thats quite suprising, nevertheless u should read the fine print.
what fine print? XD....... seriously there isnt any........


i.e. Your employment is subject to the applicable law i.e. Employment Act (even though your salary exceeds RM 1500-00)

By default since there are no other terms the applicable law will be choosen as default. (again Employment Act, even though your salary exceeds RM 1500-00)

None of these. And my starting salary is 1.6 =P

the above i am not certain off... but technically if there is no mention of term like:
1. duration of your probation
2. termination
3. resignation...and so on.

yes none officially mentioned in black and white yet its 3 months probation as i understand from the secretary.

TECHNICALLY - cross refer above items
1. Your probation period is infinite (continue to run until you are confirmed) until you are confirmed.
2. You can be terminated at any point in time.
3. 24 hours notice of resignation would suffice.

#1 : Serious? Lol. I dont think my boss is that keen to keep me on probation for that long.
#2 : Hmm but it has to be on firm basis i suppose? ie unsatisfactory performance or multiple warnings.
#3 : But i understand that 1months notice is the standard rite?

Btw u didnt mentioned in your offer letter whether it has a probation period or otherwise, I AM literally thinking that your letter of offer includes ur commencement date and salary only.

U are absolutely right.

My 2 cents you can resign any time you want, so long as you serve your notice on the company,.
Hmm okay. Tho ethically i do feel like i have wasted to company's sincere time and effort to get me in with all the training etc for the last 4 weeks, but as i progress each day in the company's business.........which involves alot of stuff, not just specific areas, none of which i have really grown interest in. Learning new things is good. But not putting my whole heart into my work will just slow me down and waste the company's time, and probably make my boss lose a few brain cells. i dont intend to be labled as a job hopper but i think moving on is the best i can think off. If i were to resign, i think it wud be with a happy heart. Haha.

Anyway thanks for the 2 cents. I swear there was 4 in there.........

This post has been edited by Pinarello: Nov 20 2009, 07:46 PM

#1 : Serious? Lol. I dont think my boss is that keen to keep me on probation for that long.
#2 : Hmm but it has to be on firm basis i suppose? ie unsatisfactory performance or multiple warnings.
#3 : But i understand that 1months notice is the standard rite?

#1 the longer you are kept under probation, the more you will lose out in terms of increment, annual leave entitlement and bonus because you are not a permanent staff. Further, if your probation is extended normally means a person is under-performing. The terms of a probation staff is different from a permanent staff, for example termination of employment.

#2 & #3 like you said, there is no terms whatsoever in your contract. Whats stopping your employer from creating the law?
example liek you said, you "understand" from the secretary you probation period is 3 months.

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I suggest you clarify with your HR Dept (if there is one) the mysterious unwritten terms and procedures.

Don't want to get into a sticky situation later on.

No HD department. The secretary does almost everything. Kesian her work so hard also.

but my point is there is no written statement handed to me to read or agree upon. So i dont know if i plan to resign (before end of the month), that giving two weeks notice and then my boss and supervisor comes up with excuse say "Oh standard notice is one month and we practise it always" when it is not even formally written and submitted to me for reading and agreeing.

If they do like that i feel its not fair.

Plus the company is slightly short of manpower/staff. Previously we had 5 working staff. 2 technicians 1 sales and 1 IT and me. The IT guy left abt 2 weeks ago. So now im slightly taking over his place while still doing the technical side. If i leave i wonder if they will with hold my tender on grounds not enough staff and ask me to stay longer. The company also now seems like in the midst of getting ready to move out more projects. Im also worried if i tender now the wont allow me. They cant do that right coz no formal agreement at all? Otherwise i will ask Labour Office.

Anyway thanks for any clarifications. TQ

This post has been edited by Pinarello: Dec 3 2009, 03:48 PM

but my point is there is no written statement handed to me to read or agree upon. So i dont know if i plan to resign (before end of the month), that giving two weeks notice and then my boss and supervisor comes up with excuse say "Oh standard notice is one month and we practise it always" when it is not even formally written and submitted to me for reading and agreeing.

