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TSbeastwars
post Dec 29 2008, 09:57 PM, updated 17y ago

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hello again

i just had a thought last nite

does the tempreture of your room or elsewhere affect the guitar strings?

like does the strings expand or shrink?

bcoz if this were true..this means that the strings can go slightly out of tune right?

thanks

happy new year

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post Dec 30 2008, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(beastwars @ Dec 29 2008, 09:57 PM)
bcoz if this were true..this means that the strings can go slightly out of tune right?
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No not only slightly out of tune, there is a possibility for it to snap too. Happened to me before, snapped the night before my exam -___-
had to dish out really old spare strings lol
shyt happens man
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post Dec 30 2008, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(batuapi @ Dec 29 2008, 10:23 PM)
No, it's not the strings.
it's the wood. Sometimes you might need to downtune or uptune your strings due to wood expansion/contraction from either temp or humidity.
That's why you always have to tune your guitar before playing.

All that crap about this and that guitar stays in tune better due to hardware is BS.

Wood is never static/constant. You always have to tune your guitar before you play after 1 or 2 days.
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hardware does help to keep your guitar stays in tune lah ..



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post Dec 30 2008, 01:56 AM

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Its not the strings, the temperature affects the wood in the guitar. So if its out of tune, its more of a case of the neck being bent, not the strings changing size.
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post Dec 30 2008, 02:25 AM

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ok cool. i also wanted to ask such question. TS, hijack ur thread a while.

while storing our guitars, how much does the room temperature affect the wood? my room is facing west and it gets HOT!!!!!!! and really hot.

any solution to this? other than moving my guitars to other room.
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post Dec 30 2008, 02:31 AM

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i've oways tod its the string
cz strings = metal
metal more sensitive to temperature changes, so the effect is faster
cold shrink, notes sharp
hot expand, notes flat


wood are more sensitive to moisture
like axis, stingray necks, warwick necks, which have very thin finish
since wood are more expose to the air
change of humidity is can cause the neck to react....
many warwicks failed to the humidity


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post Dec 30 2008, 03:03 AM

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shit all this time my guitar were right underneath the air conditioner...
sweat.gif

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post Dec 30 2008, 11:27 AM

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does keeping guitars in cases or bags help?
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post Dec 30 2008, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(crazychris @ Dec 30 2008, 02:31 AM)
i've oways tod its the string
cz strings = metal
metal more sensitive to temperature changes, so the effect is faster
cold shrink, notes sharp
hot expand, notes flat
wood are more sensitive to moisture
like axis, stingray necks, warwick necks, which have very thin finish
since wood are more expose to the air
change of humidity is can cause the neck to react....
many warwicks failed to the humidity
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i believe your statement is more accurate. yes, heat will affect the strings more than the body/neck. i'm not saying heat won't affect the the woods, but it will definitely affect the strings 1st. woods takes longer exposure for it to take a direct effect.

here's a thought:

why do guitar players never use the same guitar for a whole concert?
- from what i know, it's because the strings will expand due to the heat from the spotlights and that will affect the tuning. metals are more conductive to heat than woods, remember? of course, this only really apply in hot places, in a room, it's more or less accurate only.
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post Dec 30 2008, 12:35 PM

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i see bodom using the same guitar for the whole concert whistling.gif
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post Dec 30 2008, 12:42 PM

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for the metal in strings to expand or contract by a significant amount, the temperature would have to be very close to 100C...you will die first.
likewise for it to contract, has to be close to 0 or below.

whereas the glue in woods, that is a different story.
any slight melt of the glue and the wood can shift etc.

moisture of cos is the other one causing the wood to shrink or expand.
thats why never ever take out ur guitar from a gig bag or case immediately after going from a hot->cold room or vice versa.
let it rest at least 10mins in the new room.
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post Dec 30 2008, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(beastwars @ Dec 29 2008, 09:57 PM)
hello again

i just had a thought last nite

does the tempreture of your room or elsewhere affect the guitar strings?

like does the strings expand or shrink?

bcoz if this were true..this means that the strings can go slightly out of tune right?

thanks

happy new year
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My classical guitar string is gone bad already. sad.gif Need to change...
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post Dec 30 2008, 01:11 PM

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no wonder my classical the wood snapped.... sad.gif
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post Dec 30 2008, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(neildesouza @ Dec 30 2008, 03:03 AM)
shit all this time my guitar were right underneath the air conditioner...
sweat.gif
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this is when i started to ask this question
when i was staring at my guitar under the air cond


Added on December 30, 2008, 7:09 pmso basically the wood will affect ?
i mean from what i learn in sceince class
i thought the metal is sensitive to heat..
oh well i guess i better not put my guitar under the aircond


Added on December 30, 2008, 7:09 pm
QUOTE(icyfawkes @ Dec 30 2008, 01:11 PM)
no wonder my classical the wood snapped.... sad.gif
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dude the wood like really "snap" ??
like patah ? in half?

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post Dec 30 2008, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(ej91 @ Dec 30 2008, 11:27 AM)
does keeping guitars in cases or bags help?
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i suppose u can fill ur case with siilca gel for moisture control...
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post Dec 30 2008, 10:29 PM

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try not to put more than 1 small pack of silica gel. itll be too dry
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post Dec 30 2008, 11:23 PM

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lol,i wonder how to maintain my guitar then.

its blistering hot now 40 i think today after long periods of 20 - 18 and a short period of single digit cold
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post Dec 31 2008, 03:00 AM

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where can i get sillica gel ??
lol i know i can find em in shoe boxes
but my mom just simply threw it away
bcoz it has that warning do not eat sign..lol
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QUOTE(beastwars @ Dec 31 2008, 03:00 AM)
where can i get sillica gel ??
lol i know i can find em in shoe boxes
but my mom just simply threw it away
bcoz it has that warning do not eat sign..lol
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post Jan 1 2009, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(Dead Eye @ Dec 30 2008, 12:35 PM)
i see bodom using the same guitar for the whole concert  whistling.gif
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well that's not necessarily true though. what you saw is simply the same "model/brand". it may not be the same guitar.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 30 2008, 12:42 PM)
for the metal in strings to expand or contract by a significant amount, the temperature would have to be very close to 100C...you will die first.
likewise for it to contract, has to be close to 0 or below.

whereas the glue in woods, that is a different story.
any slight melt of the glue and the wood can shift etc.

moisture of cos is the other one causing the wood to shrink or expand.
thats why never ever take out ur guitar from a gig bag or case immediately after going from a hot->cold room or vice versa.
let it rest at least 10mins in the new room.
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in context of the glue, then it could be a valid argument. but i don't think the glue can easily melt in room temperature. the glue itself could probably stands up 50 degree Celsius or more. i do agree however that minor changes on several part of the woods would definitely have more affect on tuning than minor changes on the strings(in regards to temp that is).

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