktop amp at home sweat.gif
Mostly for me, Alien DAC+Fiio E5 is good enough for traveling
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QUOTE(jkleejk @ Aug 29 2009, 12:57 PM)
My recent setup:
Audio-GD Compass with Earth,Moon, Sun Opamp. Combo with Silveramp. Not so good synergy, SQ is better from compass+Opamp itself with UM Quad Custom.
why u dont use compass dac out rather than hp output?
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QUOTE(rioven @ Aug 30 2009, 03:59 AM)
why u dont use compass dac out rather than hp output?
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yup already using compass dac out now. now using crap cable planning for better 1.
HP output isn't good at all sweat.gif thanks for the tips.
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QUOTE(jkleejk @ Aug 30 2009, 09:33 AM)
yup already using compass dac out now. now using crap cable planning for better 1.
HP output isn't good at all sweat.gif  thanks for the tips.
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Ooo.. That is bad. Wondering why after many feedbacks from head-fiers, but the hp out is bad. BTW, generally the op-amps if for the headphone out. Can you describe the how 'bad' it is? You still have some burn-in, and hope you like it.

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I had play around with 3 OPAMP so far i like Earth more. So i burn Earth opamp 1st. For jumper, i like Soft1 mode.
at this moment i like Compass DAC+AMB Mini3+UM Quaddie combo, much cleaner sound thumbup.gif i can hear some extra sound again from some of my fave tracks, although it is faint but with Compass DAC i still can hear it. Last time with Alien DAC it is not noticeable at all.


Aha, you now are now start listening 'thing', which was invisible or not exist previously. Good gears are scary but satisfying. smile.gif This is what we called resolution or details.

Thank you.

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QUOTE(bahathir @ Aug 30 2009, 05:37 PM)
Ooo.. That is bad. Wondering why after many feedbacks from head-fiers, but the hp out is bad. BTW, generally  the op-amps if for the headphone out.  Can you describe the how 'bad' it is? You still have some burn-in, and hope you like it.
Aha, you now are now start listening 'thing', which was invisible or not exist previously. Good gears are scary but satisfying. smile.gif This is what we called resolution or details.

Thank you.
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u got me wrong,
Compass HP output to Silveramp is no good sound. But when Compass DAC output to Silveramp is good.
But Compass DAC/Amp is good either but Silveramp is better than Compass Amp IMO.
Anyway i cant make conclusion 1st. Still in burning process.

Today i try Compass DAC>Fiio E5>UM Quaddie.
WOW superb too! man this small amp turn into a beast. beware the volume too need to tune to the lowest 1st. shocking.gif
I found E5 cant produce good treble shakehead.gif compare to Mini3/Silveramp,

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QUOTE(jkleejk @ Aug 30 2009, 01:08 AM)
at this moment i like Compass DAC+AMB Mini3+UM Quaddie combo, much cleaner sound  thumbup.gif i can hear some extra sound again from some of my fave tracks, although it is faint but with Compass DAC i still can hear it. Last time with Alien DAC it is not noticeable at all.
so you feel that mini3 actually better than compass build in amp?

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QUOTE(teNtiOn @ Aug 30 2009, 11:19 PM)
so you feel that mini3 actually better than compass build in amp?
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I just like the sound Compass DAC+Mini3 (more cleaner SQ).
Compass DAC/AMP (Earth) still under burning process.
So right now i can't made conclusion.
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QUOTE(bahathir @ Aug 30 2009, 04:37 PM)
Ooo.. That is bad. Wondering why after many feedbacks from head-fiers, but the hp out is bad. BTW, generally  the op-amps if for the headphone out.  Can you describe the how 'bad' it is? You still have some burn-in, and hope you like it.
Aha, you now are now start listening 'thing', which was invisible or not exist previously. Good gears are scary but satisfying. smile.gif This is what we called resolution or details.

Thank you.
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compass generally is a budget dac/amp (other than zero dac)..

QUOTE(jkleejk @ Aug 30 2009, 07:23 PM)
u got me wrong,
Compass HP output to Silveramp is no good sound. But when Compass DAC output to Silveramp is good.
But Compass DAC/Amp is good either but Silveramp is better than Compass Amp IMO.
Anyway i cant make conclusion 1st. Still in burning process.
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when u connect compass hp to silveramp..ur already double amp..thats why dac out is have better sq
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QUOTE(jkleejk @ Aug 30 2009, 11:01 PM)
I just like the sound Compass DAC+Mini3 (more cleaner SQ).
Compass DAC/AMP (Earth) still under burning process.
So right now i can't made conclusion.
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try to run your compass with Bright or Neutral mode for the amp. perhaps the result will be cleaner.
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QUOTE(rioven @ Aug 31 2009, 02:08 AM)
compass generally is a budget dac/amp (other than zero dac)..
when u connect compass hp to silveramp..ur already double amp..thats why dac out is have better sq
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hehe, i consider Compass isn't a budget dac/amp (as price has gone up after promotional period)>there is many more similar DAC gadgets available in china. There is good Matrix DAC, Yulong DAH1, Xindak DAC5 & etc (for DAC alone), but if come to DAC/AMP wise Compass maybe the best bang for the bucks. Overall i am still satisfied with it overall as i like the rollable HDAM & jumper things. thumbup.gif

I agree it is double amp that is why it is sound like crap. wink.gif


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QUOTE(xjian1985 @ Aug 31 2009, 07:58 AM)
try to run your compass with Bright or Neutral mode for the amp. perhaps the result will be cleaner.
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i tried the setting i prefer bright setting with Earth compare with neutral.
Both Neutral+Earth is very close with Mini3, I slightly side towards Mini3 for slightly more clearer sound, Compass bass is a bit heavier sunken some treble.
Later i will try other Opamp like Moon/Sun again to judge further. thanks for the tips laugh.gif

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bro get reference dac 1 with audio phoenix.....using cast ....
they will able to beat some of fully balanced amps.... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(sep90 @ Aug 31 2009, 12:31 PM)
bro get reference dac 1 with audio phoenix.....using cast ....
they will able to beat some of fully balanced amps.... thumbup.gif
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cost me arm & leg cry.gif

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Anyone one here interested with COMPASS, do PM me ~~~ got few ready units. RM1150 with one free Canare coaxial cable.
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Anyone one here interested with COMPASS, do PM me ~~~ got few ready units. RM1150 with one free Canare coaxial cable.
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Wah good news, but not really interested. Now i am looking for tube amp.

