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post Jan 7 2009, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(KingHenry14 @ Jan 7 2009, 09:34 AM)
In fact, Signing Arteta news getting more quiet nowadays while news about Arshavin becomes a gunner is hotting up.
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well, the fact that zenit have already confirmed that arsenal have inquired about the player doesn't really help with the rumours right? =)
although i would rather a midfielder with more defensive steel... i guess arshavin would be better than nobody... IF it happens that is...


Added on January 7, 2009, 10:08 amhere's more rumours to fuel your day...

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post Jan 7 2009, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(giotto @ Jan 7 2009, 10:50 AM)
Come on Gunners, just wrap up the players we intend to sign and sell the players who we dont need. I smell, Nicky and Toure off to elsewhere.

Arshavin is a possibility and i think he'll bring some creativity, tenacity and extra movement. Just hope he doesnt end up like Roman Pavyluchenko who so far hasnt proven anything yet.
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i don't think both of them will be going anywhere (at least not in this transfer window)... but that's just my gut feeling and not based on any fact or reliable source... =)
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post Jan 7 2009, 02:28 PM

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i dunno how reliable this is, but this writer seems to believe that it'll probably be a middle ground between arsenal's 12mil valuation and zenit's 20mil valuation...

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The Russian Press (via Arsenal Analysis) are reporting that Arsenal have opened the bidding at £12m, with Zenit holding out for £20m.  I’m sure Arsene wouldn’t authorise a fee quite that high, but if a middle ground could be reached in the region of £15m then a deal will surely be done - it’s simply a case of showing Zenit the money.
Zenit confirm talks with Arsenal over Arshavin transfer
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QUOTE(kimhoong @ Jan 7 2009, 02:41 PM)
Yet, I'm still not convinced to get him because we have more crucial positions to be filled up - eg DM & CD
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i completely agree... and despite what some are saying in this forum that some players are mediocre or not good enough, some of the names suggested are playing well and i wouldn't mind having them at all... if anything, let there be competition for places so that the cream of the crop can rise to the top and the rest will either have to be happy with being a squad player or move on... that scenario appeals to me more than the current one where we don't even have enough fit players and are forced to depend on players who for some reason are not performing...
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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Jan 7 2009, 02:47 PM)
This is not unexpected. Teams will always start to bid with a lower price and increase along the way, while the selling party will set a high price tag and slowly lower it down. This kind of haggling is common and we've done it before with Hleb's case. IIRC we started off with 6-7M back then and eventually the 9+M deal was agreed.
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yeah... my comment about being unsure was more about whether arsenal's initial valuation / bid was 12mil pounds or not... =)
transfer windows are the equivalent of a VERY high class and expensive pasar malam... hahahahh....
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post Jan 7 2009, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Jan 7 2009, 11:12 PM)
Age aside, Arshavin is the better player. He has more experience because of a longer career, and has proven himself to be a consistent performer if you look at statistics. Granted, the level of the Russian league may not be as high as EPL on paper, but a player has to have some quality in order to become a consistent star player in whichever team and competition.

Kranjcar pales in comparison in terms of achievements and performance if you ask me. If I had to choose I'd still take Arshavin for now. The long term resale value for the latter is of course lower than the younger Croat, yet don't forget Pires was bought at a similar age and he gave us his best years during his early 30s.
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djibril cisse was a french star with quite amazing stats while he was there (and very highly rated as well), but with liverpool and now with sunderland, he's not the star that he was.

then again, torres was a star in athletico and yet wasn't consistent somewhat in spain.. now in liverpool, he's the second most important player next to gerrard (at least in my flawed opinion anyway.. heheh).

i suppose what i'm trying to get at is that despite arshavin being a top player in the russian league and him having a good euro tournament, i won't go so far as to say that arshavin is definitely a better player. he may have an edge, but i don't think anyone can compare and come to a decision with absolute certainty.... but heck, if either one comes, i definitely won't be complaining... =)


Added on January 7, 2009, 11:44 pm
QUOTE(chronic_blade @ Jan 7 2009, 11:19 PM)
well thats the thing really.. there is no "should be 3 pts" we've got no divine right to win, i remember a certain equador team i think during world cup claim they have a "divine right" (or something like that with the word "divine" in it) and they lost lol! . It is exactly our players who think alright, we should win.. and result in them just showing up expecting ppl to roll over.

And thats what im worried about as we have demonstrated time and time again we have great potential to slip into this again and get punished dearly. I think we got good chance, as bolton are not doing so well and have some important players out. But if the boys don't put in their shift, we could be in for a nasty surprise (or perhaps not so surprising this season as it happened so often)

Here's to the boys for a commited performance, a good display and hopefully be rewarded with the result we deserve (if we do deserve it that is..)
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100% agreed and i think it's a great post.

