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Bodybuilding 20-Rep Squat Routine, DO YOU DARE ENOUGH TO TRY IT??

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post Jan 2 2009, 10:53 PM, updated 17y ago

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http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/irontamer5.htm

http://bodybuilding.com/fun/brewster24.htm

i've go thought this article recently, and found it very challeging

i am going to start this program After chinese new year

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A sample program for someone with good recovery ability might look like this:

    * Squat: 1x20
    * Pullovers: 1x20
    * Stiff-legged deadlift: 1x15
    * Pullovers: 1x20
    * Bench press: 2-3 x 10
    * Bent row: 2-3x15
    * Military press: 2-3 x 12


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QUOTE(mofonyx @ Jan 2 2009, 10:58 PM)
Looks good. I think you need a decent weight (read: strength) to go 20 rep.

I doubt I'd gain a lot from it because I could probably only do 20 rep around 60 to 75 kg. :\
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ya, go 1 shoot of 20 rep is very hard, you will breath like cow...lol that why they called it as breathing squat



To determine your starting weight, take your current 5RM and subtract 5 lbs for each scheduled workout. So, if your current 5RM is 315 lbs and you are planning to train three times per week for 6 weeks (18 workouts), you should begin with 225 lbs, as 18 workouts x 5lbs per workout = 90lbs. Subtract 90 from 315 and you get 225. Simple enough.
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post Jan 3 2009, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Jan 3 2009, 01:13 AM)
I started off at 100KG x 20 and moved up to 125KG x 20
And that was it. I never could do it again. Never dared to. It....is by far the most difficult thing you can do in the gym

I'll break it down

1-5=EASY
6-10=Manageable
11-13=Doubt comes
14-15=Feels like stopping
16-18=There's no way I can finish this
19-20=ARGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

In short.....brutal beyond words.
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lol, nice break down

QUOTE(mofonyx @ Jan 3 2009, 01:28 AM)
So you're starting your 20rep squat with 40kg (looking at your journal)?

75kg on my end, it's still difficult beyond words. I reckon I would've to forgo studying to mentally prep up for the gym.
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mental play a big roles in this program, you body will cry for it ask you to stop that
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post Jan 3 2009, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Jan 3 2009, 04:46 PM)
No way...it's not a strength orientated program at all!
It's closer to size+endurance than strength if you ask me. Well basically after 6 weeks of that, the results were like this;

My waist is 30", my weight remained at 77KG yet I leaned out. Good thing! But my jeans, the legs...were tighter. Fat burns, but leg grows.

After 3 weeks of 20 rep squats, it becomes easier. A lot easier, so much so that you just feel like finishing it quickly. The set drops from 2 minutes to about 1 minute 10 seconds for all 20 repetitions. But on week 5, (breaks out old journal...) I did 120KG x 20 and suddenly it became that much harder. 122.5KG was insane. 125KG was easy again. It seems that at certain weeks/weights, the body has a hard time handling it, but readapts again.

Your food intake, that definitely will go up. You'll just eat anything and everything.

I would've continued with the 20 reppers till I hit 140KG, but I started Olympic weightlifting again, so there was no time to waste doing 20 rep squats. The best part was really, the melting away of fat.
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that sound interesting...lol!! i love hardcore training

QUOTE(yeahs4.1 @ Jan 3 2009, 05:47 PM)
so you're saying that it's very good for cutting but less effective for bulking?

oh, how many set of 20 reppers did you do? do you do others compound movements as suggested, like presses, deads, rows and pulls?

i've read up somewhere that one shouldn't do deads more than 2 or 3 times in a week. is this relevant?
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1 set of 20reps is more than enough to kill you wink.gif

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post Jan 3 2009, 06:36 PM

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my ideal plan will be follow back rippetoe 3x5


Everything the same, just replace 3x5 squat with 1x20 squat, easy laugh.gif
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post Jan 9 2009, 03:39 PM

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i am wondering 20 reps will works onot for heavy weight
as most likely when 3rd set of firth reps my form will crash
and rely much of my lower back


Added on January 9, 2009, 3:58 pmEdit: i think i found the answer...kinda scary...lol
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This would be a good time to review the proper performance of this exercise: Pick a weight you would usually fail with at about 10 reps. At failure, pause and take several deep breaths, continue doing as many reps as you can, maybe one, maybe two is all you'll get. Pause again, take 3-5 deep breaths, and go again.

Keep doing this until you hit twenty reps. Make no mistake, this ain't easy, and you will want to quit before you hit twenty, but keep going. This is as much mental as it is anything else. if you've done the set correctly, you should pretty much hit the floor.


