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post Oct 6 2009, 09:39 AM

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Heh, first the dropping of the CE packs, then the price increase for Europe and now this.

Next we'll hear that Starcraft or Diablo 3 are coming to consoles as well.

Continue the rage please.
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post Oct 26 2009, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Oct 26 2009, 05:39 PM)
Oh hey guys so I heard from frags local pricing is RM220
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post Oct 27 2009, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(JuzJoe @ Oct 26 2009, 09:57 PM)
RM220 can buy me almost 2 games.
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post Oct 27 2009, 11:17 AM

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3rd person not so bad (The original Rainbow 6 had third person, so its not really that faux pas)

You can consider them to have really jumped the shark if they include cover mechanics tongue.gif
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post Oct 28 2009, 08:59 AM

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Intro's The finale of the first act's been leaked... apparently by the French again.

You have to watch the video to see what its trying to pull off... If the execution scene in the first MW wasn't good enough for you, this arguably is.

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 28 2009, 10:36 AM)
The stupid australian government should have banned this.

Save the aussies from a shit game and some money for more beer.
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If this was indeed a "shit" game, we wouldn't have 120k over signatures in a petition.
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post Oct 28 2009, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 28 2009, 10:58 AM)
Ok,what is revealed so far that makes MW2 is not a shit game? None.

Then,whats shit then?

No dedicated servers
No modding
Mass murdering of innocent civilians which is far worse than mass murdering a bunch of wounded zombies.Even GTA is much better than this.
3rd person view

MP is already shit,now,even the SP is shit.Gawd knows what bullshit that they have in the game for us.It seems like there is a huge change in direction in MW2,which makes it look so different with previous CoDs.

It's actually 160k now on the petition.People sign the petition because they hope that they can change MW2 and hope it will be as awesome as MW1.I think all the efforts is wasted.
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The thing is, the core game itself isn't shit. Otherwise any turd on the planet can be considered great just because it has dedicated servers and modding (Clue: It doesn't)

If this were some sequel to some rubbish game, nobody would bat an eyelid if the developers announced that there's no dedicated servers, no modding, or if it uses SHITNet for matchmaking.

But if you really think the core game is shit, then petitioning it wouldn't help since the best implementation of dedicated servers or server browsers won't save it. People would just ignore it and move on. As it is, the game is just crippled on the PC version, but the single player looks to be at the same level as before.

Also, did you see the video? The "mass murdering" of civilians appears to be optional and its purpose is to drive home a point (That undercover operatives are crap). I personally think its a gutsy move as it evokes an emotional response and your outrage proves it.


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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 28 2009, 11:19 AM)
The core game like the new perks,double attachments in MP isnt bad,it's just that the stuff was announced later on is shit.

I dont know why they would put you in a scene that shows mass murdering of civilians as there are much moreĀ  bad things to do as a terrorist than just murdering a bunch of people.It's just wrong.

I believe that part actually leads to killing an important person that was shown in the trailer.
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Erm, so its wrong because its NOT the worst a terrorist can do? You'd rather they blew up whole cities or crash planes into buildings instead? I'm really hoping I'm misunderstanding your statement.

Also, its not like it wasn't done before (You can see it in the intro sequence of COD4)... Its just that this time YOU are a part of it.

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 28 2009, 11:37 AM)
No,i mean it's just wrong to show mass murdering of innocent civilians.It's sick.At least you dont see a lot of people die in agony when you blow up the whole city.

The intro sequence of CoD4 is awesome.It was a bit of a controversy,but it wasnt too much.The mass murdering part was just a small of of it and i actually miss it the first time play.This time,they put you in the shoes of the mass murdering and it's the main event in that mission.
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QUOTE(kianweic @ Oct 28 2009, 11:39 AM)
This actually sounds very disturbing.

Far more disturbing than GTA4 or The Witcher could have accomplished.
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YES. That is the point! They're trying to invoke a negative emotion from this. They kinda did with the nuclear bomb from the first MW and it seems like they've upped it from then.


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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 28 2009, 05:00 PM)
Then,they upped it way too much till it's disturbing. doh.gif
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Oh c'mon... The entire point of the execution and nuclear fallout scenes in the first Modern Warfare WAS to make it disturbing. They had practically no gameplay value and we're just there to illustrate the horrors of warfare.

This is more of the same, but with a little more interactivity on your part.

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 28 2009, 05:13 PM)
Yes,but it's way over done.

Seeing innocent civilians getting killed doesnt really show the horror of warfare.It could be a robbery with people spraying guns at innocent people.
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I honestly don't understand why its overdone... Is it because you can see their faces? Is it because we can see bodies? Has the media of today desensitized us to wars so much that if hundreds of ppl die in a building collapse or car bomb explosion, its ok, but if you shoot a roomful of unarmed ppl, its not?

WTF man.

Yes, I find it disturbing that this is in the game, but at the same time I don't think its that horrible to the point where its too much. They detonated a nuclear bomb in the last game for crying out loud.
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In the RPS thread where I heard about this, the negative reactions were mostly centred around the fact that you *had* to kill the civilians to maintain your cover (Hard to tell whether you had to in that video really).

My guess is, the objective is just going to be "Maintain your cover" and they'll let your interpret it accordingly.
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QUOTE(Voxe @ Oct 29 2009, 12:00 AM)
Why can't we buy the game just for the SP? It seems no one is excited about the SP. I liked the levels offered in MW1 especially the sniper ones. The levels were beautifully sculpted, Pripyat was deathly beautiful. I hope we get more sniper actions in MW2.

