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post Jun 24 2010, 04:47 AM

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QUOTE(sonyman @ Jun 23 2010, 09:34 PM)
hello, honda civic fans, i was visiting a honda showroom in bukit raja a few days ago, i came to learn that the i vtec technology is more of a power thing rather than a fuel saving thing, like the CVVT or the VVTi , does this mean that if you are a light footer, dont always go beyond 4000 rpm, or so you dont get to use or activate the i vtec is it?

i must say, comfort wise, honda is very much better than toyota, i tested the CR-V and was expecting some wow effect, but it was nothing more than a 4 wheel vehicle that rides tall. do you guys know of any honda showroom that allows the testdrive to drive out of the testing drive route, because i practically didnt try really felt how really was the CR-v performance. ...

Of course this is a civic thread, but i wanna ask some honda fans about their idea and 2 cents.
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Hi sonyman, iVTEC means different things to different Honda engines. For example, on the K-series engines, there are full 3-stage VTEC types as well as "economy" VTEC types. The K-series and B-series preceding it, employ the conventional VTEC technology, where economy cams operate at moderate rpms, switching over only at higher rpms for high output. These engines come to life above 5k rpm, but are less torquey below it. The highest performing K-series engines are like that, such as the K20A and K24A on the Type R variants. Our local K-series engines on the Accord 2.4 and Civic 2.0 have been tweaked, without the high cams on the exhaust side. This has led to better torque low down, with outright performance being a tradeoff as compared to their higher-revving brethren with the "A" suffixes.

On the R-series however, it's a total reverse VTEC in a way. The R-series can be found on the CRV and Accord 2.0 (R20) while the Civic 1.8 uses the R18. How the R-series differs from normal VTEC engines, is that in normal operating modes, it is running on performance cams (meaning high cams in VTEC terminology). Once you reach a certain cruising speed, the economy cams take over. That is why the R-series has good low to mid range torque. In order to maintain driveability, a compromise had to be made on the size and duration of the high cams, hence these engines start to run out of breath after 5,500 rpm.

You can read more about the R18 here: http://asia.vtec.net/Engines/RiVTEC/index.html

And some general info on the K-series: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_K_engine

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post Jun 25 2010, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(pipetmaster @ Jun 24 2010, 07:36 PM)
anyone wants to buy civic FD 2.0 as sparepart...rm25k only.... wholebody...engine mileage 40k
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Can sell separately or not?
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post Jun 28 2010, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(lighter @ Jun 28 2010, 12:34 AM)
Hi guyz.. I realize something weird with my 2.0s RPM.

Whenever I drive at 90km/h the RPM will at 2000rpm (5th gear)

Sometimes I drive at 90km/h the RPM will at 2400-2500rpm and it will slowly drop to 2000rpm with consistant 90km/h.

anyone can tell me how it works?
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It's called torque converter lockup. Once your car is moving at a constant speed, the torque converter is locked, allowing the car to cruise in its highest ratio (5th gear). When in 5th gear and the rpm is at 2400-2500 rpm, the torque converter is still slipping to generate enough torque to get the car to a constant speed. It's like a manual car, if you half-clutch it the rpm is higher even though you're in a certain gear, generating higher torque.

You might also notice that when your TC is locked up at 2000 rpm and you press the throttle to go just a bit faster, the rpm goes up again to 2400 plus. The TC is then disengaged from lockup.

The best way to look after your gearbox and get the best FC is to try and cruise in TC lockup mode. You don't need 2000 rpm to engage lockup. If you drive at a constant 70km/h, the GB will initiate lockup at around 1550 rpm.
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post Jun 28 2010, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(invisiblelim @ Jun 28 2010, 05:41 PM)
erm.. that day i went back  my gf's hometown..
i cruising along the LEKAS highway.. and i set the auto cruise at 160km/h and running smooth, when come to the end of the highway or somewhere around Seremban there, there is a uphill, erm.. it auto cruise up to 5.5 - 6k rpm >.<" in order to maintain the 160km/h.. like that will hurt my engine ar? >.< cause i dint stop the cruise control and let it run nia.. ^.^
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It won't hurt your engine unless you always die-die oso wanna maintain 160km/h during uphill runs lol. But it will hurt your FC
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post Jul 14 2010, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(jpaul @ Jul 14 2010, 02:09 PM)
Hi all,

user posted image

May I know is your FD2 spare tyre area like that ?

