Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Stock market V20, Bull mali mali..

views
     
darkknight81
post Jan 14 2009, 05:01 PM

$$$$$$$$$$
*******
Senior Member
3,944 posts

Joined: Jul 2008


Don know y our KLCI still have good support even dowjones have been in red for 5 days already.
darkknight81
post Jan 14 2009, 09:08 PM

$$$$$$$$$$
*******
Senior Member
3,944 posts

Joined: Jul 2008


QUOTE(aoisky @ Jan 14 2009, 08:20 PM)
WOW u so confident, i think u lucky la isn't it? In such situation u might loss $ from UT and then loss to bursa as well.
for me I will hold my UT coz UT for long term investment la.


Added on January 14, 2009, 7:26 pm

mind to share with us which Fund or UT company causing ur parents loss $ during 1997?
curios cause that time I still primary school kid and me still greenhorn in investment this is 1st time I heard someone said investment in UT loss money till now still couldn't recover.
*
Yup can consider lucky i admit that. But by thinking that holding UT risk is lower is totally wrong. One example is the fund that bought by my mum PCSF AT RM 29 SEN i beliv now is below 15 sen. I din bother at all the fund price quite some times already.

Tell you one fact... the fund manager have one restriction during they do their investment.

If the stock go down really cheap :

1. They cannot buy it most of the time as unit holder may withdraw their investment so they got to sell during price is dirt cheap....

2. During stock price is high ... they got to invest also as most of the ppl outside may go to buy fund and if the fund manager din use the money to invest and let the fund price up then is not correct either.

Basically fund manager cannot really control the fund cash flow... not as flexible as you think.

Where as for me, i can do my own research and set the price that i want to buy ... Invest in fund you don even know what price the fund manager bought actually.
I remember the fund my mum bought during 1997 was under MBF now is under MAAKLMUTUAL fund name forgot .. If you really interest you can go and check at some old fund for MAAKLMUTUAL.

darkknight81
post Jan 14 2009, 09:30 PM

$$$$$$$$$$
*******
Senior Member
3,944 posts

Joined: Jul 2008


QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Jan 14 2009, 10:18 PM)
I switched out when PCSF was 28.55 sen. It was quite obvious back then that momentum is starting to stall. You should have applied cut loss principles and get out if u lose 8% or more etc. So in your case it would have been 26 sen.
*
Nope i din buy PCSF mY MUM DID. Yup i manage to cut loss for my own fund as i see their are further downtrend early last year before olympic. Selling now will be too late already. Will probably losing half or even more of your initial investment already. Remember if your total loss is 50% you got to add another 5% which is for the service charge .....

There are actually no actual answer either UT or stock is better choice. I mean for me i will prefer stock.


Added on January 14, 2009, 9:36 pmOne more question here. What is the short term trend for our KLCI? For me i think at current level can unload stock already as downtrend is coming.

Need some direction for this as... my wife want to offload her PUBLIC SOUTH EAST ASIA SELECT FUND she want me to help her manage her do investment. Got to ask here becos if i ask at unit trust topic sure ppl will advice me to hold for long term sweat.gif

This post has been edited by darkknight81: Jan 14 2009, 09:36 PM
darkknight81
post Jan 14 2009, 09:52 PM

$$$$$$$$$$
*******
Senior Member
3,944 posts

Joined: Jul 2008


QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 14 2009, 10:43 PM)
Actually it is same one. Buying share also a long term one, except one aims for speculatoin and purely trading purposes.

Holding UT = Holding equities or shares.

Just UT might have 15 stocks in hand, so if one goes down (as you mentioned tabao), UT fund may be suffer a few % drop because still got other 14 in hand which make up the total NAV.

So if an individual holds 15 stocks as identical to the UT fund managers, so situation is exactly the same.

As above example, if the company tabao, you lose 1 stocks which become toilet paper but let say you have 50K for the portfolio buying across 15 stocks, so you suffer a few K losses in your total invested amount which is totally identical to UT situation.

UT is just like an employer hire an employee to do job. May be because the employer doesn't know how to do or no time to do it or whatever reason.

So UT = shares. The different is choosing stocks only. But on local front, there are not many choice of stocks actually, most will consist like Pbbank, YTL, Genting, Sime, IOI etc, which basically can't run away much as choice of big cap and high liquidity stocks are not that many.

So one can actually mimic the UT portfolio if one has some sufficient fund to do it. Don't need to have millions, a few ten K up to around 50K or so can do it already.

UT has one distinct advantage is that it allows diversifcation on small amount of fund, but for those having sufficient fund, the advantage seems not that obvious already as one has the sufficient to diversify on his/her own if wish provided he/she knows what he/she is doing.

Don't get me wrong, don't mean to give negative comment on UT, it has its usage and function for the public and some serve well for public (provided public with some timing), just to explain and give out clear situation so that people won't have the mindset of holding equities UT is not the same of holding shares. Actually it is the same.

To be exact, UT is just another tool that you hire a fund manager to do the job for you. So whether one needs the service or not, it depends on individual needs and situation. UT is just another platform to have exposure in share in different way which can be good as well.

OT a bit, I would like to see some change in UT industry so that management fee charges or service charges based on performance, which is much fair to the investors, they can still charge a fixed floor fee (they still need to pay for office/personnel which I fully understand), but only rise up in par with performance. Just like now it is 1.5% across, no matter how they are doing. With the like eg I mentioned, something like they can only charge 0.5% fixed, but if performance is good then only rise to 1.0% or 1.5% accordingly, which is much fair to investors while indirectly push the fund houses to have more incentive to perform better.

