QUOTE(aznan83 @ Mar 12 2009, 02:03 PM)
what a waste u did not keep a copy of dyno chart for memory. By the way what garrett gt30r turbo dyno has to do with your 400hp wira?*Proton CPS club V3.99, First page UPDATED!!!
*Proton CPS club V3.99, First page UPDATED!!!
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Mar 13 2009, 08:29 AM
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QUOTE(eujinee @ Mar 13 2009, 08:16 AM) im changing my alarm system...just bought it online.... if u wanna throw away ur ori alarm, please give it to me hehehehe.....http://www.rev.com.my/index.php?main_page=...products_id=143 need to protect my car....ori waja alarm still got alot limitation...eventhough it has immobilizer and boot release.. |
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Mar 13 2009, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(aznan83 @ Mar 13 2009, 12:13 PM) our campro, it use garrett gt35r turbo & forge internal & do some head work... for sure can get 450hp no prob... Are u sure about the figure ka bro? If u able to get 450hp for 1.6L campro, I bet ur name will in be Guiness World of Record la man.By the way I curious how u know ur wira produce 400hp? did u send for dyno or u based on compressor map and do calculation? |
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QUOTE(norseman @ Mar 13 2009, 01:13 PM) Curious too, cuz the gain is fantastic. No no...v must learn from his successful project on wira then applied it into our super 450hp CPS. After that we can take part in Sepang drag for Category A or B no need to always depends on category Campro. Correct ka aznan83?But he's right, this thread supposed to talk about our beloved CPS... |
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QUOTE(aznan83 @ Mar 13 2009, 02:45 PM) ok... I see, but I dunno how to read turbo map la...that's the problem.See garrett gt30r spec. output = 310-525hp ( you need to know how to read turbo map ) if we boost only 1bar with gt30r with healthy engine + no choke at intake & exhaust...... we can get 350++ hp on engine already... boost 2bar??? huhuhuhuhu with 40lb/min flow of air enter engine + correct mixture of fuel (12.5AFR)..... the explosion will generate power roughly 400hp on engine.... more hi flow turbo... more horse we get.... but need to know.. more big turbo... need more exhaust gas to flow... maybe if gt30r use at campro, it full boost around 4500-5000rpm..... but redline 7000rpm.... only 2000rpm got power... huhuhuhu.. need to do engine balancing & upgrade all part of engine head.... so our campro can rev till 9000rpm... so we got power from 5000-9000rpm.... but you once you select to use gt30r...... all part need to replace to hi performance.... maybe total upgrade to get 450hp campro over rm50k evo engine is diff. coz stock internal are quite tough, no need to replace forge internal of not above 400hp mark.... can save money there.... internal part are expansive.... ___________ for your info, now ppl use hybrid td04 & td05 turbo for campro.... got around 200hp @ 0.6bar boost... all stock internal... fuel control buy emanage... but fuel injector need to upgrade.. ( hehe secret injector) Now my mivec producing 250hp if I add gt30r turbo, how much hp i can get? Can u help to calculate for me? |
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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Mar 13 2009, 06:56 PM) I've saw the chart and the more confusing I get. How you calculate hp from that chart for a 1 bar boost.. like ppl said "if u can't convience them, u confuse them"Let me calculate... http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=258035 |
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QUOTE(eujinee @ Mar 13 2009, 07:33 PM) replace bro....ori cant add on anyting...not really susah to bring extra remote..coz my car key also got like 4 keychains..if minus 1 keychain my gf gona kill me .....haha.. I cannot provide training la....wait la..wait I make my car pass thru 450hp then I can become trainer d. First thing first I must learn how to calculate.thts the headache part..installing...nid to find a reliable and good workmanship workshop...if not...thn kong tiou already... Added on March 13, 2009, 7:34 pm so cham meh.... Added on March 13, 2009, 7:38 pmim getting headache with this thread..so much turbo la..mapping la...gear ratio la..... need to attend some engine training liou....im so noob...im totaly lost in sum place....aznan..nid u to conduct some training liou...hahha...zenwarlord can provide it too... |
