helo n hi,
dis thread sure is alive n kickin
last time i checked i tot dis thread is goin to die
hehe
anyway
i do own a doppelganger
model 217 miragen



bought at 1.5k from esybike in february
using (n abusing) it for almost everyday to n fro my house to ktm komuter station
n sometimes to my frens house in puncak jalil (ride from bukit jalil lrt of course)
and tried long distance from sungai petani-yan-kuala kedah-alor setar-jitra once

answerin ur question, mr ooikl,
well
dis baby can only fold into two
since its dropbar the handle cant be fold
only can be lowered (but its too muc of a task)
and cuz it has no magnet clip (like dahon)
u have to diy-ly cover de contact points
other than dat
no problem dat i can tink of bout folding
ah
got one mor
when i bought, it comes with no bag
so de first month i commute to work with ktm komuter
got conflict with ktm officer there
they insist i bagged my folding bike
and again the dropbar is de problem
since it cant be fold so its stil wide even de bike is folded
so small folding bike bag isnt enuf
luckily i found one dahon big bag
not sure for what model
but "quite" big enuf to "cover" it
i say quite big cuz if i realy have to bag my folding bike
hell i have to totally take out the dropbar and unrelease (luckily it has quick release...only front though) de front wheel then i can only zipped de bag fully
and carry it on my shoulder (dis miragen 217 is damn heavy.15kg standard stock.and it realy killing me to carry it on my shoulder)
but evriday normally i fold it into two n just cover everiting except de wheels
so i can stroll it like a baby stroller (like strolling a wheelchair if u wish)
n the lrt n ktm komuter officer seems ok with it

about my miragen 217
my personal view
ermm...
cuz its only 1.5k
so u get what u paid for
cant realy complaint
it has 7 speed shimano tourney
with single speed 52t crank
enuf for urban/street ride i guess
v-brake rear disk brake front both by promax
after quite sometime my front disc rotor is bent
cud be im too hard on it
otherwise they just ok
doppelganger may be big and a brand from japan
but mind u de bike made in china
i guess evriting is pretty muc made in china nowadays

hell am i ranting too muc?
gonna post some pics later
and rants some more
cheers

helo n hi again,
notin muc,
just wana post some pics of mine

de bike when i first received it


dis is my doppelganger 217 miragen
in de midle of de bikes body is de dahon bag i told u before


de bike in "strolling" mode


inside ktm komuter


stow away in de pantry at workplace
not a realy nice place
sorry bike, see u again after work

dis is de front fork
i mentioned in earlier post bout the contact points when de bike is folded
i just use duct tape to cover em,
just look at all those scratches, damn


rear arm


close up of de rear arm contact points
under de duct tape de same damage has already been done
haizzz


last two weeks i upgrade rear brake to magura hs33
other than dat de bike is pretty muc standard stock


rear light bought from daiso


cockpit
notin muc
de white brake is de magura hs33
de dropbar naked on its side from de brake lever installation
unable to wrap it back
haizzz


dis bike
used n abused when i ride
used n abused when my kitty ride


the cincai "touring" sp-yan-kuala kedah-alor star-jitra
no panniers just backpack, shirts n jeans
dono can call dis "touring" or what


de red shirt is local touring uncle from sp; touring kaki; racing kaki; die hard cyclist; ride n guide me from sp-yan
de midle black shirt is me de cincai touring guy
n de grey shirt gwailou is crazy touring guy from new zealand
met him while having brunch at warong in yan
hes been touring for the last one n half year starting from london
wonder if i can ever do touring like him


dats all guys
cheers
happy cycling
happy folding

haha thanx
sori bout those kitties in da photo
they realy are nosy
u halau one away three is coming
u halau the three the one u halau before is coming ady
haha

anyway
bout de suspension
can feel but not much
well
for normal road/street use myb it do helps absorbing litle potholes n bumps here n there
but then i tink im fine even tho thers no suspension front or back
bouncy?
nope.they arent
but they make ur bike heavier
mine is 15kg.heavy as hell
and some more thers no replacements if u broke em
20" front suspension fork is like aliens
they sure are exists but yet anybody to find them
hell they might not even exists
but then u can owes replace it with rigid fork
rear suspension? broke em?
u might as well to buy another bike