Note:
Do it first day of the month after u have collected ur pay check the day be4

Tender ur notice first day of the working month, if ur boss say it is one month notice than u ask him back what written statement say one month notice?

Than you say you always thought it was 24 hours notice.

Generally companies without a proper guideline/SOP pertaining to HR issues will get into trouble with minor issues like this. If its not put in writing, they can't create/make their own LAWs out of thin air thereafter because it is not something that you have AGREED to in your contract for employment.

Plus the company is slightly short of manpower/staff. Previously we had 5 working staff. 2 technicians 1 sales and 1 IT and me. The IT guy left abt 2 weeks ago. So now im slightly taking over his place while still doing the technical side. If i leave i wonder if they will with hold my tender on grounds not enough staff and ask me to stay longer. The company also now seems like in the midst of getting ready to move out more projects. Im also worried if i tender now the wont allow me. They cant do that right coz no formal agreement at all? Otherwise i will ask Labour Office.


Why do you care, whether the company is short of man power because they are expanding?

Tender your notice first, they can't stop you from leaving the company.

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Note to Pinarello:
What do you need to do:
1. Make up your mind whether you want to resign or continue your employment!
2. Make sure you tender your resignation first.
3. Tender your resignation FIRST day of the month
(reason being, you can walk off 24 hrs. If the company is one of those bad a$$ companies, try to use slimmy tactics to keep staff by without paying staff their salary and making their life miserable)

Alright......thanks very much for guidance. May this be a guide to others as well.

Dear all,

I juz work with a company which dun have a proper structure at all. I've been working here almost 3 months now. Now I want to resign. But since I didnt sign any offer letter,can I juz quit or must follow employment act minimum 4 weeks of notice.

This post has been edited by kombenasai: Dec 14 2009, 02:21 AM

I have been working with my current employer almost 2++ years and I have a good rapport with my GM.

I tendered my resignation yesterday and thinking of request my GM to write a testimonial for me. Should i or not?

i usually just ask my ex-supervisors if they are ok to be quoted as references. testimonials i not so sure, perhaps if u r on good enough terms its easier to just give him a draft and ask him to edit where necessary, once he agrees of course.

Always leave in a positive note. Ask your direct superior or HRM Dept pertaining your notice period.

Regards, Joey

This post has been edited by Joey Christensen: Dec 24 2009, 08:27 PM

My case has now moved slightly better........well i havent resigned yet but ive talked with my boss abt my situation. Luckily he is understanding and listens. So he roughly knows my intentions. 2 months already with the company. But as Joey says......leave with a high note. Which is what im doing at the moment. Maybe end of the month or after i get my salary i shall tender in.

I have a question. Suppose if notice period is two months but tender resignation around 1.5 months further, possible ?

If you ask me, anything is possible.

You mean you only serve 1.5 months (i.e. 45 days) rather than the whole 2 months (i.e. 60 days) of your notice?

Assuming you were suppose to serve 2 months notice but only served 1.5 months.

My 2 cents:
1. You end up paying the balance of the number of days remaining i.e. 15 days.

2. Your attempt will most likely be rejected.

3. If you leave without serving the proper notice period required i.e. 1.5 months instead of 2 months:
a) Your company can take action against you for breach of contract (if its worth their while); or
b) Withhold your salary, if its due to you; or
c) you get blacklisted by the company (embarrassing if your prospective employer calls up for reference).

Finally.
Best is get waiver from company.

Hi all, is it fine to tell my boss that I'm leaving if I do not get my expected pay raise?
I've been direct to my boss all the while. Reason is to allow him to start preparing for backups and operations won't be impacted without me.

Will they sack me for doing so?

Normally,

People would find a job, than tell their boss.

Why?
1. it shows your serious about leaving your job.
2. if you find a job that pays you 50% more, you can turn around and tell your boss "hey look i am 50% under-valued in my current job in terms of salary".

At least you can bring something to the negotiating table rather than firing blanks at your boss.

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Hi all, is it fine to tell my boss that I'm leaving if I do not get my expected pay raise?

