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Engineering Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (LAME), Guide & everything about this career!

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post Apr 20 2012, 12:41 PM

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Tell your dad that the license issued by DCA Malaysia is recognized same level as DEGREE WITH HONOURS in the Government.
You will start from A41 grade.. depending on years of experience and the number of type ratings you hold. You do not want to work anywhere else in the government except DCA lah of course! laugh.gif
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post Apr 20 2012, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Apr 20 2012, 12:41 PM)
Tell your dad that the license issued by DCA Malaysia is recognized same level as DEGREE WITH HONOURS in the Government.
You will start from A41 grade.. depending on years of experience and the number of type ratings you hold. You do not want to work anywhere else in the government except DCA lah of course! laugh.gif
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yes even the DCA KP used to be LAME biggrin.gif ..but im not sure what his other qualifications tho..
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post Apr 20 2012, 05:15 PM

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Don't worry about 'other' qualifications.. you're eligible to take MBA and above. My batchmate (an LAME) holds TWO PhDs..
Any more issues?
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post Apr 20 2012, 05:54 PM

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U mean we can do MBA without a degree? My mom told me the same thing,coz this line of career consider as professional career,so we eligible to enrol in MBA course.pls enlighten me more on this Jazzy.Thanks
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post Apr 20 2012, 07:43 PM

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Yes we can! We are in a 'supervisory' position, with 2 years experience in type(professional experience).. you can take MBA or CIT (Chartered Institute of Transport)for that matter. If you want to take a degree, no one is stopping you but I don't see the reason why.. laugh.gif
When I was with MAS, they(MAS) sponsored those who want to take MBA, CIT.. the MBA was from Cranfield University,UK. Cost RM30K. Good eh? wink.gif

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post Apr 20 2012, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Apr 20 2012, 07:43 PM)
Yes we can! We are in a 'supervisory' position, with 2 years experience in type(professional experience).. you can take MBA or CIT (Chartered Institute of Transport)for that matter. If you want to take a degree, no one is stopping you but I don't see the reason why.. laugh.gif
When I was with MAS, they(MAS) sponsored those who want to take MBA, CIT.. the MBA was from Cranfield University,UK. Cost RM30K. Good eh? wink.gif
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ha..thanks for the clarification Jazzy.Ive been trying to research and ask around about this matter,but seem not everyone know about it.. sweat.gif this is great news for us! So did u take the opportunity ? biggrin.gif
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post Apr 20 2012, 10:01 PM

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I did not as I do not want to be further bonded with MAS! laugh.gif
I want to get out and get more exposure, skills, knowledge and experience from the industry, which I did !
Regrets? Definitely not.
Will I ever want to get these qualifications? I don't think so.
Right now I am being paid 'handsomely'.. Glad I took that path and never looked back biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Apr 18 2012, 09:19 PM)
Did you managed to answer? hmm.gif
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i manage to cover the whole chapter ATA27 for A320...starting from EFCS down to ELAC,SEC,FAC,SFCC...those are computer that include inside EFCS...its quite a long story there...until he stopped me at signal transmitting...electrical signal or optical... sweat.gif all i was remember was the ARINCS...ahaha...never knew bout the fiber optic on A320...he wanted me to proof him wrong...then the question become my check point...ahaha...went back home,then only i saw in manual,there were none fiber optics...he was trying to see my level of confident... blush.gif
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post Apr 21 2012, 03:25 AM

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That was tough! Wonder who was the one questioning you... tongue.gif

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post Apr 22 2012, 02:18 AM

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QUOTE(maryjane9996 @ Apr 20 2012, 11:35 AM)
is your dad working with the government ?
is a degree can guarantee u a job ? i just finish my training today,and im not sure where im goin in future too..but u need to start somewhere..this thing struck my head few years back when im deciding to go on this path.Just keep trying and dont give up i would say..some 147 ATO give diploma upon graduation..i dont really care about the diploma tho,it just an 'extra' paper to make my cv or resume thicker..2 of my mate already got into 145 MRO in sg.. smile.gif
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yes, of course...thats y he always prefer government...
i guess it is a habit for our parent's generations to always sees government servants is the best job...
but now,our generation is different right...all place can go to work...
i must admit, some typical malay is always like this...no open minded...
im a malay btw, but this is fact...it is my responsibility to change it...

QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Apr 20 2012, 12:41 PM)
Tell your dad that the license issued by DCA Malaysia is recognized same level as DEGREE WITH HONOURS in the Government.
You will start from A41 grade.. depending on years of experience and the number of type ratings you hold. You do not want to work anywhere else in the government except DCA lah of course! laugh.gif
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ok jazzy, thank you for the encouragement...
i will explain nicely to my father that ive done research, and this career is best for me...
to hear from the real deal is how we can get the real picture of the career...
pls correct me if im wrong jazzy,my steps to become LAME is:
register on LWTR course under airlines or private company -> spend 5 years studying and do practical -> gain LWTR certificate -> work under a LAME, gain experience -> get Type Rating certificate -> then, im officially a LAME?