magura
my brake is 2005-2011 model
but thers latest 2013 model
mine actually is for 1 inch flat handlebar
pull out de grip n slide the handlebar into de hole
cuz mine is dropbar so it actually stuck at the dropbar curve even i took out the bartape ady
i forcefully pull it through only later to find out dat i cant screw to tighten it back
cuz the screw hole is "lari" ady
hell its such a mess
i end up using a cable tight
hehe
but the 2013 model use faceplate mechanism
i tink dat shud fit to any size n any type of handle bar without any hasle
anyway dis magura is great
working great
looking great too
before dis i had a thought to convert rear into disc brake system
i tink i'll settle for dis magura
de only problem is they are prety expensive
spare parts n accessories of magura range can source them from singapore
magura not realy popular among malaysian i guess

agree with that
im yet to found any full-sus mini velo
unless if 217 miragen can considered as mini velo
hehe
or if u want a proper folded mini velo
myb u can consider this
doppelganger vantage

or
doppelganger fledermaus

or
if folded mini mtb
thers owes hummer 20"

cheers

dat "mini velo mtb" sure is a confusing terms
haha
i tot u meant a mini velo or a mini mtb
it turns out to be both
a mini velo with mtb thingy
hell dis things even exists
anyway we can owes buy a mini velo and custom made it into mtb,no?
20" mtb tires,check
mtb grupset,check
riser/flat handlebar,check
20" suspension front fork,dis one kinda tricky,de one in de photos is spinner grind
im not aware thers such thing
anybody have a hand on this please let me know,too
rear shock,not possible
i tink one can owes custom made aniting to fit their riding style
so-so offroad can lar
if real offroad
i tink u'll ditch de 20" rite away
hehe
unless if u're hardcore 20inches
im aware thers 29ers whose proud of being n having de 29inches mtb and f*** evriting dat isnt 29inches
is thers such thing as 20ers?
haha

cheers

they discussed bout this in dis thread page 91-93
seems like china one is ok

cheers

ah, de sadle issue
well
when i first got on my bike i oso got same problems
got pain evriwhere
back, butt, thighs, calfs, arms, neck and "lil' bro" oso pain
just naturally, i curse evriting on de bike
hard sadle,lack of gearings (7 speeds), narrow tyres, stupid long reach n low dropbar, stupid suspension doesnt do aniting...bleh...bleh...bleh...n so on
hell i wanna change evriting
but after two weeks or someting
no pain ady
without changin aniting
so my conclusion is myb it is my body dat is not used to cycling
or myb its just me

and also when i do my last cincai touring
i tot im gonna get pain whole body after doing 100somting km
suprisingly i didnt
later dat night i can still cycle aroun jalan2 cari makan around alor star town
hehe
only one thing tho
cuz so cincai cycling with jeans
my kangkang got blister (only notice when i take shower at hotel)
n my underwear got one big hole
fortunately just one underwear casualties.phew

so dats y my bike still standard stock (apart from de rear brake )
de kenda kwest kinda want to botak ady
gotta change later before raya hopefully
so i can do myb litle touring dis raya
hehe
i tink my bike can take 1.95
before dis i eyeing de schwalbe big aple
but then after i read samo's blog
im considering of maxxis dth
i dono
myb afte i change ill report back to yall
now is to find dat dth
hmmm
gotta ask samo
hehe

cheers

i see
haha
dis dth sure is contagious
i ask samo ady
n i called de shop
unfortunately they dont do postage
have to come to shop
can only come on my offday
whic is on monday
aiseh
anyway
its bcuz i tink dis dth suits my riding style
road/street/a bit offroads when needed
n at 1.95 its just nice
having no reflextive nahh i can live with dat
dth is dat good eh?
cant find them in bbs
hell nex monday is too long