My one dont have the black cover
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My FD has a tray with tools in it. The spare is also locked down. Shouldn't that be standard? I think your car's previous owner lost it.
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post Jul 15 2010, 06:09 AM

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QUOTE(n3sta_n_roses @ Jul 15 2010, 01:53 AM)
bro, i got the same problem with..still dunno whats the main problem caused..its the matter of safety rite now..can somebody rectify this problem? please..im out of idea already whenever i try to explain to the SC..
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I had a similar problem many yrs ago on my Mazda Cronos V6. For my case, sometimes when I step on the brakes hard, the pedal would slowly descend to the floor. After that the ABS light will come on. Turns out I had a faulty front left ABS sensor. All I had to do was get it cleaned. What happened was, when I stepped on the brakes, the faulty front left sensor didn't detect that wheel stopping, which the ABS computer thought was the car slipping, so it released pressure on the other three wheels to try and straighten the car out. The feeling is as if there was an airlock or fluid leak in my brake lines. Scary sh*t.

For any car with a properly functioning ABS, you will find that stopping on uneven roads like gravel or wet roads will actually take a longer distance than a car without ABS. Please remember that the ABS system is not meant to help you stop faster, rather it is to enable you to steer out of harm's way while braking hard, and also to help you brake in a straight line should there be water or other slippery surface.

TCS or VSA helps you stabilize your car while you're negotiating a corner or if one side of your car loses traction. However, if the system is faulty, you should have gotten a warning light on the meter panel.


A good read on ABS/TCS/VSA:
http://www.securitydriver.com/aic/stories/article-111.html
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post Jul 15 2010, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 15 2010, 09:11 AM)


Added on July 15, 2010, 9:44 am
In real world if I not mistaken, when you jam your brake with ABS, your car should stop shorter distance than without ABS. The most easy to know your ABS is when you jam your brake hard, you can feel hard vibrate at your brake pedal. Just don't let go.

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Sorry this is not entirely correct. If the road isn't wet, a car without ABS will allow you to lock your wheels, enabling you to stop in a shorter distance. The problem is, once stopped your car may not be facing the same direction as when you started braking lol. However, if you don't skid at all, your car will come to a screeching halt faster than if you had ABS which will catch and release the brakes at up to 15Hz, thereby prolonging the distance a bit.

This is very easy to test in the real world especially on a dirt or gravel road. Drive at about 40km/h, then slam on the brakes. Because the gravel will cause your car to slip so much it won't allow your car's tyres to dig into the sand, you'll find your brakes pulsing to a slow but secure halt. If you pull out the fuse for the ABS and try again, you'll find that by letting the wheels dig in you'll stop much faster.

The only time that ABS will help a car stop faster is on a slippery wet surface, and that's only because if without ABS your wheels will lock and you will aquaplane out of control.

As for not letting go, here's an actual exp I had some time ago. I was driving an 04' City iDSI. Coming out from Mid Valley going towards Jln Maarof, while taking the left bend on the overhead bridge (beside Maybank building), at the corner where there is a blind spot a car had just stalled. The road was slippery as it had just finished raining. Upon seeing the stalled car I hit the brakes as I was going about 70km/h. Because I was in the bend, stepping on my brakes hard caused the rear to sway out. So I countered the sway by steering the other way. I had to do this a few times cos the tail kept swinging from left to right because the front absorbers kept getting loaded. My foot was on the brakes hard, but the ABS did nothing to stabilize my car, in fact it felt as if I had no brakes! I had to release the brakes while doing the counter manouver, and only stepped hard when the car was straightening out. Missed the stalled car by inches!