This post has been edited by qiffahsnissuh: Apr 22 2012, 02:22 AM
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post Apr 22 2012, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(qiffahsnissuh @ Apr 22 2012, 02:18 AM)
yes, of course...thats y he always prefer government...
i guess it is a habit for our parent's generations to always sees government servants is the best job...
but now,our generation is different right...all place can go to work...
i must admit, some typical malay is always like this...no open minded...
im a malay btw, but this is fact...it is my responsibility to change it...
ok jazzy, thank you for the encouragement...
i will explain nicely to my father that ive done research, and this career is best for me...
to hear from the real deal is how we can get the real picture of the career...
pls correct me if im wrong jazzy,my steps to become LAME is:
register on LWTR course under airlines or private company -> spend 5 years studying and do practical -> gain LWTR certificate -> work under a LAME, gain experience -> get Type Rating certificate -> then, im officially a LAME?
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haha..its normal for civil servant people to think like that..even my mom told me the same thing,if the parents work with the goverment,they will hoping that their children will join the government as well..It TAME program under DTC,but your parents need to be one of MAS employees..Or,i think they open for public last year.u need to check out the intake date..or u can go APR..or overseas,Aviation Aaustralia,Xiamen China,or theres one in bristol that provide u the course+OJT+320 type rating..but u need to check the aproval they have tho.


Added on April 23, 2012, 4:38 pmmaryjane9996 wrote:
i received a call yesterday morning sayin got an offer in this one local company 2 hours drive from sydney..just want to make sure,even tho i already ask someone else on this issue..this local company is not part 145,but it CASA approved..so can i use this coming 2 years exp and lodge my application to caa.uk ? if yes,do u have any document supporting your answer ? i did some research but couldnt find any..hmm

Hi..Ammar - I guess you have not many options left - just accept the offer - get a CASA licence first then convert it into EASA later..then to DCAM Part 66 later....

My 2 cents lah bro.....DO NOT come back to Malaysia without a licence...

Adios amigo...9M


QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Mar 20 2012, 11:41 PM)
maryjane,
For Q3. No, it need not be EASA's Part 145. Local Regulatory Body's Part 145 is sufficient.
But from my point of view here is the catch.
That country should be a member of JAA, recognized, subscribed and implement the JAR as part of their Aviation Regulation biggrin.gif
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Hi Jazzy..i really2 need your help on this..Do u know any documents that can support this ? thanks.

Ok dont answer anything yet,let me try to bring something to the table.

couldnt find information on it..if u want to know the company name,pls let me know..ill PM u.. thanks again.


Added on April 25, 2012, 9:31 pmD3.1 General
An applicant for a category B1 licence must have
completed a prescribed period of aircraft maintenance
experience. This experience is to be relevant to the
licence category required and to the maintenance
experience of operating aircraft. This experience
should include maintenance on aircraft structure,
powerplant, mechanical and electrical systems and
replacement of avionic LRU’s requiring simple tests to
prove their serviceability.

This was taken from ELGD on caa.uk webbie..it doesnt said anything about 145..i dont want to assume,coz theres no assumption should be made when u working in this industry.

This post has been edited by maryjane9996: Apr 25 2012, 09:31 PM
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post Apr 25 2012, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(camel90 @ Apr 12 2012, 06:10 PM)
Hello there. first of all, congrats to your brother  rclxms.gif .

anyway, the duration of his study can be seen in 2 ways.

1. Degree duration.
2. Duration to obtain license.

1. Degree duration :
take the BACHELOR OF AIRCRAFT ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY (HONS) MECHANICAL for example link

-it will take him 4 years to get the degree.

2. Duration to obtain license :
tihs one on the other hand it's a whole lot different story. there are 2 different views here depend on what is going to happen to MIAT in the next 6-8 months.

a) View no. 1 : if miat is just what it is right now which is, NOT AN Approved Training Organisation, it will take your brother 4 years(degree+taking exam as an outsider via DCA)+5 years(to gain aircraft experience) before he gets his LWTR (License Without Type Rating)

b) View no. 2 : if miat can get the ATO status in the next 6-8 months or in 4 years your brother is going to be there, it will take him 4 years(degree+taking exam as an ATO candidate)+2 years(working experience in the aviation maintenance field before he gets his LWTR.

I suggest you ask him to read a lot about the DCA Part 66, EASA Part 66, and etc. all of the details from duration, subjects, modules, and etc.

if i were him, i will use his diploma right now and join any airlines/chartered flight/helicopters/flying school companies as their low level technician and while working, he study on his own to complete all 12 modules (for B2 license) and after complete all required modules for the license he's going to apply for and after 5 years within the company, he'll then submit for his LWTR.

i might be wrong in any info here, do correct me. thanks
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tq bro, u answered my question nicely.. rclxms.gif

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post Apr 25 2012, 11:23 PM

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maryjane,
Like all laws, this is again subjected to interpretation. biggrin.gif

You are right, there were never an emphasized that it HAS TO BE an EASA Part 145!
Go back to basics.
Any maintenance activities either done by an AOC Holder or a part 145 MRO obviously has to be APPROVED by the local Regulatory Body first, right?
Now, does the country of the Regulatory Body a member of the ICAO? This would be the MINIMUM in order for CAA UK or infact any Aviation Authority (DCA included) to recognize the practice, skills and experience and the so called recorded experience (and endorsed appropriately) to be accepted either for the grant, extension or conversion approval.

