There is a torque dip around 3.8K rpm, what happen?

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Added on March 5, 2009, 8:18 amAT can BOT but u need to have ATF cooler for ur AT transmission. To get optimum result of BOT u need to change ur torque converter as well. But getting a correct torque converter wil cost u some time and numerous of study as well as $.

Not only Turbo kit, u need to change ur fuel injectors, piggyback, compession ratio, fuel pump, fuel regulator, entire exhaust system and braking of course. With all the above parts changed, u still unable to run at high boost that's mainly ur engine internal part will lost the reliability. So changing internal part for campro will be like customisation.

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Added on March 5, 2009, 8:33 amu know what, last time i was so eagerly to buy the R3 camshaft and i even called up to R3 division several times and until today they never release the camshaft for Campro. They will only take urs and regrind.


This post has been edited by zenwarlord: Mar 5 2009, 08:33 AM

referring to the Paultan graph there no dip point, it's only goes flat then up again.

For your case it start to drops at 3.2K rpm when it goes rich and it getting worst when at 3.8K to 3.9K rpm. Meanhile from 3.2K to 4.3K the torque is almost the same while in between it get worst. That could probably due to insufficient air or exhaust release too fast.

Secondly the torque die off after 5k rpm, that's pretty too early. I wonder that is the nature of CPS graph?

I guess the paultan graph has been "smoothen" as some dyno machine software are doing so, which brand i dun want to mentioned here.
I really not sure how the VIM works, can u enlighten me? Maybe it could be something related to it as u mentioned.

Yes, the torque is going down after 5K rpm and that's the problem. My Gen2 campro torque start to down at 5.5K rpm.

thanks for the info. As it mentioned the Short runner suppose for high lift, but from 3.8K ~ 4.8K it still use Long runner despite already in Hig lift, probably this is the root cause.

i really dun understand when the high lift Short runner the torque die off slowly...

usually the air was not being force, it was being sucked in. Yes u feel the lack as u always complaint there is no power after 5k rpm especially on 5th gear. Btw, did u still feel the hard pull after 5k rpm? I mean from 1,2 & 3.

If u able to get a almost constant torque then that consider good.

I afraid u can't only remove the VIM as it work with other component in the engine as mentioned on the article. Maybe has to remove some other component as well.


This post has been edited by zenwarlord: Mar 5 2009, 03:16 PM

yes that's right. The piggy should be able to do the job. But I dunno what piggy they recomend to u, to me I'll go for Haltech Interceptor as it work well during close loops and able to control your ignition timing. Some ppl claim Unichip able to do as what Haltech Interceptor does, but I would rather go for product that R3 is using.

Standalone come into picture when you've done major mod on your engine internal and running on seriously high HP.

kanasai lu...want to cari pasal is it? later i challenge u Relau -> Paya Terubong touge only u know.....scare or not? hahaha

ooh my version is slightly different, whoever that skid the most during connering win the race hahahahaha

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Added on March 6, 2009, 11:25 amthen u can try use more simple piggy like AFC Neo lo....very cool bling bling...hehehe. But mine always hiding. Only problem is AFC Neo can't function during low throttle but work fine in high (full) throttle.

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Added on March 6, 2009, 11:27 amtalk about running lights, did u guy ever think of creating CPS engage light?


This post has been edited by zenwarlord: Mar 6 2009, 11:27 AM

i think any shocker will dead fast if often carry heavy load....

maybe can mod the macpherson strut to become spring absober like lorry use type....

if u want to change the spring only then consider Tein, Eibach & R3.....

U see after i post then eujinee come tembak me old man again hahaha....

Tein is quite good infact, quite soft when couple with stock shocker. I'm using that perviously then sold off to eujinee as i feel dizzy even not so bumpy, secondly it too low for me. After all it's consider quite comfortable for sport spring. Performance wise is good and no doubt about that.

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Added on March 6, 2009, 1:14 pmyes the emanage are very much low profile and more controlling point compare to AFC Neo which Emanage has 256point (hi and low throttle) while AFC Neo 32 point. AFC Neo can tune on the spot while Emanage got to plug in the laptop, so if u wanna do on road tuning with wideband sensor then emanage will be very difficult, unless the wideband gadget like Innovate LM2 that able to store data then different story.

If i'm not wrong the shop that i always go here is selling RM750 for the Eibach Prokit.

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Added on March 6, 2009, 1:17 pmhave u been to N1? My mechanic always go there.

This post has been edited by zenwarlord: Mar 6 2009, 01:21 PM

initially Eibach was my target but finally getting Tein was one of my friend wanna let go so i grab it. How about u try to sit in both car with Eibach and Tein then only u decide? Bcos buying spring really cant hurry as it will affected ur comfortability during driving.

Spacer basically most of them are made of aluminum and those spacer might have surface flatness issue. Imagine if the surface are uneven then both side that contact directly to either knuckle or rims might have some gap in between or even worst if the thickness varies from 1 side to anohter.

Secondly, normal condition there's only 1 connection between rim n knuckle. If u use spacer then u have 1 connection between spacer and knuckle then another connection between spacer with rim. The more connection u have the more surface air gap u get, then this micro surface gap will give micro movement and it's good enuf to cause stability issue when u move fast. Other then that not to forget the surface of our original knuckle are not mirror finish surface neither the rim.

Even you have a mirror finish surface and harden steel for knuckle, spacer & rims u still facing surface air gap since there is no "flat" surface in the world. It's only "flat" to our naked eyes.

This post has been edited by zenwarlord: Mar 6 2009, 02:20 PM

ok so i manage to poison someone hahahaha

If u want more precise setting and control of A/F then go for e-manage. But the due to alot points then the tuning will take alot of time and more headache. If u want more simple and straight forward piggy then AFC Neo. If i given 2nd chance to choose piggy i'll go for e-manage.

I heard alot of ppl can't use e-manage on campro Siemen VDO ECU but yes for AFC Neo.

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Added on March 6, 2009, 3:50 pmThe engage light i mentioned is when u r in CPS zone there is some DIY LED light up, it's is good for us to do visual checking whether the CPS is engage or else. Sometime the click sound are too small to aware of.

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Added on March 6, 2009, 3:51 pmsome ppl claims it's softer compare to Tein. I've not experience it yet.


This post has been edited by zenwarlord: Mar 6 2009, 03:51 PM

I have done my mivec indicator and tomorrow will do some wiring. Hopefully it runs well.

Basically u need to know which one is CPS wiring from ECU pins out or at engine, then u need to know whether it's using ground or (+) to turn on CPS. From there u can tap wire to LED with resistor.

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Added on March 6, 2009, 4:03 pmNoooo plan to change piggy yet hehehehe......

last time i have a forum buddy who did his campro with AFC Neo. If I'm not mistaken he did the installation from either JC or N1. Perhaps u can ask JC 1st and see whether they can install for campro and u can ask them is that got 1 gen2 black install the AFC from them and take part in Sepang Drag. Over here in PG got shop that able to install AFC for campro.

This post has been edited by zenwarlord: Mar 6 2009, 04:04 PM

ooh yea....now i remember is JC. When i last met him at sepang drag his car is with huge JC Racing sticker on the body. So confirm is JC. Comment from him they did a good job to his car on AFC Neo. Hopefully the AFC Neo can control the CPS engage point hehehe....

me very busy with my product la, still working with the manufacturer on the design...somemore company blocked msn.

Oh yea...i've tested with Swift earlier, outrun them....hehe

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Added on March 8, 2009, 1:53 pmok...here is my mivec light project...My camera do not have nite vision, so too dark hehehe.










This post has been edited by zenwarlord: Mar 8 2009, 01:53 PM