wow.. all techie discussion... tat's the way !!!

BTW, test IP MAN for some scenes... so far so good

just the graini effect to show the movie in those old days

50Hz, 60Hz, 100Hz and 200Hz are not in the multiple of 24, so 3:2 pulldown will be applied for 24p source. Simple reason, can these numbers be divided by 24?

However, at 24 frame per second, there are too few frames to makes up a perfect smooth motion, but at least that's the way it was filmed. This means there will be some jerkiness during fast motion shots, usually noticeable during left to right panning shot (in cinema I see blurry effects rather than jerkiness). The bigger refresh rate of the TV will create more frames, but they'll only be duplicates. This is what the AMP/MF/IFC trying to do, doing interpolation rather than duplication, smoothing it out, which will make the picture the video-like effect (camcorders usually records at 60Hz). So if you want to turn AMP/MF/IFC on or off, totally up to your liking. But make sure you turn 24p setting to on/automatic in the PS3/BD player to avoid the pulldown (making the frame interpolation in the multiple of 24).

But there is a catch, this AMP/MF/IFC is not perfect. They're supposed to be frame interpolation, not duplication. The TV will create intermediate frames using certain algorithms based on the information from adjacent frames. Sometimes it's inaccurate, thus giving ghosting and possibly re-introducing judders on fast motion shots. If the response time is not fast enough, when someone throws a ball, you might see 3 balls flying instead of one.

For rontt88 case, I think the reason is the combination of both 3:2 pulldown and the AMP. Maybe the 24p setting was turned off, while the AMP was turned on. Make sure the 24p is on, but the AMP is optional.

This is just from what I understands, hope the sifus can correct me. My 2 cents.


AMP - Auto Motion Plus (Samsung)
MFP - Motion Flow (Sony)
IFC - Intelligent Frames Creation (Panasonic)

This post has been edited by aiman04: Feb 28 2009, 10:26 AM

bro aiman.. u mean to say we can choose to turn on or off 24fps? where can we do this.. at tv or receiver or ps3?

thanks.

Yup, Kungfu Panda looks stunning with 100hz set to high

I don't think we can turn off 24p

Eh, you guys never explore your PS3 yet? Go to video settings, there's option to turn 24p to on/off/automatic.

My BD35 also has this option.

Oopss... forgot about the settings on the PS3/player

Just finished watching Ip Man. Yes there was some ghosting at early part of the movie but only for a minute or two. Doesn't really bother me.

Overall, PQ and AQ are great but I did find the dialogue level is bit too low. Storyline -> Awesome and not to mention the fight scenes - simply inspiring! He really beat the crap out of the Jap General! Makes me want to learn Kung Fu! Haha!

This post has been edited by horray: Feb 28 2009, 01:10 PM

my TV is old enough not to be able to accept 24fps. so its a pain in the butt for me whenever i switch from tv to pj and back

go learn la....then can protect 'me' ...

I got shotgun..... reliable than kungfu, right??

Hahh, now everybadi wants to be IP Man...

didn't you see what Ip man did with the pistol?

btw, I keep reading IP man, as I,P Man. It supposes to be Ip as in Yip.right

ya,it's not "I-P man" ,it's suppose to read as "yip-man" in cantonese

OT abit,looking for Matrix Tri box set,brand new or used both can,PM me if u got one for sell,thanks.

got some more terminologies to confuse you all..

black frame insertion between 5:5 pull-down
intra-frame insertion with adaptive motion interpolation between all these AMP/MF/IFC technologies..
sample and hold technique for LCD panels rather than panel response time causing motion blur artifacts..



I will leave it to sifu sifu aiman and anfield to explain..

I bet that at the end of the day, those not well-versed in these terminologies will ended more confused than ever. LOL.

Well, I think its about time we all try and learn these terminologies since we're all so into hi-def now. Especially to people like me, for example... I want to understand thoroughly about all these before buying a new 1080p/24fps hdtv.. These tvs certainly ain't cheap & you want to make sure that you invest in a right one that suit you well & hopefully future-proof, at least for the next 5 years maybe...

So with that, thanks to all the "si-foos" here for sharing these knowledges...

won't need to learn so much if we settled for a Kuro plasma instead of LCD..

Hmmm, me not so into plasma.... well, to each their own

wat is the different for ON/OFF/AUTOMATIC ?? i try to observe the difference .. is that the difference can only be seen when playing bluray ? not the video clip we downloaded from psn ?

so which size of kuro are you using?