i dont mind gettin wet by de rain
i'll only put the backpack raincover on n im gud to go
if rain only ok la
if got thunder boom boom i tink i'll wait
haha

ah
i had a confession to make
i use wd40 to clean n to lubricate de chain oso
huhu
but i didnt use brush tho
im using a baju buruk to clean all de grease
before dis i only clean de grease using some sabun i dono what
found it in kitchen cabinet
n afte clean i didnt use any lubricant
cuz im using ktm komuter n bagged it in de bag
so i don want de grease to kena anywhere (i tot it was a gud idea back then)
or else de ktm officer got points to not allow me bring de bike
but then after a while
de crank feels tighter(not in a gud way) n heavier
need mor effort to cycle than normally do
so i guess i still need to lubricate em chain
haizzz
why wd40?
errr
its written there it can lubricate
n cuz its kinda cheap oso (i tink dis is de main reason,hehe )
those who want cheaper can use singer oil,hehe
n somemore it is spray type wit de long stick nozle
convenience n no mess
i only meant to use it as a lubricant at first
but then when i spray at the chain
all de grease come off
hell dis is gud
2 in 1 eh?
but of course
dis is only me
a cincai guy
n de chains,cranks,freewheel is all cheap bodoh one only
if use highend grupset
myb i'll use a proper degreaser n lubricant
hehe



if use 3,4k grupset hell i wana use em for a lifetime too
hehe

cheers

This post has been edited by theotheryun: Jul 10 2013, 01:57 PM

helo
sori offtopic
but
finally its monday!
yay!

anyway
long story short
heres todays loots
hehe



maxxis dth tires
kenda inner tubes (wanna maxxis inner tubes but unfortunately not available)
bicycle handle stem 1" to 1 1/8 (for future project )
knog blinder road led lights

worry not i will report them later
cant wait
hehe

cheers

helo n hi
sori for de late reply
been busy hehe
i dont know who i shud quote
dis discussion gone haywired ady
haha

anyway
dis "maxxis dth" is MYR 80.00 each
or MYR 160.00 a pair
like etigge and samo
i bought it from johny's of my bicycle shop bandar utama hehe

and
de "knog blinder road front" price is actualy MYR 229.00
but got 5% discounts (i tink any shop u go got 5% discounts for knog brand)
making it MYR 217.00 or somtin (dono where i put de receipt ady )
bought it from spv bicycle of subang jaya
dis shop i know from samo's post about the speedone sor mini mtb (from de "mini velo mtb" issue )
i check out their website n find out dey got dis knog brand
actualy i want to buy dis knog glove

cuz i find it hard to find gud quality glove to use/abuse
but dey dont have it (at least for last monday.they took my contact number to see if dey can try order for me.will report if got any progress )
only got knog lights
since i do planning on getting knog lights
so i test dem out a few n bought "blinder road 2"
actually dat afternoon before i went to johny's in bandar utama
i went to van's urban bicycle at three two square,pj (dey got knog oso)
fogot they move out to kampung tunku ady, gahhh


enuf of dat
now
dth news report
just finish fitting em just now
hehe
dis is de dth unfolded


front tire done
yay!


rear tire done
weehoo!


n finally
tadaa!




i ll ride for a week then i ll report again
n if yall notice thers no kitties sibuk2 around dis time
actualy dis is my friends place hehe
cant imagine if i do it at my house haha

ah
one mor thing
earl-ku
i tot "knog blinder road rear" like urs is MYR 179.00 or somting.no?
will buy knog rear lights later too
not yet decided whic one tho.hehe

cheers

hmm
i tink tyres wideness depends on ones riding style
from dis two days of riding with dth
yes, it does absorb minor small bumps/potholes/roads unevenness
de ride is more comfortable than befor
more stable
but
the trade for dat comfortable is de ability to sprint
it takes a litle bit extra effort than before
but then
i didnt do a lot of sprinting anyway
so i dont mind at all
im not a racing kaki hehe