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post Jan 8 2009, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(mengdez @ Jan 8 2009, 08:54 AM)
And we better be prepared. maybe the Toure brothers reunion will happen at MC.  sweat.gif
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whatever it is, i doubt they'd let toure leave this window.. worst case scenario, he'll leave after the end of the current season. i hope by which time, the problem would've been resolved or gallas offloaded....

if arsenal let toure leave now... they'd be really silly....
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QUOTE(little_mozart @ Jan 11 2009, 06:07 PM)
read the star today, podolski want to go to cologne fpr only 10mil euros. Wenger can hijack this :-)
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the reason why podolski wants to go to cologne for such a cheap price is because cologne is his hometown club (he was bought for 10 mil euros anyway). he was playing for cologne before bayern came knocking on his door... wenger can hijack this deal if he can convince podolski that the emirates is walking distance to cologne... heheh....


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post Jan 16 2009, 11:11 AM

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chronic_blade, that was one absolutely superb post...

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and just some advise to those who are like me... if there are people who just won't listen to anything or anyone else besides themselves, it's best to leave them to their own devices. they're just not worth the effort...

the news about arshavin.. i just hope it gets concluded and sealed. with all this media frenzy, i'm just worried nothing will come of it, and then we're back to square one... arshavin, arteta, upson, parker, benzema, cana, inler....anyone of those would be welcomed in my book... especially when the other option is to have no signings at all....

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post Jan 16 2009, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(chronic_blade @ Jan 16 2009, 11:38 AM)
Everything about arsenal just seems right, the name, the logo, the colours, the motto, the philosophy, everything!
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yeah name... loved the name.. the gunners.. especially with the logo of the cannon... everything ngam! hahahaah... =)
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post Jan 20 2009, 11:18 AM

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i know that many (talking to arsenal buddies, blogs, LYN forum) are beginning to become very optimistic about second place and some even about being able to wrest the top spot as well....

for me, i'll still be taking it one match at a time. i'll be quietly hopeful, but i don't wanna get ahead of myself and especially the team... heheh...

so even in the transfer saga... let's wait and see what happens... if arshavin comes and there's still time in the market, let's hope wenger will buy someone else which can help address our defensive frailties.

by the way, i don't read mandarin, but it would seem like the background wallpaper for LYN has the mandarin word upside down... or am i just mistaken?
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for me, who the other clubs (especially all the rumours that link almost every other star player to man city these days) want to buy are not as important to me as the ones that arsenal want to buy.

now, it's been blown all out of proportion about the transfer saga of one arshavin. now comes the question... will wenger buy another player?

my head seems to tell me no but my gut seems to tell me that wenger may just be trying to wrap up a deal under our noses.... and that's what's killing me... the not knowing... hahahah.. i sometimes hate the transfer window.. giving you hope and killing it all at the same time... =)
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post Jan 21 2009, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(chronic_blade @ Jan 21 2009, 10:46 AM)
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i think the reason why there has been so much debate about the kind of midfield player that the fans would want to see in the starting 11 is simply because the perspectives on tactics are all different.

those who favour a more balanced approach would favour a DM to allow fabregas the freedom of playing to his strengths (creativity) while the DM would be able to mop up behind him. those who think that attack is the best form of defense would on the other hand prefer two CMs who also share the defensive load.

while arsenal have been winning of late and seem to be much better than the slump we found ourselves in this season, i still find that arsenal still struggle to break down physical sides and teams that are very defensive. this would seem to suggest that we need more creativity and probably for our attack to be more potent (more goals to possession percentage ratio). but on the other hand, we seem to be pretty lightweight in the middle of the park because our midfield personnel simply do not have the build or enough experience... so the defensive duties of our back 4 are increased. couple that with the fact that the back 4 (probably except for sagna) and goalie don't seem to be too confident right now, we would seem to have a defensive frailty that is dangerous as well. so while we need attacking reinforcements, we also need defensive input.

and i think that's where all the debate begins because some people want to tackle the need to put away the chances we get and also get better end product from our possession, i.e. better penetrating passes instead of lateral passes and etc. others on the other hand cannot believe how much goals we've let in this season and the meagre sum of clean sheets that we've kept this season in all competitions. and to be honest, i don't think we'll ever be able to solve both problems in the january transfer window...

so i think that wenger has gone in to tackle the problem which he is best well versed with.. the attacking and creative part of our play. so that's probably why he went in for arshavin and why despite the fact that our defense has been less than satisfactory that he is still keeping faith with not just the defenders, but not going after a DM. perhaps by resolving our lack of creativity and low (by arsenal's standards) goal return issue, teams won't have enough time to worry about playing defensive or having more time to attack our defense.

but then again, the transfer window has still 10 days to run and wenger has been known to pull the rabbit out of the hat before, so i won't be surprised if he suddenly gets a DM or something and totally blasts my theory to smithereens... but oh well, this is just my own personal opinion...

