touched A300 yesterday due to helping others to take group photo.
the grip is so  good and comfort to handle if compare to 1000D
my little opinion only.
dont flame me

im agree with you.. but do we really need f/2.8 with that?

i vote for Sal16105 ...
and for the extra budget left , save up a bit more for UWA or macro lens pulak hehe 

WindY2K: If you HAVE to HAVE something beyond 50mm, and have it F2.8, then get:

Tamron 17-50mm F2.8
Tamron 90mm F2.8

You have a flash, you know whether F2.8 is important or not.

Another way, is:
Sony 16-105mm F3.5-5.6 DT
Sigma 30mm F1.4

The 16-105mm is for a wide range. Honestly in walkabouts I never needed more than 100mm.

The 30mm F1.4 is the true champion of low-light. 30mm means its wide enough for getting 2-3 people in a shot sitting opposite you. The 50mm is a bit too tight and will get only 1 person.

The 30mm F1.4 is a great 'party' lens. Just bring body and 30mm, no flash needed.

raist86: There is also the risk of gear stripping on the Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 EX DG Macro.

When my Sigma 17-35mm F2.8-4 EX gear stripped, I was forced to get a replacement standard lens. I ended up with a Sony 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 DT kit lens once again, and I'd say that when I tried it again I realized it wasn't all that bad and can be pretty sharp once you know how to use it.

WindY2K: i chose the 17-70mm over the tamron 17-50mm f2.8 and siggy 24-70mm 2.8. The reason: I want a sharp lens and i hardly shoot with 2.8 (or lower)for group pics...(FYI, i shoot mostly indoor/party pix). F2.8 is a bit too shallow for me, and 24mm is a bit too tight on my aps-c(a200). i need a lens with a mdf that doesnt require me to get off from my sit just to shoot the person that is sitting next to me, (17-70 mdf=20cm). just my 2 cents...

I'm stillllllllll so undecided between HVL 58, Tammy 1750 or SAL 18250 grah.

bro....this is sample from tamron 1750 plus my new gun     F58 

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Added on January 28, 2009, 7:11 am
thanks bro.....still want to learn....masih lagi ditadika kemas ni

raist86: Should be around RM15xx-17xx.

WindY2K: The other thing which anybody who has tried the Sigma 17-70mm F2.8-4.5 DC will notice, is the insane minimum focusing distance! At 20cm from the sensor plane to the subject, minus the length of the lens, and you have a lens that practically touches the subject! Try it!

the Sig1770 is definitely attractive in terms of the image quality it produces compare to kitlens. My only concern is the build quality.

hie guys, i've got my maybank sony card already...hahaha...
will get my a300 and the hvl 58 tonight..
but now been thinking of getting the twin or single kit lense...any advice?
camera vertical grip a must or an excess?
appreciate a quick advice cause tonight wanna buy d...hehehe

Yeah, windy2k, go try the lens and u will be amazed:)....mfd of 20cm is very useful (at least for me). I tried the lens in sg wang boeing

windy2k: it's just a credit card from maybank..

BRo apply card tu blh beli lens byk2

hey guys...should i get a flash 1st or a good lens?

thx for the reply...so u do agree tamron 1750f2.8 produce better IQ than kitteh 1870? whts the price for it?

boring.....
187058

me confused between tamron 1750 and f58 flash lol..

whats the cheapest price now for f58 & tamron 1750? any one selling it ?