I've been direct to my boss all the while. Reason is to allow him to start preparing for backups and operations won't be impacted without me.

Well all i can say your honest, professional and ethical in carrying out your duties.

My thoughts n 2 cents:
1. how close are you with your boss?
2. does he normally keeps his promises?
Some companies have bosses good at manufacturing promises rather than keeping it.
3. is he a cheapskate?
Is your boss stingy, i have worked in a company that is willing to let go of senior staff and hiring a junior staff as replacement for cost reasons.
4. does your company have a high turnover rate (staff)?

hai..i just receive a final warning letter is talking about all bullshit things about me...i just wanna ask is,can i straight get last warning since i never get the 1st and 2nd warning letter?they are writing to me final warning to me....look like damm serios...if i no sign it..they ask me get lost from this company...if i sign it..they easy to kick my out early???can some one adviece wat can i do?

To my knowledge, once u get a warning letter your not entitled to increment/bonus etc... and to some extent, this would be reflect consistently in your KPI (if applicable to you).

My thoughts/ 2 cents:
1. a person should be a given an opportunity to answer any issues arising in his/her employment;

2. as such a person would be given an opportunity to answer such issues before a panel (domestic enquiry?) or counseled by a qualified HR personnel;

3. finally, if all reasoning fails only than 1st/2nd/3rd warning letters are issued.

Unless of course an employee has been found to have committed some serious offence i.e. theft.

if i no sign it..they ask me get lost from this company...if i sign it..they easy to kick my out early???can some one adviece wat can i do?

I have to agree with you.

If you do sign the letter.
The implication is, if they choose to terminate your employment from the face of it looks pretty legitimate. Since you yourself sign off on the paper and technically agreed to all the statements contained in the warning letter. As such they don't have to pay you any compensation for immediate termination.

Example:
Normally depending on the notice period your required to give to your employer.

Say: your contract states that you are required to give 6 months notice, if your employer requires you to leave immediately. They need to compensate you with 6 months salary. This applies to the employee as well. (such terms may vary, this is just a benchmark)

If you don't sign the letter
Assuming:
1. they didn't go by the book;
2. they didn't give you an opportunity to reply; and
3. the "nature" of your so called offence is minor and does not warrant a warning letter.

Than i can safely say that you shouldn't sign off on that letter, you should:
1. ask for an explanation;
2. if the contents are untrue or malicious in nature, ask for an explanation;
3. if the contents are true to a certain extent, ask for opportunity to answer those allegations; and
4. finally try and negotiate with your employers not to issue you a warning letter (if possible).

To protect yourself, i suggest:
1. you put all correspondence in writting;
2. ask HR/Manager or whomever to put it in writing before corresponding with you (if otherwise i.e. verbal just ignore);
3. if in any doubt, put in writing.

Good luck.

So true... put everythin in writing... you may want to use them later on (IF needed)...

But.. are you happy enuf to still work there after what they have done to you?

just a question,

today i tender my resignation...my boss ask me reason and where i work(actually i dun like to tell la), i said selangor and a vendor company...

He guessing and direct give me the name (vendor company name), OMG, i firstly wanna deny but after all then i just acknowledge lo...is it me stupid???

It's a mistake when we confront our boss with this type of questions, even myself make such mistakes.

If i am in doubt, i just say i don't know and not too. Than say the only thing your sure of is you definitely want to resign.

Preferably not to be too honest when you resign, next time just say further studies or father want you to go back to do business or something.

Thanks aurora97 for taking time to feedback on my post.

In this case I'll wait until I get a job only tell my boss.

And answer to your thoughts:
1. When I have issues or not happy with my job, I'll just tell my boss about it.
2. Depends on situation. If it's within his control yes. But in most cases my boss couldn't do much due to company direction. (My boss is 1 level above me but 5 levels below other bosses)
3. Certainly not.
4. Yes, my company has high turnover rate.

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Added on February 3, 2010, 1:23 amAny cons of being too honest when resigning? I'm thinking of listing my boss as my referral. Would this help?

This post has been edited by Shinichi: Feb 3 2010, 01:23 AM