befor dis i kinda fancy schwalbe durano
but it doesnt come in wide size
for those who want narrower tyre can try dis one
if more racing can use schwalbe kojak
then from my reading
i learn dat for those touring kaki they use schwalbe marathon
for durability n long lasting
then i knew bout balloon tyre schwalbe big apple n big ben
im eyeing big apple at first
but then comes samo n his maxxis dth
so now im also a "dth"ers
dth"ers or dth"ian?
hell is ther such words?haha

and also when i do some research for de tyres
things to consider is the fork wideness/clearance
racing type tend to have narrow clearance thus not able to fit wider tires (ie;minivelo)
and also rim types
20" rims got two types
406 and 451
normal 20" bike usually is 406
451 is a rare case (n even harder to find the tires for it too)
de rims usually standardised by etrto(euro tyre rims standard thingy or somting)
so any tyres wide or narrow can fit to it
i too use to worry bout this cuz my rims are double walled and looks so narrow
thank god they fit each other nice n firm
or else...
or else im doomed haha

n bike tires itself is a headache too
thers many choices of 20" bikes of any wideness
the narrowest is i tink schwalbe ultremo zx 20x0.9 (dis is what?superduperextreme racing?haha)
and de widest im not so sure
are there 20x3.0 tires?(y wud anybody wants one anyway? )
its too many choices
everiting is available online
but r they available locally?
dats de problem
so

u may just forget n ignore everiting i said
n take ur bike to bike shop (those mentioned in dis thread preferably)
kautim
can or canot
got or not
pomen can tell u rite away (or not; cuz some pomen not used to 20" or folding bike.dats y i said go to those shop mentioned in de thread.u might want to read dis thread from start.or myb not.myb just read from january dis year )

but then
i cud be wrong
cuz like "mini velo mtb"
hell i dont even know such things exists
haha

cheers

my mirror
mine is diy one
hehe
made from reflector dat comes with de bike
its somtin like dis

i took out de red thingy thing n stick dis mirror bought from daiso on it

n voila
mirror in riding mode

mirror in store mode

actualy i made it two of them
from front n rear reflector
for left n right mirror
but i lost one during de cincai touring
only notice wen comeback to kl aiyak!
for urban use i find dat mirror is very important
important to not need to look ur back everitime want to change lane or turning into any junction
or to see whats coming from behind either motocycle or car or bus or watever
n some mor cuz mine is dropbar so to look back everytime is bothersome
ther r posibilities of getting neck cramp too
hehe

cheers

daiso
yep
i bought kinda lots of bike thingy from daiso too
well
its mostly tools actually
bike wrench, allan key sets, tyre levers, rear lights
ermm...what els...botle cage/holder, batteries
but
i will not rekomends front lights from daiso
i bought one n broke the light mounting by just overtighten it (wtf? )
de plastic material is rubbish
but front light for 5 ringgit
i cant complain
guilty on my parts too
haha

n talking bout tires
cuz my footpump de pressure gauge is broken ady
so i dont realy know if de dth is in optimum condition
johny got mentioned its a high pressured tyre
so i go to petrol station air pump (hoping to get a reading from the air pump gauge)
de night befor googled bout using de petrol station air pumps for bicycles
it is realy not recommended (but stubborn me still go anyway )
i purposely ask for schraeder valve tube from johny last time cuz i find its more universal n more compatibility than presta valve (in dis case compatible with petrol station air pump "nozle/head")
from de net i know dat dis dth can withstand until 110 psi (i wonder if de tube can stand 110 psi too?)
but when i go at the pump the gauge ony show kpa and (another unit i fogot...lbf/inch? i tink so)
check de tyre luckily it got kpa unit oso (phew )
written ther 585-755 kpa
then i pump de tyre
it took just one second (seriously no kidding...or myb not even 1 second!) n de dial shot up to 400-500 kpa ady
i check my tyre n its rock hard...no sh*t
then pump de other one (dis time kinda scared tho...haha )
then i cycle away
with rock hard tyre can sprint easily (dis is nice )
but then road surface is tranfered directly to u (dis is not nice )
i quickly stop over at roadside n release some air from tyre
only then de dth is eating potholes n bumps for breakfast again...yay!
hehe
i tink gonna invest in some tyre pressure gauge
petrol station air pump is scary
haha

cheers

This post has been edited by theotheryun: Jul 23 2013, 04:09 PM

ah
another doppelganger(ian?ers? )
eh i tot urs is kenda ady?no?