The lesson learnt there is, ABS didn't save my @ss that day, *I* saved my @ss. No matter if you have ABS/TCS/VSA, all that will count for nothing if you lose traction while braking. So better drive slowly and don't be a hero lol.....
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post Jul 17 2010, 01:57 AM

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QUOTE(MX510 @ Jul 16 2010, 03:32 PM)
http://www.honda.com.my/civic/detail/majorequipment/

Can save a lot of money only beza a bit

HID

The side mirror

RIM

Blue Ambient light

Paddle shift

Side airbags
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Those things cost quite a bit of money. The HID itself will require a change of headlight housing and different bulbs etc. Paddle shift, side airbags and K20Z engine even more expensive to change lol.

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post Jul 21 2010, 04:37 AM

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QUOTE(iobai @ Jul 21 2010, 12:23 AM)
actually, i think tenaga setia quite pro la in a way dat, they show u all thier stock level/incoming delivery...so if u book, immediately they'll allocate it 2 u...oso, think SA is oso quite frenly (my wife bought city previously here, but prev SA already quit, now new SA still frenly...den my aunty bought city oso from USJ later on, SA oni useful when sell, after dat no assist in ny query - eg : service, etc)
mayb jest my luck 2 meet wif gud SA...but den, if da SA is axy, i sure wun buy from them...nyway, still think Honda SA+overall still better den "T"   tongue.gif
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Last time when I bought my City in 2004 from Mofaz in TTDI, my SA was really helpful. But the same can't be said about his colleague. It so happened on that day my phone battery was weak and I needed to charge my phone to make some important calls, too bad my SA was using a diff brand phone so he asked this sour-faced colleague to lend me his charger. The joker lent it to me, but at the same time felt the need to lecture me that I should always keep my phone charged la, battery die faster so what, calls more important bla bla. Actually on that day I traded in my car to Mofaz, and my in-car charger was with me but my new car was still not at the showroom yet, that's why I couldn't charge my phone smile.gif

Just goes to show, sometimes all these sales reps care about is making a sale, if you're not their customer don't expect them to treat you well. No long term vision, you never know if one day he/she may become your customer, who knows? Apart from my own SA and the Mofaz branch manager, I really regret having to bump into any of the other SAs, especially that shorty "lecturer" with the shoulder-length hair who looks like an Asian Barry Manilow lol.

Apart from that lousy episode, the service guys at Mofaz are quite friendly and will take the time to explain what's wrong with your car. Even my own SA, a few yrs later when I called up to ask some questions about servicing he got me the right info. I'd definitely buy from there again if my next car is another Honda.

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post Jul 21 2010, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(drgnkid @ Jul 21 2010, 09:27 AM)
Just to add on, generally from my experience so far, I feel that Honda has the best PR/Service around. I have been to T and Peu but they seem to be too stuck up. I have been to Honda Tenaga Setia (222) and Sumber Auto (Seksyen 13) and both showrooms offered very good service.

I placed my pre-launch booking with Sumber Auto for a 1.8S-L (T White). My SA said I should get the car next month but I might be pushing back delivery to September. My SA is Ms. Lemon Yap - good service.  thumbup.gif
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Interesting name, Lemon smile.gif She won't be able to sell cars in US with that name though lol. Just kidding at the irony.
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post Aug 12 2010, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(ky-l @ Aug 11 2010, 11:57 PM)
Hi,

how to check how bad is damage on chassis. Recovered my stolen eg6 but the front chassis was damaged due to accident. Any recommended mechanic to pull back chassis?
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Normally the insurance company will appoint a panel workshop to kau tim for you. After that then sell the car loh. Buang suey.....


Added on August 12, 2010, 1:11 am
QUOTE(yaphong @ Aug 11 2010, 10:48 PM)
Kena steal la.