Please open a thread for the Compass sale as not many people come into this thread
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My COMPASS is now well over thousand of hours in use so can say it really shows what it is good at...

BTW, I have been doing some tweaks to my setup of the Compass unit after doing some research on the Net and at Head-Fi. All are mostlly done externally no messing around with the internals of the COMPASS. It's just to enhance what is already a very natural sounding DAC output.

What I did and impressions:

1. At GodLuvSxS' suggestion, I put the COMPASS on four Vibrapod Pods and Cones Isolators. Removed the feet that came with the unit.

2. Use some RCA plugs, and put some resistor inside to short the live and ground pins together. These I put on the unused INPUT RCAs on the Unit. (NOT OUTPUT! Doing so will damage the unit!) These helps to reduce RFI & EMF interference from the unused jacks picking them up. I use 75ohm resistor for the plug to the COAXIAL input (since I use the TOSLINK for connections) and 5K1 resistors for the plugs to the RCA INPUT jack.

3. Use some Blu-Tack and made a small ring around the plug head of the TOSLINK cable connecting to the unit as well as the cables at the DAC output to reduce micro-vibrations travelling via the cable from the PC to the Unit.

The overall result of these tweaks resulted in a very clear (analytical) natural organic and most importantly CLEANER sounding Compass. There's a bit more air noticeable around the instruments and performers, and more sense of the recording's acoustic space. Also there's more variety of textures to the highs, mids, and bass.

Overall, what is already quite good with the COMPASS, I felt is further enhanced. Highs are extended yet airy, bass is tight and whomping....soundstage has widened and increased with a bit more 3D depth to it...More PRAT I suppose.

These tweaks were meant to isolate the unit from micro-vibrations or stray interference leaking in from the unused RCA jacks which apparently affect the sound quality.

One thing I did try earlier and then discarded was using blu-tack on the ICs chips and capacitors of the unit. At first it sounded good but then I realised that too much air and dynamics of the music is gone so I removed them.

Also I did try the Marigold VTS tuning Dots for Electronics on the ICs only. These works, and do change the sound quality but I didn't like them because it make the sound compressed and thin so I removed them as well.

It was better I supposed to isolate the whole unit .

The FLACs from CDs which I used as reference during tweakings are:

1. Sheffield Drive - Sheffield Lab
2. James Newton Howard & Friends (Using this to test the difference is quite interesting. Drums and cymbals sounded much more realistic compared to
earlier.
3. Tutti [Reference Recordings] Orchestral Sampler
4. Beethoven - Symphonies - Karajan (SACD rip) Massed violins sounded great...more like a whole bunch of violins playing

Oh yeah....it seems good practice to use a proper power supply unit. I didn't realise that my voltage regulator was a factor here until I got an APC voltage regulator... the improvement in sound quality is simply dramatic. Before this, there's an odd hollowness, grey sounding to the overall sound. Once I switched to a good voltage regulator, the sound is fuller sounding, airier in the highs, and the soundstage seem more 3D. I am using Copper Colour Penny II Power Cord at the moment, but I am thinking of getting Audio-Gd's Power cable with the Compass to the see if it actually works better since Kingwa did develop the unit with the cable in mind....smile.gif

I know that there have been many arguments about the effectiveness of cables, etc and power supply affect audio reproduction. It's up to an individual. I was skeptical but I tried them out. Works for me, and I do hear differences, so no problem.


UPDATE (10 September '09):

I didn't realise that the optical connection from Prodigy HD2 to the Compass was not set-up properly. In the control panel of the HD2, there is a tab that switches the control bit of digital connections from Consumer to Professional. I accidentally used the Professional setting, which adds pre-emphasis to the audio signal. rclxub.gif

Once I switched it back to Consumer, the audio sounds much more neutral and better.

This means that of all the tweaks I applied to the above, the one using RCA plugs is now redundant. I tried them on and off and now prefers them not on the RCA sockets at all. thumbup.gif

As of now, the Compass is really showing its true colors, good soundstage and dynamics.

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1st impression:

It's bigger than my D2 Viper. ._.


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something i found out strange today.
using Compass DAC/AMP>built in amp speakers.
when i tune my compass volume more, the sound seems to be more clearer & nicer.
but when i tune my speaker volume more, the bass is start overwhelming & muffled.
but this is like fun to know, but i am not sure what is going on here, maybe some sifu can explain more...
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maybe pre-amp for built-in speaker not that good (i assuming ur using pre-out rather than dac out). mind to tell ur speaker is?
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QUOTE(rioven @ Sep 29 2009, 03:00 PM)
maybe pre-amp for built-in speaker not that good (i assuming ur using pre-out rather than dac out). mind to tell ur speaker is?
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speaker cap ayam, planning on Hivi T200B next mth.
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goodbye compass...hello the fun
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this is so fun! haha so many config can be done....

 

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