In current structure, it is not fair, as even a fund is doing poorly still charge the same amount with those fund performs magnificient one.
*
But holding UT got one problem. You cannot do your own valuation on how low is cheap how high is expensive basically you can do is by seeing the index. Whereas for stock i can do my on valuation. I can make my own judgement that this stock is cheap or expensive for me. Holding UT i not feel as comfortable as holding stock for me lar. I feel safer by holding stock sweat.gif
darkknight81
post Jan 14 2009, 10:06 PM

$$$$$$$$$$
*******
Senior Member
3,944 posts

Joined: Jul 2008


QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 14 2009, 11:01 PM)
Yes, you make a good point, just like you hire the employee that you fully trust what he/she is doing with no question ask except seeing the result delivered to you.

But we have to consider that bulk of public don't know how to look the financial report, nor knowing whether the company make profit or give dividend or not, or company financial still in good shape or not.

So this (UT) is a better channel for them rather than blindly buy something directly from the market they don't know or clear about.
That's why I said it serves somebody well, but for some, it is not good as they can do on their own while fund has its performance limitation as you said, while at the mean time, for some, they can't do it on their own even having knowledge on it due to other commitment etc so need the service of fund managers.
*
Ya. Like what you said just that the fee is too high even though the one you trust cannot perform well. you also give him the same bonus. laugh.gif
darkknight81
post Jan 15 2009, 08:18 AM

$$$$$$$$$$
*******
Senior Member
3,944 posts

Joined: Jul 2008


[quote=voon71,Jan 15 2009, 12:39 AM]
[quote=darkknight81,Jan 14 2009, 09:30 PM]


Added on January 14, 2009, 9:36 pmOne more question here. What is the short term trend for our KLCI? For me i think at current level can unload stock already as downtrend is coming.
Just throwing out some ideas here.
1. US financial crisis. I think this is only the beginning. The outgoing Bush administration seems to be doing a patch job on the economy/ bailing out his cronies, leaving Obama holding on to the bag. It would seem to me that an outgoing administration will cover up whatever problems there are (unless they got too big to handle) and quietly exit the scene. The next administration would be blamed. Therefore, whatever we've seen so far is only the tip of the iceberg. I think that after Jan 20, there're a whole lot more surprises waiting in store. No, we're not decoupled from US economy and I don't see President Hu paying us a visit after Black October 2008. He did visit Indonesia though. As for our local efforts; Peru, Kazakhstan, Pakistan......we need FDI to preserve the value of our infrastructure.

2. The local property scene is artificially supported by our government. There are not enough takers even before the first half of 08, much less after that. The property bubble was popping even before October hit. You'll notice our developers get a lot of leeway over government policies.

3. Goldman Sachs manipulated the oil price globally. Who knows, who is manipulating it now. I think it is being kept artificially at a low price. For a finite commodity, the price fell too fast, too much.

4. Gold price is being manipulated. I'm not even sure it's too high or too low.
*

[/quote]

Yup agree with that. But now everyone is putting their hope on obama. Everybody beliv that obama can bring us to the road of recovery.
darkknight81
post Jan 15 2009, 10:29 PM

$$$$$$$$$$
*******
Senior Member
3,944 posts

Joined: Jul 2008


QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 15 2009, 11:25 PM)
Intra-day trading is buy and sell on the same day? Or within T+3?
*
On the same day. thats y some trader will sell even though they are losing money as the charges is low if you do intraday trade.
darkknight81
post Jan 16 2009, 12:41 PM

$$$$$$$$$$
*******
Senior Member
3,944 posts

Joined: Jul 2008


What factor pushing ramunia up? Buying above 40 sen will be risky already i think. sweat.gif
darkknight81
post Jan 21 2009, 01:25 PM

$$$$$$$$$$
*******
Senior Member
3,944 posts

Joined: Jul 2008


Sorry interupt here,

If i want to buy pound sterling and i don want to keep at my home. Is it possible? Bank offer that?
darkknight81
post Jan 21 2009, 10:42 PM

$$$$$$$$$$
*******
Senior Member
3,944 posts

Joined: Jul 2008


We should be on the road to recovery i presume wink.gif but i might took years to fully recover.
darkknight81
post Jan 21 2009, 10:55 PM

$$$$$$$$$$
*******
Senior Member
3,944 posts

Joined: Jul 2008


QUOTE(Sphenix @ Jan 21 2009, 11:49 PM)
open "Foreign Currency Account" aka FCA
*
Any bank? Any charges?
darkknight81
post Jan 22 2009, 12:55 PM

$$$$$$$$$$
*******
Senior Member
3,944 posts

Joined: Jul 2008


QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 22 2009, 11:16 AM)
Interest rate never a problem for Malaysia as we never go beyond 3.5% even during hyper inflation last year.

When the rate is low, whether it is 2% or 2.5% or 3%, it doesn't make a lot of impact on the economy. If it was the like 5% and above the you cut it until 2%, then the impact is obvious.

But with FD rate will be at 2.x%, then need to serious look at those good stocks with high dividend.

Immediate target will be Carlsberg (going to give its final dividend which expected around 20~25 cents when releasing its full year result in the coming month). But Carlsberg won't report good financial result due to erosion of market share to Guiness, but some 5% dividend yield still can expect from it.
Don't mean to recommend it, judge your own and buy on your own risk.
*
Panamy thumbup.gif
darkknight81
post Feb 11 2009, 09:19 PM

$$$$$$$$$$
*******
Senior Member
3,944 posts

Joined: Jul 2008


QUOTE(mememe12 @ Feb 11 2009, 06:06 PM)
today market cold cold.. wondering how will it perform tmr.. hmm.gif
*
For the last two months the market seems quite stagnant... Not much movement... Got to wait for the next downtrend....

Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0425sec    0.59    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 15th December 2025 - 08:18 PM