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post Jan 21 2009, 11:41 PM

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tried it today.. for fun...lol

1x20reps x 50kg

yeah..the feeling is nice...50kg is still easy...but i am breathing like cow when hitting reps18..
i can imagine that if i go further poundage...how tough it can be laugh.gif
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post Jan 22 2009, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jan 22 2009, 09:22 AM)
Nice, but I think 20 reps is more towards endurance+some size. I am now doing rippetoe program, but replace the 5 rep to at least 8 reps and max 12 reps. The set is still the same. Is it ok ? Example like this

Workout A
Squat 3x8xWt
Bench press 3x8xWt
DeadLift 1x8xWt
Chin up 2x5 BodyWt
Dip 2x8 BodyWt

Workout B
Squat 3x9xWt
Standing military press 3x8xWt
Pendlay Row 3x8xWt
Dip 2x8xBodyWt
Chin up 2x5xBodyWt

The reason I put Chin up and Dip in all my workout because I can finish the main exercise in about 30 minutes. So I add these 2 to become at least 45 minutes. And also every exercise I will increase my rep by 1 until it reach 12 and then add more weight and revert back to 8 rep. So the fastest development will be the squat. Because squat is done every workout. This is done to every major exercise except chin up. I dont have enough power to do more than 5 reps. Is this ok or got any other suggestion ?
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imho, 8 reps is too much, just stick to ori rippetoe

ADD WEIGHT every workout if you did perfect form in 3x5 last workout

2.5kg each workout...

i dont recommend 8 reps or more, as from what i experience, if you lift really heavy (let say 5RM), the last few reps is really tough and most likely you will crash your form if go further reps.

and lastly, it is all up to you, experience it, and find it which is suitable for you...


after CNY, i will officially start 20reps Death Route...lol

in short, it will be like this


6 week for 20 reps (1 week 3 workout)
12 week for Stronglift 5x5 (1 week 3 workout)
And repeat
Repeat....
Repeat....
Repeat....
Repeat....
Repeat....
Repeat....
Repeat....

Repeat....Repeat....Repeat....Repeat....Repeat....Repeat....Repeat....Repeat....Repeat....Repeat....Repeat....Repeat....till i die
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post Jan 23 2009, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(yeahs4.1 @ Jan 23 2009, 01:35 PM)
20 reppers are da bomb. squatted 40kg together with yeah_guyz 2 days ago, and i'm still not walking properly today.

one of the reason is i dont eat properly these days
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lol, i feel nothing the next day....

just a slight soreness

hey pizzza> how bout your 20 squat? 20x140kg? i want video biggrin.gif
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post Feb 3 2009, 10:41 AM

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start the program from this week
6 weeks program, 3 workout per week
weight at 86.7kg and Bf at 30.9% yesterday sweat.gif
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post Feb 3 2009, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(mofonyx @ Feb 3 2009, 10:48 AM)
That's almost 1/3 of your body being fat. Holy deeznuts.
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yeah! gained alot of fat since August

August BF at 28%

due to bad diet doh.gif
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QUOTE(myvi5949 @ Feb 3 2009, 02:26 PM)
Used to do 5 sets of 20 reps squats with 20kg weight when i first started.. my leg sore for a whole week. lol
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1 week soreness is common if you just started to squat
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post Feb 5 2009, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(anonymousover9000 @ Feb 5 2009, 11:13 AM)
what are the warmups u do b4 squat?
i will do light sets with light weight for leg extension, leg curl  and strecthing.
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i normally warm up with jogging and stretching

and squat few set of light poundage

example

if your work set is 80kg

Warm up

2x5xOly bar
1x5x40kg
1x3x60kg

Work Set
3x5x80kg
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QUOTE(aronliew @ Feb 5 2009, 08:14 PM)
A sample program for someone with good recovery ability might look like this:

    * Squat: 1x20
    * Pullovers: 1x20
    * Stiff-legged deadlift: 1x15
    * Pullovers: 1x20
    * Bench press: 2-3 x 10
    * Bent row: 2-3x15
    * Military press: 2-3 x 12
bro.... i found that my whole body pain after doing this after a long period
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it is normal, bro

if you are beginner, the soreness can easily last a week
just rest and consume enough protein, then u can recover faster
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post Feb 7 2009, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(zeist @ Feb 7 2009, 01:27 AM)
Squat and Deadlift are dangerous if you are new. Doing it wrongly will cause knee injury. You want to do squats, do without weights first. If you think is easy doing without any weights, you try first then let me know. lulz! And, do it in the right way.
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no one ask you straight go for 100kg squat, sure danger la

go for lightweight to learn form of course

every exercise also dangerous if you did it in wrong way, will you jump to 3m depth swimming pool if you dont know how to swim? common sense what?
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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Feb 7 2009, 09:38 AM)
woot, 20 squat routine. After this 20 squat, no energy to other other workout. I divided my squat into 3 set. 6-8 reps each set. flex.gif