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QUOTE(aznan83 @ Mar 14 2009, 12:33 AM) huhuhu... 250hp mivec??? superb.... my car nothing special la, still running in 1.6 block but over size pistons and do some head mod and Jun type II cam kits with 11.1 compression. you use 1.8 block or 2.0 block?? but 2.0 block is very rare... for sure it not stock 1.6 block.... how about compression ratio?? what piston do you use.... what camshaft?? it super hard to get 250hp on na engine.... can share your mod to us.... your mivec wanna put gt30r?.... need to mod engine first... low down compression ratio to 9:1 or 8.7:1 if boost 2bar... for sure got above 400hp..... ____________________ huhuhu .... eujinee, me cannot laaa.... dunno how to teach ppl... no talent to be a teacher.... me oso still learning laaa.... alot more thing i dun no.... sharing info is good.... _____________________ link that sphiroth give is very informative... read it until understand... kekekeke here i got link how to calculate power.... http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/turbo/turboflow.html study time... huhuhuhuhu Now I planning to use Pajero Injectors "if" I install gt30r turbo then boost 4bar, do u think it will work? Compression ratio is no problem, I can use GSRT oversize pistons and internals. |
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QUOTE(aznan83 @ Mar 14 2009, 09:20 AM) haiizzz,,,, why still asking me?? from compressor map gt30r cannot boost at 4bar looo... not efficient at all... for sure it will kabooommm... for your info, 2bar boost to get 55lb/min flow,gt30r need to spin 144956rpm... 2.2 -2.5bar is the max for that turbo... I really dunno la so need ur help, my knowledge are so limited that's y i only manage to gain 254hp (to be exact). If pajero injectors cant cope for gt30r turbo, then what injectors suits the best?just boost 1.5bar looo.... very2 efficient.... power 400hp... 2wd car... turst me, you will get serious traction prob.. maybe using water injectoin or dry ice intercooler your engine can survive with 4bar.... but you put a lot of stress on turbo itself... for sure the turbo will kong super fast.... huhuhuhu.... gsrt piston wanna boost 4bar??? forget about it.... want to use pajero injector with gt30r???? are you kidding ..... need to use min. 700cc injector if wanna use that tubo... but i smell fishy laaa... hahahaha.... zenwarlord, are you sure not know about this??? or you just testing my knowledge... hahahahahaha __________________________________________ for your mivec, i totally not believe that spec can produce 250hp.... mati hidup balik pn takkan dapat..... hehehehe...... you hide your mod from us right?? dun wat ppl curi your skill??? with yr spec above..... maybe around 160-180whp only with healty engine... Really, my mivec have 254hp but of course I have some secret resipe that i cannot share la....and too bad I dun have dyno chart to share, last time the tuner printer spoilt so cannot print |
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QUOTE(J'Daniel @ Mar 14 2009, 10:46 AM) 1st batch, without spoiler, brown dashboard and door panel, ECU different mapping, rough mild brown cushion cloth2nd batch, with spoiler, black n brown dashboard and door panel, soft beige cushion cloth, thicker side skirt 3rd batch, with spoiler, black dashboard and door panel, black cushion cloth 4th batch (CPS version), blacken head light, different spoiler, front lips & rear apron bodykit, black with red lining door panel and cushion cloth, leather gear knob with red lining, leather with red lining steering. Added on March 14, 2009, 5:25 pm QUOTE(aznan83 @ Mar 14 2009, 12:35 PM) zenwarlord... i'm using 255lph wallbro now (brought in USA), the lph enough? the nissan ca18 conrod, what is the length? is it the same length with gsr? The toyota supercharge piston using which type? 4agze?just upgade yr fuel pump to walbro.... but care, walbro alot of imitation now... injector.... go for power interprice or sard 700cc injector....have money go for 800-1000cc injector... ecu need to upgrade oso... go for microtech.... wanna save money, go for megasquirt (rm2000 only for stadalone ecu)... but not many tuner really familiar with it... just find GSR block & use back mivec head...... you got 1.8cc.... faster turbo spool.... for conrod..... alot ppl use ca18 ... more tough than stock gsr.... piston use toyota supercharge piston..... it already ceramic coating... This post has been edited by zenwarlord: Mar 14 2009, 05:25 PM |
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QUOTE(aznan83 @ Mar 14 2009, 07:40 PM) ok.... fuel pump enough.... The 4agze piston stroke is 77mm while the ori 4G93 is 89mm. What we should do with the extra 12mm on the block?yaa ca18 length same with gsr... lots of ppl use it on gsr..... but need to skim both side of the conrod to fit it on gsr... piston.... yup 4agze... wanna use ca18 piston also can... but need to do at good workshop.... rojak internal is dangerous .... but i not recommend doing it.... but is cheap compare to forge internal... have money go for forge looo... no pening kepala.. _____________________ anything just pm loo.... this is cps forum..... no problem la...we can discuss openly, cps member here would like to learn also. Who knows maybe someone will come out with something rojak cps? right? |