Is this simple and clear to understand?
Having said that, the JAR implementations(among others) are still valid and further support the recognition for the acceptance of applications.




QUOTE(maryjane9996 @ Apr 22 2012, 08:52 AM)

Added on April 25, 2012, 9:31 pmD3.1 General
An applicant for a category B1 licence must have completed a prescribed period of aircraft maintenance
experience. This experience is to be relevant to the licence category required and to the maintenance
experience of operating aircraft. This experience should include maintenance on aircraft structure,
powerplant, mechanical and electrical systems and replacement of avionic LRU’s requiring simple tests to
prove their serviceability.

This was taken from ELGD on caa.uk webbie..it doesnt said anything about 145..i dont want to assume,coz theres no assumption should be made when u working in this industry.
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Apr 25 2012, 11:23 PM)
maryjane,
Like all laws, this is again subjected to interpretation. biggrin.gif

You are right, there were never an emphasized that it HAS TO BE an EASA Part 145!
Go back to basics.
Any maintenance activities either done by an AOC Holder or a part 145 MRO obviously has to be APPROVED by the local Regulatory Body first, right?
Now, does the country of the Regulatory Body a member of the ICAO? This would be the MINIMUM in order for CAA UK or infact any Aviation Authority (DCA included) to recognize the practice, skills and experience and the so called recorded experience (and endorsed appropriately) to be accepted either for the grant, extension or conversion approval.

Is this simple and clear to understand?
Having said that, the JAR implementations(among others) are still valid and further support the recognition for the acceptance of applications.
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Again Jazzy,thanks a bunch.This is what i believed in,but my understanding a lil bit diff from yours.As long as the MRO is approved by local authority,which in my case CASA,and that local authority is ICAO member,the exp that i gain can be use to lodge an application to caa.uk,because ICAO is the one who incharge to set a minimum standard for his member.Pls correct me if this is wrong. smile.gif

But the guy from my school(examiners) said otherwise.and when i ask at flylah,i got the same answer(like my examiners) and even he said that dont come back before i got my license and this is from someone i can consider as senior maybe experienced in this industry.I went to international forum to ask,and i got same answer like yours.And that guy even ask me to check it on ELGD,just to reconfirm..So yeah right now,im pretty much on your side on this.I even send email to caa.uk regarding this,and waiting for their reply.If the answer is yes,i would like to request a letter with caa.uk letter head..

Here is an example how the information can be misinterpret by other people even someone who experienced in this industry.Last resort to get confirmation is email them directly and get the black and white just to be on the safe side.

once again,thanks Jazzy. thumbup.gif
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post Apr 26 2012, 01:42 AM

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Not at all.
Before Part-66 adoption by DCAM, CASA licence was recognized and conversion like always is by sitting and passing DCA's Paper I ( Air Legislation ).
In the same note DCA's LWTR was also recognized by CASA.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Apr 21 2012, 03:25 AM)
That was tough! Wonder who was the one questioning you... tongue.gif
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our regional maintenance manager... sweat.gif
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Ah.. I know who he is! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Apr 26 2012, 06:32 PM)
Ah.. I know who he is! tongue.gif
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Hi guys! It's been awhile since I've popped in here. Currently doing my first OJT in SAE, just started last week in warehouse and today was the first day in the hangar. Managed to witness and assist in the installation(partial) of the main landing gears on a Boeing 737. So far had passed all basic subjects in APR including the latest Physics exam which only 2 passed. Looking forward to my 3 months stay here in Sepang laugh.gif

And btw, about that ATO in China, i think it's Taeco? My friends talked about it recently and the price is not bad around 70k RM if not mistaken plus you get an A320 type rating together. Not too sure about the details though as I didn't really research about it. Just sharing what I heard biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ May 1 2012, 04:19 AM)
Hi guys! It's been awhile since I've popped in here. Currently doing my first OJT in SAE, just started last week in warehouse and today was the first day in the hangar. Managed to witness and assist in the installation(partial) of the main landing gears on a Boeing 737. So far had passed all basic subjects in APR including the latest Physics exam which only 2 passed. Looking forward to my 3 months stay here in Sepang laugh.gif

And btw, about that ATO in China, i think it's Taeco? My friends talked about it recently and the price is not bad around 70k RM if not mistaken plus you get an A320 type rating together. Not too sure about the details though as I didn't really research about it. Just sharing what I heard biggrin.gif
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Good to hear that bro..Pls say hi to Azrul..the fees is almost the same with the one in Bristol..I would go there instead of Aviation Australia if i know about it earlier..the fees it self+ojt for dual is about 180k..those who got mara sponsor are lucky,since they only need to pay maybe 10-20% from the total..since the passing mark is 75,it so easy for u to get 3.5 and above.. smile.gif

I heard SAE is hiring,maybe u can apply over there after u finish your OJT ?

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