but the reality is Aego M speaker was pawned by Klipsch Promedia on the sound for metal bro. That was true. I know why you said that Aego M was a great speaker because somebody (audiophiles maybe, who most of 'em not listening to 'TRUE' metal sound...) said it was good because of the clarity produced on the mid range sound.. Metal didn't need a good clarity sound especially on the vocal part if you're listening to brutal death metal, gothenburg-style death metal, dark metal, power metal, avantgarde or thrashcore, crossover, sludge-metal, gore grind, porno grind, gore-grind-death or metalcore-wannabe-deathmetal or doom death, or black thrash metal. Only Folkloric metal need acoustic speaker if you know the norwegian band like Storm. These type of music was said as an "obscure music", of which the vocal part with deep growl-deep-throat or grunt-throat didn't need to be exposed over the music itself... It should be set lower than music itself. So that's why i said that speaker was not a best setup for these type of metal music at all... Believe me bro, that Metal music didn't need a good acoustic speaker, because musically METAL stand for the music as a passion at first before the vocal itself. I was been into metal scene for 2 decades already since 1990 and i'm still listening up to a new school sound 'metalcore-wannabe-deathmetal' sound produced by In Flames culprit over the metalcore band like Unearth, Lamb of God, Neaera, Devils Wear Prada, I Killed The Prom Queen, Killswitch Engaged, The Black Dahlia Murder, etc. I know some good buddy from your place too in SP, like acong dark coleseum zine... farid sailendra, man berek and mr otai zan of spermblast band... hahahahahha

actually not all the speakers can be good for all the music... all based on the user preference and some may produce better than others but in this case, you need to listen to all the speakers if you want to tell this speaker is good or not good.. By testing on the shop didn't give any ultimate result because the speaker itself need to be set on different sound, equalizer and such... etc etc... so, it takes time to make a comparison, which one suit your ears and good for most of the users.

This post has been edited by kInOzAwA: Apr 24 2010, 10:01 PM

It's not that high compared to the Aego's or Bose which IMHO are a rip off .

haha .. edifier & AL make value for money speakers ... I wouldn't call them high end

Really agree to this. Sounding like a fan boy here, but the speakers from Klipsch are probably the BEST for pc users. They sound brilliant for nearly everything (considering its a pc output of course)

but when you start using amps ... pc speakers are still some way behind

I wanna start this post by saying that I'm not and audiophile and I'm sorry if I didn't use the correct terms.

@bro kino
It's not your fault though when you think I'm saying something that I don't know. Actually I do know a bit about those speakers and those genres you're talking about. I didn't test all the speakers at shops, I simply borrowed them from my friends. My previous neighbor own that Klipsch and it's a great speaker but it didn't impress me, I borrowed it like for like 2 weeks and I played all kinda of songs that I like, I have to admit it sounds better than others when it comes to metal songs but like I said it doesn't have that integration between the satellites and the sub. It's like both were doing their job without caring much about the combination of the sound produced. The speaker was meant for bass heads with loud and piercing sound and I hate it. It's a love or hate speaker.

The same thing goes with Edifier S530D but with a decent satellites. Again klipsch is a winner if you think loud and piercing is nice for metal. Edifier brought something different to the table which made me favored them last time. S530D satellites were not piercing most of the time but shame when they didn't produce a more punchier sub. Klipsch and edifier are good for movies and games especially edifier. A lot more speakers like vs4121, atp3, creative SB series (but never got the chance to try the Gigaworks though), Sonic Gear(I'll buy this brand only if a guy point a gun to my head and force me to buy one), Logitech z5500(freaking awesome for movies, of course I have to take a couple of hours to complete the speaker placement), Logitech x230 (boleh la, haha~) and EP II (my 1st speaker, I love it though it's crappy )

What I really like is separation. I love to listen to a song and be able to separate the drum from the guitars if you know what I mean. Don't want it to be messy plus I'm not a fan of cloudy bass which will drown every other sound. Why do you think I always mention the satellites-sub integration part? Aego M answered my question of why and when to use the double bass in a song.

In my book, your idea is wrong when you said metal songs doesn't need clarity. Clarity is important, many confused with this clarity part when they think adding more clarity will make the song sound too noisy. Take that piercing sound off and replace it with crispier produced sound and I bet you'll feel less tiring listening to metal songs.
For example between the drum rolls, some drummer will hit the cymbals (which the bass drum will come together uniformly) before they shift to the toms and they'll do the same before shifting to the next tom and surprisingly with Aego M the sound didn't messed up between the rolls. (one of my speaker testing method) I can even tell you that the hit on cymbals are slightly uneven for it has such clarity and not clouded by bass and that piercing guitar riffs.