Sigh, very sad when looking at the CCTV. They straight can open my car boot (Civic doesn't have the remote boot opener, need to use key) then can open my car door within a 2 minutes.

The remaining time they were working on my brake lock.

I will try to upload my CCTV video if possible.
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Oh d@mn, sorry to hear that. It would be good if you can share with us how the mofos managed to open your car door just by opening your car boot.

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post Aug 12 2010, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(ky-l @ Aug 12 2010, 01:32 AM)
But i wanna keep it... it's an original eg6 smile.gif

So looking for a good workshop to get the chassis back into shape.
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Isn't it up to the insurance company which panel workshop to use? You mean you can appoint your own workshop?


Added on August 12, 2010, 11:13 am
QUOTE(invisiblelim @ Aug 12 2010, 11:04 AM)
oh.. B2R.. thx..
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D2R not B2R smile.gif Just curious though, why would you want to swap out a perfectly fine brand new HID bulb?

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post Aug 13 2010, 02:53 AM

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QUOTE(yaphong @ Aug 12 2010, 10:12 PM)
Sad la, today go Honda Customer Service the dude just said there is nothing we can do. Even if you want to replace your car we cannot give you discount, any assurance that your car will not be stolen again or such.

Donno what is the purpose of customer service
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I think you're expecting too much from the customer service if you're looking for more than just a pat on your shoulder and an empathetic look on their faces. Cars get stolen everyday. You can't expect them to give discounts for every case right? Sorry for your loss again. However, it's better to move on and if you want to make a difference, upload that vid you were talking about and perhaps other Civic owners can learn a thing or two. I still don't understand how the basterds managed to get the doors unlocked via the boot. Still waiting for your answer.

My relative's 6mth old CRV was stolen from within the house compound! Nobody heard or saw anything, it happened in the dead of night. He's driving an FD2 now. The autogate is now padlocked for slightly better security, and there's a motion sensor in the car with a remote alarm that he keeps in his room.
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QUOTE(yaphong @ Aug 13 2010, 08:36 PM)
What can you learn? As Honda explicitly discourage you to modify any parts of your car even for additional safety feature, their own OEM security is highly questionable. They can break in two minutes. So what can we do?

We pay so much to Honda and we don't deserve a better support from them? Cars get stolen everyday because manufacturer doesn't give a **** to their customer. Charge you heavily and give you crappy security then tell you don't modify.

When professional thief comes, then he has a smile on his face because everything is the same from the factory.

I will try to upload my CCTV video soon but you can't see how they can open the boot or the door. It just opened.
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I do agree that stock car alarms are useless in most cases when dealing with high-tech professional thieves. You can only install steering and brake locks to slow them down. If you can prove that Honda's security system is crappy, do publicise the matter so every Honda owner will make noise. Since you already said that a pro thief is smiling cos everything is the same from the factory, it matters not if you have a high end system or a ciplak system. All they have to do is "train" with your car model. They will also be able to train with a Merc or BMW smile.gif In this case, I don't think you can blame Honda for their choice of immobiliser cos it won't make a difference smile.gif


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post Aug 14 2010, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(yaphong @ Aug 14 2010, 12:03 AM)
Well I don't know whether you lost your car before but maybe you will speak differently when your new car is stolen.
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Like I said, my relative lost his CRV. My friend lost his Satria on his first day at a new workplace. So although I don't have firsthand experience on losing a car it has happened to ppl I know and care about. So boo hoo, go cry all you want but if you have nothing to share except wanting a shoulder to cry on pls go elsewhere. How many times you want ppl to say sorry for your loss? I've said it a few times to you already. Not enough? Time to wake up bro. And it's not like you already spent a lot of money modding the car so you'll get back whatever balance after settling with the bank. Big deal.

If you want more ppl to sympathise with your loss, do the right thing by sharing so others might avoid such a sad ending.

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QUOTE(yaphong @ Aug 14 2010, 11:29 PM)
Here is the video as promised.