i bet its bcuz de photo of ur ugo

from dat angle its realy somtin
nice lookin kenda
looks nicer n wider than my kenda
is that realy 20x1.5?
hehe

cheers

i see
i tot its just de angle play
hehe

say 1.50 is de medium as a benchmark
thin>speed
fat>suspension (but mine got suspension front n rear ady...am i too greedy? )

if not available locally
then got no choice
have to online
pricier mayb
but if can afford y not
for peace of mind
hehe

(me too got few things wana buy online...perhaps in nex couple of months...hehe...will update )

mine used to be kenda kwest
but when i look at de pic of ur ugo
i find out its a bit diferent
cuz from urs can see somting like "love" shape
so i do litle bit of googlin
dat is not kwest
its kenda k909
i found it at kenda website under de wheelchair (deheck? ) section
googlin a litle bit more
n found dis
kenda k909a 20x1.75
hehe
dono its nice onot
but personaly for me i find it nice lookin tho (cuz i like fat tire...hehe )
anyway
i tink kenda kwest oem is not realy dat good
from de pic urs look nicer than my kwest
same like de oem tubes de oem kwest is lower grade than non oem kwest
so dat y some said kwest is gud n some dont
but since u want thinner tyre change it anyway hehe

uh
list eh?
heres mine anyway

1.bern g2 helmet - pre owned - bbs - MYR 150 (the "milky cow" pattern is actually respro reflective stickers)

2.gloves "axion"(?) gel - new - (fogot de name ) bicycle shop in jitra, kedah - MYR 50?60?(hell i fogot ady )
3.dahon stow bag - new - joo ngan son sri permaisuri, cheras - MYR 200 (tho for me 200 is kinda way out of budget for a bag but at dat time i realy desperate to get one...but lookin back...i tink its worth dat kind of money...no regret then )
4.magura hs33 (05-11) model - pre owned (but never fitted so condition is new ) - bbs - MYR 250
5.maxxis dth tyres 20x1.95 (folding) - new - my bicycle shop bandar utama - MYR 160/pair
6.knog blinder 2 road front light - new - spv bicycle subang jaya - MYR 229 (before 5% discount)
7.(dono wat brand ) rear lights x2 - new - daiso mid valley - MYR 5/each
8.side mirror (diy) x2(but lost one) - new - daiso mid valley - MYR 5/each
9.deda bartape - new - joo ngan son sri permaisuri, cheras - MYR 45

total - errr...MYR 1k somtin...too lazy to do de math...

bought but not use (yet)
1.minoura camera mount - new - bbs - MYR 50(i tink so)
2.gts 1" to 1 1/8 stem - new - my bicycle shop bandar utama - RM 30(also not sure huhu)

wishlist
1."front project" fork & stem - dont know...stil looking for it...
2.fender/mudguard - somting like dis - also stil looking for it...anybody seen any in kl shop?

3.better sadle myb - perhaps until dis stock sadle gave up
4.knog strangler fingerless glove
5.knog blinder 2 road rear light - MYR 179 (before 5% discount)
6.messenger bag - not yet decided - not urgent anyway
7.fsa crankset - gossamer or somtin like dat
8.sram x9 rd red color - just because of its red color hehe
9.aerospoke got 20" wheel but de price is just ridiculous...haizzz...how i wish...
10.perhaps another folding bike hehe

well
de wishlist is just my wish actualy
it might hapen or might not hapen
even it all might hapen i will take a realy loooooooooonngggg time
hehe
not to mention dat those thing dat arent available locally
haizzz
anyway
happy cycling guyz

cheers

ah
glad to know de jetstream died happily
hes using autocad thingy thing sure is something eh?
damn dis guy so pro hehe