It's about perspective and it's subjective and even if I'm different, I'm not feeling the pressure cause I love it this way. hehe~

//Hurm.. Funny, for me I don't label any bands as culprits. As long as they produced a good material for me to hear, I'm happy and when they don't I'll search for other that can satisfy me. //

I did critic it (aego M) badly once, I even went as far as to say it's a gay speaker (dunno why I said that, hahaha)

I have the uttermost respect for you bro Kino but I hope you to understand that I just wanna point out my opinion, no hard feelings

Altec Lansing MX 5021 which I bought 5 years ago is still working like a charm!

middle high...not high end bro

Actually bro, you're wrong if you're comparing the Edifier with the Klipsch. Klipsch meant to be compared with Aego M. You can ask mr clawhammer who own both speakers before. He sold off his Aego M not long after he used it.. He said that the clarity between Aego M and Klipsch is about the same. Only that Aego M was lacked on the bass where audiophiles suggested him to put the sub volume on no 3 to make it noticeable, but it doesn't make any worth if you're listening to quite variety of numbers in music especially the R&B and/or techno stuff. Aego M is too soft in music too. But Aego M works wonderful in pop or any acoustical values of music or the broadway sound in 50's. Any vintage/classical/evergreen song in 60's that i can't deny that Aego M will works in wonders more than any other speakers you and i mentioned.

Actually you got a wrong point on Metal sound bro. How comes you said you didn't know about the genres of metal while you're said you're listening to metal bro? Metalcore isn't an original metal genre if you want to know... I can explain to you in details on each genres including its originality without referring to any google (most of the info there were fake if you're not into metal, only metaller will know what is metal all about) if you wanna know about the true sound of metal. Metaller should know what they're listening to which metal sub-genres if not it's considered poser.

Sorry if this sound too harsh, but i cannot lie upon myself that i have a bit disagreement on your terms about the sound produced by some speakers and metal in general conception on its sounds that we are mentioned here.

I thought you're misinterpreted on the terms 'vocal' and 'clarity'. Like what I've been said before that metal doesn't need the clarity on the vocal part.. see it again bro... if you're listening to TRUE METAL you'll understand what's the meaning of 'OBSCURE MUSIC'.. the deep-throat, grunt-throat or growl doesn't need a clarity on it. It's not like a mainstream music outta world (pop, r&b stuff) which is the vocal part is more important than anything else. You should refer back to the old-timer of metal in your place if you need any guidance about the determination about metal songs and the genres. I never being skeptical to any new comer in metal. But yes in decades ago i have been more arrogance when i'm talking about metal. It's my world, once my passion. I've spent a lot in my young ages to buy the stuff too and i've got a lot contact worldwide before the fake sound of metal existed (nu-age). It's because so many foolish noob trying to act like know when they're truly poser upon themselves. Sorry for being too harsh, but nowadays i'm more relaxed. So let's have a kit kat.. hahaha....

the conclusion, it's up to you.. if you like it go with it... just stay on the line... but for me, i got another views... i don't need any guidance to the light on what i'm listening to.. because it's up to the user preference..

//about the culprit, why i said so? i see 'em from the first appearance, so that's why i said so.. been into metal for long time you'll got the point then//

hahahahah i never said any gay to any speakers... every speakers got the pros and cons, it's up to the listeners on how they will interpret 'em.

As long as you happy with your opinion, i didn't mind.. i'm more open minded now

i voted for altec lansing. its da best i know so far ^^

so long ur posts..

altec FTW!!

Shifting it to level 3 will only make it worse since the bass will be more clouded, that's one the drawbacks of Aego M, if you prefer punchier bass, please seek for other alternatives. Hehe, like bro clawhammer, I have the Aego M and the Klipsch at the same time and I still think that Aego M edged in most of the songs but in movies and games the difference is clear - Klipsch is the true winner.