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not really out of energy, start from light 1st
what is your 5rm for squat?

my case is :- My 5RM=90kg

90kg-40kg=50kg

in 6 weeek program, 3 workout per week

add 2.5kg every workout, you will reach 95kg squat after 6 week if everything smooth

6week x 3 workout x 2.5kg=45kg+50kg=95kg

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at first, it is quite hard to do squat. Now my squat poundage already increase to a bit more than my bodyweight smile.gif I like it


dont be afraid to add weight, add 2.5kg EVERY workout if you did well in previous workout, your body can adapt it damn fast



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UP ! UP UP!!

anyone else doing this program? share it

2nd week now for this workout, so far so good.
today going to squat 1x20x62.5kg

i think nightmare is going to me after i reach 70kg onward
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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Feb 14 2009, 01:17 PM)
what is 5 RM ? my squat now is 69kg with 7 reps for 3 set. Today going same 3 sets x 8 reps x 69kg (oly barbell + 120 lbs) btw i'm 62kg
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5 RM means 5 Reps MAx
the max weight you can carry at 5reps

in your case, your 7RM is 69kg

QUOTE(wallpaper89 @ Feb 14 2009, 01:43 PM)
I thought 20 rep squat routine is to do 20 reps, all at once, at a very heavy weight, a weight which you would normally only be able to do much less than 20 reps of?
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yeah, absolutely, all in once

normally they did the weight at 10RM, push for extra 10reps

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Peary Rader, founder of Ironman magazine, with the help of people like Hise, is generally credited with coming up with the first 20 rep, breathing style squat routine. Breathing squats for those who don't know, are squats done for 20 reps with a weight you usually do 10 reps with, each time you hit failure, you take 3-5 deep breaths and continue until you get to 20 (a full description will be given later) while I have seen lighter weight 20 and even 25 rep versions, this one is most common.



but i work it in this way, 5RM-40kg
let say my 5RM is 90kg
i will start 20reps squat with 50kg(90-40=50)

and add 2.5kg every workout
6 week program..i am going to finish it at 92.5kg when i reach the end of program
yeah, it is killing

The best idea of this program! rclxms.gif

Reps 1-3:
Nice and easy. Is there any weight on my back?

Reps 4-6: Starting to feel it. Yes, indeed there IS weight on my back!

Reps 7-9: I am in pain. By the 9th rep, the mind is already telling me to rack the bar and stop the insanity. I truly believe that you must be in this kind of pain by rep 9 or 10 to truly get the effect of the 20 rep squat.

If you get to 9 or 10 and you aren't feeling much, INCREASE THE DAMN WEIGHT! By the 9th rep, your mind should be telling you that this was a damn bad idea.

Reps 10-12: My entire body is screaming out in agony. I tend to look slightly up when I squat so right in my view, on the wall, are the words, "DON'T YOU QUIT!" At this point, I am staring intently at those words. I am already sick to my stomach, and I am starting to wonder if I can get the next 8 reps.

Reps 13-15:
Yeah. This was a damn bad idea. I am no longer counting in 3s but instead in 1s. Between each rep, I stand shaking with the weight on my back and breathing like a runaway train. The thought of quitting is overcome by me screaming DOWN! DOWN! DOWN! These reps came up very slow. 5 more baby! 5 more!

Reps 16-17: Very slow and agonizing. Breathing is forceful; heart is pounding a mile a minute. 20 is right around the corner. Just supporting the weight has become a chore. My entire body is shaking. I taste that protein drink as I burp it into my mouth.

Some of it comes out onto my shirt. I don't care. The garage could burn down around me right now and I would not care. I am steely eyed. I am ready. I will get 3 more reps. Do or die baby!

Reps 18-20: Disgustingly slow. My lower body is now numb. I am rising out of the hole but I can't tell. Everything is now painful. Even standing there with the bar, to breathing, to actually squatting. I can no longer tell the difference. Time is standing still.

This is the point were the weak stop and the strong continue. This is the battle that will win the war. The bar cannot beat me. I scream in agony as I rise out of the hole. While breathing, I swear, I spit, I puke. As the 20th rep locks out I have to fight just to get the bar back to the rack.
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QUOTE(HappyGOLuckyme @ Feb 14 2009, 09:10 PM)
easy..
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lol, please! stinky
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QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Feb 3 2009, 10:41 AM)
start the program from this week
6 weeks program, 3 workout per week
weight at 86.7kg and Bf at 30.9% yesterday sweat.gif
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Current stat after 2 week of running this program
87.5kg at 29% BF
(i think not so accurate, as measurement on 14 feb is 86.9kg at 30% BF)


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