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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Jan 21 2009, 01:48 PM)
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yeah, i think a partnership where two CMs are able to attack and defend simultaneously would be something to dream for, but honestly, i don't know whether cesc will ever be able to do that defensive work without sacrificing his attacking strength. it's like whether i would want fabregas to function at 100% creativity or sacrifice 50% of that to help out defensively. but like i said, many of us would probably have our own idea of how to deploy the main midfield two and who we think would be best to sit in the middle of the park because of our different perspectives.

agreed about your views on gilberto with vieira and fabregas. and yes, the flamster was never a natural DM. he evolved into that player simply because that was what arsenal needed at that time. and yes, what he lacked with natural positioning, he more than made up for with heart and unrelenting doggedness to not let his opponent past him. but he's gone now and i think we shouldn't look for the next flamini. rather, we should be looking for the next player who can complement fabregas best, whether that may mean bringing in a DM or another CM. but at the moment, i would honestly say that denilson is doing ok, but only because of the circumstance. if we had a better strength in depth, i doubt denilson will be playing as much.

to be really dead honest, i think arsenal need to tone down on the pretty football (especially when our opponent has the ball) and remind them that we do have midfield to be reckoned with even if we don't have a full fledged DM. as for diaby, he offers us the size, but he has not done much to show us that he can become the next vieira. his defensive workrate is honestly rubbish, and when he does make a tackle, it's usually late and in a dangerous area... and worst of all, it usually happens because he got caught in possession. to yeah, i'm pretty disappointed with him so far this season. probably the lack of competition for places may have something to do with that....






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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jan 21 2009, 01:59 PM)
You should read the soccernet forum. It is really analytical.

I think that the argument for a defensive midfield is this. To relieve the pressure of the attack we need to have a solid base so that the attackers can concentrate on attacking without having to worry about the defence. I believe that if everyone attacks and we concede a goal, we get worried and the attacking players will have a stigma on going all out attack. Of coz all out attack is nice to see but when the attackers are confused on whether they should go all out attack or stay back a little. I think the solution would be to go all out attacks with a strong defence to repel attack by the opposition team.
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but then again, having a solid base does not neccessarily mean that we will be able to attack better. it only means that our probability of not conceeding is higher. and like what starghazzer (and many others) have said, having two CMs does not neccesarily mean that we do not have any defensive cover. two CMs does not equate to everyone attacking all the time.

but personally, i would make a case for a DM so that fabregas can fully concentrate on creating play for arsenal without having to worry too much about doing defensive work. but IF wenger comes up with a solution that involves two CMs, i'm all for that too.... i'm just not too in favour of a system that will require fabregas to give up or lessen his creative abilities... but that's just me lah... =)...
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got this courtesy of aeroberg...

http://football-corner.blogspot.com/2009/0...is-finally.html

and i've also got this from arsenal analysis...

http://arsenalanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/0...edical-but.html

not sure whether it's the gospel truth, but i thought this would be something more optimistic... heheh...
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post Feb 3 2009, 01:04 AM

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i'm quite convinced that the arshavin deal is done. even if it's not, what's new? =)

going to sleep now... good night!
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i was just thinking.. after all the hoolabaloo and arshavin becomes an arsenal player, will expectations of arsenal become frenzied and almost mythical again? as it is, with his imminent arrival, there are already those are already taking it for granted that arsenal will immediately start winning games again and some are even believing that arsenal can now challenge for the EPL title.....

we must remember a few things...

1. arshavin is not fully match fit because the russian league is still on holiday.
2. he has missed most of zenit's pre-season training so even his fitness in general may not be 100%.
3. he's a talented player, but he has never played in the EPL and may need time to adapt.
4. i have no doubt that he's NOT going to start arsenal's next match.
5. arsenal won't automatically start winning like crazy just because he's arrived.

what i believe arshavin will bring to this arsenal side is:

1. creativity that we have been so sorely lacking in the absence of captain cesc.
2. experience of being a more senior footballing figure to an arsenal side that is very lacking in senior players in the midfield area.
3. goalscoring prowess to our midfield that been absolutely appalling this season.
4. optimism to a side that been severely depleted by injuries, especially to key players.
5. competition for players in the midfield so that the young ones who have been under performing and played inconsistently will realise that their places are no longer automatic.

but even with all that he brings, arsenal do NOT have the divine right to be allowed to turn up for games, stroll on the pitch and expect to win. we will have to fight tooth and nail for the 3 points in every match, big matchup or not. the other 10 players (and us fans) need understand as well that arshavin's coming doesn't solve all our problems. if we depend too much on arshavin and if arshavin doesn't adapt fast enough, or doesn't bring his "A" game, we will still play as crappy as we have been in recent history.

just thought i'd give some sobering thoughts lest we all start putting our heads in the clouds only to be brought crashing down to earth later. having said that, i'm glad that at least we got ONE new player during the transfer window. i was beginning to believe that wenger wouldn't buy anyone. =)

now, roll on the next opponents!!

PS - i do realise that i'm posting this even before we have the official announcement of arshavin's arrival, but oh well, i thought i'd post it anyhow.. heheh...

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