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QUOTE(aznan83 @ Mar 15 2009, 09:10 AM) hummm.... car stroke depend on crankshaft.... not the conrod .. you can made 77mm stoke engine with 200mm conrod ..... & 77mm stoke with 100mm conrod..... if the piston same siza... the cc will be the same.... so the cc depend on the piston & crankshaft...... not the conrod.... bro, I mean the piston stroke not conrod. 4agze piston 81mm x 77mm while GSR piston is 81mm x 89mm, that means the deck clearence by 12mm. Don't that will causes the engine running under extreme low compression of 6.5:1?so the shorther conrod design, the less stress engine will take..... less stroke crankshaft.... less stress oso.... so need less stoke engine to build hi rev engine.... for ca18 & gsr conrod length... it almost the same.... so it can be use in gsr block with minor mod. so while building my 4g63t.... i remain with stock stroke... no need to stoker it to 2400cc .... if 2400cc... stroke 100mm.. max rev 7200rpm.... rev above that... engine bearing makan or engine kaaaboomm... stock 4g63t stroke + head job mod..... can safely rev to 9000rpm.... so power band more, easier to select bigger turbo... engine stress also can be calculated..... please find it yourself in the internet.... hehehehhehe |
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QUOTE(aznan83 @ Mar 15 2009, 01:57 PM) hummm... you still dun understand bore X stroke...... can you tell me what you understand about 81mm X 89mm??? The bore taken from BDC to TDC, no doubt about that.i think 81mm X 89mm you think like this : 81mm = piston diameter 89mm = piston height no no no.... that wrong.... the correct is below : 81mm = cylinder bore 89mm = piston can travel from top to bottom 89mm (stroke) what the devices that make piston travel from top to bottom at 89mm?? conrod = devices to link crankshart & piston... no care how long the conrod... the cc will still the same if piston & crank same... crankshaft = this item make stroke to your engine... use diff crank, cc will change, coz of stroke change... what diff. ca18 & 4g93t ?? conrod = almost same length piston = only diameter diff, piston pin almost at same location crankshaft = diff stroke, gsr 89mm ... ca18 83.6mm so... the piston & conrod ca18 can be used in gsr...... not the crankshaft... but if wanna use ca18 piston need to rebore.... just use 4agze lah.. no need to rebore i hope you understand............... huhuhu... trying my best to make you understand... huhuhuu ok let's make it simple, what is the deck clearance if use 4agze piston on 4G93 block? This post has been edited by zenwarlord: Mar 15 2009, 07:39 PM |
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QUOTE(aznan83 @ Mar 15 2009, 09:31 PM) you need piston spec lah... i dun have it try search over internet looo.... if you want that detail.. so, what u plan to mod ur new engine? i just talk base on ppl mod on gsr.... a lot of ppl do it already... no worry the piston not hit the valve loo... it will be just ok... not too high compression or too low... wanna low down compression just use thick gasket or mod piston top.... Added on March 15, 2009, 9:34 pm have a look here... quite cheap... http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/eng...Dunichip-q.html |
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QUOTE(aznan83 @ Mar 16 2009, 10:00 AM) - campro 1.3 piston , it same size but hi compression design. but need to check clearance coz we have valve lifting... do u consider do crank balancing and replace all the bearings? What is the 1.3 compression? the 1.6 is 10.1:1.- unichip - 4-1 extanded primary race extractor. - open pod air filter + cold air intake - camshaft, go find charlie at matspeed.. he can customize for you.. - port & polish - this need to rnd.... bigger not always better.. - need to study about vim, it will restrict power or not.. coz it design to gain low torque.. if it restrict power at hi rpm, just use back old campro intake.. - exhaust, just use stock cps 2" pipe + straight flow muffler if manual... - adjustable fuel regulator - light weight crankpully - cable plug + sprakplug + coil - not give power, it give more throttle respond - rebore throttle body maybe can have 150-160whp with good tuning or just bolt on turbo to our campro..... easily get 200hp.. |
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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Mar 16 2009, 01:10 PM) The nonCPS campro only got 100++ WHP. So a 40hp increase is already considered a lot for an NA engine. that hard to tell from naked eyes, u have to install it only can know. Maybe u can ask him where he brought it and whether the items still in warranty or else. carefull for the conman pay after install is more safer.BTW, someone offer me unichip Q+ (used for 6 month) for rm1.2k including harness. Issit a good deal, and how to check for faulty unit? This post has been edited by zenwarlord: Mar 16 2009, 01:18 PM |
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