No alarm was sounded throughout the entire process. The thief started from the boot and proceed to open the door. This is Honda Engineering.

Note: I have speed up of the last part because the thief is working hard inside the car and you cannot see him. It took him awhile probably because he needs to break my brake lock.
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Thanks for sharing that painful video. Sorry again for your loss. From that video, I gather that the basterd mofos took quite a bit of time to take care of your brake lock. The evil deed would've been completed much faster if you hadn't had the lock installed. Btw, what about steering lock. Did you have one installed? It is clear that the brake lock has met its objective, which is to slow them down. The more locks they have to dismantle, the longer it will take and the more suspicious passersby would be.

From now on, if I see a big black SUV or whatever parked suspiciously like that, I will try and see if the car being blocked is being "worked" on or not.

It's too bad that it's not against the law to double park like that even though the driver is in the car. If a strict ban was in place, the method employed to steal yaphong's car wouldn't have worked. If the general public was more alert, those who passed by would've suspected something amiss, since there was ample parking space yet the SUV was double parked.

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QUOTE(jovi69 @ Aug 17 2010, 11:38 AM)
haha.. not really.. if they wana join can but they have dificult to understand waht we are talking sometimes..
is something like English forum...

we welcome everyone ..
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May I know what you mean by "is something like English forum"? You mean to say Malays and Indians won't understand English? Or just the "something like English" used in your forum that only Chinese can understand?
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post Aug 22 2010, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(stupidbump @ Aug 22 2010, 10:33 AM)
Dear civic owners, recently i sent my car for full polish and wax at CARS One Utama.
After the polish, my reverse sensor now keeps beeping everytime i engage R gear, even if there is no obstacle behind me.
Whats the problem? Anyone experience this before?
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Reverse sensors are very sensitive as they rely on sound waves to operate. It is possible that the wax or sealant has somehow altered the sensitivity of the sensors. I don't know if it happens to you, but for me, when it's raining or just after rain and the sensors are slightly wet, they go crazy and beep non stop.

Also, the sensors have to be placed upright (there's usually a little arrow on the sensor to indicate which way is up. Fitting them any other way than up will cause them to beep even though there's nothing behind you. You might want to check if the CARS ppl removed the sensors to machine buff your bumper and may have accidentally re-fitted them the wrong way.
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QUOTE(Nimzai @ Aug 23 2010, 08:13 PM)
Whats the market price for a 06' Civic or '07 Civic ?

Anyone selling ?  tongue.gif
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Go look in mudah.my You're looking for FD1 or FD2?
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QUOTE(jovi69 @ Sep 3 2010, 12:25 PM)
Please dun get me wrong.. 

Other forum like MHCC or Team ES mostly are malay and most of the time they are using malay, so this ivtecclub is mainly chinese and we only use English. 

Please im not that racist eventhough many shits appear lately.
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Wow I thought this issue was dead and buried smile.gif Nevertheless since you brought it up; it doesn't matter which way a forum goes. You can state that in your forum policy, i.e., language, code of conduct etc. So what if a forum consists of mainly Chinese forummers, is it wrong for a non-Chinese to join, as long as they communicate within the forum in English? I'm Chinese, but somehow your earlier post sounded a little too pro-Chinese, heck you even said you're "not that racist" lol. I'll take that as your not so strong command of the language and not that you're really a little racist smile.gif That's why I asked if the English used in that forum can only be understood by Chinese due possibly to the idiosyncrasies used, i.e., using Chinese metaphors to describe things like "mou tak teng", "wah lau weh", "yau mou kau chor", "si beh jiak lat" etc lol.

Maybe I'm not that big a forum junkie, but I don't recall any forums I've ever visited or joined that mentioned anything about being any particular race, but usually only about language used. You don't have to mention anything, let ppl decide when they're visiting your forum whether or not they're comfortable in communicating in a particular language, if not they quietly disappear la, right?

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