Actually we're different not in terms of listening music, nor in terms of which speakers we bought, we actually have different principles in accepting something (or anything), because I was once heading to that direction - being passionate about metal songs, being arrogant about my knowledge and belief, making all sorts of thing that gonna make me noticed in the local metal scene and many more. But luckily I'm also a passionate musician though I'm not that good at drums and guitars, but I still can play most of the songs I've listen to. I prefer drums, that's when it made all the difference. Songs with awesome drumming always catches my attention. Metalcore have such bands that catches my attention for time being. Back then I love Melodic Death Metal but then as the years pass by I really didn't care for that genre, only good musicians with good material will be in my list.

Speaking of which, actually I abandoned the option to know about the root for any music genre. I'm seeing a bigger picture, different perspective from you. I love music and I prefer metal and one of my friend said one have to be true metalhead to truly understand the metal songs but I answered, what if I just want to listen to a material that made me happy? What if I just wanna listen to the talents that have some knowledge that i can learn from? What if I'm just listening because I wanted to listen to it? Do you catch my drift?

I emphasized on clarity solely for the instruments, sorry misinterpreted that line .

I think it's good to agree to disagree, any more of this off topic discussion will only make us look bad.

Again, I hope you understand I'm not guiding you in how to listen to metal songs, I'm just pointing out the difference. I'm sorry if I did that again and again, just that I came across old timers like you a lot, and I like to share rather than create a flame between us. Well at least I gain something from your post so thanks for the knowledge.

Actually i'm not against Aego M speaker, the terms for this type of speaker, it's not the best of all the speakers... it's only one of the best for the decent quality sound out there.. Some may like and some don't... if we are depends on the review, the final conclusion could be different on each views between each people... Nothing come to a perfection in this world... If i really wanna get the best (still not the best.. haha) speaker i'll probably go with the Jamo, Marantz line with its premium products of course....

In terms of music, i'm not against you. Sometimes things were accepted in different views, even between metaller or not.. But at least you need to understand the things created and the back line history of each, before you can understand the principally of the roots of each.. The relation on each genres, the pioneer and such.. Without this thing, you're left without the principal of the first root and from where they're derives.. This is important as we don't want the root become crap and destroyed the old legacy that was hard drive by the old pioneers since NWOBHM era.
Genres were important young man, to bring a light of message to the listeners. Without the genres there will be no crowd and fan because it's created without the topic. Genre means to determine the different between each other, so you're knowing which one you're refer to.

Offtopic:
i'm not only listening to metal stuff.. i've been a cult to the j-rock, fusion jazz, electronica, hxc stuff too.. but it's not more than my main music which is metal. Whatever i'm listening to, probably i will be end on the root of where i am.


Ok, hope this will be the last offtopic... let's continue to the main purpose of this topic please..

This post has been edited by kInOzAwA: Apr 25 2010, 06:14 PM

Jamo is nice, seen once but the price tag, adoyai~ hahahahaha...

HI 5 bro, still using ACS 45.1 and still kicking ass although I repaired it twice already. Damn lucky I know someone who knows how to repair this speaker ! just pm bcktang

good pair of speakers + AMP + cable actually not cheap... just take a look on how the things can be customized... the same concept like the cooling solution too...

guys....i hav a question been on my mind for a longtime

is altec lansing ATP3 have amp build in?

I thought all speakers have amp built in, amplifier is to amplify the audio signal from the 3.5mm jack.

I'm using JBL Spot... I can say it is the best speaker

tq for da info...but some of da 2.1 sound are really horrible

Now using a pair of creative T20... sounds great, but my vote still goes to Edifier.

This post has been edited by danny_sp15: Apr 26 2010, 06:25 PM

now edifier and altec lansing are neck to neck

Wow Edifier & Altec Lansing are really popular in Malaysia. A while ago, when I was doing a survey on which speaker to buy, I found out that for 2.1 speaker, Logitech Z-2300 & Klipsch Promedia 2.1 are very popular & very highly rated compared to Edifier & Altec Lansing. For 5.1 speaker, Logitech Z-5500 is a clear winner.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not against any other brand. I myself am using Altec Lansing MX5021 & satisfied with the quality so far but I don't really have all the money to spend to try out other reccommended speakers out there.

AL & Edifier's popularity in Malaysia mainly is due to their strong marketing strategy & good value for money products. When you go to PC Fair, you can find that they always have promotion for their products.

For me, it is very hard to decide which is the best brand. Just choose a reputable brand that sounds best for you & the price is easy on your pocket.

This post has been edited by KaFai: Apr 29 2010, 11:43 AM