Cheesenium, don't be so stupid.
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I do enjoy the SP campaigns from the IW CoD games. But the price tag is just too much and that video is making a strong case for it.

I'm actually more annoyed by Cheese's insinuation that this level alone somehow makes the whole game "shit" on top of the other stuff that made it "shit".

Modern Warfare 2 is looking to be a fine game. I am just saddened that IW has crippled the PC version and charged and arm and a leg for it. If these weren't issues I'd get it. Hell, if only the price was lower, I'd consider getting it.

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 29 2009, 08:57 AM)
So,now,i cant have my own opinion on this game?
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I never said that... I just was annoyed at your justification of calling it "shit" just because bits of it are ineffectual.

Yes, the multiplayer infrastructure is horrible as it is... But is the core MP gameplay bad as a result? We are probably going to get the short end of the stick because we're here and IW is *there*, but for those who are able to play it properly, I doubt it'll not be considered one of the top games of the year.

QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 29 2009, 08:57 AM)
The shitty MP have already made me very disappointed with the game.Now,with the controversial campaign where you have a choice to gun down innocent people,is there anything wrong that i find it unacceptable and disturbing? Thats what i think and do i need to think in the same way as you?
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I was appalled at your line of reasoning (For I did not understand it at first... but that didn't really change after your explanation) after which I made one remark about it and left it at that... Nowhere did I force you to change your thoughts about it beyond that (Hell even in this post you quoted, I didn't even address it)

I was more concerned about why this one scene somehow invalidated the rest of the game and thus equated the single player to "shit" status in your mind.

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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Oct 29 2009, 10:02 AM)
i don't mind killing civillians. black hawk down punishes me from killing civillians which was a turn off. laugh.gif i love a game that lets me kill everything.

what makes me angry bout this game is because of their PC "defocus" on the MP part. and price hike, no special editions...bla bla. mad.gif
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... and on the other end of the spectrum...
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QUOTE(AdamNg @ Oct 29 2009, 10:22 AM)
C'mon it's just a game nothing more than that. Anyway I agree with u that it's clever move by IW to stray away from the straight-up FPS level "shoot every terrorist". This what the gamers want nowadays..new style of FPS, not just kill bad guys (always korean, Russian, Iraqi, African n so on)...Why not kill AMERICAN?
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The video takes place in a Russian airport, so no, not Americans either.

And I think you're also viewing it out of context. Its not really about "Hey, you can shoot good guys now", its more of "Here, shoot innocent civilians or lose your cover". If the other guy had a gun, its still justifiable somehow (Self defence), not so much with some dude who just happened to be there.
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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Oct 29 2009, 10:28 AM)
meh...it is just a game. i mean as in the story/SP. like you cant drive a ferrari in real life, but u smash them into the walls in NFS. that kind of satisfaction...that's why gaming is so much fun. you put away your moral, humanity sane, restrictions in real life...you do what you want in game. of course, you do not practice those in the living world. laugh.gif the black hawk down for example, the civillian throws rocks on me, so i shoot them in the face. but it leads to restarting the checkpoint...i could do it all day. that's why harry potter (spelling? i hate kiddy fantasy tho) sells so well because it is frictional. everybody wants magic.

anyways, still, IW must be punished for sort of removing the core MP part of COD, which was the main focus of me getting the game. I did not really focus on story because all I wanna do is to kill things. the more, the merrier. anything that moves must die.
ps:now we could blow up tanks and helis in BFBC2 which I am looking forward to. laugh.gif
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Relax dude, I was merely contrasting your reaction to Cheesenium's reaction.

Yours is more "Yay, I can shoot civvies with no penalty. I love it!" while his was "OMG, you can shoot civvies, this game is shit"

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 29 2009, 10:47 AM)
"OMG, you can shoot civvies, this game is shit"

I never said that.

The game is shit with all the nonsense that is in the game.

The civillian shooting is just sick.
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 28 2009, 10:58 AM)
MP is already shit,now,even the SP is shit.The campaign looks great in the Infamy trailer and the initial tundra campaign with Soap,but after this "leak",wow,it looks utterly shitty as killing innocent civilian is not fun at all.It's just sick.Gawd knows what bullshit that they have in the game for us.It seems like there is a huge change in direction in MW2,which makes it look so different with previous CoDs.
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 29 2009, 02:39 PM)
Im pissed because of Activision and IW's attitude to the community,and their greed for money behind MW2.Why bother feeding them more money as they gonna treat their community like shit? I believe most people here will still end up buying this overpriced game.

I dont really like the civilian murdering level.Never expect that the part in the reveal trailer is actually a part of the main campaign.

Im not gonna play this at all.No point getting an overpriced game with no MP.Unless reviews proof otherwise.
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Whoa, wait a minute...

So, if the reviews are good, you're going to buy this? What happened to your principles?

The reason why Activision and IW believe that they can shaft the PC community so much IS because they believe that MW 2 will be the greatest game of the year... Buying this game would pretty much prove them right: That PC gamers are weak and will pay anything to get something if its that good.
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 29 2009, 04:47 PM)
How likely that a P2P system is better than a dedicated server?

None,as there are FPS that use P2P system.Their MP failed badly.

The only reasons im gonna buy is,dedicated servers  is in MW2 or there are proof(ie: reviews) that IWNet indeed is a better replacement for dedicated servers.Other than that,hell no.

Seriously,do i need to explain every single thing i said? Or you just love to pick on people.
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But what about the increased price and removal of mod tools?



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