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n00b13
post Dec 27 2011, 01:21 PM

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I loved the movie. Best of the series, and best action movie of the year without a doubt.

I think what you guys need to realize is how intentionally different it is from the rest of the series - because every movie in the series has been different from each other.

1st - twisty, convoluted mystery
2nd - operatic Hong Kong-style action and romance
3rd - gritty and intensely personal

And this one? Is just plain fun. Not an out-and-out action comedy, but more light-hearted than every other so far. The plot is a rollercoaster from start to finish, and it just doesn't bother to delve into the characters or get too emotional. It doesn't intend to.

I think a lot of people's criticisms against it stem from the fact that they just don't understand what it's intending - that they want the movie to be something it's not.
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post Dec 27 2011, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(reehdus @ Dec 27 2011, 01:57 PM)
I disagree. There were a lot of shortcuts in the plot. In the 3rd movie we're made to understand that he got married and left this life behind, and then suddenly he's separated from his wife to protect her and conveniently able to undertake missions again.
Explained quite adequately in the end.

QUOTE(reehdus @ Dec 27 2011, 01:57 PM)
And need I mention the criminal underuse of veteran actor Anil Kapoor's talents and Simon Pegg's wit (the jokes were meh at best)?
Why criminal overuse? Kapoor's sole purpose was comic relief and he fulfilled it just fine. Also, I thought Simon Pegg's jokes were pretty funny, and so did the rest of the cinema audience with me. Seems like you were unlucky enough to be in an unresponsive crowd.

QUOTE(reehdus @ Dec 27 2011, 01:57 PM)
If the movie intends to be one you're not supposed to take seriously, then it succeeds. I personally had different expectations but I guess that must be just me.
Exactly what I meant.


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post Dec 27 2011, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Dec 27 2011, 07:37 PM)
While I agree with a lot of what you said, was the new movie that much different from the third? Sure, the third had more intense pacing and tone (big chunk due to Hoffman), but it was also a whole damn lot of fun. This one was lighter, brisker, and not that different. The first three movies were all very different, of course.
Tone is exactly what differentiates this one from the others. Third one had Ethan Hunt watching the love of his life get murdered before his eyes. That's J.J. Abrams' trademark, combining action and suspense with personal emotional stakes. MI4 had nothing so serious, and was even a bit light-hearted. It had Hunt yelling "Mission... accomplished!!!" laugh.gif And there was definitely something almost-comedic about how one thing after another goes wrong with their plans. They couldn't even use their masks this time, because their mask-making machine broke down for no reason.

QUOTE(QuickFire @ Dec 27 2011, 07:37 PM)
I just feel that III accomplished almost everything that was good and fun here whilst also being more thrilling overall.
I liked III just fine. But for sheer action craftsmanship, MI4 is better.
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post Dec 28 2011, 03:55 AM

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QUOTE(reehdus @ Dec 28 2011, 12:14 AM)
Whether or not it was explained doesn't change the fact that it was a shortcut meant to retcon the ending of III so Cruise can pull more sequels out of the MI hat.
In other words, you would prefer that Ethan Hunt retire happily and there'll be no more Mission: Impossible movies? Then why are you watching this one?

QUOTE(reehdus @ Dec 28 2011, 12:14 AM)
The fact that Kapoor was only used as comic relief was a criminal underuse for me. He's a veteran actor, very capable of pulling off an even meatier role rather than the 2-bit 5 minute part he was given.
Too bad. I thought Chow Yun-Fat was criminally underused in Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End. But the fact is, Kapoor's role is just that. If you want to give him a meatier role - maybe make him the main villain, or something - you are thinking about the script that you want to write, not the movie you're watching.

QUOTE(reehdus @ Dec 28 2011, 12:14 AM)
Simon Pegg's jokes are typically deeper and more cynical with double meaning as he showed in Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead. Granted he probably didn't write his lines here but it was more slapstick, situational humour; not the humour I was used to watching him deliver.
Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead are movies that Pegg himself wrote (along with Edgar Wright). This is not one of them. Pegg has acted in plenty movies he did not write himself, and he has no problem doing so.

QUOTE(reehdus @ Dec 28 2011, 12:14 AM)
The mask making thing kinda highlighted another minor issue for me though. A world famous assassin, looking to sell codes to a nuclear device for a hefty amount of money (or diamonds), did not bother to look up what the person she was selling to looked like? And vice versa?
Not a problem to me. Lots of people are not comfortable with putting up public profiles of themselves with their pictures on the internet, why would an assassin and a terrorist do so?

Again, it seems like your problem with the movie is that you have too many unfair expectations of it.





 

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