hello again

i just had a thought last nite

does the tempreture of your room or elsewhere affect the guitar strings?

like does the strings expand or shrink?

bcoz if this were true..this means that the strings can go slightly out of tune right?

thanks

happy new year

This post has been edited by beastwars: Dec 29 2008, 09:57 PM

No not only slightly out of tune, there is a possibility for it to snap too. Happened to me before, snapped the night before my exam -___-
had to dish out really old spare strings lol
shyt happens man

hardware does help to keep your guitar stays in tune lah ..



This post has been edited by gapnap: Dec 30 2008, 02:30 AM

Its not the strings, the temperature affects the wood in the guitar. So if its out of tune, its more of a case of the neck being bent, not the strings changing size.

ok cool. i also wanted to ask such question. TS, hijack ur thread a while.

while storing our guitars, how much does the room temperature affect the wood? my room is facing west and it gets HOT!!!!!!! and really hot.

any solution to this? other than moving my guitars to other room.

i've oways tod its the string
cz strings = metal
metal more sensitive to temperature changes, so the effect is faster
cold shrink, notes sharp
hot expand, notes flat


wood are more sensitive to moisture
like axis, stingray necks, warwick necks, which have very thin finish
since wood are more expose to the air
change of humidity is can cause the neck to react....
many warwicks failed to the humidity

shit all this time my guitar were right underneath the air conditioner...


This post has been edited by neildesouza: Dec 30 2008, 03:29 AM

does keeping guitars in cases or bags help?

i believe your statement is more accurate. yes, heat will affect the strings more than the body/neck. i'm not saying heat won't affect the the woods, but it will definitely affect the strings 1st. woods takes longer exposure for it to take a direct effect.

here's a thought:

why do guitar players never use the same guitar for a whole concert?
- from what i know, it's because the strings will expand due to the heat from the spotlights and that will affect the tuning. metals are more conductive to heat than woods, remember? of course, this only really apply in hot places, in a room, it's more or less accurate only.

i see bodom using the same guitar for the whole concert

for the metal in strings to expand or contract by a significant amount, the temperature would have to be very close to 100C...you will die first.
likewise for it to contract, has to be close to 0 or below.

whereas the glue in woods, that is a different story.
any slight melt of the glue and the wood can shift etc.

moisture of cos is the other one causing the wood to shrink or expand.
thats why never ever take out ur guitar from a gig bag or case immediately after going from a hot->cold room or vice versa.
let it rest at least 10mins in the new room.

My classical guitar string is gone bad already. Need to change...

no wonder my classical the wood snapped....

this is when i started to ask this question
when i was staring at my guitar under the air cond

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Added on December 30, 2008, 7:09 pmso basically the wood will affect ?
i mean from what i learn in sceince class
i thought the metal is sensitive to heat..
oh well i guess i better not put my guitar under the aircond

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Added on December 30, 2008, 7:09 pmdude the wood like really "snap" ??
like patah ? in half?

This post has been edited by beastwars: Dec 30 2008, 07:09 PM

i suppose u can fill ur case with siilca gel for moisture control...

try not to put more than 1 small pack of silica gel. itll be too dry

lol,i wonder how to maintain my guitar then.

its blistering hot now 40 i think today after long periods of 20 - 18 and a short period of single digit cold

where can i get sillica gel ??
lol i know i can find em in shoe boxes
but my mom just simply threw it away
bcoz it has that warning do not eat sign..lol

camera shops.

well that's not necessarily true though. what you saw is simply the same "model/brand". it may not be the same guitar.

in context of the glue, then it could be a valid argument. but i don't think the glue can easily melt in room temperature. the glue itself could probably stands up 50 degree Celsius or more. i do agree however that minor changes on several part of the woods would definitely have more affect on tuning than minor changes on the strings(in regards to temp that is).

confirm same

so guys, a guitar in a very hot room, the wood or neck won't warp lah hor?

just that when i need to take the guitar to a colder room, i shud let the guitar rest in its bag for 10mins like everdying said? rite?

in a cold room, let's say 16°C, take the guitar and tune it right away... you'll feel that the higher strings are really cold.
once the guitar is tuned, start playing.. the bends, the slides, the friction.. all those are going to warm up the strings and your quitar becomes out of tune in a matter of minutes !

Therefore, the strings do expand and shrink quite happily with temperature ! They heat up to about 25°C/30°C I'd say. --> the tuning is getting flatter.

The rod inside the neck is also made of metal, but (as written earlier) it's protected by the wood... so the impact of T is taking more time. Yet, after a while, the rod will get warmer (if the room gets warmer), therefore more tension --> it will pull the head backwards --> more tension of the strings. The tuning is should be getting a bit sharper. However, i never noticed this...

The wood is not affected by heat (as far as i know !)
The glue... mmm... i'm not sure. If the glue becomes a little less sticky every time the t°C is getting higher, the neck will just snap away after a while, no ?

It will go out of tune
My craftsman lp will go out of tune but my yamaha wont
Dont know why
In cold air the strings contract and when in hot air the strings expand
Simple science. This cause the thing to go out fo tune
After cold and hot mix the strings will be like that

u mean put it in the guitar bag with the guitar?...

YARP!

i dont quite like the smell, i got a pack of it., im not sure it's silica or not.. i just know it...smell...lol

Will that Thirsty Hippo thing I saw on TV work? Lol, Thirsty Hippo, hahahahaha!!

Better get a case for my guitar...

maybe it's the guitar build then...craftsman vs yamaha?

thirsty hippo's box would be too big to fit inside lah! lolz...

well i guess
its nuff said then
puttung the guitar under over tempreture cold or hot
has it effects

hmmm...well i guess my initial understanding was correct. i blame everdying for misleading me with the glue thing .

thanks for taking the time to read my answer